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Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2024, 10:56:08 AM »

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Imagine if the Sox weren?t paying Chris sale to be on another team

Or if they weren't operating $18 million below the tax.

Have you been watching? They're kind of a fun team right now. After four championships, they're resetting while letting the young talent develop.

Chaim Bloom said they traded Mookie because they didn't have talent coming up to surround him. I think they're changing that.

The Red Sox are definitely not going for it this year, but I think they will in short order. Marcelo Mayer is having a better year and is projected to come up this summer.

I'm going to remain optimistic that these players will develop. I've gone to Fenway a couple of times this year and had a great time. I think they will splurge in FA once the bones are in place.

I took my family to the Patriot's Day game, and watch rarely.  The team itself is overachieving, but a team like the Red Sox should be using all of its resources, not just some of them. 


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Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2024, 12:07:08 PM »

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They are young players are sure starting to bloom before our eyes and Mayer is showing serious flashes of super stardom in the minors this year. OBP almost .400, average over .300, 13 SB.

I think about Sale and yes, he was never healthy for us but wow, if he was in our rotation this year, we might actually have a shot at something huge. It is crazy how healthy and strong he looks this year. I think, he has had one bad outing and the rest are lights out. 11-3..sickening he did not come back sooner for us and show us that again.

For those saying we did not spend it all, who could we have gotten this past winter? The amount of money was insane for the top line pitching. We could not and never can outspend the Yankees or Dodgers. It is just not going to happen. 

We did drop the ball on Shota Imanaga though, that was the one we should have gotten and I really wanted. 4 years under 100M with that production would have been nice and Fenway would have loved him. 7-2, 3 ERA, 100 SO, very nice first year so far.

I am pleasantly surprised how we have come on though the past month. Once again, our coach seems to be able to maximize what he has and get the players working as a team. I know many don't like Cora but I absolutely would like him to stay on for many more years.



Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2024, 12:31:24 PM »

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They are young players are sure starting to bloom before our eyes and Mayer is showing serious flashes of super stardom in the minors this year. OBP almost .400, average over .300, 13 SB.

I think about Sale and yes, he was never healthy for us but wow, if he was in our rotation this year, we might actually have a shot at something huge. It is crazy how healthy and strong he looks this year. I think, he has had one bad outing and the rest are lights out. 11-3..sickening he did not come back sooner for us and show us that again.

For those saying we did not spend it all, who could we have gotten this past winter? The amount of money was insane for the top line pitching. We could not and never can outspend the Yankees or Dodgers. It is just not going to happen. 

We did drop the ball on Shota Imanaga though, that was the one we should have gotten and I really wanted. 4 years under 100M with that production would have been nice and Fenway would have loved him. 7-2, 3 ERA, 100 SO, very nice first year so far.

I am pleasantly surprised how we have come on though the past month. Once again, our coach seems to be able to maximize what he has and get the players working as a team. I know many don't like Cora but I absolutely would like him to stay on for many more years.

They honestly have about 20 more wins than I would have guessed for this time of the season. Some of the young players like Duran have been way better than I could have imagined. All that being said I have a hard time fully enjoying this team fully because like Roy I feel the ownership is being cheap and taking advantage of the fans. I also do not want to embolden them to keep having this kind of payroll in the coming years  by overachieving

Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #78 on: July 08, 2024, 12:39:17 PM »

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Often times, the true talent available via mid season trades is rental type of deals.  Declining (sometimes) vets at the end of their contracts.  Teams want to get something for them.  I can understand if the Red Sox don't want to give up a good prospect in that type of deal.  But if they can get a pitcher that is reliable and has some years on his contract, that may be worth a prospect or a player.

I feel like in baseball, more than most sports, you need to take a longer view.  You can't go chasing every FA or deadline trade.  It tends to back fire.  But there is a sweet spot.  You can balance developing prospects with bringing in FAs or making smart trades for vets.

I suspect that the Sox will be more restrained this trade deadline than most fans want.   I can't imagine they will sell any good players, but I do not think they will be go all in buyers either.  I am OK with that in general, at this point in time.  There is no deal that they could make that would make them the WS favorite or anything like that.  Get better if you can, but don't reach too far for a short term fix.

Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #79 on: July 08, 2024, 12:40:37 PM »

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More about this young Sox team, maybe I'm drinking too much cool aid, but I am enjoying these young players.

Young Ceddanne Rafaela compared to young Mookie Betts

First 390 career AB

Ceddanne - 13 HR - 55 RBI - 14 SB
Mookie     -  10 HR - 43 RBI - 14 SB
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Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #80 on: July 08, 2024, 03:17:43 PM »

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Imagine if the Sox weren?t paying Chris sale to be on another team

Or if they weren't operating $18 million below the tax.

Have you been watching? They're kind of a fun team right now. After four championships, they're resetting while letting the young talent develop.

Chaim Bloom said they traded Mookie because they didn't have talent coming up to surround him. I think they're changing that.

The Red Sox are definitely not going for it this year, but I think they will in short order. Marcelo Mayer is having a better year and is projected to come up this summer.

I'm going to remain optimistic that these players will develop. I've gone to Fenway a couple of times this year and had a great time. I think they will splurge in FA once the bones are in place.

I took my family to the Patriot's Day game, and watch rarely.  The team itself is overachieving, but a team like the Red Sox should be using all of its resources, not just some of them.


I will say in their defense with the new GM they were rumored to be big after Yomosoto, rightly so, but I think everyone knew he would sign with the Dodgers. There were many fans clamoring for Jordan Montgomery, who is the home of a 6 plus era currently on the IL. They spent on Gioliti but unfortunately he got hurt. They signed Devers to a massive contract that seems like the right thing to do for someone in his mid 20s. Savvy trade bringing in O?Neil. They spent on Yoshida and Story both contracts they probably like to take back. Just throwing money around isn?t always the answer. They have a mostly exciting young core with more on its way.

Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #81 on: July 08, 2024, 05:23:10 PM »

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The Sox are definitely better than I expected them to be at this point, and they have a good chance to make the playoffs with the expanded field, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them fade a bit in the second half, because that's a pretty common phenomenon. I also think the deadline will tell us what ownership thinks about this year's team.

Several of their young guys are fun to watch, especially Duran and Rafaela, and it seems that Andrew Bailey knows what he's doing. The defense is still pretty bad, though, and I still think that giving Story and Yoshida big money was a mistake. The Sox are definitely still in a "bridge" phase, so my expectations are tempered.
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Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #82 on: July 08, 2024, 05:49:51 PM »

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The Sox are definitely better than I expected them to be at this point, and they have a good chance to make the playoffs with the expanded field, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them fade a bit in the second half, because that's a pretty common phenomenon. I also think the deadline will tell us what ownership thinks about this year's team.

Several of their young guys are fun to watch, especially Duran and Rafaela, and it seems that Andrew Bailey knows what he's doing. The defense is still pretty bad, though, and I still think that giving Story and Yoshida big money was a mistake. The Sox are definitely still in a "bridge" phase, so my expectations are tempered.

It's hard to argue with this as a likely outcome, but there are some signs that we could at least get lucky and follow through with a playoff berth. Gonna need some health, luck and stability but:

1B: Casas is a major upgrade if we can just get him back

CF: Rafaela needs to stay here, where he's a plus defender, instead of messing around in the infield

2B/SS: Hamilton has been fun, but he should sit against lefties and be more of a 6th man/ pinch runner to maximize his value. We desperately need an everyday middle infielder (or two) who can field his position AND bat in the top half of the lineup, but we have none.

Best case scenario, Casas comes back, Rafaela/Duran continue to be an exciting duo and maybe we get a late season exciting call-up like Mayer or Campbell who also happen to be middle infielders.

One can dream...




Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #83 on: July 08, 2024, 11:43:48 PM »

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The Sox are definitely better than I expected them to be at this point, and they have a good chance to make the playoffs with the expanded field, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them fade a bit in the second half, because that's a pretty common phenomenon. I also think the deadline will tell us what ownership thinks about this year's team.

Several of their young guys are fun to watch, especially Duran and Rafaela, and it seems that Andrew Bailey knows what he's doing. The defense is still pretty bad, though, and I still think that giving Story and Yoshida big money was a mistake. The Sox are definitely still in a "bridge" phase, so my expectations are tempered.

It's hard to argue with this as a likely outcome, but there are some signs that we could at least get lucky and follow through with a playoff berth. Gonna need some health, luck and stability but:

1B: Casas is a major upgrade if we can just get him back

CF: Rafaela needs to stay here, where he's a plus defender, instead of messing around in the infield

2B/SS: Hamilton has been fun, but he should sit against lefties and be more of a 6th man/ pinch runner to maximize his value. We desperately need an everyday middle infielder (or two) who can field his position AND bat in the top half of the lineup, but we have none.

Best case scenario, Casas comes back, Rafaela/Duran continue to be an exciting duo and maybe we get a late season exciting call-up like Mayer or Campbell who also happen to be middle infielders.

One can dream...

Nothing wrong with dreaming! It would certainly be nice to have a solid core of young perennial all-stars (or close) (Devers, Duran, Houck, Rafaela, Abreu, Wong?) surrounded by a few key free-agent acquisitions (No. 1 starter, power-hitting shortstop (not Story), big-time DH).
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Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #84 on: July 11, 2024, 05:25:03 PM »

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We're a team of destiny. This feels like the Major League movies. Owner unwilling to pay up, starts a bunch of players that everyone thinks are scrubs and they outperform. Before the trade deadline, we're going to ship out Kenley Jansen for Pedro Cerrano, Roger Dorn and Kamikaze Tanaka.

Stay tuned for October Duckboats.

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Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #85 on: July 11, 2024, 06:24:19 PM »

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We're a team of destiny. This feels like the Major League movies. Owner unwilling to pay up, starts a bunch of players that everyone thinks are scrubs and they outperform. Before the trade deadline, we're going to ship out Kenley Jansen for Pedro Cerrano, Roger Dorn and Kamikaze Tanaka.

Stay tuned for October Duckboats.

Mike

I think they'd probably be November duckboats these days, right?


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Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2024, 09:29:43 AM »

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We're a team of destiny. This feels like the Major League movies. Owner unwilling to pay up, starts a bunch of players that everyone thinks are scrubs and they outperform. Before the trade deadline, we're going to ship out Kenley Jansen for Pedro Cerrano, Roger Dorn and Kamikaze Tanaka.

Stay tuned for October Duckboats.

Mike

I think they'd probably be November duckboats these days, right?

Probably true. I can't even keep track anymore.

How about "Stay tuned for Duckboats sometime before Christmas, we think?"

Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2024, 09:34:09 AM »

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We're a team of destiny. This feels like the Major League movies. Owner unwilling to pay up, starts a bunch of players that everyone thinks are scrubs and they outperform. Before the trade deadline, we're going to ship out Kenley Jansen for Pedro Cerrano, Roger Dorn and Kamikaze Tanaka.

Stay tuned for October Duckboats.

Mike

I think they'd probably be November duckboats these days, right?

Probably true. I can't even keep track anymore.

How about "Stay tuned for Duckboats sometime before Christmas, we think?"

Haha.  It's a changing world.  In a few years we'll be seeing the Super Bowl over President's Day weekend.


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Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2024, 10:50:19 AM »

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I have been trying to think what is the Red Sox line up or depth chart if projected out for the next couple of seasons, including some of the prospects that are close to arriving.  I am thinking about position players, pitchers get too complicated.

1B:  Casas
2B:  Grissom (Nick Yorke?)
SS:  Mayer
3B:  Devers

LF:  Duran
CF: Rafaela
RF: Abreu (Roman Anthony?)

C:  Wong (Kyle Teel?)

I guess the conclusion I am coming to is that there is not all that much room for that many position player prospects to come up.   There are already some pretty good players in place at most positions.  Other than than the top prospects, I am not that worried to trade some of the nearly top guys.  Not for a half season rental, but for a decent pitcher with some control, why not?  Our position player depth between young current players and prospects looks very solid but the pitching not so much.

Re: 2024 Red Sox Season Thread
« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2024, 11:43:12 AM »

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According to mlb.com, 6 of out of our top 13 prospects are middle infielders.

Felger and Mazz actually made a great point the other day (no, seriously), that Dombrowski actually drafted a lot of our current roster players and blue chip prospects.

This is despite trading away loads of good prospects. But the guys he dumped almost all turned into busts. He kept the right guys and traded the bums with bordeine clairvoyabt accuracy. Can Breslow do the same and inject some elite veteran talent into this roster while not mortgaging the future?

With all those middle infield prospects we should have some real flexibility for trades.