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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: ssspence on January 10, 2013, 05:46:27 PM
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Interested what folks think of this trade.
BOS trades: Bass, Green
PHX trades: Gortat, Beasley, Tucker
The Cs get the best and worst players in the deal... they basically agree to take Beasley off the Suns' hands in order to get Gortat, and a nice young asset in PJ Tucker.
To be clear, I don't see Beasley playing very much. He plays short minutes on certain nights behind PP, and then you throw some back-up SF minutes to Lee, and sign a CDR or Sam Young to fill in the rest. None of them is going to play much in the playoffs -- this is about getting Gortat.
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Im over the gortat trades. We dont need him
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At this point I really don't see Danny Ainge trading Bradley Green or Sully to bring in gortat. I think the way to acquire him is via a three team trade.
Memphis gets Lee, Dudley, and pick from Phx.
Phoenix gets Gay, Bass, Melo, and pick from Bos.
Boston gets Gortat and Beasley
Memphis gets a SG AND a SF that can spread the floor and play D.
Phoenix basically swaps the Bass contract for Beasley and gets a prospect and pick. They move a guy who doesn't want to be there. They also get their franchise guy.
Boston gets a talented center and also takes back Beasley (same contract as Bass) who has talent and might just blossom under Rivers and from being in a veteran locker room for the first time.
Anyways with the emergence of Sully and addition of Gortat (Kg starts at PF now) Bass would be seeing reduced minutes. So its basically the same contract sitting on the bench, but its just named Beasley instead of Bass.
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PHX probably says no. At a minimum, I think they want Fab Melo and a 2014 first round pick added, and that probably wouldn't be enough.
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I think Phx says no. Bass is nothing of value to them and Green is just meh.
They'd probably want a pick or Melo thrown in there too.
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At this point I really don't see Danny Ainge trading Bradley Green or Sully to bring in gortat. I think the way to acquire him is via a three team trade.
Memphis gets Lee, Dudley, and pick from Phx.
Phoenix gets Gay, Bass, Melo, and pick from Bos.
Boston gets Gortat and Beasley
Memphis gets a SG AND a SF that can spread the floor and play D.
Phoenix basically swaps the Bass contract for Beasley and gets a prospect and pick. They move a guy who doesn't want to be there. They also get their franchise guy.
Boston gets a talented center and also takes back Beasley (same contract as Bass) who has talent and might just blossom under Rivers and from being in a veteran locker room for the first time.
Anyways with the emergence of Sully and addition of Gortat (Kg starts at PF now) Bass would be seeing reduced minutes. So its basically the same contract sitting on the bench, but its just named Beasley instead of Bass.
Why would Memphis be interested in that deal? They've made it clear they're not going to move Gay purely as a salary dump, they want talent back if he's getting traded.
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Nah. Green just ate Beasley for lunch. Beasley doesn't offer much. At least Green play some decent defense.
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Don't think we really need gortat anymore
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beasley looks like he is heading out of the league soon...he can't get minutes for phoenix and they suck
green's upside is pretty high, at the level he's playing now he's quite good
bass is first pf off the bench on most playoff caliber teams and starters on all other teams
gortat i'd like but if the price isn't right - pass
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The y can not give Cs both Gotart + Beasley
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beasley looks like he is heading out of the league soon...he can't get minutes for phoenix and they suck
green's upside is pretty high, at the level he's playing now he's quite good
bass is first pf off the bench on most playoff caliber teams and starters on all other teams
gortat i'd like but if the price isn't right - pass
I don't know about Green's upside being high. I think at this point he is what he is.
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beasley looks like he is heading out of the league soon...he can't get minutes for phoenix and they suck
green's upside is pretty high, at the level he's playing now he's quite good
bass is first pf off the bench on most playoff caliber teams and starters on all other teams
gortat i'd like but if the price isn't right - pass
I don't know about Green's upside being high. I think at this point he is what he is.
in brutal terms i'd say green is a starter on most teams and a sub on elite teams (currently) his upside is a sf force in the league, 2nd tier to lebron, carmelo but better than iggy
forgot to vote NO
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No thanks
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
DO YOU ALL HAVE AN ITCH TO TRADE PEOPLE? SERIOUSLY, GREEN IS COMING BACK TO FORM, BASS IS RETURNING TO HIS PREVIOUS WAYS, THEN WHY DO YOU WANT TO TRADE THEM?
EVERY GAME, WE WIN OR LOSE, THESE GARBAGE TRASH THREADS POP UP SAYING WE SHOULD THIS PERSON OR THAT. SERIOUSLY. DO YOU NOT HAVING ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
DO YOU ALL HAVE AN ITCH TO TRADE PEOPLE? SERIOUSLY, GREEN IS COMING BACK TO FORM, BASS IS RETURNING TO HIS PREVIOUS WAYS, THEN WHY DO YOU WANT TO TRADE THEM?
EVERY GAME, WE WIN OR LOSE, THESE GARBAGE TRASH THREADS POP UP SAYING WE SHOULD THIS PERSON OR THAT. SERIOUSLY. DO YOU NOT HAVING ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?
Shut...up. This is a thread IN THE TRADES AND RUMORS FORUM. Please, just shut up.
in brutal terms i'd say green is a starter on most teams and a sub on elite teams (currently) his upside is a sf force in the league, 2nd tier to lebron, carmelo but better than iggy
forgot to vote NO
Not sure I think Green can be as good as Iggy is. He *might* be as good as him in the same minutes/role but he's not better from all I've seen. Jeff excels in two areas over Iggy. He's taller and he's younger. Unfortunately that height hasn't translated into rebounding and that youth hasn't staved off injury.
If you put Green in a Sun's uniform he'd be a top-10 SF in the NBA. No question. The kid has talent plastered on his forehead. He only plays 23 mpg on our team and those minutes are broken up into 4-6 minutes runs. He's just not used to that kind of thing because he's been a starter for the majority of his career.
I will say this though, his defense on Carmello in the NY game was special. I was cheering for him because that is 100% what the Celtics need from him. Our 3rd string guard can put up points, Green is really the best option for us in guarding James/Melo/Durant. Pierce isn't quick enough and doesn't play enough minutes. Green is the whole ball game guys.
I vote no too. I think Green will be a very good player for us sooner rather than later.
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Be a trade proposal to think about
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Beasley is Bizarro Green. I really don't want him in Boston.
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
DO YOU ALL HAVE AN ITCH TO TRADE PEOPLE? SERIOUSLY, GREEN IS COMING BACK TO FORM, BASS IS RETURNING TO HIS PREVIOUS WAYS, THEN WHY DO YOU WANT TO TRADE THEM?
EVERY GAME, WE WIN OR LOSE, THESE GARBAGE TRASH THREADS POP UP SAYING WE SHOULD THIS PERSON OR THAT. SERIOUSLY. DO YOU NOT HAVING ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?
Shut...up. This is a thread IN THE TRADES AND RUMORS FORUM. Please, just shut up.
in brutal terms i'd say green is a starter on most teams and a sub on elite teams (currently) his upside is a sf force in the league, 2nd tier to lebron, carmelo but better than iggy
forgot to vote NO
Not sure I think Green can be as good as Iggy is. He *might* be as good as him in the same minutes/role but he's not better from all I've seen. Jeff excels in two areas over Iggy. He's taller and he's younger. Unfortunately that height hasn't translated into rebounding and that youth hasn't staved off injury.
If you put Green in a Sun's uniform he'd be a top-10 SF in the NBA. No question. The kid has talent plastered on his forehead. He only plays 23 mpg on our team and those minutes are broken up into 4-6 minutes runs. He's just not used to that kind of thing because he's been a starter for the majority of his career.
I will say this though, his defense on Carmello in the NY game was special. I was cheering for him because that is 100% what the Celtics need from him. Our 3rd string guard can put up points, Green is really the best option for us in guarding James/Melo/Durant. Pierce isn't quick enough and doesn't play enough minutes. Green is the whole ball game guys.
I vote no too. I think Green will be a very good player for us sooner rather than later.
No, how about you shutup. This is a forum for trades and a place to post them when necessary. There is no necessity to have 50 trade threads a day when we are riding a 4 games winning streak and everything is finally coming together.
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
DO YOU ALL HAVE AN ITCH TO TRADE PEOPLE? SERIOUSLY, GREEN IS COMING BACK TO FORM, BASS IS RETURNING TO HIS PREVIOUS WAYS, THEN WHY DO YOU WANT TO TRADE THEM?
EVERY GAME, WE WIN OR LOSE, THESE GARBAGE TRASH THREADS POP UP SAYING WE SHOULD THIS PERSON OR THAT. SERIOUSLY. DO YOU NOT HAVING ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?
Shut...up. This is a thread IN THE TRADES AND RUMORS FORUM. Please, just shut up.
in brutal terms i'd say green is a starter on most teams and a sub on elite teams (currently) his upside is a sf force in the league, 2nd tier to lebron, carmelo but better than iggy
forgot to vote NO
Not sure I think Green can be as good as Iggy is. He *might* be as good as him in the same minutes/role but he's not better from all I've seen. Jeff excels in two areas over Iggy. He's taller and he's younger. Unfortunately that height hasn't translated into rebounding and that youth hasn't staved off injury.
If you put Green in a Sun's uniform he'd be a top-10 SF in the NBA. No question. The kid has talent plastered on his forehead. He only plays 23 mpg on our team and those minutes are broken up into 4-6 minutes runs. He's just not used to that kind of thing because he's been a starter for the majority of his career.
I will say this though, his defense on Carmello in the NY game was special. I was cheering for him because that is 100% what the Celtics need from him. Our 3rd string guard can put up points, Green is really the best option for us in guarding James/Melo/Durant. Pierce isn't quick enough and doesn't play enough minutes. Green is the whole ball game guys.
I vote no too. I think Green will be a very good player for us sooner rather than later.
No, how about you shutup. This is a forum for trades and a place to post them when necessary. There is no necessity to have 50 trade threads a day when we are riding a 4 games winning streak and everything is finally coming together.
warning on personal attacks...please No more
and no caps to keep this civil
thank you ALL!
p.s. I dont know Phx or Cs
Me as in Edgar probably says No
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I'll say no
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Don't want Beasley anywhere near the team.
Old tax rules, sure, why not take on his salary. You could send him away from the team or cut him.
New tax rules are too expensive/prohibitive to do so. LA/NY might be the only teams capable of affording that. They still probably balk.
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No from me. I don't really like any of the players (mostly because of their body language)
Jeff Green is turning around (fingers crossed) :)
Bass is a solid All-round true pf
I predict bass is going to Denver Nuggets (big man deep, but lacks a true pf with range)
And Jeff Green stays
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I think a straight swap of Green for Gortat might make some sense. It's always hard to tell with Jeff Green given his uncertain trade value but I think it's a "maybe" type scenario.
I see no reason to enlarge the trade. The Bass and Beasley part. It makes it needlessly complicated. True, Beasley has no value to Phoenix and they want rid of him but replacing him with Bass just repeats the problem since they already have Scola + M.Morris there at PF. Swapping those two doesn't fix anything. You'd need to trade Bass to a third team and get an expiring contract in return. Then enlarging the trade to include Beasley has good value for Phoenix.
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I think a straight swap of Green for Gortat might make some sense. It's always hard to tell with Jeff Green given his uncertain trade value but I think it's a "maybe" type scenario.
I see no reason to enlarge the trade. The Bass and Beasley part. It makes it needlessly complicated. True, Beasley has no value to Phoenix and they want rid of him but replacing him with Bass just repeats the problem since they already have Scola + M.Morris there at PF. Swapping those two doesn't fix anything. You'd need to trade Bass to a third team and get an expiring contract in return. Then enlarging the trade to include Beasley has good value for Phoenix.
Gortat,Beasley,Tucker to Boston
Bass to Atlanta
Green,Korver to Phoenix
I'm on board with this, Greens value might have risen over the last few games so hopefully we could sucker Phoenix into biting?
Green is trick or treating! Don't be fooled by his Sudden improved play, Beasley contract is actually better than Greens.
Better yet,we keep Melo,Sully and Bradley.
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Easy no. I don't think some people understand how much of a cancer Michael Beasley is.
Anything including that dude is an easy no for me.
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At this point I really don't see Danny Ainge trading Bradley Green or Sully to bring in gortat. I think the way to acquire him is via a three team trade.
Memphis gets Lee, Dudley, and pick from Phx.
Phoenix gets Gay, Bass, Melo, and pick from Bos.
Boston gets Gortat and Beasley
Memphis gets a SG AND a SF that can spread the floor and play D.
Phoenix basically swaps the Bass contract for Beasley and gets a prospect and pick. They move a guy who doesn't want to be there. They also get their franchise guy.
Boston gets a talented center and also takes back Beasley (same contract as Bass) who has talent and might just blossom under Rivers and from being in a veteran locker room for the first time.
Anyways with the emergence of Sully and addition of Gortat (Kg starts at PF now) Bass would be seeing reduced minutes. So its basically the same contract sitting on the bench, but its just named Beasley instead of Bass.
Why would Memphis be interested in that deal? They've made it clear they're not going to move Gay purely as a salary dump, they want talent back if he's getting traded.
I don't think getting Dudley and Lee back would qualify as a pure salary dump. There are valid reasons for moving Gay on performance-related and team-synergistic reasons. Memphis' strength is their defense and big men; I think they would be better off if Gay didn't lead their team in shots and usage rate and they played through their bigs.
Gay is not some stud player. I don't see one area where he's above-average in. His scoring is inefficient, he averages 2.6 assists which is below-average for a team's no.1 perimeter option and he's not much of a shooter. Acquiring Dudley not only would allow Memphis to play through their big men but it would put a better complementary fit around them than Gay. Since Lee has started to play better, he would help them off the bench. Further, he would give Memphis the option during games Tony is struggling with his offense to replace him with a good defender who is a better shooter.
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Beasley is the sticking point on this one. he's bounced around the league for a reason. I'd like to have Gortat but I think Green and Bass together is a little high of a price. Tucker isn't enough of an incentive to also take on the Beasley headache.
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Beasley is the sticking point on this one. he's bounced around the league for a reason. I'd like to have Gortat but I think Green and Bass together is a little high of a price. Tucker isn't enough of an incentive to also take on the Beasley headache.
I can't believe how terrible Beasley has become and how much he has fallen.
The best part of the Jeff Green dunk was watching Beasley get way down in a Bradley like stance, and Green just making one move to go by him, and Beasley just completely giving up on trying to defend him going to the lane.
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I think a straight swap of Green for Gortat might make some sense. It's always hard to tell with Jeff Green given his uncertain trade value but I think it's a "maybe" type scenario.
I see no reason to enlarge the trade. The Bass and Beasley part. It makes it needlessly complicated. True, Beasley has no value to Phoenix and they want rid of him but replacing him with Bass just repeats the problem since they already have Scola + M.Morris there at PF. Swapping those two doesn't fix anything. You'd need to trade Bass to a third team and get an expiring contract in return. Then enlarging the trade to include Beasley has good value for Phoenix.
I think this is at the heart of the matter. I can't see Phoenix doing that deal straight up right now. If Green can do more than net a few highlight dunks every 4th or 5th game -- meaning, score between 15-20 points consistently for a few weeks -- then maybe.
This was the reason to take Beasley. It's a way to get a player we want without trading guys we want to keep like Sully, Bradley, Lee.
But, if you could trade Green for Gortat straight up, then you'd obviously not take Beasley for Bass.
As for the "Beasley is a cancer" talk, I don't really think it's relevant. This is a win now trade where Beasley is the 11th or 12th guy on the roster. The Cs aren't leaning on him, so his influence is really not there. I don't worry about young guys on this team being taken in by his laziness... Bradley, Sully -- these guys can take care of themselves.
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Don't think we really need gortat anymore
The Celtics will need to trade for a big player if they hope to have any chance of competing for a championship. A 4-game winning streak in January doesn't change that.
And Danny Ainge will be making that trade -- all that remains to find out is how good of a player we get, and who we give up in the process.
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Don't think we really need gortat anymore
The Celtics will need to trade for a big player if they hope to have any chance of competing for a championship. A 4-game winning streak in January doesn't change that.
And Danny Ainge will be making that trade -- all that remains to find out is how good of a player we get, and who we give up in the process.
Its too bad because the only player I really want to give up at this point is Bass and he wont get us much in return at this point.
I like Lee playing together with Bradley in the back court.
Bradley and Sully are too good at a young age to give up on.
Rondo. End of discussion.
KG and Pierce arent going anywhere.
And I do like Jeff Green in his role if he can continue to have decent games.
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Don't think we really need gortat anymore
The Celtics will need to trade for a big player if they hope to have any chance of competing for a championship. A 4-game winning streak in January doesn't change that.
And Danny Ainge will be making that trade -- all that remains to find out is how good of a player we get, and who we give up in the process.
Its too bad because the only player I really want to give up at this point is Bass and he wont get us much in return at this point.
I like Lee playing together with Bradley in the back court.
Bradley and Sully are too good at a young age to give up on.
Rondo. End of discussion.
KG and Pierce arent going anywhere.
And I do like Jeff Green in his role if he can continue to have decent games.
I agree with you, all the way until Green. I'd still be very open to moving him in the right deal, but would prefer to trade Bass.
If the Cs are going to get a legit starting 4 or 5 -- even a "youngish" one as Chad Ford puts it -- they're going to have to be willing to be creative beyond just throwing Bass out there, especially if they won't trade Bradley or Sully in such a deal.
Thus my trade for Beasley, who easily ranks as the worst FA signing of last summer. A $$$ sensitive, rebuilding team like the Suns presumably hates having him on the roster... enough so to trade a Top-10 center to be rid of him, I'd imagine.
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
DO YOU ALL HAVE AN ITCH TO TRADE PEOPLE? SERIOUSLY, GREEN IS COMING BACK TO FORM, BASS IS RETURNING TO HIS PREVIOUS WAYS, THEN WHY DO YOU WANT TO TRADE THEM?
EVERY GAME, WE WIN OR LOSE, THESE GARBAGE TRASH THREADS POP UP SAYING WE SHOULD THIS PERSON OR THAT. SERIOUSLY. DO YOU NOT HAVING ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?
Lol +1
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I was curious about Gortat but I saw nothing the other night to indicate he would help us. Seems like a dime a dozen back-up center to me. I liked Darko's potential to defend and fit in better. Bring back DarkO!
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I was curious about Gortat but I saw nothing the other night to indicate he would help us. Seems like a dime a dozen back-up center to me. I liked Darko's potential to defend and fit in better. Bring back DarkO!
Gortat had 12 pts on 50% shooting while grabbing 14 rebs, 5 blocks and 2 steals. He would be a very big piece to our front court.
Wouldn't give up Sully, Bradley or Green, but if we can get him for a package of Lee or Bass , Melo and a 1st I would be all over that.
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Beasley is the sticking point on this one. he's bounced around the league for a reason. I'd like to have Gortat but I think Green and Bass together is a little high of a price. Tucker isn't enough of an incentive to also take on the Beasley headache.
I can't believe how terrible Beasley has become and how much he has fallen.
The best part of the Jeff Green dunk was watching Beasley get way down in a Bradley like stance, and Green just making one move to go by him, and Beasley just completely giving up on trying to defend him going to the lane.
It's hard to believe that this guy was once thought to be the building block to use with Wade in Miami and in just a few short years he's become another poster boy for the #2 pick bust hall of shame.
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Felt like bumping this thread. I still believe PHX is one our 2 / 3 most likely trading partners.
One adjustment: Tucker is the kind of find that tends to stand in the way of deals like this. The team who has him very rarely wants to give up that diamond in the rough, especially when they're rebuilding. With Bradley and Lee on the roster, I don't think he's key to this.
So I'd adjust as follows:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a8cpl7w
To Boston: Gortat, Beasley, Wes Johnson
To Phoenix: Green, Bass, Melo
I believe both teams would need to seriously consider this.
Playoff line-up: Gortat starts at the 5, and Garnett at the 4. Sully is 1st off the bench in the front court, with Collins or Wilcox getting some minutes as needed depending on match-up. The other one is our last ditch / safety net.
Johnson backs up Pierce to the tune of 12 minutes a night, assuming PP is going to play about 35-36 a night in the playoffs.
In the bits I've seen him play, Johnson's defense has impressed me. Basically, Pierce is going to play the bulk of minutes regardless -- if Green can be used as an asset to net a 5, I'm comfortable with the risk of a guy like Johnson as a slight defensive downgrade. Neither guy can stop LeBron anyway -- no one can. I envision him making 2 3s a game and playing some D.
Beasley is a wildcard back-up. If the 2nd unit simply cannot score, I'd insert him in spots. Probably mostly as a 4, particularly against smaller teams. Yes, he's a defensive liability. But i still think there's a place for a bench guy who can and will get his own shot every time he hits the floor. He's there as that 10th, 11th guy. You have to take luggage if you're going to dish some -- Beasley is that guy in this deal.
OK, now tell me how bad this idea is, because...
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Felt like bumping this thread. I still believe PHX is one our 2 / 3 most likely trading partners.
One adjustment: Tucker is the kind of find that tends to stand in the way of deals like this. The team who has him very rarely wants to give up that diamond in the rough, especially when they're rebuilding. With Bradley and Lee on the roster, I don't think he's key to this.
So I'd adjust as follows:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a8cpl7w
To Boston: Gortat, Beasley, Wes Johnson
To Phoenix: Green, Bass, Melo
I believe both teams would need to seriously consider this.
Playoff line-up: Gortat starts at the 5, and Garnett at the 4. Sully is 1st off the bench in the front court, with Collins or Wilcox getting some minutes as needed depending on match-up. The other one is our last ditch / safety net.
Johnson backs up Pierce to the tune of 12 minutes a night, assuming PP is going to play about 35-36 a night in the playoffs.
In the bits I've seen him play, Johnson's defense has impressed me. Basically, Pierce is going to play the bulk of minutes regardless -- if Green can be used as an asset to net a 5, I'm comfortable with the risk of a guy like Johnson as a slight defensive downgrade. Neither guy can stop LeBron anyway -- no one can. I envision him making 2 3s a game and playing some D.
Beasley is a wildcard back-up. If the 2nd unit simply cannot score, I'd insert him in spots. Probably mostly as a 4, particularly against smaller teams. Yes, he's a defensive liability. But i still think there's a place for a bench guy who can and will get his own shot every time he hits the floor. He's there as that 10th, 11th guy.
OK, now tell me how bad this idea is, because...
Have wanted Gortat since he was a FA refugee from Orlando. He is on a bargain contarct for someone with his skills and attitude.
+1 for the work before and now that you put into the trade idea. I like it.
Also, the topic seems like a rhetorical question, but there is a poll. If it is a poll, it should have "Neither Says No" as a choice, so I didn't vote.
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Also, the topic seems like a rhetorical question, but there is a poll. If it is a poll, it should have "Neither Says No" as a choice, so I didn't vote.
Excellent point. I've added that option, though at this point it's going to be a little skewed since this is an old thread.... not that I expect that many folks would have chosen it anyway!
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Also, the topic seems like a rhetorical question, but there is a poll. If it is a poll, it should have "Neither Says No" as a choice, so I didn't vote.
Excellent point. I've added that option, though at this point it's going to be a little skewed since this is an old thread.... not that I expect that many folks would have chosen it anyway!
Thanks...I just did my civic duty!
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Beasley is the sticking point on this one. he's bounced around the league for a reason. I'd like to have Gortat but I think Green and Bass together is a little high of a price. Tucker isn't enough of an incentive to also take on the Beasley headache.
I can't believe how terrible Beasley has become and how much he has fallen.
The best part of the Jeff Green dunk was watching Beasley get way down in a Bradley like stance, and Green just making one move to go by him, and Beasley just completely giving up on trying to defend him going to the lane.
It's hard to believe that this guy was once thought to be the building block to use with Wade in Miami and in just a few short years he's become another poster boy for the #2 pick bust hall of shame.
It is quite amazing how much Beasley's stock has actually dropped. He can hardly get minutes on the Phoenix Suns for cryin out loud.
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Also, the topic seems like a rhetorical question, but there is a poll. If it is a poll, it should have "Neither Says No" as a choice, so I didn't vote.
Excellent point. I've added that option, though at this point it's going to be a little skewed since this is an old thread.... not that I expect that many folks would have chosen it anyway!
Thanks...I just did my civic duty!
cool - tp.
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Also, the topic seems like a rhetorical question, but there is a poll. If it is a poll, it should have "Neither Says No" as a choice, so I didn't vote.
Excellent point. I've added that option, though at this point it's going to be a little skewed since this is an old thread.... not that I expect that many folks would have chosen it anyway!
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Felt like bumping this thread. I still believe PHX is one our 2 / 3 most likely trading partners.
One adjustment: Tucker is the kind of find that tends to stand in the way of deals like this. The team who has him very rarely wants to give up that diamond in the rough, especially when they're rebuilding. With Bradley and Lee on the roster, I don't think he's key to this.
So I'd adjust as follows:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a8cpl7w
To Boston: Gortat, Beasley, Wes Johnson
To Phoenix: Green, Bass, Melo
I believe both teams would need to seriously consider this.
Playoff line-up: Gortat starts at the 5, and Garnett at the 4. Sully is 1st off the bench in the front court, with Collins or Wilcox getting some minutes as needed depending on match-up. The other one is our last ditch / safety net.
Johnson backs up Pierce to the tune of 12 minutes a night, assuming PP is going to play about 35-36 a night in the playoffs.
In the bits I've seen him play, Johnson's defense has impressed me. Basically, Pierce is going to play the bulk of minutes regardless -- if Green can be used as an asset to net a 5, I'm comfortable with the risk of a guy like Johnson as a slight defensive downgrade. Neither guy can stop LeBron anyway -- no one can. I envision him making 2 3s a game and playing some D.
Beasley is a wildcard back-up. If the 2nd unit simply cannot score, I'd insert him in spots. Probably mostly as a 4, particularly against smaller teams. Yes, he's a defensive liability. But i still think there's a place for a bench guy who can and will get his own shot every time he hits the floor. He's there as that 10th, 11th guy. You have to take luggage if you're going to dish some -- Beasley is that guy in this deal.
OK, now tell me how bad this idea is, because...
Unless Fab's stock is really high, which I don't think it is, I really don't want to just throw him in to every trade as filler. We didn't take him because he was the sexiest player available. We would have taken PJ3 if that were the case.
I would probably consider Green/Bass for Gortat/Beasley plus any minor filler if necessary[Collins]. I really think that Phx is getting the better players, but we would be filling a need. I still think Beasley could excel in the right environment, but I am probably in the minority with that opinion.
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I just say NO to Beasley ..PERIOD.... don't want him in any deal for anybody that land s him on the Celtics.
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I just say NO to Beasley ..PERIOD.... don't want him in any deal for anybody that land s him on the Celtics.
If we want Gortat (and I do), we have to eat Beasley. No Bradley, no Sully, they're gonna want us to eat Beasley.
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Unless Fab's stock is really high, which I don't think it is, I really don't want to just throw him in to every trade as filler. We didn't take him because he was the sexiest player available. We would have taken PJ3 if that were the case.
I would probably consider Green/Bass for Gortat/Beasley plus any minor filler if necessary[Collins]. I really think that Phx is getting the better players, but we would be filling a need. I still think Beasley could excel in the right environment, but I am probably in the minority with that opinion.
Unfortunately, he needs to be in there in this trade due to the hard cap the Cs are up against, and the fact that they're taking more salary on here. See here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aybhpul
I also think Phoenix would want Melo in the deal. Green and Bass is reasonable, but risky, value in return for Gortat... even if we are taking Beasley.
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Unless Fab's stock is really high, which I don't think it is, I really don't want to just throw him in to every trade as filler. We didn't take him because he was the sexiest player available. We would have taken PJ3 if that were the case.
I would probably consider Green/Bass for Gortat/Beasley plus any minor filler if necessary[Collins]. I really think that Phx is getting the better players, but we would be filling a need. I still think Beasley could excel in the right environment, but I am probably in the minority with that opinion.
Unfortunately, he needs to be in there in this trade due to the hard cap the Cs are up against, and the fact that they're taking more salary on here. See here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aybhpul
I also think Phoenix would want Melo in the deal. Green and Bass is reasonable, but risky, value in return for Gortat... even if we are taking Beasley.
That's what I was afraid of. I just don't like the prospect of sending out melo right now as just filler. Like I said, I just don't think that is why we brought him in here...we'll see, tough call for Ainger - if something like this is even on the table...
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Felt like bumping this thread. I still believe PHX is one our 2 / 3 most likely trading partners.
One adjustment: Tucker is the kind of find that tends to stand in the way of deals like this. The team who has him very rarely wants to give up that diamond in the rough, especially when they're rebuilding. With Bradley and Lee on the roster, I don't think he's key to this.
So I'd adjust as follows:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a8cpl7w
To Boston: Gortat, Beasley, Wes Johnson
To Phoenix: Green, Bass, Melo
I believe both teams would need to seriously consider this.
Playoff line-up: Gortat starts at the 5, and Garnett at the 4. Sully is 1st off the bench in the front court, with Collins or Wilcox getting some minutes as needed depending on match-up. The other one is our last ditch / safety net.
Johnson backs up Pierce to the tune of 12 minutes a night, assuming PP is going to play about 35-36 a night in the playoffs.
In the bits I've seen him play, Johnson's defense has impressed me. Basically, Pierce is going to play the bulk of minutes regardless -- if Green can be used as an asset to net a 5, I'm comfortable with the risk of a guy like Johnson as a slight defensive downgrade. Neither guy can stop LeBron anyway -- no one can. I envision him making 2 3s a game and playing some D.
Beasley is a wildcard back-up. If the 2nd unit simply cannot score, I'd insert him in spots. Probably mostly as a 4, particularly against smaller teams. Yes, he's a defensive liability. But i still think there's a place for a bench guy who can and will get his own shot every time he hits the floor. He's there as that 10th, 11th guy. You have to take luggage if you're going to dish some -- Beasley is that guy in this deal.
OK, now tell me how bad this idea is, because...
I like this trade. I like Green, Bass, and Melo, but you have to give up value to get value, and I see Gortat filling a huge need for us. Plus, I see Bass as expendable with Sully in the fold, Pierce (like you said) is going to get the bulk of the SF minutes in the playoffs anyway, and this trade creates (if possible) even more flexibility for us: You start with Pierce, KG, and Gortat, then you have Sully as the primary backup 4, with Wilcox able to back up the 4 and the 5, and Beasley being able to back up the 3 and the 4, AND you still have Wesley Johnson as another backup 3 (not to mention that Courtney Lee can play spot minutes at the 3 in certain matchups). And we also still have our awesome guard rotation, but then we'd also have the required size in the middle.
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Gortat would be important to get but beasley :o that makes a big no
green is very key to our teams success
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Gortat would be important to get but beasley :o that makes a big no
green is very key to our teams success
One way to look at it... forget the filler for a moment: who is more essential to the Cs championship hopes in 2013 -- Gortat or Green?
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I been involved with Suns players security for the last 7yrs. And if this makes any difference to any on Celtics blog, Gortat & Beasley has become best friends off the court as teammates this year. Clubs, dinner together frequently as best buds. If a trade happened where they were shipped together, I think they would love it! But what a weird pairing! Never saw those two hitting it off but they have.
*On another note the trade winds are swirling Big-Time amongst players as they talk about it quite often with each other. Friendly but uneasy locker room knowing major changes are about to go down. In my 7yrs I have never seen the Arena so empty, Fans think this team has no star power & the city is looking more towards the Mercury #1 pick & possibly Brittney Griner instead of the Suns. So look forward to the Suns trying to acquire a star. How idk but its the buzz!
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Gortat would be important to get but beasley :o that makes a big no
green is very key to our teams success
One way to look at it... forget the filler for a moment: who is more essential to the Cs championship hopes in 2013 -- Gortat or Green?
hard question to answer, we need a big
paul pierce cannot guard lebron & carmelo in playoff series at his age, see last knicks game pp did a good job and green didn't let up at all on carmelo
terry looks more like the guy to move, we have had a lot of guys have slumps so far
green, pierce at the start of season, lee, bass
all those guys have looked much better terry still isn't doing much for us so if it was terry and bass i'd go all in
beasley looks like he needs to play on a lottery team to look any good at all
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Gortat would be important to get but beasley :o that makes a big no
green is very key to our teams success
One way to look at it... forget the filler for a moment: who is more essential to the Cs championship hopes in 2013 -- Gortat or Green?
hard question to answer, we need a big
paul pierce cannot guard lebron & carmelo in playoff series at his age, see last knicks game pp did a good job and green didn't let up at all on carmelo
terry looks more like the guy to move, we have had a lot of guys have slumps so far
green, pierce at the start of season, lee, bass
all those guys have looked much better terry still isn't doing much for us so if it was terry and bass i'd go all in
beasley looks like he needs to play on a lottery team to look any good at all
if it's a toss up in your opinion, think minutes. Gortat is going to play far more. Pierce is the SF for this season's champ hopes.
meanwhile, interesting to see Gortat flying a hardcore flag for Stan Van Gundy on his twitter feed. hard to see SVG ending up there, but (to me) indicative of Gortat's discomfort with current magmt there......
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The suns say NO. Also i don't want Beasley sniffing a Celtics jersey let alone donning one.
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Since Beaz has negative value, the Suns would be wise to insist he be included in a Gortat trade. The Green, Bass, Melo for Gortat, Beaz and filler trade works because it gets the Suns out from under Beaz's money, gives them a project center with a ton of upside, and gives them two solid rotation players right now at a reasonable cost.
I have a feeling that the Suns would want a first round pick in the deal. Maybe Ainge can get a 2nd rounder back.
I'm not afraid of the Beaz on this team, although I've been a long time non-fan. He's the cost of doing business when you're trying to get an affordable center and don't want to give up young rotation players. Doc and Boston is as good a place as any to see if his talent can be harnessed.
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Since Beaz has negative value, the Suns would be wise to insist he be included in a Gortat trade. The Green, Bass, Melo for Gortat, Beaz and filler trade works because it gets the Suns out from under Beaz's money, gives them a project center with a ton of upside, and gives them two solid rotation players right now at a reasonable cost.
I have a feeling that the Suns would want a first round pick in the deal. Maybe Ainge can get a 2nd rounder back.
I'm not afraid of the Beaz on this team, although I've been a long time non-fan. He's the cost of doing business when you're trying to get an affordable center and don't want to give up young rotation players. Doc and Boston is as good a place as any to see if his talent can be harnessed.
Thanks. I think the pick exchange is splitting hairs, particularly in a weak draft (should those picks be this year). But it's usually the big pieces, not the little ones, that stand in the way of deals.