Are the Knicks serious?

[Fafnir]

But the stats doesn't mean anything when you talking about SCORING ABILITY. Its obvious Carmelo is better

Post moves in the paint: Carmelo is better
3 point shot: Carmelo is better
17 ft shot: Carmelo is better
One on one: Carmelo is better
Cutting: Lebron

Do you care about how many pretty ways Carmelo can score more than how often he does it in the game (and gets points for his team)?

Is Big Al a better scorer than Shaq/Howard? He certainly has a better 18 foot jumpshot, "refined post game", and free throw shooting on both of them.

Yeah ask Dwight Howard about his lack of "pretty" ways he scores in the paint, and see if his deficiencies helps him score in the clutch moments in the 4th quarter

Dwight has an actual problem with the late fourth quarter situations because of his free throw shooting.

LeBron has no such problems over his career, and since you didn't actually answer my question I'll assume you prefer "skillset" to production.

If Carmelo is a better scorer why does he score less and score less efficiently?

I did answer it Carmelo has better production. But better production doesn't equate a team producing wins, you know that right? Like Michael Redd scoring 57 points in a loss because his team sucks

Its obvious his efficiency is lower when you are basically the only consistent scorer putting up points for your team for so many years. Look at those "lowly" Cavs teams Lebron was on. He had a plethora of scoring options on his team. Maybe Iverson, JR Smith, and Billups were the only scorers Carmelo ever had before he came to the Knicks

Paul Pierce's efficiency improved when the Big 3 came, and why is that? Because he had alot more help with the scoring load



Free throw shooting has nothing to do with problems with late game production. Just ask Shaq. He said it himself, if you dominate with the "pretty skillset" as you say, free throw shooting doesn't matter as much as you think

Why in almost 10 years of playing, Lebron still doesn't have a consistent 17 ft jumpshoot as a perimeter player? Or even basic post moves in the paint? It's those skillset moves that get you out of trouble when the defense is tight and the game slows down (AKA the last 5 min of the 4th quarter)

LeBron does have a pretty good jumper now, and he's a solid 3 point shooter as well.

He shot a higher percentage on his jump shots than Carmelo Anthony last year.

While his post moves aren't pretty they're also rather effective when he goes to them.

In clutch situations LeBron has consistently produced more than Anthony over his career, both in points and based on creating points for others.

[Fafnir]

But the stats doesn't mean anything when you talking about SCORING ABILITY. Its obvious Carmelo is better

Post moves in the paint: Carmelo is better
3 point shot: Carmelo is better
17 ft shot: Carmelo is better
One on one: Carmelo is better
Cutting: Lebron

Do you care about how many pretty ways Carmelo can score more than how often he does it in the game (and gets points for his team)?

Is Big Al a better scorer than Shaq/Howard? He certainly has a better 18 foot jumpshot, "refined post game", and free throw shooting on both of them.

It's not about frequency he's talking about versatility.  If LeBron went out there and took 40 shots a night and averaged 50 like Wilt that wouldn't change his scoring ABILITY.  Teammates and quality of looks and the other thousand variables during a 48 minute game are never going to allow you to compare any way other than subjectively.  One way I personally think makes a lot of sense is to look at who's better at scoring when they have to, under pressure, when they're trying their hardest to put the ball through the net (aka in the clutch).

Carmelo isn't a better scorer because he's more makes a higher percentage of shot attempts, he's a better scorer because he's better from everywhere on the court.  He takes and makes harder shots than LeBron.  He pulls up for more jump shots to make the defense pay for cheating.  Taking less efficient shots hurts your numbers but it doesn't say everything about your scoring ability. 

Carmelo is harder to stop from scoring.  LeBron is harder to stop period because you have to account for his passing.  If you think that makes him a better "scorer" than Carmelo or Durant I just don't see it.

LeBron is just as versatile as Melo though, but he makes better decisions and is a better passer.

Melo is a better pure shooter, but LeBron is no longer a bad shooter and he doesn't force nearly as many bad shots. That sort of decision making is a skill and shouldn't be ignored when you're looking at who's a better scorer.

[scaryjerry]

And mitch ritchmond was better than Michael Jordan 

[OsirusCeltics]

But the stats doesn't mean anything when you talking about SCORING ABILITY. Its obvious Carmelo is better

Post moves in the paint: Carmelo is better
3 point shot: Carmelo is better
17 ft shot: Carmelo is better
One on one: Carmelo is better
Cutting: Lebron

Do you care about how many pretty ways Carmelo can score more than how often he does it in the game (and gets points for his team)?

Is Big Al a better scorer than Shaq/Howard? He certainly has a better 18 foot jumpshot, "refined post game", and free throw shooting on both of them.

Yeah ask Dwight Howard about his lack of "pretty" ways he scores in the paint, and see if his deficiencies helps him score in the clutch moments in the 4th quarter

Dwight has an actual problem with the late fourth quarter situations because of his free throw shooting.

LeBron has no such problems over his career, and since you didn't actually answer my question I'll assume you prefer "skillset" to production.

If Carmelo is a better scorer why does he score less and score less efficiently?

I did answer it Carmelo has better production. But better production doesn't equate a team producing wins, you know that right? Like Michael Redd scoring 57 points in a loss because his team sucks

Its obvious his efficiency is lower when you are basically the only consistent scorer putting up points for your team for so many years. Look at those "lowly" Cavs teams Lebron was on. He had a plethora of scoring options on his team. Maybe Iverson, JR Smith, and Billups were the only scorers Carmelo ever had before he came to the Knicks

Paul Pierce's efficiency improved when the Big 3 came, and why is that? Because he had alot more help with the scoring load



Free throw shooting has nothing to do with problems with late game production. Just ask Shaq. He said it himself, if you dominate with the "pretty skillset" as you say, free throw shooting doesn't matter as much as you think

Why in almost 10 years of playing, Lebron still doesn't have a consistent 17 ft jumpshoot as a perimeter player? Or even basic post moves in the paint? It's those skillset moves that get you out of trouble when the defense is tight and the game slows down (AKA the last 5 min of the 4th quarter)

LeBron does have a pretty good jumper now, and he's a solid 3 point shooter as well.

He shot a higher percentage on his jump shots than Carmelo Anthony last year.

While his post moves aren't pretty they're also rather effective when he goes to them.

In clutch situations LeBron has consistently produced more than Anthony over his career, both in points and based on creating points for others.

Really...Really?
There is no way Lebron is on the same level clutch-wise as Carmelo. Stats would never tell the whole story
BJ Armstrong can have the same shooting percentage from the 3 point line or 17 feet just like Michael Jordan, but you would never see anyone saying BJ is the better scorer

And creating a shot for someone else's clutch shots doesn't make a player clutch. Ibaka could set up Durant for a clutch game winner, it doesn't make Ibaka clutch

Lebron barely makes clutch shots in the the regular season, let alone the playoffs. Carmelo on the other hand can make a clutch shot anywhere on the court, at any time of the season