Marcus Morris is 382th in the league in real plus and minus

[kozlodoev]

To be fair Morris is like 4x the player he was a couple months ago.  I didn’t like him either when the thread was started.  Now he looks awesome!

I think he looked fine for most of the season, especially once he got healthy.  For instance, in January he averaged 13 / 6 with a .556 TS%. Since this thread was started in early February, it has always seemed to ignore a bit of reality from my perspective.

But the 13/6 Morris is what he has been over his career so far...

It is. And 13/6 Morris is a really good player to have on your bench or as a part-time 5th starter.  I don’t understand those fans that don’t appreciate him.

All I'm saying is that what we observed in the second half of the season wasn't just returning to his usual level of production, it was a qualitative step up. Given that his long track record of, well, being a 13/6 guy that's "just decent", I'd be a bit wary of expecting the step up is going to last. But who knows, it might.

[Vermont Green]

I don't think Marcus Morris is our problem.  He has not been quite as good as I hoped but it seems his injury is holding him back some.  He has been pretty good in January and February.  I see him settling in as a bench role alongside Smart and Rozier and helping the team down the stretch and in the playoffs.

I don't know or care whether real plus minus is a good stat or not.  Morris is what he is.

I wanted to go back and see what I had said on this topic.  For me, I trust what I see on the court much more than stats.  Stats are part of the picture also of course but only in the context of the actual play.

For most of the season, Morris was less than I expected but I still liked him.  Down the stretch and in the playoffs, he has been better than I expected.  I thought he would be a start but Stevens has found a nice role for him off the bench with him playing to close out the game.

He has assumed a real important veteran presence helping to stabilize an otherwise pretty young team.  He was a great find by Ainge.  We had to trade Bradley to clear space for Hayward.  Under those circumstances, this was a great trade.

[tonydelk]

I don't think Marcus Morris is our problem.  He has not been quite as good as I hoped but it seems his injury is holding him back some.  He has been pretty good in January and February.  I see him settling in as a bench role alongside Smart and Rozier and helping the team down the stretch and in the playoffs.

I don't know or care whether real plus minus is a good stat or not.  Morris is what he is.

I wanted to go back and see what I had said on this topic.  For me, I trust what I see on the court much more than stats.  Stats are part of the picture also of course but only in the context of the actual play.

For most of the season, Morris was less than I expected but I still liked him.  Down the stretch and in the playoffs, he has been better than I expected.  I thought he would be a start but Stevens has found a nice role for him off the bench with him playing to close out the game.

He has assumed a real important veteran presence helping to stabilize an otherwise pretty young team.  He was a great find by Ainge.  We had to trade Bradley to clear space for Hayward.  Under those circumstances, this was a great trade.

Agreed.  I didn't expect this production when the trade happened.  I thought he was a guy for the 2nd unit.  He's a much better scorer then I imagined and he's bailed the C's out and hit tough shots down the stretch.  Good defensive player and I'm happy he's on this team.  He fits the identity and mentality of a hard working next man up player. 

[rondofan1255]

There have been a lot of times he bails us out when the sets don't produce anything.

Yep! Some of the contested shots he has made against MIL have been ridiculous!

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Marcus Morris is better than Carmelo Anthony.

Let that sink in.

Now, before you respond, look at the numbers of each.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Carmelo+Anthony&player_id1_select=Carmelo+Anthony&player_id1=anthoca01&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Marcus+Morris&player_id2_select=Marcus+Morris&y2=2018&player_id2=morrima03&idx=players

Every number per36 is higher other than blocks. He is more efficient. His shooting percentages are better. He is a better rebounder. He has few fouls. He is a better passer.

His offensive rating is better. His defensive rating is better. His free throw rate is better.

Now consider Morris' one-on-one defense against elite forwards like Giannis, Lebron, Simmons, and Durant. Now consider Morris' contract.

Marcus Morris is better than Carmelo Anthony. Marcus Morris is coming off our bench.

[rondofan1255]

Hope he plays well vs. LeBron

[gouki88]

Every time this thread pops up I get annoyed at “382th”

[rondofan1255]

Every time this thread pops up I get annoyed at “382th”

Why?

[Monkhouse]

Marcus Morris is better than Carmelo Anthony.

Let that sink in.

Now, before you respond, look at the numbers of each.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Carmelo+Anthony&player_id1_select=Carmelo+Anthony&player_id1=anthoca01&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Marcus+Morris&player_id2_select=Marcus+Morris&y2=2018&player_id2=morrima03&idx=players

Every number per36 is higher other than blocks. He is more efficient. His shooting percentages are better. He is a better rebounder. He has few fouls. He is a better passer.

His offensive rating is better. His defensive rating is better. His free throw rate is better.

Now consider Morris' one-on-one defense against elite forwards like Giannis, Lebron, Simmons, and Durant. Now consider Morris' contract.

Marcus Morris is better than Carmelo Anthony. Marcus Morris is coming off our bench.

Huge supporter of Carmelo, but agree not to mention he's getting paid 28 mil. Yikes. OKC really shot themselves in the foot.

[Boris Badenov]

Every time this thread pops up I get annoyed at “382th”

Me too. But in fairness to the OP, the number was different at the beginning of the thread, so it was "336th."

Now, why the OP saw fit to change the number without changing the ordinal indicator is its own puzzle.

(Yes, I looked up the correct term, and it is "ordinal indicator.")

[moiso]

Morris seemed horrible in the Sixers series.  He was an inaccurate gunner.

[rondofan1255]

Marcus Morris is better than Carmelo Anthony.

Let that sink in.

Now, before you respond, look at the numbers of each.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Carmelo+Anthony&player_id1_select=Carmelo+Anthony&player_id1=anthoca01&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Marcus+Morris&player_id2_select=Marcus+Morris&y2=2018&player_id2=morrima03&idx=players

Every number per36 is higher other than blocks. He is more efficient. His shooting percentages are better. He is a better rebounder. He has few fouls. He is a better passer.

His offensive rating is better. His defensive rating is better. His free throw rate is better.

Now consider Morris' one-on-one defense against elite forwards like Giannis, Lebron, Simmons, and Durant. Now consider Morris' contract.

Marcus Morris is better than Carmelo Anthony. Marcus Morris is coming off our bench.

Huge supporter of Carmelo, but agree not to mention he's getting paid 28 mil. Yikes. OKC really shot themselves in the foot.

Yikes @ 28 M!!

[Big333223]

Every time this thread pops up I get annoyed at “382th”

Me too. But in fairness to the OP, the number was different at the beginning of the thread, so it was "336th."

Now, why the OP saw fit to change the number without changing the ordinal indicator is its own puzzle.

(Yes, I looked up the correct term, and it is "ordinal indicator.")

TP for the research.

[rondofan1255]

OK Marcus

[knuckleballer]

His defense on Lebron more than makes up for all his bad shots all season.