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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Chris22 on November 19, 2018, 10:29:02 PM
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Horford shot 42% last year. This year 30%.
Brown shot 39% last year. This year 27%.
Rozier shot 38% last year. This year 33%.
Tatum shot 43% last year. This year 39%.
Smart shot 30% last year. This year 25%.
Hayward has gone from 39% his last year in Utah to 29%.
How do we fix this?
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
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Bench Hayward and start Baynes to give them the shots they need.
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Start Baynes and drive to the hoop. Sounds good.
I would add go backdoor from the corner.
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-I think Horford's will turn around.
-Brown I think shot better than he really is last season and his true % is probably somewhere in the middle around 35%.
-Rozier and Tatum I also thought shot a bit better last year than their true %.
-Smart's difference is insignificant.
-Hayward just has to get comfortable which will take time.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
It's not just that though. We're missing open looks. We lead the league in open looks missed, be it from 2 or 3. Here are the stats per player:
PLAYER TEAM GP FREQ FGM FGA FG% EFG% 2FGFREQ 2FGM 2FGA 2FG% 3FGFREQ 3PM 3PA 3P%
Marcus Morris BOS 15 39.3% 1.9 3.9 47.5 61.9 17.3% 0.7 1.7 42.3 22.0% 1.1 2.2 51.5
Brad Wanamaker BOS 4 50.0% 0.5 1.3 40.0 50.0 30.0% 0.3 0.8 33.3 20.0% 0.3 0.5 50.0
Kyrie Irving BOS 15 36.7% 2.9 6.1 47.8 57.1 19.1% 1.8 3.2 56.3 17.5% 1.1 2.9 38.6
Jayson Tatum BOS 16 36.8% 1.8 4.8 36.4 46.1 18.2% 0.8 2.4 34.2 18.7% 0.9 2.4 38.5
Terry Rozier BOS 16 35.3% 1.1 2.9 36.2 44.7 18.0% 0.6 1.5 37.5 17.3% 0.5 1.4 34.8
Al Horford BOS 16 20.9% 0.8 2.1 36.4 39.4 17.1% 0.6 1.7 37.0 3.8% 0.1 0.4 33.3
Guer. Yabusele BOS 9 23.1% 0.1 0.3 33.3 50.0 0.0% 0.0 0.0 - 23.1% 0.1 0.3 33.3
Jaylen Brown BOS 15 27.2% 1.1 3.1 36.2 46.8 9.2% 0.5 1.1 43.8 17.9% 0.7 2.1 32.3
Gordon Hayward BOS 15 32.8% 0.9 2.9 31.8 35.2 20.9% 0.7 1.9 39.3 11.9% 0.2 1.1 18.8
Marcus Smart BOS 16 39.5% 0.5 1.9 26.7 31.7 11.8% 0.3 0.6 55.6 27.6% 0.2 1.3 14.3
Aron Baynes BOS 13 12.1% 0.2 0.5 42.9 42.9 10.3% 0.2 0.5 50.0 1.7% 0.0 0.1 0.0
Semi Ojeleye BOS 11 15.0% 0.1 0.3 33.3 33.3 5.0% 0.1 0.1 100 10.0% 0.0 0.2 0.0
Daniel Theis BOS 8 17.9% 0.3 0.6 40.0 40.0 17.9% 0.3 0.6 40.0 0.0% 0.0 0.0 -
We have 3 starters (Horford, Brown, Hayward) and 3 rotation players (Rozier, Smart, Baynes) who are all averaging below 35% on open threes where the closest defender was from 4-6 feet. Gordon and Smart are below 20% :o
Then we have 4 players (Tatum, Rozier, Brown, Hayward) shooting below 40% on open 2s from 4-6 feet.
It's a mystery why they're missing so many open looks I'm sure it's all mental. They didn't all become Markelle Fultz's overnight.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
It's not just that though. We're missing open looks. We lead the league in open looks missed, be it from 2 or 3. Here are the stats per player:
PLAYER TEAM GP FREQ FGM FGA FG% EFG% 2FGFREQ 2FGM 2FGA 2FG% 3FGFREQ 3PM 3PA 3P%
Marcus Morris BOS 15 39.3% 1.9 3.9 47.5 61.9 17.3% 0.7 1.7 42.3 22.0% 1.1 2.2 51.5
Brad Wanamaker BOS 4 50.0% 0.5 1.3 40.0 50.0 30.0% 0.3 0.8 33.3 20.0% 0.3 0.5 50.0
Kyrie Irving BOS 15 36.7% 2.9 6.1 47.8 57.1 19.1% 1.8 3.2 56.3 17.5% 1.1 2.9 38.6
Jayson Tatum BOS 16 36.8% 1.8 4.8 36.4 46.1 18.2% 0.8 2.4 34.2 18.7% 0.9 2.4 38.5
Terry Rozier BOS 16 35.3% 1.1 2.9 36.2 44.7 18.0% 0.6 1.5 37.5 17.3% 0.5 1.4 34.8
Al Horford BOS 16 20.9% 0.8 2.1 36.4 39.4 17.1% 0.6 1.7 37.0 3.8% 0.1 0.4 33.3
Guer. Yabusele BOS 9 23.1% 0.1 0.3 33.3 50.0 0.0% 0.0 0.0 - 23.1% 0.1 0.3 33.3
Jaylen Brown BOS 15 27.2% 1.1 3.1 36.2 46.8 9.2% 0.5 1.1 43.8 17.9% 0.7 2.1 32.3
Gordon Hayward BOS 15 32.8% 0.9 2.9 31.8 35.2 20.9% 0.7 1.9 39.3 11.9% 0.2 1.1 18.8
Marcus Smart BOS 16 39.5% 0.5 1.9 26.7 31.7 11.8% 0.3 0.6 55.6 27.6% 0.2 1.3 14.3
Aron Baynes BOS 13 12.1% 0.2 0.5 42.9 42.9 10.3% 0.2 0.5 50.0 1.7% 0.0 0.1 0.0
Semi Ojeleye BOS 11 15.0% 0.1 0.3 33.3 33.3 5.0% 0.1 0.1 100 10.0% 0.0 0.2 0.0
Daniel Theis BOS 8 17.9% 0.3 0.6 40.0 40.0 17.9% 0.3 0.6 40.0 0.0% 0.0 0.0 -
We have 3 starters (Horford, Brown, Hayward) and 3 rotation players (Rozier, Smart, Baynes) who are all averaging below 35% on open threes where the closest defender was from 4-6 feet. Gordon and Smart are below 20% :o
Then we have 4 players (Tatum, Rozier, Brown, Hayward) shooting below 40% on open 2s from 4-6 feet.
It's a mystery why they're missing so many open looks I'm sure it's all mental. They didn't all become Markelle Fultz's overnight.
TP for going deep with this.
And yes, it is a mystery.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
I see sort of the opposite problem. When guys drive and kick, we have so few guys willing to step into and take the three. I’ve seen way too many possessions where we drive and drive, drive and kick, and drive and kick multiple times.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
I see sort of the opposite problem. When guys drive and kick, we have so few guys willing to step into and take the three. I’ve seen way too many possessions where we drive and drive, drive and kick, and drive and kick multiple times.
Yeah, I think this is a problem. Guys aren't shooting or playing with confidence overall. They aren't totally sure of their roles yet. It's taking much longer than expected. Hayward coming off the bench will help a lot. We looked a lot better for most of the game last night regardless of the result. It's a long season with plenty of time to figure it out. It's been frustrating though.
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Horford shot 42% last year. This year 30%.
Brown shot 39% last year. This year 27%.
Rozier shot 38% last year. This year 33%.
Tatum shot 43% last year. This year 39%.
Smart shot 30% last year. This year 25%.
Hayward has gone from 39% his last year in Utah to 29%.
How do we fix this?
Go back to practicing in Waltham.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
It's not just that though. We're missing open looks. We lead the league in open looks missed, be it from 2 or 3. Here are the stats per player:
PLAYER TEAM GP FREQ FGM FGA FG% EFG% 2FGFREQ 2FGM 2FGA 2FG% 3FGFREQ 3PM 3PA 3P%
Marcus Morris BOS 15 39.3% 1.9 3.9 47.5 61.9 17.3% 0.7 1.7 42.3 22.0% 1.1 2.2 51.5
Brad Wanamaker BOS 4 50.0% 0.5 1.3 40.0 50.0 30.0% 0.3 0.8 33.3 20.0% 0.3 0.5 50.0
Kyrie Irving BOS 15 36.7% 2.9 6.1 47.8 57.1 19.1% 1.8 3.2 56.3 17.5% 1.1 2.9 38.6
Jayson Tatum BOS 16 36.8% 1.8 4.8 36.4 46.1 18.2% 0.8 2.4 34.2 18.7% 0.9 2.4 38.5
Terry Rozier BOS 16 35.3% 1.1 2.9 36.2 44.7 18.0% 0.6 1.5 37.5 17.3% 0.5 1.4 34.8
Al Horford BOS 16 20.9% 0.8 2.1 36.4 39.4 17.1% 0.6 1.7 37.0 3.8% 0.1 0.4 33.3
Guer. Yabusele BOS 9 23.1% 0.1 0.3 33.3 50.0 0.0% 0.0 0.0 - 23.1% 0.1 0.3 33.3
Jaylen Brown BOS 15 27.2% 1.1 3.1 36.2 46.8 9.2% 0.5 1.1 43.8 17.9% 0.7 2.1 32.3
Gordon Hayward BOS 15 32.8% 0.9 2.9 31.8 35.2 20.9% 0.7 1.9 39.3 11.9% 0.2 1.1 18.8
Marcus Smart BOS 16 39.5% 0.5 1.9 26.7 31.7 11.8% 0.3 0.6 55.6 27.6% 0.2 1.3 14.3
Aron Baynes BOS 13 12.1% 0.2 0.5 42.9 42.9 10.3% 0.2 0.5 50.0 1.7% 0.0 0.1 0.0
Semi Ojeleye BOS 11 15.0% 0.1 0.3 33.3 33.3 5.0% 0.1 0.1 100 10.0% 0.0 0.2 0.0
Daniel Theis BOS 8 17.9% 0.3 0.6 40.0 40.0 17.9% 0.3 0.6 40.0 0.0% 0.0 0.0 -
We have 3 starters (Horford, Brown, Hayward) and 3 rotation players (Rozier, Smart, Baynes) who are all averaging below 35% on open threes where the closest defender was from 4-6 feet. Gordon and Smart are below 20% :o
Then we have 4 players (Tatum, Rozier, Brown, Hayward) shooting below 40% on open 2s from 4-6 feet.
It's a mystery why they're missing so many open looks I'm sure it's all mental. They didn't all become Markelle Fultz's overnight.
When I play basketball and hesitate, I tend to shoot (even more) poorly. Probably the same thing with the team - hesitating because they don't know whether they want to shoot or pass, and aren't expecting the ball because they're still a very new team.
But as a trash basketball player who plays with other desk jockeys, I have very little confidence in my basketball ability and this might not really apply to literally one of the top 3 teams in the NBA in terms of talent.
The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
At a certain point, defenses collapse if you don't shoot. I think Stevens wants to make sure people are making a habit of taking open looks, rather than driving and ruining spacing.
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Horford shot 42% last year. This year 30%.
Brown shot 39% last year. This year 27%.
Rozier shot 38% last year. This year 33%.
Tatum shot 43% last year. This year 39%.
Smart shot 30% last year. This year 25%.
Hayward has gone from 39% his last year in Utah to 29%.
How do we fix this?
Go back to practicing in Waltham.
Lol
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At this point the three point shooting issues can be attributed to Horford, Jaylen, and Hayward. I expect Horford to settle in at 35%, which is in line with 2016.. Over 40% might be a bit much to expect from Al on a yearly basis.
The Jaylen and Hayward dynamic is concerning to say the least. If one of them can find their groove then this team should begin to flourish. The 19 minutes for Jaylen was very odd last night, especially given that he was playing with great confidence. I'm starting to wonder if Brad played him less due to effort/focus issues in prior games? Assuming there's no issue with Jaylen's attitude, I think it might be best for Gordon's minutes to scale back to the low 20's. There will be plenty of opportunity to play him in crunch time towards the end of the season. Right now I'd like to see last years group find their mojo.
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Horford shot 42% last year. This year 30%.
Brown shot 39% last year. This year 27%.
Rozier shot 38% last year. This year 33%.
Tatum shot 43% last year. This year 39%.
Smart shot 30% last year. This year 25%.
Hayward has gone from 39% his last year in Utah to 29%.
How do we fix this?
Not that it changes the main point, but Smart is up to 30.2% after last night's binge. The stats are still very malleable.
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It's down because last year we were moving the ball with ease and getting open looks, constantly catching defenses on their heels.
This year everyone is shooting contested three's and playing hero ball.
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It's down because last year we were moving the ball with ease and getting open looks, constantly catching defenses on their heels.
This year everyone is shooting contested three's and playing hero ball.
At times this has been the case but the truth is that they have missed an unreal amount of open looks off of good ball movement, particularly early in games. They have also been terrible at scoring inside the point. Some of this is trending in the right direction. It's just very difficult to find any positives after the recent performance in Utah and blown lead from last night.
Last night really does feel like an improvement, which I realize seems kind of lame given the expectations of this team. I have no doubt that our record would be much better if they had played with last nights approach to start the season.
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Rozier, Tatum, and Smart are not all much different then career averages (for Tatum, last season is his career), yes down from last season but statistically within the norm. Horford had a ridiculous start to the year last year so he will never match that. He is about where you would expect him to be in my mind. We don't need him taking 3s anyway. If wide open, at the end of the shot clock, sure, but he should be the 5th option to take a 3.
Brown is definitely in a funk or something. I think he is hurt. If that is the case, they should just rest him or play him off the bench or something to flip his script. I still believe in him. I don't buy that last season is some kind of a fluke.
Hayward is a big question. It is not surprising that after a year off and a major injury rehabilitation, that his touch is off some. I think he is looked good. He is quicker than I realized. I always thought of him as a 3 but I think he may be better as a 2. I know, both are wings but there is a little difference. He came off the bench last night. Little surprised it wasn't Brown who came off the bench. Hayward did not have a great game. I think Brown off the bench may be better at this point (things can change).
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Our problem is we can't make open 3s, as long as it continues nothing will fix anything
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Our problem is we can't make open 3s, as long as it continues nothing will fix anything
it really is just this simple. they're getting plenty of open looks but the entire team has been bricking open shots. if only 1 or 2 of our primary scorers were having an off night hitting open shots instead of 1 or 2 not having an off night, we'd only have 2-3 losses this year.
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It's tempting to put it down to bad luck, but the game has changed this year: pace and off rebounds 14 secs. Brad just needs to make adjustments. I think he'll figure it out.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
I see sort of the opposite problem. When guys drive and kick, we have so few guys willing to step into and take the three. I’ve seen way too many possessions where we drive and drive, drive and kick, and drive and kick multiple times.
Much of the time the drives don't go deep enough into the defense either. I saw the same problem 2 or 3 years ago to start the year and then they fixed it. Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder began getting a step or two closer to the basket and either forced fouls or kicked it back out. These one or two step drives don't drag the defense enough to create proper space.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
actually, the celtics are among the league leaders in open 3 point shots. they are simply missing them.
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I think having Kyrie and Hayward starting makes us less athletic.
I want to see Robert Williams play. We need what he has.
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What I think is interesting is that they are both missing open shots at a high rate and taking some bad shots. One should improve on its own, the other needs work. I'm all for improvement in both areas.
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Horford shot 42% last year. This year 30%.
Brown shot 39% last year. This year 27%.
Rozier shot 38% last year. This year 33%.
Tatum shot 43% last year. This year 39%.
Smart shot 30% last year. This year 25%.
Hayward has gone from 39% his last year in Utah to 29%.
It really boils down to Horford, Brown, and Hayward.
Horford looks like an old man.
Brown looks like he is lost, except for the last few games when he has finally started driving to the basket.
And Hayward is just not the same player he was before the injury.
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Horford I think is just in a slump. He'll improve.
Hayward's poor shooting is no mystery.
Rozier and Brown, I think, are suffering the most from a major change in the scope of their offensive roles this year compared to the playoffs. I'm not certain they'll get better but we have to hope they will.
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Horford I think is just in a slump. He'll improve.
Hayward's poor shooting is no mystery.
Rozier and Brown, I think, are suffering the most from a major change in the scope of their offensive roles this year compared to the playoffs. I'm not certain they'll get better but we have to hope they will.
It's not too often that players have breakout seasons and improve a lot only to be rewarded by being told they will be playing less next season and have to achieve the same impact with less touches. Must be challenging.
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Horford I think is just in a slump. He'll improve.
Hayward's poor shooting is no mystery.
Rozier and Brown, I think, are suffering the most from a major change in the scope of their offensive roles this year compared to the playoffs. I'm not certain they'll get better but we have to hope they will.
It's not too often that players have breakout seasons and improve a lot only to be rewarded by being told they will be playing less next season and have to achieve the same impact with less touches. Must be challenging.
Is either going to play much less?
If anything, Rozier is given the keys to the offense on the second team (with offensively challenged Smart, Theis, and up until yesterday, Baynes) against mostly inferior competition. He’s done nothing with that responsibility. If he can’t check his ego on going back to deserve because a better player returned, he shouldn’t be on this team, and I think it’s getting to that point honestly.
Brown should get relatively the same minutes, and sure his touches may take a dip, but he should adapt. He’s 22, he’s not some old vet. Become the guy who guards the opposing teams best player. Work on his spot-up shooting and move without the ball. No, he’s not as great a shooter as Klay, but he can definitely mold his game like his, while being a better driver.
Everyone has to make sacrifices, and I truly hope Charles Barkley of all people wasn’t right when he said there is too much talent here.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
actually, the celtics are among the league leaders in open 3 point shots. they are simply missing them.
because most of the team isn't really all that good at shooting 3 pointers. Last year was just a flukey season. Now they are better then they've shown thus far, but if you put this season and last season together, the team is just regressing to the mean.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
actually, the celtics are among the league leaders in open 3 point shots. they are simply missing them.
because most of the team isn't really all that good at shooting 3 pointers. Last year was just a flukey season. Now they are better then they've shown thus far, but if you put this season and last season together, the team is just regressing to the mean.
Who in particular, out of our guys that take threes, aren't good shooters? Or more specifically, who is shooting as you'd expect them to?
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Brown is lost on offense.
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The big problem as I see it is this. Nobody is driving to the rim. So instead we pass the ball around the perimeter and take a shot without cuasing any panic, movement or reaction from the defense. These threes are easier to defend. I think the guys shooting very low like Brown will shoot better, small sample size is still a thing. The difference between 28% (awful) and 39%(great) is like 7-8 makes right now. But overall as long as we shoot threes off stagnant offense we will shoot less than our talent would indicate we should.
actually, the celtics are among the league leaders in open 3 point shots. they are simply missing them.
because most of the team isn't really all that good at shooting 3 pointers. Last year was just a flukey season. Now they are better then they've shown thus far, but if you put this season and last season together, the team is just regressing to the mean.
Who in particular, out of our guys that take threes, aren't good shooters? Or more specifically, who is shooting as you'd expect them to?
Hayward is obviously shooting poorly, but I expected him to for awhile. Other than him only Horford and Brown are lower than I would expect (but last year for both was better than it should have been). On the other side Morris and Baynes are shooting better than I would expect. Everyone else is about what you should reasonably expect from them i.e. Irving, Tatum, Rozier, and Smart. So 4 guys as expected, 2 guys better than expected, 2 guys worse then expected, and then Hayward who I expected to struggle for awhile.
But you see that is the thing, Irving and maybe Tatum are the only guys on the team that are great shooters (and I don't think either is truly elite in that department). Boston is a team with a bunch of good shooters (and Smart), but it isn't set up to all that well to live and die by the 3 pointer because it isn't a team with a bunch of elite shooters. Boston isn't Golden State with 3 of the best shooters in the league yet it runs its offense like it is.
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But you see that is the thing, Irving and maybe Tatum are the only guys on the team that are great shooters (and I don't think either is truly elite in that department). Boston is a team with a bunch of good shooters (and Smart), but it isn't set up to all that well to live and die by the 3 pointer because it isn't a team with a bunch of elite shooters.
I more or less agree with this. The Celtics should focus on getting to the basket more. They have plenty of guys who should be able to pressure a defense inside.
Hayward being skittish about going into the paint makes sense.
The other guys ... I don't get it.
As you say, if you have a lot of great shooters you can gear your offense around creating three point shots first and foremost and let other shots flow from that.
The Celts don't have that kind of roster. They have a very, very talented roster, but it seems like they ought to make more use of the fact that they have a bunch of guys who should be able to go off the dribble and create space to get inside.
The Celts offense seems like it ought to be geared towards pressuring a defense with movement and attacking speed mismatches, and kick out to open shooters only when the defense sells out to stop the drive.
Now, I don't know if the Celts have a lot of great inside finishers, either. Rozier, Brown, Smart all have issues finishing inside. But your offense is going to struggle hard if you don't at least try to get inside.
At the very least the Celts ought to be able to generate a lot more free throws instead of being one of the worst teams in the league at that.
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The Celtics should spend a lot more time at practice shooting threes.
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I think having Kyrie and Hayward starting makes us less athletic.
I want to see Robert Williams play. We need what he has.
Williams would make it worse because they'd be playing 4 on 5 offensively.
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The Celtics should spend a lot more time at practice shooting threes.
They should spend a lot more time at practice running plays that get guys an open lane to the basket.
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But you see that is the thing, Irving and maybe Tatum are the only guys on the team that are great shooters (and I don't think either is truly elite in that department). Boston is a team with a bunch of good shooters (and Smart), but it isn't set up to all that well to live and die by the 3 pointer because it isn't a team with a bunch of elite shooters.
I more or less agree with this. The Celtics should focus on getting to the basket more. They have plenty of guys who should be able to pressure a defense inside.
Hayward being skittish about going into the paint makes sense.
The other guys ... I don't get it.
As you say, if you have a lot of great shooters you can gear your offense around creating three point shots first and foremost and let other shots flow from that.
The Celts don't have that kind of roster. They have a very, very talented roster, but it seems like they ought to make more use of the fact that they have a bunch of guys who should be able to go off the dribble and create space to get inside.
The Celts offense seems like it ought to be geared towards pressuring a defense with movement and attacking speed mismatches, and kick out to open shooters only when the defense sells out to stop the drive.
Now, I don't know if the Celts have a lot of great inside finishers, either. Rozier, Brown, Smart all have issues finishing inside. But your offense is going to struggle hard if you don't at least try to get inside.
At the very least the Celts ought to be able to generate a lot more free throws instead of being one of the worst teams in the league at that.
I agree that Hayward being skittish in the paint is normal, and he will gradually get over it.
Smart and Kyrie are not at all skittish going to the paint.
Horford however is, and he drives me nuts passing up 2 ft shots to kick the ball out to guys at the 3 pt line who are not even open.
Jaylen should be skittish going to the paint because if he gets fouled he's a terrible free throw shooter.
Rozier should be going to the paint every time, Tatum too. Instead they pull up for mid-range shots or floaters, which is hurting the offense.
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Getting fouled, going to the line, and shooting 1/2 would still be better than a lot of the offensive trips the Celts are getting right now.
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The worst part of the missed 3s, well maybe the second worst thing is the long rebounds that lead to layups on the other end.
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The worst part of the missed 3s, well maybe the second worst thing is the long rebounds that lead to layups on the other end.
On the positive side of things, the Celts are very good at defensive rebounding and actually don't give up very many fast break points per game.