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Title: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: celticsclay on April 15, 2018, 11:19:09 PM
As many on this site have pointed out over the course of the year, Cleveland is vulnerable. Lebron looks slow and it is love and a bunch of role players. If we had Irving and Hayward we could be living that life
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: hpantazo on April 15, 2018, 11:22:43 PM
Yeah, its a missed opportunity this year, but the Celtics will get much better next year, Cleveland will not. If anything, they will get worse. I don't see Toronto getting better either. Its our conference to own for several years, with maybe a challenge from the Sixers if they take the next step.

On the bright side, our young guys , Tatum, Brown and Rozier, are getting some prime experience in these playoffs.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: SparzWizard on April 15, 2018, 11:31:16 PM
Next year is Boston's year and Boston's conference.

Unless the Philadelphia 76ers want to challenge us.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: CelticsElite on April 15, 2018, 11:35:57 PM
Even worse... If Lebron goes to Philly (which there is suddenly a very real possibility), we will really have our hands full

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I believe they have the cap space to pull it off


Embiid looks like Hakeem and Simmons resembles magic johnson. If you were lebron chasing michael jordan, how could you say no to this situation at least for the next 2 years to try out?
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: SparzWizard on April 15, 2018, 11:38:04 PM
Even worse... If Lebron goes to Philly (which there is suddenly a very real possibility), we will really have our hands full

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I believe they have the cap space to pull it off

LeBron will want to stay in the East if he wants to win. Wouldn't make sense for him to go West.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: CelticsElite on April 15, 2018, 11:39:02 PM
Even worse... If Lebron goes to Philly (which there is suddenly a very real possibility), we will really have our hands full

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I believe they have the cap space to pull it off

LeBron will want to stay in the East if he wants to win. Wouldn't make sense for him to go West.
Philly is in the east so yeah I agree

I think Philly is a bigger contender for lebron than Lakers or rockets.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: gouki88 on April 15, 2018, 11:39:27 PM
It's okay, next year will be the first of our 3-peat
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on April 16, 2018, 12:16:55 AM
Well, Kyrie chose not to play.  There was never a chance of Gordy coming back this year.  And GSW would still be overwhelming favorites.  So no, next year should be good.  That said, GSW returns their core next year; Philly could add a max FA; and we return Kyrie. 
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: keevsnick on April 16, 2018, 01:15:28 AM
We've had an incredible run of luck the last five years. From hitting on our top draft picks, to signing major free agents. So i have a hard time being too upset about the injury plagued year, especially since I've enjoyed watching the young guys.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: JSD on April 16, 2018, 02:11:20 AM
We've had an incredible run of luck the last five years. From hitting on our top draft picks, to signing major free agents. So i have a hard time being too upset about the injury plagued year, especially since I've enjoyed watching the young guys.

This is where I am. What Ainge was able to do after dismantling, only missing the playoffs 1 time and building a legitimate contender. Remarkable. Should be Executive of The Year.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Androslav on April 16, 2018, 02:15:05 AM
We've had an incredible run of luck the last five years. From hitting on our top draft picks, to signing major free agents. So i have a hard time being too upset about the injury plagued year, especially since I've enjoyed watching the young guys.
TP.
I got over it too and it feels like we are playing with house money.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 16, 2018, 07:39:44 AM
Tatum already plays like a vet .   He'll be fully grown next year and even more sharp with his skill set.

Rotating Hayward and Tatum in and out will keep the pressure on our opponents.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: RockinRyA on April 16, 2018, 07:43:44 AM
Well, Kyrie chose not to play.  There was never a chance of Gordy coming back this year.  And GSW would still be overwhelming favorites.  So no, next year should be good.  That said, GSW returns their core next year; Philly could add a max FA; and we return Kyrie.

He wanted to play, Stevens said so. But it was decided by the medical staff that he should get the surgery coz its better in the long run.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Sketch5 on April 16, 2018, 07:47:36 AM
While it sucks what happen to Gordon, and then Irving,Smart and Theis. It could be better in the long run.

First it shows that Smart is needed for his Defensive leadership. I don't think we go into overtime with him on the floor. Yeah his shooting is sketchy at best, but he brings it on D which for what ever reason gets everyone else to.

Also Brown and Tatum are getting their hands dirty in the playoffs by being the main focal points of the offense. Horford had to step up a bit, and Rozier got it going and showed his clutch in the second half.

With out moving Horford, the Cs can't add much with out gutting the bench and then who are you left with? This is great for the bench and end, and FAR end of the bench guys for next season. 
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: jambr380 on April 16, 2018, 08:11:05 AM
Well, Kyrie chose not to play.  There was never a chance of Gordy coming back this year.  And GSW would still be overwhelming favorites.  So no, next year should be good.  That said, GSW returns their core next year; Philly could add a max FA; and we return Kyrie.

He wanted to play, Stevens said so. But it was decided by the medical staff that he should get the surgery coz its better in the long run.

He'd pretty much be playing right now if not for the bacterial infection. Yes, he chose to have the wire removed, but that's because it was assumed he would be back and ready for the playoffs. I don't think Kyrie had any intention of blowing off the rest of the season when he had the initial minor procedure.

But, yeah, I am a little upset. This team healthy would steamroll the East. Let's just hope Lebron doesn't go to Philly or they don't acquire some other star player. Even after the Embiid contract they have a ton to spend and can do a lot better than Redick.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: moiso on April 16, 2018, 08:20:24 AM
We've had an incredible run of luck the last five years. From hitting on our top draft picks, to signing major free agents. So i have a hard time being too upset about the injury plagued year, especially since I've enjoyed watching the young guys.
Another TP.  I'm over any disappointment.  Despite the injuries I've really enjoyed this team all year and yesterday's game was awesome.  And it's been said a million times, but this is great for Tatum and Brown's development.  They are being relied upon so much.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: satch on April 16, 2018, 08:38:23 AM
We've had an incredible run of luck the last five years. From hitting on our top draft picks, to signing major free agents. So i have a hard time being too upset about the injury plagued year, especially since I've enjoyed watching the young guys.
Another TP.  I'm over any disappointment.  Despite the injuries I've really enjoyed this team all year and yesterday's game was awesome.  And it's been said a million times, but this is great for Tatum and Brown's development.  They are being relied upon so much.
Don't forget Rozier..The current and future point guard for the C's. He plays both ends of the floor, can drive, pass, rebound and play athletic defense. Did I leave out young with no ego.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Green-18 on April 16, 2018, 08:54:25 AM
We've had an incredible run of luck the last five years. From hitting on our top draft picks, to signing major free agents. So i have a hard time being too upset about the injury plagued year, especially since I've enjoyed watching the young guys.
Another TP.  I'm over any disappointment.  Despite the injuries I've really enjoyed this team all year and yesterday's game was awesome.  And it's been said a million times, but this is great for Tatum and Brown's development.  They are being relied upon so much.

I'm also over the disappointment.  I love everything about this group.  I wont let "what if" ruin such a likable team.  The journey has always mattered to me as a fan.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Donoghus on April 16, 2018, 09:00:30 AM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow. 

However next season, if healthy, this team will be absolutely loaded.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: moiso on April 16, 2018, 09:35:37 AM
We've had an incredible run of luck the last five years. From hitting on our top draft picks, to signing major free agents. So i have a hard time being too upset about the injury plagued year, especially since I've enjoyed watching the young guys.
Another TP.  I'm over any disappointment.  Despite the injuries I've really enjoyed this team all year and yesterday's game was awesome.  And it's been said a million times, but this is great for Tatum and Brown's development.  They are being relied upon so much.
Don't forget Rozier..The current and future point guard for the C's. He plays both ends of the floor, can drive, pass, rebound and play athletic defense. Did I leave out young with no ego.
Oh, I think Rozier’s ego will become apparent as he gets better and establishes himself.  I’m pretty sure there is a pretty good ego in there waiting to come out.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: kozlodoev on April 16, 2018, 09:39:20 AM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow.
Why wasn't anyone frustrated when the Cavaliers imploded though?
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Fafnir on April 16, 2018, 09:44:59 AM
After KG delayed his surgery and looked so much better in 10-11, I'm firm on not waiting to get needed things done. But yeah it really sucks, it could have been a Title/Finals run if Hayward/Kyrie/etc are all available for the playoffs and majority of the year.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Donoghus on April 16, 2018, 09:47:51 AM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow.
Why wasn't anyone frustrated when the Cavaliers imploded though?

Huh?
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: droopdog7 on April 16, 2018, 02:31:44 PM
Yeah, opportunity missed for sure.  I would have LOVED a punchers chance the Warriors this year with a full squad.  Hopefully we get that shot next year.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: PhoSita on April 16, 2018, 02:35:12 PM
As disappointing as it is to know they could probably make a deep run if not for injuries, I still don't think they'd really have a shot at the title.

So, given that, I'm content to watch Tatum do amazing things as a rookie, Brown develop, Horford prove all his critics are idiots, Terry earn a fat contract for some other team that will give the Celts some juicy trade assets, and Brad continue to show why he's a top 5 coach in the league. 

Just remember, we could be Kings fans.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: footey on April 16, 2018, 02:42:18 PM
Am I the only one who hasn’t given up on the possibility of us winning Eastern Conf this year.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on April 16, 2018, 02:44:14 PM
Even with the injuries, I give this team a punchers chance for several reasons: 1) Number of players who can create offense 2) Versatility and size 3) Tough and smart defense 4) CBS
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 16, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
As disappointing as it is to know they could probably make a deep run if not for injuries, I still don't think they'd really have a shot at the title.

So, given that, I'm content to watch Tatum do amazing things as a rookie, Brown develop, Horford prove all his critics are idiots, Terry earn a fat contract for some other team that will give the Celts some juicy trade assets, and Brad continue to show why he's a top 5 coach in the league. 

Just remember, we could be Kings fans.

I work with a Kings fan, and he's bummed because the Kings didn't win enough to make the playoffs AND they won too much to really have a shot at a top-3 pick.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: PhoSita on April 16, 2018, 03:27:40 PM
As disappointing as it is to know they could probably make a deep run if not for injuries, I still don't think they'd really have a shot at the title.

So, given that, I'm content to watch Tatum do amazing things as a rookie, Brown develop, Horford prove all his critics are idiots, Terry earn a fat contract for some other team that will give the Celts some juicy trade assets, and Brad continue to show why he's a top 5 coach in the league. 

Just remember, we could be Kings fans.

I work with a Kings fan, and he's bummed because the Kings didn't win enough to make the playoffs AND they won too much to really have a shot at a top-3 pick.

In other words, it was yet another typical Kings season.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: liam on April 16, 2018, 03:30:29 PM
Am I the only one who hasn’t given up on the possibility of us winning Eastern Conf this year.

I haven't given up hope for #18!
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: GreenEnvy on April 16, 2018, 03:34:36 PM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow. 

However next season, if healthy, this team will be absolutely loaded.

The scary/sad part is we don’t even know what this team is capable of at full strength.

We saw how good they could even without key pieces, and that was good enough to take the East.

To go an entire season without ever seeing your 8-9 best players suit up together sucks.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Androslav on April 16, 2018, 03:34:44 PM
Am I the only one who hasn’t given up on the possibility of us winning Eastern Conf this year.

I haven't given up hope for #18!
Freedooom!
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Erik on April 16, 2018, 04:39:40 PM
As many on this site have pointed out over the course of the year, Cleveland is vulnerable. Lebron looks slow and it is love and a bunch of role players. If we had Irving and Hayward we could be living that life

Yes, but LeBron isn't degraded yet. Don't let 1 bad game fool you and I apologize if my anti-LeBron posts have caused confusion. The key takeaway from this is that he HAS BEGUN the decline. This means in ~2 more years, he will just be a really good player (roughly where Horford is now -- top 30 or so) and not the poisonous wall that has impeded us for 15 years (the guy who basically scored whenever he wanted).

I think that in general, we must be happy. Tatum has signs of "multiple time allstar" as a floor now instead of a ceiling and Brown appears to be getting there as well. Kyrie is just entering his prime. Hayward doesn't need to be the 2nd option anymore. Isn't that scary? Hayward can be the 3rd or 4th option on a basketball team. And Al Horford's contract is ending soon... I can totally see him bypassing money to give us a good MLE contract for the titles. We also have 1 more year of Rozier, Morris, and Theis on an insane budget ( combined under $10 mil next season).

We also did it without selling our fans out by charging them a ton of money while losing on purpose.

There are a lot of things to be upset about, but thankfully they all happened in the same season instead of scattered like what happened with the big 3 era.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: SparzWizard on April 16, 2018, 05:04:08 PM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow. 

However next season, if healthy, this team will be absolutely loaded.

The scary/sad part is we don’t even know what this team is capable of at full strength.

We saw how good they could even without key pieces, and that was good enough to take the East.

To go an entire season without ever seeing your 8-9 best players suit up together sucks.

Now teams will be game-planning for the Celtics seriously next season as they have their analyses on Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Morris and the likes of those guys. What they will be missing is Gordon Hayward. I expect some dominating stats from Hayward next year in green.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: kozlodoev on April 16, 2018, 05:41:31 PM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow.
Why wasn't anyone frustrated when the Cavaliers imploded though?

Huh?
Huh what? Lament our streak of bad luck, but ignore the bad luck of other teams as given? Sure, the East is "wide open", but this is also partially due to the misfortune of other teams (mostly the Cleveland Cavaliers).
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Donoghus on April 16, 2018, 06:00:01 PM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow.
Why wasn't anyone frustrated when the Cavaliers imploded though?

Huh?
Huh what? Lament our streak of bad luck, but ignore the bad luck of other teams as given? Sure, the East is "wide open", but this is also partially due to the misfortune of other teams (mostly the Cleveland Cavaliers).

Probably because I don't give a [dang] nor root for those other teams.

Why should I give a [dang] about the Cavaliers?
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: GreenEnvy on April 16, 2018, 06:25:20 PM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow.
Why wasn't anyone frustrated when the Cavaliers imploded though?

Huh?
Huh what? Lament our streak of bad luck, but ignore the bad luck of other teams as given? Sure, the East is "wide open", but this is also partially due to the misfortune of other teams (mostly the Cleveland Cavaliers).

What misfortune for Cleveland?

I don’t consider trading their second-best star for an injured star and that not working out “misfortune.”

Seems like they constructed a poor roster twice in the past 8 months.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: jambr380 on April 16, 2018, 06:36:45 PM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow.
Why wasn't anyone frustrated when the Cavaliers imploded though?

Huh?
Huh what? Lament our streak of bad luck, but ignore the bad luck of other teams as given? Sure, the East is "wide open", but this is also partially due to the misfortune of other teams (mostly the Cleveland Cavaliers).

I didn't realize Cleveland was without their two best players plus one of the best defensive players in the league to begin their playoff run.

If you mean that they traded their 2nd best player in a deal that many thought was lopsided in their favor - no, I don't feel bad for them. That was the choice of team management, not horrible injury luck. Heck, Cleveland is solely responsible for Hayward's injury and may not have disclosed the extent of Kyrie's injury. Why in the world would we feel bad for Cleveland?

As for Sixers, I feel The Process was a total joke and Embiid will be back soon anyway. And Toronto has had nothing but good luck the entire season.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: celticsclay on April 16, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
Yeah,  it's frustrating.   The East is clearly there for the taking.  Knowing what this team can do, when healthy, makes it more difficult to swallow.
Why wasn't anyone frustrated when the Cavaliers imploded though?

Huh?
Huh what? Lament our streak of bad luck, but ignore the bad luck of other teams as given? Sure, the East is "wide open", but this is also partially due to the misfortune of other teams (mostly the Cleveland Cavaliers).

What misfortune for Cleveland?

I don’t consider trading their second-best star for an injured star and that not working out “misfortune.”

Seems like they constructed a poor roster twice in the past 8 months.

Yea I don't know what misfortune Cavs have had...
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: Dino Pitino on April 16, 2018, 07:36:32 PM
Am I the only one who hasn’t given up on the possibility of us winning Eastern Conf this year.

They might still have the best defense in the league, right? And will have Smart returning to only make it better. Anything is possible.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: chilidawg on April 16, 2018, 10:37:35 PM
Am I the only one who hasn’t given up on the possibility of us winning Eastern Conf this year.

They might still have the best defense in the league, right? And will have Smart returning to only make it better. Anything is possible.

Championship is within our grasp.  I'm not counting us out for anything.  Too much heart.
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: CelticsElite on April 16, 2018, 10:52:30 PM
Am I the only one who hasn’t given up on the possibility of us winning Eastern Conf this year.

They might still have the best defense in the league, right? And will have Smart returning to only make it better. Anything is possible.
don't forget Hayward is always possible for game 7 of the finals.  Anyone for or against bringing him back in the 4th quarter in a wheelchair  like pierce?
Title: Re: Anyone else p---ed?
Post by: gouki88 on April 16, 2018, 11:49:04 PM
Am I the only one who hasn’t given up on the possibility of us winning Eastern Conf this year.

They might still have the best defense in the league, right? And will have Smart returning to only make it better. Anything is possible.
don't forget Hayward is always possible for game 7 of the finals.  Anyone for or against bringing him back in the 4th quarter in a wheelchair  like pierce?
Just stand him in the corner. He can always hit that shot, right