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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on November 02, 2012, 05:23:46 PM
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I want shot blocking back in a trade. He doesn't do that. But we could start two seven footers, and the starting five would be much more talented, and the offense could be awesome.
For Toronto They Get a future starting Five of Kyle Lowry, Derozan, Green, Sully, and Melo. Not bad they stink anyway.
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No interested one bit in Bargs.
We need another big who can take the defensive/rebounding burden off of KG, not a player who'd put even more of a burden on KG!
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I think Bargani would be pretty good on offense with Rondo,but play zero defense,can't rebound and seems really soft. Unless we are getting him for Bass and Lee, no thanks.
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If the Celtics wanted someone with the rebounding skills of Bargnani, they could have just kept Ryan Hollins around.
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I'd take the other 7-footer from Toronto, Jonas Valanciunas ...
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Is this thread a joke? Seriously Bargnani?! :o
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I am hoping, really hoping, that Sully and Green can have great performances tonight. Not because I think it will mean anything (it's only 1 game), but so there can be a reprieve from Green/Sully trade talk. I know trade talk is all in fun and curiosity, but I would love a moratorium for 20-25 games to just get know the current team without thinking about changes. Of course the easier thing would be for me not to read trade threads. Sorry.
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I am hoping, really hoping, that Sully and Green can have great performances tonight. Not because I think it will mean anything (it's only 1 game), but so there can be a reprieve from Green/Sully trade talk. I know trade talk is all in fun and curiosity, but I would love a moratorium for 20-25 games to just get know the current team without thinking about changes. Of course the easier thing would be for me not to read trade threads. Sorry.
People are antsy, nothing new. I, however, think our best basketball will start after the Allstar break... like Doc has said, we are going to be very good, we aren't their yet, BUT he thinks we are still good enough to win games (like, we should have beaten Mia). I see us winning the games we should, but under-perform (but still win), against the tougher competition. I hope we don't ruin a season by a trade because it is so tough to gain chemistry, then if you get a "star", it's going to be even harder for them to accept the role Doc gives them in that short time (how would "Smith" really handle getting less shots, not even being the second star, and learning the defense in a short period?). When you make trades you factor in more than how good a player is (if you didn't, DWest would have a job easily, instead of begging on Twitter)!
I'm on the stick with what we have train!!!!
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non starter
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no, dudes not a center, next
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I am the probably the biggest Bargs fan in this forum, and even I would say no to this. We do not need a forward who cannot help defend and not a rebounder. I understand that, at best he'll give 16-18 points a night, but it just something that we don't need.
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Not to nit-pick, but this thread (and others like it) should have "proposal" in the title.
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The first (that I've read) of the 1,000,000 inevitable posts about ridding ourselves of Jeff Green's absurd contract by adding in Sully or Bradley for a good but not great player in return. Ugh.
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Bargnani is actually a very good defender at his position, since he was moved from C to PF and got a defensive minded coach. His opponent PER according to 82games.com went from 21.3 in 2010-11 to 14.3 in 2011-12. This stat also passed the eye test. He can stay in front of most PFs and he has great reach.
However, this proposed trade would leave a huge hole behind Pierce at SF. And I would rather keep Sullinger, than build around Bargnani after the end of the Pierce/Garnett era.
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I wouldnt even trade Sully for Bargnani straight up. Waaaay too much to give up for a mediocre one trick pony.
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BargnaNo thanks ;D
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You do realize Bargnani sucks right?
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(http://2.media.todaysbigthing.cvcdn.com/95/29/641fcffad4e8fa6a2abec3da6af71d66.gif).
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Yea that's a no. If anything try to get Amir Johnson like other people have been suggesting. His minutes have been decreasing in Toronto so maybe he could be had. Marcin Gortat is another stretch as well with Phoenix probably sucking for the foreseeable future, plus he is making 7 million this year.
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Bargnani is a good player, a talented scorer and a mediocre defender. Sounds a lot like Bass to me.
I would trade Bass+Lee for Bargnani and a 1st rounder. That matches salaries and gets us what will be a good pick for next year. I don't love the idea of trading Lee after he chose to sign here for less money but in reality it's a business and he came here because we're a winning organization. We win because we have a good GM who gets us talent and a good coach who uses it effectively.
I think for a move this lateral I'd probably just keep our guys but I do like the idea of having a 1st from a lottery team.
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Bargnani is actually a very good defender at his position, since he was moved from C to PF and got a defensive minded coach. His opponent PER according to 82games.com went from 21.3 in 2010-11 to 14.3 in 2011-12. This stat also passed the eye test. He can stay in front of most PFs and he has great reach.
However, this proposed trade would leave a huge hole behind Pierce at SF. And I would rather keep Sullinger, than build around Bargnani after the end of the Pierce/Garnett era.
I agree.
He actually is a good low post defender. Knows how to use his size and long hands. The problem is his help defense. He seems to be always lost when rotating. His pick and roll defense is also bad. And his rebounding is ughhhh.
I wouldn't really mind having him. I think if he's utilized properly he's a matchup nightmare for some. But not right now, we need someone who can help defend as KG couldn't not do it as we'll as it is before. We need a rebounding forward, Bargs is something we don't need righ now.
And even if we need him, I won't so it for that proposal. I'll keep Sully and Melo.
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Oh hell no...I mean no offense by this, but that's one of the worst trade suggestions I've seen on these forums since I've been a member (and there have been some pretty bad ones).
1. He is a jump shooting big. We don't need any more jump shooting big men.
2. He has a horribly inefficient scorer - 44% FG (for his career) is an absolute joke for a 7 foot center.
3. He cannot rebound to save his life. Hell his career average of 4.9 RPG (in 30 MPG!!) is so [dang] bad that it makes Brandon Bass look like Kevin Love by comparison!
This year he is averaging 13.8 PPG on 33% shooting and 3.3 RPG in 30 MPG.
His last season in Boston (widely considered the worse 20 game sample of his career) Jeff Green averaged 10 PPG on 48% shooting and 3.3 RPG in 22 MPG.
Bargnani has barely contributed more in 30 MPG then Green did in 22 MPG that season, so why would you give up Green AND two high-potential propects for this guy?
Plus to add to all that the guy is injury plagued and has missed 40% of his games over the last two seasons. Yeah, looking at Boston's past injury history that is JUST what we need!
No thanks...
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I think Bargani would be pretty good on offense with Rondo,but play zero defense,can't rebound and seems really soft. Unless we are getting him for Bass and Lee, no thanks.
No chance in hell I would give up Bass and Lee for this guy. I wouldn't give up Bass or Lee straight up for him...no way in hell.
I understand that, at best he'll give 16-18 points a night
On 40% shooting ;D
I wouldnt even trade Sully for Bargnani straight up. Waaaay too much to give up for a mediocre one trick pony.
Agreed :)
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I'd take the other 7-footer from Toronto, Jonas Valanciunas ...
Yeah well it would take a whole lot more than Jeff Green plus trash to land him. LOL. Toronto would be stupid to trade that guy right now.
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More importantly why would Toronto trade Bargs to one of their division rivals? Also they are actually a very fun team to watch. They aren't going to ruin that for an unproven second tier wing and two rookies.