Rumor: Pacers are listening to trade offers for Domantas Sabonis

[td450]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

[Csfan1984]

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba_final_draft/2019

Just look at the 2019 Draft from #1 to #14.

There's only 1 player 6-10 or taller drafted, Jaxson Hayes at #8 by the Pels.

10 players 6-6 to 6-8 got drafted in the top 14.

So it's very clear, bigs are harder to find than wing players.

Having Tatum, Hayward, Brown, Smart, and Langford on the roster is redundant.
It's not like the Celts don't have other wing players who are also great players.
In fact, Tatum and Hayward are better than Brown.
You add Smart to that mix and clearly there will not be enough shots and minutes for all of them.
Langford isn't even relevant yet.

So even if Brown is better than Sabonis as a basketball player, Sabonis is a better fit because the Celts already have too many 6-6 to 6-8 players and not enough quality bigs.

What we saw from preseason is the Celts are clearly lacking a quality big man.

I don't see how Sabonis is a better fit than Brown just because he is tall. Sabonis is a mid range big that can't play defense. Brown is a two way player that can guard four positions. Yes we have a few good 6'6 to 6'9 wings but only Brown can guard 4 spots and play the sg spot at a high level, those other guys can't.
 
 I don't consider Sabonis for Brown a fair deal even if Pacers are adding a 1st.

It's about the Celtics' needs right now. If Brown were to be traded, Smart becomes the starting SG and the hole at center is suddenly filled.

I don't know that that is the right thing or best thing but strictly in terms of fit for this team, it makes a lot of sense.

Did you read my whole post? Sabonis doesn't fit, as in fit the team's system. Brown is more versatile than Smart and has more upside than Smart. The swap doesn't help simply because we have guard depth. Sabonis is the same player Kanter is. Look at Kanter's advanced numbers when he played next to Adams they are a lot like Sabonis with Turner. Sabonis isn't a guy you give up a talent like Brown for.

[liam]

Can we trade Semi and a second round pick for Noel? I think that's the better value move.

[saltlover]

Can we trade Semi and a second round pick for Noel? I think that's the better value move.

Not until January and only if Noel agrees to the trade, as he can veto it because he’s on a one-year deal and would lose his Early Bird rights.

[Fierce1]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

Jaylen has never successfully covered any of the bigs you mentioned.

I have seen Semi Ojeleye successfully containing Giannis in the 2018 playoffs, but not Jaylen.

Brad Stevens has also not used Jaylen on Embiid.

Same thing against Orlando, Brad didn't let Jaylen defend Vucevic.

So saying that Jaylen can cover bigs is simply not true.

[Fierce1]

Jaylen Brown has always played SG and SF for the Celts.

If Jaylen can cover bigs, he would be worth the max of 30m per year.

But there's just no evidence that Jaylen has successfully defended Centers and PFs in the NBA.

Maybe in FIBA competition Jaylen can cover the international bigs, but not in the NBA.

[Csfan1984]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

Jaylen has never successfully covered any of the bigs you mentioned.

I have seen Semi Ojeleye successfully containing Giannis in the 2018 playoffs, but not Jaylen.

Brad Stevens has also not used Jaylen on Embiid.

Same thing against Orlando, Brad didn't let Jaylen defend Vucevic.

So saying that Jaylen can cover bigs is simply not true.

That's not what he said. He said he rather have JB on them than Sabonis. As in Sabonis is that bad on defense.

[Fierce1]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

Jaylen has never successfully covered any of the bigs you mentioned.

I have seen Semi Ojeleye successfully containing Giannis in the 2018 playoffs, but not Jaylen.

Brad Stevens has also not used Jaylen on Embiid.

Same thing against Orlando, Brad didn't let Jaylen defend Vucevic.

So saying that Jaylen can cover bigs is simply not true.

That's not what he said. He said he rather have JB on them than Sabonis. As in Sabonis is that bad on defense.

Saying that Sabonis is bad on defense is false.

There's no scouting report on Sabonis that says Sabonis is bad on defense.

[footey]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

Jaylen has never successfully covered any of the bigs you mentioned.

I have seen Semi Ojeleye successfully containing Giannis in the 2018 playoffs, but not Jaylen.

Brad Stevens has also not used Jaylen on Embiid.

Same thing against Orlando, Brad didn't let Jaylen defend Vucevic.

So saying that Jaylen can cover bigs is simply not true.

That's not what he said. He said he rather have JB on them than Sabonis. As in Sabonis is that bad on defense.

Saying that Sabonis is bad on defense is false.

There's no scouting report on Sabonis that says Sabonis is bad on defense.

No. Just film.

[Fierce1]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

Jaylen has never successfully covered any of the bigs you mentioned.

I have seen Semi Ojeleye successfully containing Giannis in the 2018 playoffs, but not Jaylen.

Brad Stevens has also not used Jaylen on Embiid.

Same thing against Orlando, Brad didn't let Jaylen defend Vucevic.

So saying that Jaylen can cover bigs is simply not true.

That's not what he said. He said he rather have JB on them than Sabonis. As in Sabonis is that bad on defense.

Saying that Sabonis is bad on defense is false.

There's no scouting report on Sabonis that says Sabonis is bad on defense.

No. Just film.

The Pacers coach, Nate McMillan, is a defensive coach.

No way Sabonis gets that many minutes if he's bad on defense.

Maybe Sabonis is average on defense, but saying he's bad on defense is simply not true.

[Csfan1984]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

Jaylen has never successfully covered any of the bigs you mentioned.

I have seen Semi Ojeleye successfully containing Giannis in the 2018 playoffs, but not Jaylen.

Brad Stevens has also not used Jaylen on Embiid.

Same thing against Orlando, Brad didn't let Jaylen defend Vucevic.

So saying that Jaylen can cover bigs is simply not true.

That's not what he said. He said he rather have JB on them than Sabonis. As in Sabonis is that bad on defense.

Saying that Sabonis is bad on defense is false.

There's no scouting report on Sabonis that says Sabonis is bad on defense.

I don't need a scouting report, I watch games.

Only fair excuse Sabonis has is he isn't a PF and the miscommunication he has with teammates on a nightly basis does not help his defense.

[Fierce1]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

Jaylen has never successfully covered any of the bigs you mentioned.

I have seen Semi Ojeleye successfully containing Giannis in the 2018 playoffs, but not Jaylen.

Brad Stevens has also not used Jaylen on Embiid.

Same thing against Orlando, Brad didn't let Jaylen defend Vucevic.

So saying that Jaylen can cover bigs is simply not true.

That's not what he said. He said he rather have JB on them than Sabonis. As in Sabonis is that bad on defense.

Saying that Sabonis is bad on defense is false.

There's no scouting report on Sabonis that says Sabonis is bad on defense.

I don't need a scouting report, I watch games.

Only fair excuse Sabonis has is he isn't a PF and the miscommunication he has with teammates on a nightly basis does not help his defense.

I also watch games and my conclusion is he's not bad on defense like Kanter.

There's just no way Nate McMillan will give him that many minutes if he's bad on defense.

[Fierce1]

I think it's fair to base it on scouting report because a fan's opinion is very subjective.

[keevsnick]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

No you are  missing the point. It doesn't matter if more people are 6'6-6'8 than 6'10-7'0 if the people who are 6'6-6'8 arent very good. There are arguably more good big man in the league than ever, thus the value of a big man is lower. A good wing is just more valuable then a good big, because  you can get a guy who will give you like 70-80% of Sabonis for like 5 million a year.

The bolded just isnt a true statement. If it was there would be as many or more star wings as star bigs. There may be more players who we *perceive* as having star potential, but in actualy good wings are rare.

[keevsnick]

The main difference between Jaylen Brown and Damontas Sabonis is rarity.

Every year there's always a 6-6 or 6-7 player in the draft that has star potential.

But it's not every year that you can find a 6-10 or 6-11 player with star potential.

There is so much wrong with this statement.

A) Its gonna be hard for Sabonis to be a star player given his defensive weakness. Almost every star big man has defensive ability, you have to reach such an absurd level like Jokic or KAT offensively to be a star big man I  you can't defend and even with those guys it will always be a liability to their team (KAT could still get better). I would say that Sabonis doesn't have star potential.

B) The above may be true, but if you actually look at the number of star (and potential star)wings vs bigs its pretty close. Not including guys drafted this year....

For bigs theirs KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Gobert, Ayton, Giannis, Bagley, Porzingus, Collins, Turner, Markenen, Jackson, Vuc(borderline), Horford, Aldrige, Blake, Love,

For wings you have Lebron, Kawhi, George, Butler, Thompson, Doncic, Tatum, Brown(maybe), Middleton(Borderline), Gordon(maybe), Derozen(meh), Harris, Ingrahm

I compiled this list by going through the top 50ish nba guys n si's list, Ben Simmons and Siakim are debatable give  that they are "big" wings. The point is if its so much easier to find wings you would expect there to be more wings than bigs. Wings are rarer.

*Please no posts say "You missed this guy!" I might have missed guys, unless you have a half dozen 6'6-6'8 guys with star potential I missed it doesn't change the point.

You're missing the point.

The point is most human beings are not 6-10 or 6-11.

What I'm trying to point out is there are more good 6-6 to 6-7 players than 6-10 to 6-11 players every year.

Just look at the draft every year.

I'm not pointing out how many there are in the NBA, I'm pointing out that every draft there are lots of 6-6 to 6-7 players who have star potential.

If Jaylen Brown has superstar potential then no way the Celts trade him.

And like I said, if Brown agrees to a 4-year 100m deal, Celts should keep him.

There's just no way Jaylen Brown is a 30m per year player, no way!

So if Brown and the Celts can't agree on an extension, it's very obvious a team will offer Brown the max in the summer of 2020.

Ainge and the Celtics will be crazy to pay a player who only averages 13-14 points per game 30m per year.

The problem with your theory is that the reason bigs are more valuable is due to defensive importance, not an offense, and Jaylen can defend bigs better than Sabonis can. If it came down to one play and Al Horford or Giannis or Vucevic or even Embiid has the ball on the block, I'd rather have Jaylen covering him instead of Sabonis.

Jaylen has never successfully covered any of the bigs you mentioned.

I have seen Semi Ojeleye successfully containing Giannis in the 2018 playoffs, but not Jaylen.

Brad Stevens has also not used Jaylen on Embiid.

Same thing against Orlando, Brad didn't let Jaylen defend Vucevic.

So saying that Jaylen can cover bigs is simply not true.

That's not what he said. He said he rather have JB on them than Sabonis. As in Sabonis is that bad on defense.

Saying that Sabonis is bad on defense is false.

There's no scouting report on Sabonis that says Sabonis is bad on defense.

I don't need a scouting report, I watch games.

Only fair excuse Sabonis has is he isn't a PF and the miscommunication he has with teammates on a nightly basis does not help his defense.

I also watch games and my conclusion is he's not bad on defense like Kanter.

There's just no way Nate McMillan will give him that many minutes if he's bad on defense.

Well its good to know he's not as bad as literally maybe the defensive regular rotation big in the league. Sabonis is a below average defensive big.