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Updated Rookie Scouting Report in Boston Globe
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Gary Washburn, who is becoming my favorite reporter for his fine work, provided an article in today's Boston Globe, in which he interviewed coaches and local TV analysts who really know our new rookies. 

The local TV analyst's report on Langford is not good, saying he is a bad shooter, and that the thumb has little to do with it. He does think he can correct it.

See below:

The Celtics spent last Thursday trying to alter their tattered culture, taking four quality college players in the draft who all could have an eventual impact on the team’s future and who could serve as a quartet to lead the Celtics into success in the next decade.

Two of the players are from the Big Ten conference. First-round pick Romeo Langford (14th overall) was an all-conference second team during his lone season at Indiana. Carsen Edwards, taken 33rd overall, was a first-teamer from Purdue who scored 42 points twice during the Boilermakers’ run to the Elite Eight.

We talked to former Indiana coach and ESPN college basketball analyst Dan Dakich about Langford and Edwards. And if you’ve watched or listened to Dakich, he doesn’t hesitate at offering his honest opinion. He assessed both players, starting with Langford.

“He quite frankly can’t shoot,” Dakich said. “He can get to the rim, but he’s got a bad hitch in his stroke, and he’s going to have to get that figured out. Everybody around here [Indiana], because they love him, he’s a great kid and all that, they made excuses. He hurt his thumb, and maybe he did, but he’s never been a great shooter. But I tell you what, the kid can get to the rim.”

Langford has the skills to be a productive shooting guard, but perhaps his draft stock was tainted by the Hoosiers’ 19-16 record, which included 12 conference losses in 13 games and a first-round loss in the Big Ten tournament.

“They had a bad mix,” Dakich said. “Something happened in the locker room, and some people point to Langford. I don’t know what happened. They went from 12-2 to losing 12 in a row. He was coming out no matter what. He’s a really nice kid and a really good kid. I would expect he would get that shooting thing worked out.”

Can Langford become a plus defender? Dakich said he wasn’t asked to be a defensive factor at Indiana because he had so much offensive responsibility.

“I think he should be a defender,” Dakich said. “Romeo just needs a little more experience playing against good players. “He doesn’t play with a great deal of zest — not nonchalant but kind of goes about his business. He averaged 16 as a freshman. Truthfully, he didn’t do a lot to help teams win. He got to the rim once in a while late in games, but he’s going to have to shoot it, and that’s not really his strong suit. He’s an NBA guy because he can get to the basket. He goes right, strong, he finishes really well, and he’s got a really good body.”

Dakich is a big fan of Edwards, who averaged 24.6 points during his junior season.

“That dude comes out of the gym shooting,” Dakich said. “I did a game. He shot 4 of 22 against Indiana. Everybody reminds you of somebody else back in the day, and the way he shoots his shot way behind of his head, he does remind me of Vinnie Johnson. And he’s all score, man. He’s built like a bowling ball. He’s just strong.

“In the modern NBA, where scoring is at a premium, he’ll come in and he will be scoring or trying to score. They’ve got two guys who can put points on the board in different ways. He is a confident, athletic, strong scorer, and he doesn’t dominate the ball. He’s dynamite running off baseline screens. He’s fantastic at it. He can play off the ball.”

Dakich said he texted with Celtics coach Brad Stevens after the draft, who expressed excitement about landing two quality players with Indiana roots.

“Brad is excited because he knows the kids really well,” Dakich said.

“He’s very comfortable with both of these kids not only as players but with social media and all the other things you have to deal with.”

We next talked with SEC Network analyst Pat Bradley, an Everett native who played at Arkansas in the late 1990s and left school as the conference’s all-time leading 3-point shooter. Bradley said he thinks highly of Tennessee forward Grant Williams and Louisiana State’s Tremont Waters.

“I see Grant Williams and there’s a guy he reminds me of in Corliss Williamson,” Bradley said. “What was so special was [Williamson’s] ability to change his body and his game from college to the NBA. He not only had to learn how to play on the wing but defend wing players. The thing about Grant is he is a deceptively quick jumper. He’s a great shot blocker because he can anticipate off the floor. He uses his body really well.

“The other thing I love about Grant Williams is he knows how to get to the free throw line. That’s going to help him out. He’s rugged. He’s durable. He’s developed his jump shot. He’s a willing passer, but when you talk about Grant Williams, his mind is in the right place, his heart in the right place. I just know Grant is going to improve his shooting, and he will grow as a player.”

Waters was the SEC defensive player of the year and led LSU to the Sweet 16 as a sophomore.

Said Bradley: “His vision and body control. His fearlessness. He does not back down from taking the big shot. He had the ability. He’s a high IQ guy. He can knock down the NBA 3. He could have a long NBA career, that’s for sure. He’s definitely an advanced-thinking point guard. He’s definitely a very talented player. He’s got that little general feel about him to lead.

“They are two players who have had to think the game their whole careers, and they aren’t about to stop now.”

Re: Updated Rookie Scouting Report in Boston Globe
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2019, 08:46:36 AM »

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He had a silkie smoothe jumper before hurting his thumb. Go watch his HS mix tapes.

His stroke looked slot like Avery Bradley at same age.

Shame on his coach at Indiana for forgetting one of the reasons he was so highly recruited.

I'm far less worried about his stroke as I am with his AB/ Jaylen level ball handling.

I'm legit shocked at his coaches short term memory on his player.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2019, 08:55:15 AM »

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Smooth stroke, what? He's had a hitch in his shot in all the videos I've seen. Its the one universal thought I've seen on him as a player, his jump shot needs tweaking/work.

Something I heard from one of the analysts after he was picked was that one of the reasons his thumb injury messed up his shot so much is that he has his thumb on the ball in a way that isn't prototypical.


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His stroke looked slot like Avery Bradley at same age.
Wait is this supposed to terrify me or comfort me?

Because let me tell you it does not comfort me.

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2019, 08:58:16 AM »

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"I don’t know what happened. They went from 12-2 to losing 12 in a row...."

"they made excuses. He hurt his thumb, and maybe he did, but..."

It seems he answered his own question.  A torn ligament in the thumb of your strong hand is going to affect many parts of your game.

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2019, 09:00:29 AM »

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He had a silkie smoothe jumper before hurting his thumb. Go watch his HS mix tapes.

His stroke looked slot like Avery Bradley at same age.

Shame on his coach at Indiana for forgetting one of the reasons he was so highly recruited.

I'm far less worried about his stroke as I am with his AB/ Jaylen level ball handling.

I'm legit shocked at his coaches short term memory on his player.

The quotes are from a former Indiana coach, now ESPN broadcaster, not Langford's Indiana coach.

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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2019, 09:05:55 AM »

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His stroke looked slot like Avery Bradley at same age.
Wait is this supposed to terrify me or comfort me?

Because let me tell you it does not comfort me.

Avery has a nice stroke he's just woefully undersized and can't create for himself and wasn't a good finisher at the rim.

His shooting form is not why it scares you it's the FG% which won't be an issue for Romeo.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2019, 09:12:27 AM »

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Smooth stroke, what? He's had a hitch in his shot in all the videos I've seen. Its the one universal thought I've seen on him as a player, his jump shot needs tweaking/work.

Something I heard from one of the analysts after he was picked was that one of the reasons his thumb injury messed up his shot so much is that he has his thumb on the ball in a way that isn't prototypical.

I see a really nice stroke. I do not see even a slight hitch in his high school tapes. I see a smooth high release.

We can agree to disagree on what a good looking shot is.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2019, 09:19:28 AM »

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It sounds CBS hand picked some high character guys for our locker room culture.  He will get the best out of them. No more TMZ drama!!!

I like it! The Lebron style of NBA that Kyrie wanted just doesnt fit Boston's culture.
Once you are labeled 'the best' you want to stay up there, and you can't do it by loafing around.
 
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His stroke looked slot like Avery Bradley at same age.
Wait is this supposed to terrify me or comfort me?

Because let me tell you it does not comfort me.

Avery has a nice stroke he's just woefully undersized and can't create for himself and wasn't a good finisher at the rim.

His shooting form is not why it scares you it's the FG% which won't be an issue for Romeo.
I do tend to be concerned about how often the ball goes in the hoop.

FWIW Avery's problems shooting was not limited to his rim shots or ability to create space. He also was never very good at hitting open shots. Go look at his catch and shoot numbers.

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It sounds CBS hand picked some high character guys for our locker room culture.  He will get the best out of them. No more TMZ drama!!!

I like it! The Lebron style of NBA that Kyrie wanted just doesnt fit Boston's culture.
Wut?

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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2019, 09:37:21 AM »

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It sounds CBS hand picked some high character guys for our locker room culture.  He will get the best out of them. No more TMZ drama!!!

I like it! The Lebron style of NBA that Kyrie wanted just doesnt fit Boston's culture.
Wut?

The constant me 1st attention,  the trade all your teammates for AD, the talking out of both sides of your mouth interviews. That crap doesn't fly in Boston.  Russell, Cowens, Bird, and KG would not allow a diva in their lock room.
Once you are labeled 'the best' you want to stay up there, and you can't do it by loafing around.
 
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