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Title: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 21, 2018, 10:31:02 PM
Strengths video: https://youtu.be/QVr6qln44cQ
Highlights: https://youtu.be/LwMuMY73Tgo

6’10, 7’5 wing span.

Jay Bilas: Williams is a top 5 athlete in this draft
woj: could be a big 1st round steal at 27 for celtics

Was projected to be taken by the clippers at 12 like a month ago
https://www.thestepien.com/robert-williams/


Strengths: Possesses really nice combination of size and athleticism ... His huge (near 7'6) wingspan allows him to block shots and play bigger than his 6'9 height ... 240 pound frame prevents him from being bullied around the rim ... Moves very well for his size, both with and without the ball ... Does a good job of anticipating where missed shots will go and is very good and getting position inside ... Rebounds the ball high in the air, doesn’t just let the ball come to him ... High rebounding rate on both ends of the court (12% offensive rebound rate, 23.7 defensive rebound rate for his career) ... Rebounds with two hands and grabs boards both inside and outside of his area ... High level shot blocker, uses anticipation, length and vertical to deny shots near the rim ... Has worked to develop an offensive repertoire both facing up and on the low block ... Can use his explosive leaping ability to finish strong around the rim and has the strength to power through contact ... Wants to play a physical brand of basketball which allows him to not only get to the free throw line, but also cause foul trouble for opponents ... Not a black hole in the post, is willing to pass it back out and repost ... Should be able to add muscle to his frame still ... Doesn’t find himself in foul trouble often ... Progressed from lower ranked prospect to a possible lottery

https://youtu.be/FxB5xGa7ZW4
Weaknesses: Has a tendency to leave you wanting more. Disappears for stretches of games, particularly offensively ... Competitive level has been questioned by some ... Doesn’t always seem in control on the court, opponents can speed him up and make him uncomfortable ... Has been working to extend his range, but still lacks any consistency with his jump shot ... Very poor free throw shooter who needs work on his shot mechanics ... Sometimes relies too much on his athleticism ... Still a raw prospect who, despite making a big leap in development his freshman year, didn’t progress nearly as much as a sophomore ... Can become complacent when the offense is flowing through teammates ... Inconsistent performer, especially as a scorer ... Can struggle to make major offensive impact when he doesn’t have the physical advantage over his competition ... Has a habit of posting in space instead of fighting his opponent for position ... Some of his deficiencies have been covered up by playing in Texas A&M’s frontcourt (along with Tyler Davis) where teams can’t double Williams ... Sometimes can find himself out of position defensively, this can likely be remedied with more experience, however ... Was suspended to start sophomore season, raising some red flags ...

Outlook: Williams projects as an athletic, energy guy inside that uses his athleticism to overwhelm less physically gifted players. He still has a lot of development to become a high caliber player at the next level, but if he can expand his game beyond exploiting his physical advantages, he could become a difference maker for a team.



Espn Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths
- Prototype physically. Explosive athlete who covers ground unbelievably and is incredibly fast off his feet. Tremendous lob target.
- Great defensive potential. Blocks shots on the interior and perimeter; switches onto smaller players. No. 1 rebounder and No. 3 shot-blocker among likely draft picks on a per-minute basis.
- Better passer than you might think. Has some upside as a shooter.

Improvement areas
- Doesn't have a consistent means of scoring. Plays very sped-up and settles for jumpers more than you'd hope. Feel for the game is a major work in progress.
- Doesn't always make the type of impact defensively he should. Relies too much on his talent and tools. Bites on fakes. Doesn't box out. Rarely keeps his blocks in bounds.
- Boom-or-bust prospect. No question about his talent, but there are concerns about his motor and overall approach to the game.

Projected role: Rim-protecting, vertical-spacing center
Title: Re: Ainge got his big. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: pearljammer10 on June 21, 2018, 10:32:42 PM
Fantastic pick.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Emmette Bryant on June 21, 2018, 10:38:04 PM
wow never expected him to be available
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 21, 2018, 10:38:45 PM
Could be our Ben Wallace.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chief Macho on June 21, 2018, 10:39:09 PM
Unreal.  Hope he loves basketball.   A couple team suspensions.  Frontrunner.  Love the potential
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 21, 2018, 10:40:23 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Cman on June 21, 2018, 10:40:29 PM
Could be our Ben Wallace.

Ben wallace was a scrappy overachiever. This is a kid with a ton of talent who coasts. We are hoping Stevens lights a fire under him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 21, 2018, 10:40:31 PM
Awesome pick. We won't know until we see him play in an NBA game, but I love his explosive athletic ability. I'm loving the East coast lob city with Kyrie, Jaylen, and Robert Williams.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: esel1000 on June 21, 2018, 10:41:20 PM
Such a great pick at 27... I’m still in shock!
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chris22 on June 21, 2018, 10:42:36 PM
Finally Danny drafts a big, athletic defender and rebounder.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 21, 2018, 10:43:43 PM
Awesome pick. We won't know until we see him play in an NBA game, but I love his explosive athletic ability. I'm loving the East coast lob city with Kyrie, Jaylen, and Robert Williams.
forget lobs. I can see this guy making putbacks easily if any of our elite shooters miss

But lobs are nice too
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 21, 2018, 10:45:10 PM
Could be our Ben Wallace.

Ben wallace was a scrappy overachiever. This is a kid with a ton of talent who coasts. We are hoping Stevens lights a fire under him.

Referring more to his build, hope he can develop Ben’s motor.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 21, 2018, 10:46:23 PM
Awesome pick. We won't know until we see him play in an NBA game, but I love his explosive athletic ability. I'm loving the East coast lob city with Kyrie, Jaylen, and Robert Williams.
forget lobs. I can see this guy making putbacks easily if any of our elite shooters miss

But lobs are nice too
Yes.  Williams is an excellent rebounder.  Hopefully Stevens doesn't have him shooting 3s like he did Sully. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chris22 on June 21, 2018, 10:47:49 PM
I like the fact that he doesn't block the ball out of bounds.

Bill Russell always talks about keeping the blocks in bounds to start the break.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 21, 2018, 10:48:27 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: aingeforthree on June 21, 2018, 10:50:06 PM
Another great value pick by Ainge deep in a draft. Can’t wait to see the guard we get in the 2nd. Finally an athletic 5 who can defend & block shots
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 21, 2018, 10:50:31 PM
Williams will be a nice counter to guys like Tristan Thompson.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 10:50:35 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 21, 2018, 10:50:41 PM
I’m surprised because he’s a non passing non stretch big, but I love the pick.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 21, 2018, 10:51:21 PM
Love getting a late lottery player at 27. He jumps above the rim, is a blocking machine and can throw down beautiful earth shattering dunks. Stevens and our Celtics are the perfect situation for him to hit his talent potential- Exciting!!

Oh, we still have a high lottery pick next year and team still intact.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: BlastFromThePast on June 21, 2018, 10:51:39 PM
Could be our Ben Wallace.


Ben wallace was a scrappy overachiever. This is a kid with a ton of talent who coasts. We are hoping Stevens Smart lights a fire under him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chris22 on June 21, 2018, 10:52:06 PM
Another great value pick by Ainge deep in a draft. Can’t wait to see the guard we get in the 2nd. Finally an athletic 5 who can defend & block shots

That could free up Horford to play the four.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 10:52:34 PM
I’m surprised because he’s a non passing non stretch big, but I love the pick.
Quote
Brad Stevens said Robert Williams has enough of a foundation to become a better passer, ball-handler & outside shooter.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 21, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
I went and watched his strenght video ,  he does look 100x more active and athletic than Fab or JJJ .

But that loser we traded to the Heat was supposed to be the next coming of Dennis Rodman too.  He was awful....awful LOW IQ and totally lost on court at NBa speed.


He appears to have nice reach and timing and decent speed .   Wonder if he has basketball IQ and will work at his game .    Don't want another Oakfor brain dead type.

 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 21, 2018, 10:53:48 PM
welcome!
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 21, 2018, 10:55:29 PM
I’m surprised because he’s a non passing non stretch big, but I love the pick.
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Brad Stevens said Robert Williams has enough of a foundation to become a better passer, ball-handler & outside shooter.

Interesting.



Please not another Jordon Mickey .....holy cow he sucked
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 21, 2018, 10:57:28 PM
He was projected 12-20 in most mocks, he's an athletic big man, and he has lottery upside.

Hard to find fault with the risk/reward tradeoff on this one.

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Dino Pitino on June 21, 2018, 10:59:15 PM
This is going to be a test of whether the Celtics can coach up a poor free throw shooter's mechanics from abysmal to adequate.  When was the last free throw shooter here who's been as bad as Williams?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: satch on June 21, 2018, 11:00:02 PM
Hope this does not turn out to be another Mark Blount.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 21, 2018, 11:00:55 PM
This is going to be a test of whether the Celtics can coach up a poor free throw shooter's mechanics from abysmal to adequate.  When was the last free throw shooter here who's been as bad as Williams?
shaq? Lol
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 21, 2018, 11:00:55 PM
I’m surprised because he’s a non passing non stretch big, but I love the pick.
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Brad Stevens said Robert Williams has enough of a foundation to become a better passer, ball-handler & outside shooter.

Interesting.

Please not another Jordon Mickey .....holy cow he sucked


Mickey was always projected as a borderline NBA player, except by a few pie-eyed optimists.

This guy is like Mickey in that his floor is "out of the league in a year or two." But, his ceiling is much higher, according to well-regarded evaluators.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 21, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.
Potential as what? I don’t see much potential at all on offense. On defense, yes. He might be great and could help with bounding. But that free throw shooting...  :o
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticSooner on June 21, 2018, 11:04:09 PM
His athleticism is off the charts. He would have to be a complete dum dum to bust. He shouldn’t have been available at 27 plain and simple.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on June 21, 2018, 11:04:49 PM
Another great value pick by Ainge deep in a draft. Can’t wait to see the guard we get in the 2nd. Finally an athletic 5 who can defend & block shots

so theis cannot rebound or block shots? what about baynes? theis has a huge motor. not sure what you have been watching. but yeah maybe this draft pick can continue that and improve it.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 21, 2018, 11:07:22 PM
P.s. he should help th Celtics more than Monroe. So that is good.  ;D
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Androslav on June 21, 2018, 11:08:48 PM
I don't want to put any pressure on the kid, but I think that defensively he should be the next Bill Russell.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 21, 2018, 11:09:01 PM
I keep hearing people talking about a pick in the 2nd round. Did Danny buy/trade for one?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 21, 2018, 11:09:52 PM
Post-Draft Analysis
Danny Ainge does it again. The rich get richer, as the Celtics add the No. 12 player in the ESPN 100 all the way down at the 27th pick. Concerns about Williams' off-court habits and some question marks about his knee sank his stock, but this might end up being the steal of the draft.

Williams' ability to protect the rim is something the Celtics covet, and he's now in a perfect situation to continue to develop his basketball IQ in one of the NBA's best cultures and player-development systems. -- Jonathan Givony
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 21, 2018, 11:10:09 PM
I don't want to put any pressure on the kid, but I think that defensively he should be the next Bill Russell.


first team defense at least
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 21, 2018, 11:11:00 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 21, 2018, 11:11:37 PM
I keep hearing people talking about a pick in the 2nd round. Did Danny buy/trade for one?

Not yet that we know of.  We’re just hopeful.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on June 21, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
This is a good scouting report regarding why Williams will hopefully fit better in the NBA than he did at the NCAA level.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/22/17149150/robert-williams-texas-am-sweet-16
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 21, 2018, 11:13:22 PM
talk about insane drop

he was pegged at 11-14 on most mock drafts

Shooting definitely needs work.  But if he turns out to be like Capela....a steal
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 21, 2018, 11:13:22 PM
Reminds me a bit of Carlos Arroyo.

I'm hopeful that he can both make good on his talent and do stupid things that only his fanbase can appreciate.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 21, 2018, 11:14:04 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.
Potential as what? I don’t see much potential at all on offense. On defense, yes. He might be great and could help with bounding. But that free throw shooting...  :o

Well, at least he could potentially offer a way, albeit an unconventional one, imo, for us to get into the penalty during the fourth quarter of a big game on the road, for example, when, say, the Warriors employ the ol' Hack a Shaq :-\. That's all that I've got as of right now, though, unfortunately, lol ;D.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: ozgod on June 21, 2018, 11:14:04 PM
Definitely a steal if we can fix his issues
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 21, 2018, 11:14:44 PM
Reminds me a bit of Carlos Arroyo.

I'm hopeful that he can both make good on his talent and do stupid things that only his fanbase can appreciate.
Carlos Arroyo the point guard?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Bobshot on June 21, 2018, 11:15:59 PM
Williams is an absolute steal. CBS had him going 12th to Clippers in their mock draft.

The kid can jump through the roof. He is everything the Celtics don't have right now. His wingspan is as good as Ayton's.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 21, 2018, 11:16:16 PM
Another great value pick by Ainge deep in a draft. Can’t wait to see the guard we get in the 2nd. Finally an athletic 5 who can defend & block shots

so theis cannot rebound or block shots? what about baynes? theis has a huge motor. not sure what you have been watching. but yeah maybe this draft pick can continue that and improve it.

Lord i remember the Mickey hype on here .   We will see how he acts on the NBA court ....will he understand at the speed of the NBA or will he freeze and watch the game like several other bigs C's drafted .

He seems to have a Whiteside type game .  It took Hassan a few years to develop ,   maybe he is hevnext Whitside  ;D
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: A Future of Stevens on June 21, 2018, 11:16:33 PM
I wanted him last year before our pick became top 4. So I am ecstatic we got him with our own pick this year.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Bobshot on June 21, 2018, 11:23:45 PM
I don't want to put any pressure on the kid, but I think that defensively he should be the next Bill Russell.

I didn't want to say that, but I saw Russell play his rookie year in Boston. This kid can jump like Russell, but he has a better mid range shot. Russ was also left handed.

We'll see if he can develop the kind of defensive skills Russell had. The young Russell had a similar long body and could also jump through the roof. The kid has the tools, and needs the right teachers. Just keep him away from the 3P line.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Ogaju on June 21, 2018, 11:24:14 PM
I don't want to put any pressure on the kid, but I think that defensively he should be the next Bill Russell.

will you settle for Dikembe Mutombo? 8)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Ogaju on June 21, 2018, 11:38:42 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

I am surprised  you do not think that Celtics have the culture to set the kid on the right path.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Kaz on June 21, 2018, 11:41:02 PM
Reminds me a bit of Carlos Arroyo.

I'm hopeful that he can both make good on his talent and do stupid things that only his fanbase can appreciate.
Robert Williams reminds you of Carlos Arroyo?
Curious as to how you arrived to that conclusion lol
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 21, 2018, 11:41:04 PM
Williams

strengths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr6qln44cQ

weaknesses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxB5xGa7ZW4
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticSooner on June 21, 2018, 11:44:16 PM
https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/1009989000285728768

Really was a perfect match. If he comes in ready to work:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/d4ab5d7e1d2ccd22f704673b14dff48f/tenor.gif)

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 11:44:34 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

RJ Hunter was unlucky, because he was never a great defender, and his shooting was horrible considering his low release point. If you can't defend, or play hard on that end, you're not going to see minutes in the Celtics. Point. Blank. Ojeleye is a perfect example as Orlando has brought up many times.

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A&M is 297th in the country in 3-point percentage, and their top two point guards are gone. Senior Duane Wilson went down with a season-ending right knee injury in February and freshman J.J. Caldwell was kicked off the team for several violations of university policy.

They also asked Robert Williams to play out of position. He's more of a rim running athletic 5.

I think Williams has terrible work ethic, but why are you so sure Williams won't do well within the Celtics? You say Draymond would scream in his ear, and force him to fix his mistakes, but there are certainly other players on our team that can provide the same mentorship/leadership.

Also I have no clue. I feel bad for Thomas. He's an excellent player. I hope the best for him.

I'm going to give him a chance. He literally just has to rebound, block shots, and putback dunks/lobs. Pretty easy. Eventually, once he develops a face up game, we'll see what happens.

I'm excited for Robert Williams.

Brown, Tatum, and Williams= Lob city.

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 21, 2018, 11:45:19 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

Yeah, maybe instead of taking ESPN's #12 player, a 20 year old who as a freshman put up 12-8-1.4 with 2.5 blocks and .7 steals in 25.6 mpg...we should have taken your guy Rawle Alkins, not taken in the first 51 picks by professionals and the #6 BPA (57) in a 60 man draft. 

Maybe we'll get your guy as an undrafted rookie free agent, AND the #12 player.

Not to be too hard on you, my friend nails picks all the time and he likes Alkins too.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticSooner on June 21, 2018, 11:45:48 PM
https://twitter.com/KSLASports/status/1009989297800450048
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 21, 2018, 11:47:30 PM
I don't want to put any pressure on the kid, but I think that defensively he should be the next Bill Russell.

I didn't want to say that, but I saw Russell play his rookie year in Boston. This kid can jump like Russell, but he has a better mid range shot. Russ was also left handed.

We'll see if he can develop the kind of defensive skills Russell had. The young Russell had a similar long body and could also jump through the roof. The kid has the tools, and needs the right teachers. Just keep him away from the 3P line.  :laugh:

They’re about the same height and probably similar wing span. We can only hope.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 21, 2018, 11:47:50 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.
Potential as what? I don’t see much potential at all on offense. On defense, yes. He might be great and could help with bounding. But that free throw shooting...  :o

I think he'll be able to hit open midrange shots on the baseline with some consistency, I've seen him hit a number of them in games I watched last year.   He was better as a freshman.

He dominated Kentucky last year vs. Fox and Monk, tho his team lost, he had a 22+ 12+ double double.  He's an elite NBA athlete and a good shot blocker, with a 7'6" wingspan and a 40" vertical.  He has the tools to be 70-80% of DJ or Capella.  That's great value at #27.

Now let's buy a late 2nd and draft Shake Milton, Trevon Duval or Rawle Alkins.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 21, 2018, 11:48:59 PM
I don't want to put any pressure on the kid, but I think that defensively he should be the next Bill Russell.

I didn't want to say that, but I saw Russell play his rookie year in Boston. This kid can jump like Russell, but he has a better mid range shot. Russ was also left handed.

We'll see if he can develop the kind of defensive skills Russell had. The young Russell had a similar long body and could also jump through the roof. The kid has the tools, and needs the right teachers. Just keep him away from the 3P line.  :laugh:

They’re about the same height and probably similar wing span. We can only hope.
If we just drafted the best defensive player of all time I'd be pretty happy. Can't shoot though ;)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: droopdog7 on June 21, 2018, 11:49:22 PM
I love the enthusiasm around here but Williams has a better chance to become the next fab melo (RIP) than he does any number of the pie in the sky comps.  At #27 you expect to get a significantly flawed prospect and that's what he is.  No offense to speak of and a questionable motor.  Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 21, 2018, 11:50:18 PM
I’m surprised because he’s a non passing non stretch big, but I love the pick.

Actually reports say he’s a good passer. Just see a lot of alley oop and shot block video so hard to tell.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 21, 2018, 11:50:53 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

I was hoping for Spellman too... higher IQ

but Williams is a more explosive athlete.  Just raw and wasn't taught the fundamentals properly (lets hope)

High risk, high reward type pick.  Lets just hope he doesn't turn out to be another Fab Melo, who was lost from the day his name was called on draft night
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on June 21, 2018, 11:50:54 PM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 21, 2018, 11:51:12 PM
I love the enthusiasm around here but Williams has a better chance to become the next fab melo (RIP) than he does any number of the pie in the sky comps.  At #27 you expect to get a significantly flawed prospect and that's what he is.  No offense to speak of and a questionable motor.  Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

Thanks for the optimism.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 21, 2018, 11:51:49 PM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.
Exactly. It's a pick at the end of the first
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticSooner on June 21, 2018, 11:53:18 PM
I love the enthusiasm around here but Williams has a better chance to become the next fab melo (RIP) than he does any number of the pie in the sky comps.  At #27 you expect to get a significantly flawed prospect and that's what he is.  No offense to speak of and a questionable motor.  Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

You are in the minority on the pick. It's being called one the steals of the draft by just about everyone. Eastern rival fans aren't happy about this pick either. For what he'll be asked to do this is a [dang] good pick. It will be really hard for anyone to mess this up.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: byennie on June 21, 2018, 11:54:03 PM
I love the enthusiasm around here but Williams has a better chance to become the next fab melo (RIP) than he does any number of the pie in the sky comps.  At #27 you expect to get a significantly flawed prospect and that's what he is.  No offense to speak of and a questionable motor.  Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

Yeah, no.

Williams is a lottery talent in a strong big man draft, with some red flags going to an ideal situation. He could have easily gone late lottery, and he's closer to never even cracking a rotation than being Clint Capela?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: mr. dee on June 21, 2018, 11:54:30 PM
Williams have better potential than Capela and DJ though. Unlike the 2, Robert is pretty solid passer from what I've seen and also have some mid-range game which the 2 also lacks.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 21, 2018, 11:54:34 PM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

I agree in principle, but I think people’s expectations of Williams are way too high and are ripe for disappointment in a season or two.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 21, 2018, 11:55:06 PM
I love the enthusiasm around here but Williams has a better chance to become the next fab melo (RIP) than he does any number of the pie in the sky comps.  At #27 you expect to get a significantly flawed prospect and that's what he is.  No offense to speak of and a questionable motor.  Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

You are in the minority on the pick. It's being called one the steals of the draft by just about everyone. Eastern rival fans aren't happy about this pick either. For what he'll be asked to do this is a [dang] good pick. It will be really hard for anyone to mess this up.
exactly. He's a matchup shot blocker. He will be behind horford, theis and  Baynes if he's still around
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 21, 2018, 11:56:30 PM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

I fought about this with Saltlover, who is almost never wrong.  I took your stance... and if I'm honest... he didn't change my mind.  The debate at hand was whether RJ Hunter was a bust.  I argued that picked in the mid-20's, especially at that time in DA's drafting career, RJ Hunter's projection was 'useless', whether for 1 year, 2 years or 3 years of service.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticSooner on June 21, 2018, 11:57:09 PM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

I agree in principle, but I think people’s expectations of Williams are way too high and are ripe for disappointment in a season or two.

All the C's need out of him is what Zizic was supposed to do.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 11:58:04 PM
Where the bloody hell do people get Fab Melo from? I get the motor comparison part, but Melo was FAR worse. There were times where he would stand around on defense, slow footed, and attempt at flailing his arms in a veiled attempt to block a shot. I hated that about Melo.

Granted Melo wasn't that horrible, he just never worked to improve his game, and was not the smartest toolbox in the tool shed. Williams is 4x more explosive, and has WAY WAY HIGHER lift. He's agile, and he can recover on defense when he gets beat.

He doesn't need to do anything. Just rebound, box out, block shots, and play defense... Whatever we get after that from the 27th.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 21, 2018, 11:58:24 PM
NBADRAFT.net instant analysis

   
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27. Robert Williams | 6-9 | 240 | PF/C | Texas A&M | 20
Williams projects as the prototypical ultra-athletic/long dive man in the Clint Capela mold, but questions surrounding the health of his knees caused a semi-surprising drop down the draft board. Williams was thought to be a lottery pick entering the season and even in the days leading up to the draft, however there are concerns about how much he really loves the game and what kind of daily encouragement he will require. That's not to say Williams didn't make his presence felt at Texas A&M. He was one of the nation's truly elite rebounders and has the length, timing, and athleticism to develop into a game-changing shot blocker. Unlike other lottery-bound big men, Williams offers next to no shooting (non-existent 3-point stroke, 47-percent foul shooter as a sophomore), and his effort isn't always there. But at this point in the draft, his defensive/rebounding potential is hard to pass up for the Celtics in need of a rim-running shot blocker to pair with Al Horford. For a player with a high "situational dependence", Williams couldn't have landed in a better spot.

hope its not serious
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: A Future of Stevens on June 21, 2018, 11:58:33 PM
I caution people to remain optimistic about this player. Worst case: 6'9 center with 7'5 wingspan and 40 inch vert. One of the best players in the nation at contesting perimeter shots. Listed at 240 a year ago. He shows flashes.

Forget his passing and possible switchability, I trust our culture to help nourish him behind Horford. I honestly had him going 13 to the clippers. Obviously the work ethic is a question. We will see. He has great hands.

Let a good coach teach him for 4 years. That's all I can say.

Love the pick. Celtics blog is going to hear about it.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on June 21, 2018, 11:59:46 PM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

I agree in principle, but I think people’s expectations of Williams are way too high and are ripe for disappointment in a season or two.

Oh, probably.  I'd expect Deyonta Davis production in the short term, maybe a more tuned-in Sam Dalembert if he hits 90% of his potential.  I'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: keevsnick on June 22, 2018, 12:05:13 AM
Welp hard to argue with the  pick. Seems like perfect modern day defensive center. Long enough with explosive leaping to protect the rim. Agile feet and good hands to switch onto guards. Not much of an offensive  game right now, but he will at least be a good finisher and lob threat. Honestly tho, with our perimeter guys we don't need a big time offensive player. Celtics seem to think he has soem untapped potential skill wise. But even if he doesn't. what do you really want at 27? Could turn into a starter level player, and thats a great outcome.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 12:06:33 AM
IF CBS can define Williams role (because he had to shoulder responsibilities beyond capabilities in college)  plus tweak his jump shot....... I think this is how you start with Williams

defensively CBS has a system he wants all of his players to follow (spreading arms, stance etc) + Roberts raw ability hopefully adds another dimension to this teams defense

Celts still need to bring back Baynes... and rebuild Williams down at Maine
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Kuberski33 on June 22, 2018, 12:09:29 AM
NBADRAFT.net instant analysis

   
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27. Robert Williams | 6-9 | 240 | PF/C | Texas A&M | 20
Williams projects as the prototypical ultra-athletic/long dive man in the Clint Capela mold, but questions surrounding the health of his knees caused a semi-surprising drop down the draft board. Williams was thought to be a lottery pick entering the season and even in the days leading up to the draft, however there are concerns about how much he really loves the game and what kind of daily encouragement he will require. That's not to say Williams didn't make his presence felt at Texas A&M. He was one of the nation's truly elite rebounders and has the length, timing, and athleticism to develop into a game-changing shot blocker. Unlike other lottery-bound big men, Williams offers next to no shooting (non-existent 3-point stroke, 47-percent foul shooter as a sophomore), and his effort isn't always there. But at this point in the draft, his defensive/rebounding potential is hard to pass up for the Celtics in need of a rim-running shot blocker to pair with Al Horford. For a player with a high "situational dependence", Williams couldn't have landed in a better spot.

hope its not serious
In that clip where Rozier face timed Ainge, Danny mentioned that they were checking his medicals prior to making the pick.  Guessing that even if there were issues, there's too much potential here to not roll the dice.  Keeping in mind they're going to need to guard Joel Embid for the next several years.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 22, 2018, 12:10:45 AM
IF CBS can define Williams role (because he had to shoulder responsibilities beyond capabilities in college)  plus tweak his jump shot....... I think this is how you start with Williams

defensively CBS has a system he wants all of his players to follow (spreading arms, stance etc) + Roberts raw ability hopefully adds another dimension to this teams defense

Celts still need to bring back Baynes... and rebuild Williams down at Maine
Yeah, with Al, Baynes and Theis there is absolutely no pressure on Williams. Rebounding, rim protection and dunks are all we need from him
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: droopdog7 on June 22, 2018, 12:13:59 AM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

I agree in principle, but I think people’s expectations of Williams are way too high and are ripe for disappointment in a season or two.
This is where I’m at.  Given the responses on this thread, there is a huge potential for people to be disappointed.  So perhaps that’s not technically a bust, but it may feel that way given the (unrealistic) optimism.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: indeedproceed on June 22, 2018, 12:15:46 AM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

I agree in principle, but I think people’s expectations of Williams are way too high and are ripe for disappointment in a season or two.

I thought Williams was a late lotto pick, I have those aspirations for him. Is that unreasonable?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 22, 2018, 12:16:30 AM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

I agree in principle, but I think people’s expectations of Williams are way too high and are ripe for disappointment in a season or two.

Oh, probably.  I'd expect Deyonta Davis production in the short term, maybe a more tuned-in Sam Dalembert if he hits 90% of his potential.  I'd be happy with that.

Those are low expectations. 

Deyonta Davis only played 18.4 mpg, but put up 7.5-5.5-.7 with .3 spg, 1.8 bpg, 2.3 fouls.

Williams as a frosh, 25 mpg, 12-8-1.4 with .7 spg, 2.5 bpg, 1.8 fouls.

He compares closer to DeAndre Jordan than Davis, coming from someone clamoring to draft DJ.  I don't expect him to be as good and he isn't Capela, but last year he's a lotto pick.  He's fantastic value at #27, we got lottery talent and the type of player we lack in a non-lottery year.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 22, 2018, 12:17:02 AM
IF CBS can define Williams role (because he had to shoulder responsibilities beyond capabilities in college)  plus tweak his jump shot....... I think this is how you start with Williams

defensively CBS has a system he wants all of his players to follow (spreading arms, stance etc) + Roberts raw ability hopefully adds another dimension to this teams defense

Celts still need to bring back Baynes... and rebuild Williams down at Maine
What are you talking about?  Williams didn't shoulder responsibilities beyond his capabilities in college.  Williams was criminally underutilized and poorly utilized.  Forced to play the 4 due to Tyler Davis and playing with poor shooting and poor passing guards/wings. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 22, 2018, 12:17:17 AM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

I agree in principle, but I think people’s expectations of Williams are way too high and are ripe for disappointment in a season or two.
This is where I’m at.  Given the responses on this thread, there is a huge potential for people to be disappointed.  So perhaps that’s not technically a bust, but it may feel that way given the (unrealistic) optimism.
I don't mind a smaller, more explosive Dalembert as a comparison. Good rebounder and ring protector, nothing to write home about on offence. But a guy who can crash the offensive rebounds and dunk the ball surrounded by Kyrie, Jaylen, Jayson and Gordon isn't bad at all
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Scintan on June 22, 2018, 12:23:54 AM
Unless a player is completely red-flagged, there comes a point where a falling player just becomes too tempting a gamble to pass up.  That point will be different for every GM, but it's there.  Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't.

The good thing about this gamble is that, if the team doesn't like what it sees this year, it could well be an issue addressed early in next year's draft.  Sure, they'd need a little help from another team and the ping pong balls, but that possibility is there.

So I'll call it a great gamble, even if this is a potential Melo/Sullinger situation.  The kid has the raw physical prowess.  Let's see what Brad & Co. can do with him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 12:23:55 AM
I hope this spelss the end to Dhoward rumors

Dont want him as a Celtic
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 22, 2018, 12:26:12 AM
I hope this spelss the end to Dhoward rumors

Dont want him as a Celtic
Yeah. Having that clown here would be bad
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: csfansince60s on June 22, 2018, 12:27:49 AM

Ainge  just said that they tried to trade up to get Wms and couldn’t.

What luck...what value!!!!!!☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️

So pumped.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 12:30:13 AM

Ainge  just said that they tried to trade up to get Wms and couldn’t.

What luck...what value!!!!!!☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️

So pumped.

Wms?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: nickagneta on June 22, 2018, 12:32:02 AM
Danny at the press conference:

"Our roster...we don't, we don't need more young players, really. We feel good about adding 1."

So I am guessing no adding other young guys this year. Just vets?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 22, 2018, 12:36:38 AM
Danny at the press conference:

"Our roster...we don't, we don't need more young players, really. We feel good about adding 1."

So I am guessing no adding other young guys this year. Just vets?
That's how I see it. Probably trying to run it back with Baynes and Smart (if reasonable)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: csfansince60s on June 22, 2018, 12:52:42 AM
IF CBS can define Williams role (because he had to shoulder responsibilities beyond capabilities in college)  plus tweak his jump shot....... I think this is how you start with Williams

defensively CBS has a system he wants all of his players to follow (spreading arms, stance etc) + Roberts raw ability hopefully adds another dimension to this teams defense

Celts still need to bring back Baynes... and rebuild Williams down at Maine
What are you talking about?  Williams didn't shoulder responsibilities beyond his capabilities in college.  Williams was criminally underutilized and poorly utilized.  Forced to play the 4 due to Tyler Davis and playing with poor shooting and poor passing guards/wings.

TP, tazz

We both liked/took notice of him his freshman year when we were doing that Nba prospects on TV THREAD.

Good times...then and now.....thrilled about how lucky we were to grab him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: csfansince60s on June 22, 2018, 12:56:58 AM

Ainge  just said that they tried to trade up to get Wms and couldn’t.

What luck...what value!!!!!!☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️

So pumped.

Wms?

Just an abbreviation, as in Robt Wms....used to use it being lazy listing all those NBA draft prospects playing on TV.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 12:57:01 AM
If he pans out the Celtics have the player they've always needed. Couldn't be happier about the pick
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 01:03:00 AM
Danny at the press conference:

"Our roster...we don't, we don't need more young players, really. We feel good about adding 1."

So I am guessing no adding other young guys this year. Just vets?
That's how I see it. Probably trying to run it back with Baynes and Smart (if reasonable)

Honestly if they resign Smart and keep Bird, Williams could very well be the only new face on the roster (with Baynes departing).  I think they keep the 15th spot open until buyout season.  This will both offer them flexibility and help keep them below the tax after Smart’s new deal is signed.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: KG Living Legend on June 22, 2018, 01:08:37 AM

Ainge  just said that they tried to trade up to get Wms and couldn’t.

What luck...what value!!!!!!☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️

So pumped.




 C's fan, sorry who did you mean? Wms?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 01:13:14 AM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

All this complaining about Williams when your binky didn't even get drafted? ROFL
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 01:14:43 AM
Interview with DE a week ago. I like it. He stated he doesnt need to score to be effective... defense comes 1st

https://youtu.be/1HqP-cuS02o
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: MJohnnyboy on June 22, 2018, 01:18:15 AM
Honest question: When was the last time we as a fanbase were collectively happy with who the Celtics selected in the draft?

Was it when we picked Smart or Young?

It feels good to see that everyone for the most part at the very least approve of this year's pick.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: PhoSita on June 22, 2018, 01:21:32 AM
Robert is gonna throw some nasty, nasty dunks in Maine next year.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:22:53 AM
Robert is gonna throw some nasty, nasty dunks in Maine next year.
lol
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 01:25:11 AM
One interesting fact, he's from Shreveport, same hometown as Chief
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 22, 2018, 01:31:55 AM
One interesting fact, he's from Shreveport, same hometown as Chief
It's destiny
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: BackDoorCut on June 22, 2018, 01:39:08 AM
Admittedly haven't watched much of him. I expect early on in the season he'll spend some time shuttling back and forth to Maine. I hope we'll see more of him later in the season. I am very excited about this pick. A piece that I though we were missing and was hoping to trade up for. Very glad they made a wise decision to not overpay. What I would like to see from him his first season is rim protection and running, defense, switchability and some competency in the dribble handoff. I think it is also the first player of this cut that Stevens has had and am excited to see how he goes about developing him. Stevens is a coach who tends to put his players in positions to succeed through their strengths. My guess is when he does get burn he will get some touches back to the basket (I'm expecting a lot of this in summer league), dribble handoffs and rim running.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 01:58:25 AM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

All this complaining about Williams when your binky didn't even get drafted? ROFL

Yes, I have legitimate concerns about Williams - sue me ::).
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: bknova on June 22, 2018, 01:58:51 AM
This is kinda wow, just wow.  This is the guy that I thought we should be trading Terry for.  Williams was projected late lotto, Terry's realistic trade value, and second only to Bamba as defensive, athletic, rebounder who's athletic enough for easy finishes around the basket.  We get him at 27 with absolutely nothing to lose, and keep Rozier.

When the new ownership asked Red who to give the keys to the car to, Ainge or Bird, the story goes, Red said "Ainge, because he's lucky."  Doesn't matter what way this plays out, it was the right pick.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: trickybilly on June 22, 2018, 02:08:17 AM
He reminds me of Theis  a little bit...
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: byennie on June 22, 2018, 02:29:57 AM
I challenge you to find a single player in the NBA with a 7'5" or greater wingspan and a 40" or greater vertical. Pretty unique specimen.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DooVoo on June 22, 2018, 03:01:49 AM
He reminds me a lot of Shawn Kemp and I am not the only person to bring that up. If Kemp went to college he might have been a college causality like Williams. Williams was badly misused at Texas A&M. He was only used for 16 pick and rolls in 30 games and forced to play as a traditional 4 with a very slow plodding big in Tyler Davis and stretch 4 in DJ Hogg neither whom, were drafted. In the NBA teams will likely find a way to use his athletism and play him more at the 5 which he fits into today's NBA as. His best skill might be his insane catch radius which should be among the best in the NBA. Lobs and pick and rolls were made for him.

As for Kemp, both are explosive 6'10" guys with 40" verts who attack the rim, run the floor like deer, and can rebound. Williams though has a freakish 7'6" wingspan and Kemp was closer to 7'2". Williams is the much better shot blocker and has strength that a Bamba lacks to rim defend. Obviously Kemp developed a very solid mid range game and was a decent FT shooter from the start and Williams will have a lot of work to be good at those skills
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 22, 2018, 03:40:28 AM
I love the Robert Williams pick.  He has a massive wingspan of 7'5 and is extremely athletic.  Like pogo stick legs.  I've seen him dunk balls where he catches it above the square and throw down!

He was one of my draft binkies and DA made my wish come true! 

On June 8th I said:

I'm going to pick 2 binkies.  Just to hedge my bets but chances are we don't draft either of them unless we move up slightly in the draft.

6'9 PF/C Robert Williams from Texas A&M.  He reportedly has a 7'5 wingspan.  He averaged 4 blocks per 40 minutes.  He's what we call a rim protector. ;)

https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/22/17149150/robert-williams-texas-am-sweet-16

He is super athletic and I'm betting that he leapfrogs Yabusele into the big man rotation.  I feel he could be better defensively than Theis because of his massive wingspan.  Defensively, he only trails Mo Bamba and Jaren Jackson Jr in block percentage as a college bigman -- he is significantly better in that department than Wendell Carter Jr, Bagley, and Ayton.

I really love how well he moves.  He is a scary shotblocker and an excellent rebounder -- two areas that the Celtics need a lot of help in.  As most big men he might start out slower, but that's ok.  He can develop behind Theis and Horford and eventually earn a bigger role.  You can't teach his wingspan and athleticism. 

But I'm sure Brad Stevens will be able to teach him the fundamentals and help coax out that massive upside!  If we're lucky we end up with the next Clint Capella or Deandre Jordan!  Really pleased with this draft selection.  Who knows, maybe pick #27 is lucky after all? (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-27/)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 22, 2018, 04:22:30 AM
I don't want to put any pressure on the kid, but I think that defensively he should be the next Bill Russell.

I didn't want to say that, but I saw Russell play his rookie year in Boston. This kid can jump like Russell, but he has a better mid range shot. Russ was also left handed.

We'll see if he can develop the kind of defensive skills Russell had. The young Russell had a similar long body and could also jump through the roof. The kid has the tools, and needs the right teachers. Just keep him away from the 3P line.  :laugh:

You are sorta glossing over a few trivial facts about Bill Russell - ya know, like leading his college team to 2 consecutive national titles, plus that Olympic Gold Medal Russell won and then, I don't know, leading the Celts to the NBA title as a rookie. Probably extraneous information - but then again, maybe something to consider.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 22, 2018, 06:49:02 AM
Next Bill Russell is absurd guys!   Russ won on early level...

I am excited about the pick as anyone but let us not go off the deep end.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on June 22, 2018, 06:59:46 AM
Next Bill Russell is absurd guys!   Russ won on early level...

I am excited about the pick as anyone but let us not go off the deep end.

Last guy to be compared to Russell: The Stiemer.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 22, 2018, 07:13:27 AM
Next Bill Russell is absurd guys!   Russ won on early level...

I am excited about the pick as anyone but let us not go off the deep end.

Last guy to be compared to Russell: The Stiemer.

LOL ...haa haa I recall that too.   I laughed so hard i messed up the Ipad
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 22, 2018, 07:14:32 AM
Next Bill Russell is absurd guys!   Russ won on early level...

I am excited about the pick as anyone but let us not go off the deep end.

he ll be lucky to be John Hotrod Williams
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 22, 2018, 07:15:43 AM
Must plan his statue NOW .....rigjt beside Bills
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on June 22, 2018, 07:51:56 AM
Next Bill Russell is absurd guys!   Russ won on early level...

I am excited about the pick as anyone but let us not go off the deep end.

he ll be lucky to be John Hotrod Williams

I'd be happy with a Hot Rod-esque career at #27.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 22, 2018, 07:57:16 AM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

For reference, I was on record for Tatum last year, was perhaps the most vocal Kyrie trade supporter (i posted videos of IT and Kyrie showing how Kyrie was simply better, stats be [dang]ed) and after we got Morris I immediately researched and stated we won that trade. 

So I feel my opinion has been overall pretty solid the past year, and I love this pick.  This is not like selecting Fab Melo or Deyonta Davis, it's like picking DeAndre Jordan or Willie Caulie-Stein.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Surferdad on June 22, 2018, 07:57:23 AM
This is going to be a test of whether the Celtics can coach up a poor free throw shooter's mechanics from abysmal to adequate.  When was the last free throw shooter here who's been as bad as Williams?
That's my concern too.  Celtics generally like good FT shooters, sometimes at the expense of other skills.  With all the shooting talent on this team, you just need your weakest offensive player to hit FTs at a reliable rate.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Surferdad on June 22, 2018, 07:59:39 AM
double post
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 22, 2018, 07:59:49 AM
From another thread:

He's quite decorated:

#3 in PER in the SEC since 2009-2010:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/sec/leaders/per-player-career.html

#2 in SEC Box +/- since 09-10:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/sec/leaders/bpm-player-career.html

#2 in SEC Defensive Box +/- since 09-10:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/sec/leaders/dbpm-player-career.html

#2 in SEC Defensive Rebound % since 09-10:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/sec/leaders/drb-pct-player-career.html

#6 in SEC Block % since 09-10:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/sec/leaders/drb-pct-player-career.html

The other names to pop up multiple times at the top are Willie Cauley Stein, Bobby Portis, and JaMychal Green.  Not bad company for the #27 pick, our only 'quiet' draft in 6 years.

If he learns to improve his shooting, and his ballhandling / passing some, the sky's the limit.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on June 22, 2018, 08:01:57 AM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

Nah, I'm definitely happy with the pick.  I'm just trying to keep my expectations grounded.  If we get a good contributor at #27 -- and I think we did -- then I'm happy.  He doesn't needed to be DeAndre Jordan in my mind for this to be a great pick.  As I mentioned earlier, if he just turns out to be a more engaged Sam Dalembert, I'd be very happy with that.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 22, 2018, 08:02:35 AM
Honest question: When was the last time we as a fanbase were collectively happy with who the Celtics selected in the draft?

Was it when we picked Smart or Young?

It feels good to see that everyone for the most part at the very least approve of this year's pick.

The best analogy I can think of is Gerald Green, who was also projected higher and “fell into our lap.” People were really excited about him too.

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: ozgod on June 22, 2018, 08:10:20 AM
Late in the first round is the place to take risks and I'm glad we're taking a risk with him given the potential high return. If he doesn't perform to expectation it's not like we wasted a lottery pick on him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 22, 2018, 08:11:12 AM
Boy is his shot ugly.

But the little bit of dribbling he does in the highlight videos actually looks pretty smooth, like he will be able to learn to handle the ball for hand-offs and take 1 or 2 dribbles rolling to the rim. He'll be expected to know how to find the open man on the Celtics and there seem to be indications he can do that, too. Horford and Barnes will be good mentors for him. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for him to learn to shoot but it does seem like he'll be able to do a few different things on offense.

But it'll all come down to the defense and that'll be a test of all these concerns about his motor.

I'm curious: does anyone have any opinions about him skipping Brooklyn to watch the draft at a Buffalo Wild Wings with his family and friends? I think it's kind of nice.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 08:20:39 AM
Why wasn't he at the draft? There was no closeup when the pick was made.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: The One on June 22, 2018, 08:23:52 AM
Love the pick.

Some experts put him on par defensively with Jaren Jackson.

If he can be a Capela-lite...this was a steal.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 22, 2018, 08:25:45 AM
Why wasn't he at the draft? There was no closeup when the pick was made.

The only thing I've read is that he decided to watch the draft from his hometown with friends and family. I assumed it was to be with his people. There's video of him looking pretty happy when he's picked by Boston.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Eddie20 on June 22, 2018, 08:34:13 AM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

All this complaining about Williams when your binky didn't even get drafted? ROFL

That was pretty funny.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 08:37:54 AM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

For reference, I was on record for Tatum last year, was perhaps the most vocal Kyrie trade supporter (i posted videos of IT and Kyrie showing how Kyrie was simply better, stats be [dang]ed) and after we got Morris I immediately researched and stated we won that trade. 

So I feel my opinion has been overall pretty solid the past year, and I love this pick.  This is not like selecting Fab Melo or Deyonta Davis, it's like picking DeAndre Jordan or Willie Caulie-Stein.

Not sure the motor criticisms are fair. His drb% is on par with the tops in the country, and much higher than JJJ and he has a very high block % as well.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 08:44:28 AM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

CBS is optimistic and excited  ;D .... he sees the potential and that he was suppose to be drafted in the late lottery but slipped to 27. Doesn't happen everyday

Ainge sounded a bit more reserved especially answering the last question that RW needs to work hard and bring it...along these lines. But was protecting his character concerns etc all night long

Celts are lucky they had one up on the GSW because I likely they would have taken him (to replace Mcgee).  If used correctly, Capela, Mcgee (and now williams) all can be used as weapons vs Lebron/Cavs and GSW.  Especially vs Lebron who needs his shot swatted a few times make him think twice before driving in. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: droopdog7 on June 22, 2018, 08:51:28 AM
Late in the first round is the place to take risks and I'm glad we're taking a risk with him given the potential high return. If he doesn't perform to expectation it's not like we wasted a lottery pick on him.
There is no such thing as a risk at 27.  You pick a guy and hope he’s still on the team in three years.  As has already been said, this board was most excited when we picked James young and Gerald green in recent years.  Shoot, by and large people were happier about rj Hunter than Jaylen brown.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 09:03:49 AM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

For reference, I was on record for Tatum last year, was perhaps the most vocal Kyrie trade supporter (i posted videos of IT and Kyrie showing how Kyrie was simply better, stats be [dang]ed) and after we got Morris I immediately researched and stated we won that trade. 

So I feel my opinion has been overall pretty solid the past year, and I love this pick.  This is not like selecting Fab Melo or Deyonta Davis, it's like picking DeAndre Jordan or Willie Caulie-Stein.

It’s not like picking Willie Cauley-Stein.  WCS is not and will never be a perfect player, but he took a step forward in college every year.  Williams was the same player this year as he was last year.  He got suspended for 3 games at the beginning of the season for violating team rules (presumably pot). His on-court effort issues are widely agreed upon.

I get the pick.  I think it was the correct one.  I just think people are way too excited about him and are setting themselves up for disappointment.  It’s a lot easier for me to see him never making it into the Celtics rotation than it is for me to see him as a foundational piece, or even really a useful one that leaves after his rookie deal.  I hope he reaches his considerable ceiling, or even gets 80% of the way there. That would make the Celtics future even more bright than it already is.  I don’t see it happening, but I’d love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 09:07:07 AM
One thing that is definitely exciting .....is that Williams is at the same level in terms of strength, length and explosiveness as Howard (younger),  Drummond, Deandre Jordan for a center

Celts hasnt had a center like this in a very long time...
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

For reference, I was on record for Tatum last year, was perhaps the most vocal Kyrie trade supporter (i posted videos of IT and Kyrie showing how Kyrie was simply better, stats be [dang]ed) and after we got Morris I immediately researched and stated we won that trade. 

So I feel my opinion has been overall pretty solid the past year, and I love this pick.  This is not like selecting Fab Melo or Deyonta Davis, it's like picking DeAndre Jordan or Willie Caulie-Stein.

Not sure the motor criticisms are fair. His drb% is on par with the tops in the country, and much higher than JJJ and he has a very high block % as well.

It’s not like picking Willie Cauley-Stein.  WCS is not and will never be a perfect player, but he took a step forward in college every year.  Williams was the same player this year as he was last year.  He got suspended for 3 games at the beginning of the season for violating team rules (presumably pot). His on-court effort issues are widely agreed upon.

I get the pick.  I think it was the correct one.  I just think people are way too excited about him and are setting themselves up for disappointment.  It’s a lot easier for me to see him never making it into the Celtics rotation than it is for me to see him as a foundational piece, or even really a useful on that leaves after his rookie deal.  I hope he reaches his considerable ceiling, or even gets 80% of the way there. That would make the Celtics future even more bright than it already is.  I don’t see it happening, but I’d love to be wrong.

Just curious if you did indeed watch A&M games at all, or just basing this on what you've seen on highlights/draft videos?

There was absolutely no floor spacing. There were a lot of injuries. Their point guard Caldwell was kicked off the team, two other teammates also got suspended for a few games, and he was next to a non-floor stretching big. And no competent passers for a lob catching/rim running big.

Robert Williams fell supposedly due to his motor, and knee issues, but from what I've seen. He is a threat for a lob every time.

Positives:
Can handle the ball somewhat, will be able to do give and go's.
Midrange shot is still weak, but showed a lot of improvement.
Lob catcher, A&M threw lobs from almost full court, (despite how many frugal passers there were on the team,) and explosive athlete.
His passing is actually underrated skill set of his.
Elite defender, smart at keeping ball within the court

Negatives:
How worrisome are knee concerns
Not a fluid athlete
Handling/shooting form is very suspect, very inconsistent
Doesn't do a lot of the little things
Passing needs more shape up

Basically all of his concerns minus shooting/ball handling, a good coach/leader can inspire him to do better.

Capela/DeAndre Jordan literally couldn't shoot a mid range to save their life. I think Williams could.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: OHCeltic on June 22, 2018, 09:14:58 AM
He needs to work on his free throws. 
Great pick anyways
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 09:15:50 AM
The comparisons to Bill Russell/Ben Wallace need to stop though... Lol, Celticsblog homering once again.  ;) ;D :o :o ::) ::)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: manl_lui on June 22, 2018, 09:38:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYrv8YSIkqM

gets the block, goes for the windmill jam then hustles back for a rebound, what a sequence by our new big guy
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 22, 2018, 09:40:04 AM
The comparisons to Bill Russell/Ben Wallace need to stop though... Lol, Celticsblog homering once again.  ;) ;D :o :o ::) ::)


Drunk on the green cool-aid  .. :)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: PAOBoston on June 22, 2018, 09:43:13 AM
I'm ok with the pick. At 27, I think he represented what it sounds like BPA and also solved a need for the team (basically a project big man/Monroe replacement).

He certainly has some physical tools to work with and he probably will benefit from getting drafted by a strong organization like the C's. Hope he takes that to heart and learns from Horford.

Offensively, not expecting much from him this year outside of Smart lobs for alley oops. He's gonna need to figure out the FT shooting to at least become passable. I don't understand how a basketball player can shoot 43% from the FT line.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 22, 2018, 09:50:38 AM
Seems to be the type of guy whose career might be saved or lost by the team that drafted him.   He seemed to be lacking coaching and direction to use his strenghts .

So , maybe the more serious nature of Boston basketball will keep him focused and pointed in the rigjt direction,

I see too many lost yoing men who need more maturity drafted to the WRONG team.   

If you fail at Boston , then you probably don't belong . 

He lucked into a good situation.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tonydelk on June 22, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Man there are a lot of varying opinions for a guy who was picked at 27!!  It's ok to be excited about a guy who was supposed to be a lottery pick.  If you are overly excited you are setting yourself up for major disappointment.  That's ok but don't come on here and say Danny failed if Williams busts.  Perry Jones III was supposed to be a lottery player and we see what happened to him.

For me I'm pumped we got a guy at 27 that has a ton of potential, fits exactly what the C's are missing.  That's rare.  I can see him being a guy who is there to clean up the glass, run the floor and score of lobs.  He's not there to shoot J's he's there to be a defensive presence and if he can become a top notch D player and shoot around 60% on his FT he's a guy who pair with Smart can finish a game's last possession and shut down a team when the C's need stops.  No more Embiid abusing the C's if this kid can develop.  Great get at 27.  If he busts who cares.  He was picked at 27.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: number_n9ne on June 22, 2018, 10:16:21 AM
If we don't get Bonzie on a 2 way and realize the dream of a Smart, Colson, Semi, Yabu, Bob Williams thick-jacked frame strong boy lineup, I'll riot. This needs to happen for weird Celtics Twitter.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 22, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
I'm ok with the pick. At 27, I think he represented what it sounds like BPA and also solved a need for the team (basically a project big man/Monroe replacement).

He certainly has some physical tools to work with and he probably will benefit from getting drafted by a strong organization like the C's. Hope he takes that to heart and learns from Horford.

Offensively, not expecting much from him this year outside of Smart lobs for alley oops. He's gonna need to figure out the FT shooting to at least become passable. I don't understand how a basketball player

I think Capella has a similar FT percentage, and is about to get offered a $15 to $20mm per year contract. If Williams was an 80% FT shooter, would not have dropped to 27, get real.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
I'm ok with the pick. At 27, I think he represented what it sounds like BPA and also solved a need for the team (basically a project big man/Monroe replacement).

He certainly has some physical tools to work with and he probably will benefit from getting drafted by a strong organization like the C's. Hope he takes that to heart and learns from Horford.

Offensively, not expecting much from him this year outside of Smart lobs for alley oops. He's gonna need to figure out the FT shooting to at least become passable. I don't understand how a basketball player

I think Capella has a similar FT percentage, and is about to get offered a $15 to $20mm per year contract. If Williams was an 80% FT shooter, would not have dropped to 27, get real.

My thoughts exactly. And it's not like his shooting form is that bad, it cannot be fixed to at least somewhat adequate.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: csfansince60s on June 22, 2018, 10:22:38 AM
I love the Robert Williams pick.  He has a massive wingspan of 7'5 and is extremely athletic.  Like pogo stick legs.  I've seen him dunk balls where he catches it above the square and throw down!

He was one of my draft binkies and DA made my wish come true! 

On June 8th I said:

I'm going to pick 2 binkies.  Just to hedge my bets but chances are we don't draft either of them unless we move up slightly in the draft.

6'9 PF/C Robert Williams from Texas A&M.  He reportedly has a 7'5 wingspan.  He averaged 4 blocks per 40 minutes.  He's what we call a rim protector. ;)

https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/22/17149150/robert-williams-texas-am-sweet-16

He is super athletic and I'm betting that he leapfrogs Yabusele into the big man rotation.  I feel he could be better defensively than Theis because of his massive wingspan.  Defensively, he only trails Mo Bamba and Jaren Jackson Jr in block percentage as a college bigman -- he is significantly better in that department than Wendell Carter Jr, Bagley, and Ayton.

I really love how well he moves.  He is a scary shotblocker and an excellent rebounder -- two areas that the Celtics need a lot of help in.  As most big men he might start out slower, but that's ok.  He can develop behind Theis and Horford and eventually earn a bigger role.  You can't teach his wingspan and athleticism. 

But I'm sure Brad Stevens will be able to teach him the fundamentals and help coax out that massive upside!  If we're lucky we end up with the next Clint Capella or Deandre Jordan!  Really pleased with this draft selection.  Who knows, maybe pick #27 is lucky after all? (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-27/)

TP for being ahead of the curve. I am thrilled too with the pick.

Been following I'm since freshman year.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 10:23:47 AM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

For reference, I was on record for Tatum last year, was perhaps the most vocal Kyrie trade supporter (i posted videos of IT and Kyrie showing how Kyrie was simply better, stats be [dang]ed) and after we got Morris I immediately researched and stated we won that trade. 

So I feel my opinion has been overall pretty solid the past year, and I love this pick.  This is not like selecting Fab Melo or Deyonta Davis, it's like picking DeAndre Jordan or Willie Caulie-Stein.

Not sure the motor criticisms are fair. His drb% is on par with the tops in the country, and much higher than JJJ and he has a very high block % as well.

It’s not like picking Willie Cauley-Stein.  WCS is not and will never be a perfect player, but he took a step forward in college every year.  Williams was the same player this year as he was last year.  He got suspended for 3 games at the beginning of the season for violating team rules (presumably pot). His on-court effort issues are widely agreed upon.

I get the pick.  I think it was the correct one.  I just think people are way too excited about him and are setting themselves up for disappointment.  It’s a lot easier for me to see him never making it into the Celtics rotation than it is for me to see him as a foundational piece, or even really a useful on that leaves after his rookie deal.  I hope he reaches his considerable ceiling, or even gets 80% of the way there. That would make the Celtics future even more bright than it already is.  I don’t see it happening, but I’d love to be wrong.

Just curious if you did indeed watch A&M games at all, or just basing this on what you've seen on highlights/draft videos?

There was absolutely no floor spacing. There were a lot of injuries.

Robert Williams fell supposedly due to his motor, and knee issues, but from what I've seen. He is a threat for a lob every time.

I watched a few.  I understand that A&M misused him terribly, and Billy Gillespie is on my list of worst college coaches.  But I also saw him get lit up by Mo Wagner in the tournament, both inside and out.  That’s problematic if he’s going to have trouble with stretch bigs.

Again, he has talent.  I’m not questioning it.  So did Larry Sanders.

The Celtics didn’t work him out.  I believe the last two players they didn’t work out and selected in the first round were also high-ceiling, lottery-projected players who fell — James Young and Gerald Green.

He skipped the draft combine, which is a bit odd for a player who was being talked about as on the fringe of the lottery.  The teams who worked him out and interviewed him all decided they liked someone more at that spot.  There’s a lot of information out there that says he most likely won’t pan out, so I’m just not going to get overly excited about him in advance, and save my exuberance if he does make it.

You’re of course all free to call him the second-coming of Bill Russell or Robert Parish.  It’s fun to be excited — I’m just not.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 22, 2018, 10:26:40 AM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

All this complaining about Williams when your binky didn't even get drafted? ROFL

Yes, I have legitimate concerns about Williams - sue me ::).

Given your track record of Celtic picks you have disparaged in the past (Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier), Williams will probablyl turn out to be a spectacular pick.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 22, 2018, 10:34:55 AM
Danny at the press conference:

"Our roster...we don't, we don't need more young players, really. We feel good about adding 1."

So I am guessing no adding other young guys this year. Just vets?
That's how I see it. Probably trying to run it back with Baynes and Smart (if reasonable)

Honestly if they resign Smart and keep Bird, Williams could very well be the only new face on the roster (with Baynes departing).  I think they keep the 15th spot open until buyout season.  This will both offer them flexibility and help keep them below the tax after Smart’s new deal is signed.

I think they still need to sign Baynes if possible.  They need him to defend big 5's like Embiid; Williams too young, and may not have right frame (narrow hips) to defend strong centers the way Baynes can. Unless they think Semi/Yabu can handle that load.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 22, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

For reference, I was on record for Tatum last year, was perhaps the most vocal Kyrie trade supporter (i posted videos of IT and Kyrie showing how Kyrie was simply better, stats be [dang]ed) and after we got Morris I immediately researched and stated we won that trade. 

So I feel my opinion has been overall pretty solid the past year, and I love this pick.  This is not like selecting Fab Melo or Deyonta Davis, it's like picking DeAndre Jordan or Willie Caulie-Stein.

Not sure the motor criticisms are fair. His drb% is on par with the tops in the country, and much higher than JJJ and he has a very high block % as well.

It’s not like picking Willie Cauley-Stein.  WCS is not and will never be a perfect player, but he took a step forward in college every year.  Williams was the same player this year as he was last year.  He got suspended for 3 games at the beginning of the season for violating team rules (presumably pot). His on-court effort issues are widely agreed upon.

I get the pick.  I think it was the correct one.  I just think people are way too excited about him and are setting themselves up for disappointment.  It’s a lot easier for me to see him never making it into the Celtics rotation than it is for me to see him as a foundational piece, or even really a useful on that leaves after his rookie deal.  I hope he reaches his considerable ceiling, or even gets 80% of the way there. That would make the Celtics future even more bright than it already is.  I don’t see it happening, but I’d love to be wrong.

Just curious if you did indeed watch A&M games at all, or just basing this on what you've seen on highlights/draft videos?

There was absolutely no floor spacing. There were a lot of injuries.

Robert Williams fell supposedly due to his motor, and knee issues, but from what I've seen. He is a threat for a lob every time.

I watched a few.  I understand that A&M misused him terribly, and Billy Gillespie is on my list of worst college coaches.  But I also saw him get lit up by Mo Wagner in the tournament, both inside and out.  That’s problematic if he’s going to have trouble with stretch bigs.

Again, he has talent.  I’m not questioning it.  So did Larry Sanders.

The Celtics didn’t work him out.  I believe the last two players they didn’t work out and selected in the first round were also high-ceiling, lottery-projected players who fell — James Young and Gerald Green.

He skipped the draft combine, which is a bit odd for a player who was being talked about as on the fringe of the lottery.  The teams who worked him out and interviewed him all decided they liked someone more at that spot.  There’s a lot of information out there that says he most likely won’t pan out, so I’m just not going to get overly excited about him in advance, and save my exuberance if he does make it.

You’re of course all free to call him the second-coming of Bill Russell or Robert Parish.  It’s fun to be excited — I’m just not.

Thanks for your sobering thoughts, Saltlover.

Hope you are wrong. I know you hope you are wrong too!

Just curious, why do you think the Ohio State kid dropped so far? I know you liked him a lot, and thought he'd be gone before 27.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Sophomore on June 22, 2018, 10:46:06 AM
On a scale of Mickey to DeAndre Jordan, I think the most likely outcome here is Mickey.

I will be thrilled to be wrong. If he’s even serviceable as a rotation defender that would be a good outcome from the 27 pick. In addition to the obvious concerns, there are the knee issues that nbadraft.net low-key profiled. Worrying in a guy who depends on elite ability and skipped the combine. I hope we stole one here, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 10:51:04 AM
I think they still need to sign Baynes if possible.  They need him to defend big 5's like Embiid; Williams too young, and may not have right frame (narrow hips) to defend strong centers the way Baynes can. Unless they think Semi/Yabu can handle that load.
They're sending Baynes as the Celtics representative to the NBA awards ceremony. It sure sounds like Baynes and the team are confident he's going to stick around.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 10:51:58 AM
Danny at the press conference:

"Our roster...we don't, we don't need more young players, really. We feel good about adding 1."

So I am guessing no adding other young guys this year. Just vets?
That's how I see it. Probably trying to run it back with Baynes and Smart (if reasonable)

Honestly if they resign Smart and keep Bird, Williams could very well be the only new face on the roster (with Baynes departing).  I think they keep the 15th spot open until buyout season.  This will both offer them flexibility and help keep them below the tax after Smart’s new deal is signed.

I think they still need to sign Baynes if possible.  They need him to defend big 5's like Embiid; Williams too young, and may not have right frame (narrow hips) to defend strong centers the way Baynes can. Unless they think Semi/Yabu can handle that load.

Unless they trade Morris or Yabusele, I don’t think there’s room for Baynes on the roster.  If you look at a starting five of Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, then you have Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis as your 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye in there as well.  Williams obviously needs some room for developmental minutes, and presumably Yabusele also does if the team hasn’t given up on him.  Getting a rotation-level big/keeping Baynes is going to push us into the luxury tax, and that just doesn’t make all that much sense given the lack of room in the rotation as is. 

So without a trade, it makes more sense to wait for the buyout period and at that point pay someone the most you can afford without going over the tax to be the big to bang with Embiid in the playoffs.  In the meanwhile, it gets to be Horford, Theis, and one of the young bigs.  If there’s someone you can’t pass on who’s available for the minimum after Smart has signed his deal, you can re-evaluate then.  And again, if there’s a trade it’s obviously a different discussion.  But if you assume we’re keeing Smart, as I have done, there’s not much room for a pure center.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 10:53:09 AM
I like taking a swing at a talented big man. Just looking at the roster balance going forward he's the sort of player that the C's currently do not have. Plenty of young wings/guards not so much for big men.

C's hoping to get something about of him or Yabu.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 10:55:50 AM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

For reference, I was on record for Tatum last year, was perhaps the most vocal Kyrie trade supporter (i posted videos of IT and Kyrie showing how Kyrie was simply better, stats be [dang]ed) and after we got Morris I immediately researched and stated we won that trade. 

So I feel my opinion has been overall pretty solid the past year, and I love this pick.  This is not like selecting Fab Melo or Deyonta Davis, it's like picking DeAndre Jordan or Willie Caulie-Stein.

Not sure the motor criticisms are fair. His drb% is on par with the tops in the country, and much higher than JJJ and he has a very high block % as well.

It’s not like picking Willie Cauley-Stein.  WCS is not and will never be a perfect player, but he took a step forward in college every year.  Williams was the same player this year as he was last year.  He got suspended for 3 games at the beginning of the season for violating team rules (presumably pot). His on-court effort issues are widely agreed upon.

I get the pick.  I think it was the correct one.  I just think people are way too excited about him and are setting themselves up for disappointment.  It’s a lot easier for me to see him never making it into the Celtics rotation than it is for me to see him as a foundational piece, or even really a useful on that leaves after his rookie deal.  I hope he reaches his considerable ceiling, or even gets 80% of the way there. That would make the Celtics future even more bright than it already is.  I don’t see it happening, but I’d love to be wrong.

Just curious if you did indeed watch A&M games at all, or just basing this on what you've seen on highlights/draft videos?

There was absolutely no floor spacing. There were a lot of injuries.

Robert Williams fell supposedly due to his motor, and knee issues, but from what I've seen. He is a threat for a lob every time.

I watched a few.  I understand that A&M misused him terribly, and Billy Gillespie is on my list of worst college coaches.  But I also saw him get lit up by Mo Wagner in the tournament, both inside and out.  That’s problematic if he’s going to have trouble with stretch bigs.

Again, he has talent.  I’m not questioning it.  So did Larry Sanders.

The Celtics didn’t work him out.  I believe the last two players they didn’t work out and selected in the first round were also high-ceiling, lottery-projected players who fell — James Young and Gerald Green.

He skipped the draft combine, which is a bit odd for a player who was being talked about as on the fringe of the lottery.  The teams who worked him out and interviewed him all decided they liked someone more at that spot.  There’s a lot of information out there that says he most likely won’t pan out, so I’m just not going to get overly excited about him in advance, and save my exuberance if he does make it.

You’re of course all free to call him the second-coming of Bill Russell or Robert Parish.  It’s fun to be excited — I’m just not.

Thanks for your sobering thoughts, Saltlover.

Hope you are wrong. I know you hope you are wrong too!

Just curious, why do you think the Ohio State kid dropped so far? I know you liked him a lot, and thought he'd be gone before 27.

Lack of upside.  Once he dropped out of the end of the first round, it was a run of teams early in the second round who weren’t looking for cheap rotation players but rather cheap home runs, since they weren’t contenders.  Minnesota got a bargain.

And yes, I would love to be wrong on Williams.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: PAOBoston on June 22, 2018, 10:56:40 AM
I'm ok with the pick. At 27, I think he represented what it sounds like BPA and also solved a need for the team (basically a project big man/Monroe replacement).

He certainly has some physical tools to work with and he probably will benefit from getting drafted by a strong organization like the C's. Hope he takes that to heart and learns from Horford.

Offensively, not expecting much from him this year outside of Smart lobs for alley oops. He's gonna need to figure out the FT shooting to at least become passable. I don't understand how a basketball player

I think Capella has a similar FT percentage, and is about to get offered a $15 to $20mm per year contract. If Williams was an 80% FT shooter, would not have dropped to 27, get real.
Sorry I'm not full on green cool aid like most in here today.

I never said I disliked the pick. Just tempering expectations. He's a project and will need time. 43% FT is abysmal at any level. Not saying he can't turn it around, just pointing out the obvious that he will need to make an effort to improve that to be at least passable.

People in here make it sound like Cs just drafted a HOFer. This guy will likely be in Maine for large chunks of the year if they bring back Baynes.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 10:57:30 AM
"Not having room" for Baynes sounds like a great way end up with Horford playing 100% of his minutes at center or forcing Yabu/Williams into the rotation. Theis is coming back from a knee injury after all.

Even if Baynes ends up going somewhere else they'll sign some big to make sure that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 11:03:52 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 11:06:13 AM
I'm ok with the pick. At 27, I think he represented what it sounds like BPA and also solved a need for the team (basically a project big man/Monroe replacement).

He certainly has some physical tools to work with and he probably will benefit from getting drafted by a strong organization like the C's. Hope he takes that to heart and learns from Horford.

Offensively, not expecting much from him this year outside of Smart lobs for alley oops. He's gonna need to figure out the FT shooting to at least become passable. I don't understand how a basketball player

I think Capella has a similar FT percentage, and is about to get offered a $15 to $20mm per year contract. If Williams was an 80% FT shooter, would not have dropped to 27, get real.
Sorry I'm not full on green cool aid like most in here today.

I never said I disliked the pick. Just tempering expectations. He's a project and will need time. 43% FT is abysmal at any level. Not saying he can't turn it around, just pointing out the obvious that he will need to make an effort to improve that to be at least passable.

People in here make it sound like Cs just drafted a HOFer. This guy will likely be in Maine for large chunks of the year if they bring back Baynes.

Who's saying we drafted a "HOFer"? He's an athletic freak with crazy wingspan with very high college block and DRB % who fills a role on our team we desperately need.

What's not to be excited about? I mean if you're the type of guy that just loves drafting obscure guards for bench fodder just so you can tell yourself you're some type of amazing talent evaluator that doesn't buy into the "hype" I guess you might hate the pick.Other than that he's a steal at 27..
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 11:06:38 AM
"Not having room" for Baynes sounds like a great way end up with Horford playing 100% of his minutes at center or forcing Yabu/Williams into the rotation. Theis is coming back from a knee injury after all.

Even if Baynes ends up going somewhere else they'll sign some big to make sure that doesn't happen.

Unless and until they trade one of Morris or Yabusele, or they let Smart go in free agency, they don’t have room.  Both in terms of minutes and in space under the tax line.

I like Baynes, and I’d happily move Morris to make room for him.  I just don’t think we can assume that a trade to the Celtics liking will avail itself.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 11:07:04 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 11:09:20 AM
"Not having room" for Baynes sounds like a great way end up with Horford playing 100% of his minutes at center or forcing Yabu/Williams into the rotation. Theis is coming back from a knee injury after all.

Even if Baynes ends up going somewhere else they'll sign some big to make sure that doesn't happen.

Unless and until they trade one of Morris or Yabusele, or they let Smart go in free agency, they don’t have room.  Both in terms of minutes and in space under the tax line.

I like Baynes, and I’d happily move Morris to make room for him.  I just don’t think we can assume that a trade to the Celtics liking will avail itself.
The tax concerns are very real and I could see that leading to Smart or Baynes being let go.

Morris being on the roster effecting whether or not we carry a center who has proven he can play in a NBA game is a really weird opinion to be so confident about.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 11:09:52 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.

LOL Dude probably partied his arse off last night.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 11:10:24 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.
Yup. It is very real.

Apparently the Celtics wanted to do the conference call last night originally so this is the second delay.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 11:11:23 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.
Yup. It is very real.

Apparently the Celtics wanted to do the conference call last night originally so this is the second delay.

Does he have a phone?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.

LOL Dude probably partied his arse off last night.
Yeah I'm assuming he is in no state to talk to the media after a late night.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Sophomore on June 22, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
"Not having room" for Baynes sounds like a great way end up with Horford playing 100% of his minutes at center or forcing Yabu/Williams into the rotation. Theis is coming back from a knee injury after all.

Even if Baynes ends up going somewhere else they'll sign some big to make sure that doesn't happen.

Unless and until they trade one of Morris or Yabusele, or they let Smart go in free agency, they don’t have room.  Both in terms of minutes and in space under the tax line.

I like Baynes, and I’d happily move Morris to make room for him.  I just don’t think we can assume that a trade to the Celtics liking will avail itself.

If they plan to get to the finals they absolutely need a capable big to play alongside Horford - a big big. Don’t know what other pieces will prove easiest to rearrange, but Theis, while nice, isn’t enough. Baynes or his replacement is a high priority.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 22, 2018, 11:13:07 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.
Yup. It is very real.

Apparently the Celtics wanted to do the conference call last night originally so this is the second delay.

Not a great start for a kid who allegedly had personality questions.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 11:13:09 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.

LOL Dude probably partied his arse off last night.
Yeah I'm assuming he is in no state to talk to the media after a late night.

A bunch of media chodes would be the last people I would want to talk to the morning after I was drafted in to the NBA
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 22, 2018, 11:13:29 AM
It's a fine pick because you rarely see a guy with that high a ceiling that late in the draft. And our success and stable franchise environment shifts the risk/reward even farther in our direction.

The flipside is that his floor is the same as nearly any late 1st rounder - a swift washout. And the median outcome is probably just a guy who sticks in the league but never can hang onto any meaningful rotation role.

Just have to keep them all in mind. Williams could be a huge get for us, but he's more likely to be something disappointing or just serviceable. It can still be a pick to be really happy with even if the most likely outcomes aren't anywhere near the hype.



Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Ain't no party like a Wild Wings party I guess. No need to read too much into this yet but it sure feels a little Fab Melo-esque.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 11:14:35 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.
Yup. It is very real.

Apparently the Celtics wanted to do the conference call last night originally so this is the second delay.

I didn't see where that was posted. My understanding is that Stevens had originally planned to talk to him this morning, after releasing that in his post draft interview.

But if that is the case, this is not boding well for his 'attitude,' concerns. But I will let it slide, since he's 20, and just got drafted to his dream job... We have had players who have done things like this, the real answer is how they provide the explanation or make up for this mishap/misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 22, 2018, 11:15:29 AM
"Not having room" for Baynes sounds like a great way end up with Horford playing 100% of his minutes at center or forcing Yabu/Williams into the rotation. Theis is coming back from a knee injury after all.

Even if Baynes ends up going somewhere else they'll sign some big to make sure that doesn't happen.

Unless and until they trade one of Morris or Yabusele, or they let Smart go in free agency, they don’t have room.  Both in terms of minutes and in space under the tax line.

I like Baynes, and I’d happily move Morris to make room for him.  I just don’t think we can assume that a trade to the Celtics liking will avail itself.

I have a feeling Baynes comes back and the big loser in minutes will be Morris. I also have a feeling he's not going to respond to that well. So I wouldn't be surprised to see the kind of trade you're thinking of.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 22, 2018, 11:15:57 AM
"Not having room" for Baynes sounds like a great way end up with Horford playing 100% of his minutes at center or forcing Yabu/Williams into the rotation. Theis is coming back from a knee injury after all.

Even if Baynes ends up going somewhere else they'll sign some big to make sure that doesn't happen.

Unless and until they trade one of Morris or Yabusele, or they let Smart go in free agency, they don’t have room.  Both in terms of minutes and in space under the tax line.

I like Baynes, and I’d happily move Morris to make room for him.  I just don’t think we can assume that a trade to the Celtics liking will avail itself.

If they plan to get to the finals they absolutely need a capable big to play alongside Horford - a big big. Don’t know what other pieces will prove easiest to rearrange, but Theis, while nice, isn’t enough. Baynes or his replacement is a high priority.
If Williams will just  make Embiid's life a living hell for 25 min a game for the next decade I'm happy.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 11:16:57 AM
"Not having room" for Baynes sounds like a great way end up with Horford playing 100% of his minutes at center or forcing Yabu/Williams into the rotation. Theis is coming back from a knee injury after all.

Even if Baynes ends up going somewhere else they'll sign some big to make sure that doesn't happen.

Unless and until they trade one of Morris or Yabusele, or they let Smart go in free agency, they don’t have room.  Both in terms of minutes and in space under the tax line.

I like Baynes, and I’d happily move Morris to make room for him.  I just don’t think we can assume that a trade to the Celtics liking will avail itself.

I have a feeling Baynes comes back and the big loser in minutes will be Morris. I also have a feeling he's not going to respond to that well. So I wouldn't be surprised to see the kind of trade you're thinking of.

I think Morris is gone in a few months contingent on Ainge finding a cost controlled young player, or another under the radar draft pick like the Grizzlies from a contending team needing a SF/PF combo forward. Just no minutes on the floor for him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Mike Pemulis on June 22, 2018, 11:18:45 AM
Answer your phone, Robert.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1010179244545265664?s=21

Himmelsbach says it was a miscommunication on both sides
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 11:19:43 AM
"Not having room" for Baynes sounds like a great way end up with Horford playing 100% of his minutes at center or forcing Yabu/Williams into the rotation. Theis is coming back from a knee injury after all.

Even if Baynes ends up going somewhere else they'll sign some big to make sure that doesn't happen.

Unless and until they trade one of Morris or Yabusele, or they let Smart go in free agency, they don’t have room.  Both in terms of minutes and in space under the tax line.

I like Baynes, and I’d happily move Morris to make room for him.  I just don’t think we can assume that a trade to the Celtics liking will avail itself.
The tax concerns are very real and I could see that leading to Smart or Baynes being let go.

Morris being on the roster effecting whether or not we carry a center who has proven he can play in a NBA game is a really weird opinion to be so confident about.

It’s primarily a dollars thing with Morris.  After signing Smart I expect us to be within a million of the tax line.  Morris makes $5.375 million, which is right about the taxpayer MLE that will be the market for the top vet centers (reserve-level minutes variety) this summer.  In addition, Morris plays a lot of minutes at the 4, which you don’t need if you’re getting a center to give Horford more time at that spot on the floor.  So he’s the most natural out.

Yabusele is the next most natural because he’ll get you more than minimum salary room and is someone the Celtics should have some earnable minutes for at the 4-5 if he’s sticking around.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 11:20:02 AM
So yeah
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: bknova on June 22, 2018, 11:20:30 AM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 11:21:15 AM
I think Morris is gone in a few months contingent on Ainge finding a cost controlled young player, or another under the radar draft pick like the Grizzlies from a contending team needing a SF/PF combo forward. Just no minutes on the floor for him.
I'd set my expectations lower than what we got for Green for him. Team's are far more reluctant to move picks currently in the NBA. Plus Green was much more highly regarded than Morris.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: PAOBoston on June 22, 2018, 11:22:09 AM
I'm ok with the pick. At 27, I think he represented what it sounds like BPA and also solved a need for the team (basically a project big man/Monroe replacement).

He certainly has some physical tools to work with and he probably will benefit from getting drafted by a strong organization like the C's. Hope he takes that to heart and learns from Horford.

Offensively, not expecting much from him this year outside of Smart lobs for alley oops. He's gonna need to figure out the FT shooting to at least become passable. I don't understand how a basketball player

I think Capella has a similar FT percentage, and is about to get offered a $15 to $20mm per year contract. If Williams was an 80% FT shooter, would not have dropped to 27, get real.
Sorry I'm not full on green cool aid like most in here today.

I never said I disliked the pick. Just tempering expectations. He's a project and will need time. 43% FT is abysmal at any level. Not saying he can't turn it around, just pointing out the obvious that he will need to make an effort to improve that to be at least passable.

People in here make it sound like Cs just drafted a HOFer. This guy will likely be in Maine for large chunks of the year if they bring back Baynes.

Who's saying we drafted a "HOFer"? He's an athletic freak with crazy wingspan with very high college block and DRB % who fills a role on our team we desperately need.

What's not to be excited about? I mean if you're the type of guy that just loves drafting obscure guards for bench fodder just so you can tell yourself you're some type of amazing talent evaluator that doesn't buy into the "hype" I guess you might hate the pick.Other than that he's a steal at 27..
Where did I say I hate the pick? Just said he's a project and will not be an immediate contributor. That is all. Geesh.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 22, 2018, 11:22:13 AM
https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1010179244545265664?s=21

Himmelsbach says it was a miscommunication on both sides

Crisis averted.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 22, 2018, 11:22:51 AM
https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1010179244545265664?s=21

Himmelsbach says it was a miscommunication on both sides

Not a good sign when you’re barely 12 hours in and already need to do damage control.  His agent should have made sure he was available — unless he’s already gotten rid of his second agent since April.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 11:22:55 AM
Apparently the C's have already lost track of Williams and are delaying a conference call press event with him.

Is this for real? 

EDIT:  Just saw the tweet.  Yeesh.
Yup. It is very real.

Apparently the Celtics wanted to do the conference call last night originally so this is the second delay.

I didn't see where that was posted. My understanding is that Stevens had originally planned to talk to him this morning, after releasing that in his post draft interview.

But if that is the case, this is not boding well for his 'attitude,' concerns. But I will let it slide, since he's 20, and just got drafted to his dream job... We have had players who have done things like this, the real answer is how they provide the explanation or make up for this mishap/misunderstanding.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1010176439386337281

Miscommunication
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
I have had many miscommunications with my employer after a long night of celebrating, or eating too much spicy food  ;D
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Mike Pemulis on June 22, 2018, 11:25:18 AM
I've had miscommunications with ex girlfriends but never with my wife.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 11:27:40 AM
I've had miscommunications with ex girlfriends but never with my wife.

Lol, what?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: GratefulCs on June 22, 2018, 11:30:27 AM
I've had miscommunications with ex girlfriends but never with my wife.
TP

for the record i'm not worried about the day after the draft though
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 11:31:05 AM
I've had miscommunications with ex girlfriends but never with my wife.
TP

for the record i'm not worried about the day after the draft though
except in 1986
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on June 22, 2018, 11:33:02 AM
Convince me he is not the new Jared Sullinger
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 11:34:21 AM
Convince me he is not the new Jared Sullinger

He isn't overweight.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 11:35:36 AM
Convince me he is not the new Jared Sullinger

He isn't overweight.
He also doesn't have a red flagged back injury. (that's MPJ this draft)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 11:35:43 AM
Chris Forsberg with the funny tweet.

Quote
Celtics used to go entire summers without being able to track down Gerald Wallace so it happens.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Mike Pemulis on June 22, 2018, 11:36:04 AM
Anyhow, God I hope this pans out. If he's nearly as good as the Robert Parish, can we call him the Little Chief?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 11:38:43 AM
Anyhow, God I hope this pans out. If he's nearly as good as the Robert Parish, can we call him the Little Chief?
I prefer his Mom's knickname for him.

Boo Butt.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chris22 on June 22, 2018, 11:38:47 AM
I have waited for years for us to draft an athletic big.

I love the fact that his blocks stay in bounds and can start a fast break.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 22, 2018, 11:40:34 AM
Enough of the realism in this thread. Bovada has Williams 50/1 to win Rookie of the Year. Don't miss an opportunity to throw your money down on the second coming of Bill Russell!
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: boscel33 on June 22, 2018, 11:43:13 AM
I have waited for years for us to draft an athletic big.

I love the fact that his blocks stay in bounds and can start a fast break.

Wasn't Jérôme Moïso an athletic big.   ;D
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Mike Pemulis on June 22, 2018, 11:44:29 AM
Melo, Faveratti, Sully, KO, Mickey... Have any bigs panned out since Perkins (also taken at 27 in the 1st round)?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 11:47:52 AM
Call is rescheduled And will happen in 15 minutes:  https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/1010187084261257218?s=21
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on June 22, 2018, 11:49:27 AM
I love the enthusiasm around here but Williams has a better chance to become the next fab melo (RIP) than he does any number of the pie in the sky comps.  At #27 you expect to get a significantly flawed prospect and that's what he is.  No offense to speak of and a questionable motor.  Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

that is my concern. we have two bigs now who can rebound and block shots in DT and AB, DT has a huge motor. we need this new big to SCORE especially down low. can he do that??
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Mike Pemulis on June 22, 2018, 11:55:57 AM
BGL congrats on 9800 posts. I too love Theis. Will the minutes pan out if we lose Morris and Monroe? Theis can play a little PF, can't he?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
Convince me he is not the new Jared Sullinger

Sully had massive weight and back issues before he even entered the league. Those don't apply to Boo Butt at all..
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 12:22:06 PM
https://twitter.com/darren_hartwell/status/1010193806061383680?s=21

@darren_hartwell
Horrible audio quality on Robert Williams' conference call, but did hear this: He doesn't like being called Bob.

"You can call me Rob or Robert."

JaredWeissNBA
Replying to @darren_hartwell
That was about the only sentence that I could hear clearly on the entire call.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
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Biggest takeaways from Robert Williams’ rescheduled conference call:

* Celtics should buy him a new phone (bonus if it has an alarm)

* He does not want to be called Bob

* He was very tired after a busy draft day
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 22, 2018, 12:24:27 PM
Convince me he is not the new Jared Sullinger

Sully had massive weight and back issues before he even entered the league. Those don't apply to Boo Butt at all..

It's as simple as an elite NBA athlete vs a sub par athlete that couldn't stay in shape....
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 12:25:04 PM
Now I know the reason he didn't pick  up, Ainge called him bob yesterday during the rozier call:

ESPNForsberg
Biggest takeaways from Robert Williams’ rescheduled conference call:

* Celtics should buy him a new phone (bonus if it has an alarm)

* He does not want to be called Bob

* He was very tired after a busy draft day
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
Robert Williams reaction after drafted by Celtics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUpOsf1nCkE
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 12:27:42 PM
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 12:37:35 PM
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."
other teams are going to hate going against smart and Williams off the bench

Can't wait 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on June 22, 2018, 12:43:04 PM
ESPNForsberg
Biggest takeaways from Robert Williams’ rescheduled conference call:

* Celtics should buy him a new phone (bonus if it has an alarm)

* He does not want to be called Bob

* He was very tired after a busy draft day


So is every order draft pick, ever! Tired is the excuse? Man, I pray he grows up soon! He bought his mother a truck, he can afford 1000 alarm clocks and phones.


Last night I did a lot of searching and watching him and I came away with the thought that he could be excellent but I also saw he is a lot like Terry on social media but what I didn't see was Terry's work ethic. I found no one saying he was a hard worker. No videos of him doing anything other than flexing with a chain on him styling on pushups. Looking at pre draft workouts and he used the same answers each time as if coached, there was no deviation. What he did say was that all the teams kept telling him he needs to give more effort out there.

It's so weird learning about him because he seems like a guy we haven't picked in a long time. It's as though we went with only hard workers over the last few seasons, I hope he finds his way to that but I'm not feeling it (I know my opinion doesn't matter lol). Seems like a classic coaster.

S/N: we will know early if he is a worker because either CBS/DA will say he does or he doesn't. I have found they tell it like it is in that regard. Told us about guys that worked hard but also told us about Sully and Young when they didn't.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 22, 2018, 12:43:17 PM
I can't believe that The Lakers took Wagner over Williams. I like Mo Wagner and he's fun to watch but the Lakers are building an all no defense team.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: BlastFromThePast on June 22, 2018, 12:44:27 PM
Now I know the reason he didn't pick  up, Ainge called him bob yesterday during the rozier call:

ESPNForsberg
Biggest takeaways from Robert Williams’ rescheduled conference call:

* Celtics should buy him a new phone (bonus if it has an alarm)

* He does not want to be called Bob

* He was very tired after a busy draft day

Quoted with emphasis for the hilarity of that particular aspect of Forsberg's take.   ;D
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 22, 2018, 12:48:48 PM
I can't believe that The Lakers took Wagner over Williams. I like Mo Wagner and he's fun to watch but the Lakers are building an all no defense team.

Lakers will ALWAYS be the Lakers ....

Wagner was Seven Foot ....the giant inhe image of  Howard , Gasol  , kAJ ,  Lopez they paid out the nose for Mosgov even,  Shaq ......they are the Team or the Giant players . They always want THE best 7 footer .....Always. ... fans expect it.

I knew they would take him....100 %

They still want to give the fan s the same feel. as always . Domination though size with a KObe like player here and there.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: BlastFromThePast on June 22, 2018, 12:52:11 PM
I can't believe that The Lakers took Wagner over Williams. I like Mo Wagner and he's fun to watch but the Lakers are building an all no defense team.

First, Vagner (as it's pronounced) is better on D than people realize.

More to the point, it's a strong signal that Magic is going to trade Kuzma and other players (hate calling them "pieces", they're human beings not objects) for whichever Super Star he's targeting (either K. Leonard or perhaps 'Bron).

If the latter (S&T) as most people suspect given his ties to the LA area which would further 'Bron's long term marketing objectives, the Cavs would essentially become Laker's East, already trading for Nance and Clarkson, along with who else is sent over.   Ingram alone won't do it so Ingram + Ball, if reports are accurate 'Bron doesn't care for LaVar, and Deng for salary matching purposes sounds most likely.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 12:53:14 PM
I can't believe that The Lakers took Wagner over Williams. I like Mo Wagner and he's fun to watch but the Lakers are building an all no defense team.

Lakers will ALWAYS be the Lakers ....

Wagner was Seven Foot ....the giant inhe image of Gasol , kAJ ,  Lopez they paid out the nose for Mosgov even,  Shaq ......they are the Team or the Giant players .

I knew they would take him....100 %

They still want to give the fan s the same feel. as always . Domination though size with a KObe like player here and there.

Wagner will get destroyed on defense. Williams a much better fit for us...
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 22, 2018, 12:56:42 PM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.

Your worst case scenario is a lot closer to the median case scenario. The worst case is he's a Fab Melo-esque flameout who has the physical skills but not the mentality or work ethic to ever become a competent player.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 12:57:49 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 22, 2018, 01:01:19 PM
I can't believe that The Lakers took Wagner over Williams. I like Mo Wagner and he's fun to watch but the Lakers are building an all no defense team.

Lakers will ALWAYS be the Lakers ....

Wagner was Seven Foot ....the giant inhe image of Gasol , kAJ ,  Lopez they paid out the nose for Mosgov even,  Shaq ......they are the Team or the Giant players .

I knew they would take him....100 %

They still want to give the fan s the same feel. as always . Domination though size with a KObe like player here and there.

Wagner will get destroyed on defense. Williams a much better fit for us...

1000% agree.    They knew it too, but Wagner looks like a traditional Laker ....Image is ALL important with that franchise .    They are the same people who drive Hum Vees   .     
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 01:04:50 PM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.

Your worst case scenario is a lot closer to the median case scenario. The worst case is he's a Fab Melo-esque flameout who has the physical skills but not the mentality or work ethic to ever become a competent player.

FAB Melo had great size for a center but nothing exceptional in the quick/explosiveness department

RW floor should be higher.  Even if he gets beat on the drive initially, he is still able to block shots  in a blink of an eye. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 22, 2018, 01:04:52 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 01:06:24 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.

eh?

naw...they are different

Green is a good athlete but not above rim like Williams.  But Green has top level handles, iq for a PF (one of the best in the league).
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 01:08:54 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.

eh?

naw...they are different

Green is a good athlete but not above rim like Williams.  But Green has top level handles, iq for a PF (one of the best in the league).

I think he meant in terms of defensive intensity/wingspan/height, but other than that, they play nothing alike. Hopefully, Horford can instill his passing acumen into Williams.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:13:23 PM
ByJayKing
Robert Williams said he went to a relative's house last night right after the draft and went to sleep because he was so tired. His sister informed him this morning about the missed conference call.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chief Macho on June 22, 2018, 01:13:49 PM
Like I said in the other thread,  he reminds me of a Theo Ratliff
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 22, 2018, 01:19:41 PM
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:20:22 PM
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Robert Williams is pumped up to work with Al Horford.

"Horford is a great example, a great vet. He leads everyone so I'm happy to be around him."

Williams also said he's excited to land in such a "great organization."
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?

Andre Drummond, LeBron James, Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, and a few others come to mind.
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?
cousins? Then again cousins isn't the most amazing defender
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Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 01:22:06 PM
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?

Drummond had a bad rap about lack of competitiveness

Look how he turned out (considered a steal)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 22, 2018, 01:24:37 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.

eh?

naw...they are different

Green is a good athlete but not above rim like Williams.  But Green has top level handles, iq for a PF (one of the best in the league).

I think he meant in terms of defensive intensity/wingspan/height, but other than that, they play nothing alike. Hopefully, Horford can instill his passing acumen into Williams.

They are different but he's a defender like Green. Williams is only 20 and his handle, while not Green's, is decent for a big man. Williams has potential to function like Green does. I can see Williams guarding LeBron and switching onto guards etc... What pick was Green?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Dino Pitino on June 22, 2018, 01:25:47 PM
Now I know the reason he didn't pick  up, Ainge called him bob yesterday during the rozier call:

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Biggest takeaways from Robert Williams’ rescheduled conference call:

* Celtics should buy him a new phone (bonus if it has an alarm)

* He does not want to be called Bob

* He was very tired after a busy draft day

Quoted with emphasis for the hilarity of that particular aspect of Forsberg's take.   ;D

LOL.

He's gonna need a non-Bob nickname.

I can't believe we got a lottery talent at 27. Ridiculous luck.

Bona fide comparisons to Drummond and Jordan. Edit: And Ratliff!
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 01:38:30 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.

eh?

naw...they are different

Green is a good athlete but not above rim like Williams.  But Green has top level handles, iq for a PF (one of the best in the league).

I think he meant in terms of defensive intensity/wingspan/height, but other than that, they play nothing alike. Hopefully, Horford can instill his passing acumen into Williams.

They are different but he's a defender like Green. Williams is only 20 and his handle, while not Green's, is decent for a big man. Williams has potential to function like Green does. I can see Williams guarding LeBron and switching onto guards etc... What pick was Green?

2nd round... 30ish

Green came into the league where traditional centers still had value

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 01:40:44 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.

eh?

naw...they are different

Green is a good athlete but not above rim like Williams.  But Green has top level handles, iq for a PF (one of the best in the league).

I think he meant in terms of defensive intensity/wingspan/height, but other than that, they play nothing alike. Hopefully, Horford can instill his passing acumen into Williams.

They are different but he's a defender like Green. Williams is only 20 and his handle, while not Green's, is decent for a big man. Williams has potential to function like Green does. I can see Williams guarding LeBron and switching onto guards etc... What pick was Green?

Oh yeah I know, that's what I meant by defensive intensity/versatility. He's been asked to switch on guards, and can recover rather quickly.

Green was the 35th, and was apparently beloved by Mike Zarren.

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The Boston Celtics had two first-round picks in the 2012 NBA draft, and neither of them were used to select Draymond Green, a transcendent two-way force who’s single-handedly proving how influential a defender can be.

This was a mistake, but isn’t one anyone can fault the Celtics for making when 28 other teams did the exact same thing. The Golden State Warriors eventually snatched Green up in the second round (as their third pick of the draft), and the rest is history.

But at this year’s Sloan Sports Analytics Conference in Boston, former Celtics forward Brian Scalabrine revealed that the team’s assistant general manager, Mike Zarren, once had Green ranked third on his draft board. Instead, Boston selected Jared Sullinger at 21 and Fab Melo at 22.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 01:41:57 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.

eh?

naw...they are different

Green is a good athlete but not above rim like Williams.  But Green has top level handles, iq for a PF (one of the best in the league).

I think he meant in terms of defensive intensity/wingspan/height, but other than that, they play nothing alike. Hopefully, Horford can instill his passing acumen into Williams.

They are different but he's a defender like Green. Williams is only 20 and his handle, while not Green's, is decent for a big man. Williams has potential to function like Green does. I can see Williams guarding LeBron and switching onto guards etc... What pick was Green?

Oh yeah I know, that's what I meant by defensive intensity/versatility. He's been asked to switch on guards, and can recover rather quickly.

Green was the 35th, and was apparently beloved by Mike Zarren.

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The Boston Celtics had two first-round picks in the 2012 NBA draft, and neither of them were used to select Draymond Green, a transcendent two-way force who’s single-handedly proving how influential a defender can be.

This was a mistake, but isn’t one anyone can fault the Celtics for making when 28 other teams did the exact same thing. The Golden State Warriors eventually snatched Green up in the second round (as their third pick of the draft), and the rest is history.

But at this year’s Sloan Sports Analytics Conference in Boston, former Celtics forward Brian Scalabrine revealed that the team’s assistant general manager, Mike Zarren, once had Green ranked third on his draft board. Instead, Boston selected Jared Sullinger at 21 and Fab Melo at 22.

Danny and Docs fault
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 01:43:15 PM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.

eh?

naw...they are different

Green is a good athlete but not above rim like Williams.  But Green has top level handles, iq for a PF (one of the best in the league).

I think he meant in terms of defensive intensity/wingspan/height, but other than that, they play nothing alike. Hopefully, Horford can instill his passing acumen into Williams.

They are different but he's a defender like Green. Williams is only 20 and his handle, while not Green's, is decent for a big man. Williams has potential to function like Green does. I can see Williams guarding LeBron and switching onto guards etc... What pick was Green?

Oh yeah I know, that's what I meant by defensive intensity/versatility. He's been asked to switch on guards, and can recover rather quickly.

Green was the 35th, and was apparently beloved by Mike Zarren.

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The Boston Celtics had two first-round picks in the 2012 NBA draft, and neither of them were used to select Draymond Green, a transcendent two-way force who’s single-handedly proving how influential a defender can be.

This was a mistake, but isn’t one anyone can fault the Celtics for making when 28 other teams did the exact same thing. The Golden State Warriors eventually snatched Green up in the second round (as their third pick of the draft), and the rest is history.

But at this year’s Sloan Sports Analytics Conference in Boston, former Celtics forward Brian Scalabrine revealed that the team’s assistant general manager, Mike Zarren, once had Green ranked third on his draft board. Instead, Boston selected Jared Sullinger at 21 and Fab Melo at 22.

Danny and Docs fault

Everyone else besides the GSW missed out on him. Can't fault him alone for that... It happens when you're picking that late in the draft. This only tells you how valuable Mike Zarren is.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 01:50:02 PM
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?

Someone with RW's physical attributes can erase a ton of mistakes through sheer speed and athleticism.

That said, Weiss said one of the big reasons RW fell was due to the fact that no teams had his medicals.He didn't attend the combine so was basically a mystery man. The Celtics researched his medicals when he fell into the 20s and felt comfortable enough to move forward..
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 22, 2018, 01:50:53 PM
Let us hope we get his medicals soon so if he needs a knee procedure, we do that asap. Definitely always a risk when a late lottery prospect does not share medicals. It cost him money not to share it so my assumption is no bueno on that front. Just hope whatever is being hidden is not a full year recovery.

Oh, I do support the pick! But if there is a big injury we are blind about, It would stink for next year.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 01:51:35 PM
Let us hope we get his medicals soon so if he needs a knee procedure, we do that asap. Definitely always a risk when a late lottery prospect does not share medicals. It cost him money not to share it so my assumption is no bueno on that front. Just hope whatever is being hidden is not a full year recovery.

Oh, I do support the pick! But if there is a big injury we are blind about, It would stink for next year.

Celtics had his medicals last night before they picked him. They started to review them at around pick 17..
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 01:53:57 PM
Also watching film it's not necessarily true he has no offense outside the paint. I see he can face up and shoot to about 15-20 ocassionally.

His FT form really needs work however..

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on June 22, 2018, 01:56:55 PM
Melo, Faveratti, Sully, KO, Mickey... Have any bigs panned out since Perkins (also taken at 27 in the 1st round)?

KO was not a bust. Best big for Miami in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 01:57:06 PM
Let us hope we get his medicals soon so if he needs a knee procedure, we do that asap. Definitely always a risk when a late lottery prospect does not share medicals. It cost him money not to share it so my assumption is no bueno on that front. Just hope whatever is being hidden is not a full year recovery.

Oh, I do support the pick! But if there is a big injury we are blind about, It would stink for next year.

If you've seen the Rozier facetiming live on B/R's nba draft, you'll see that Ainge said he is pending the draft pick once he gets the medicals.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 02:00:39 PM
Yeah once Williams dropped out of the lottery, a number of teams in the lower half the draft got his medical information.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Fafnir on June 22, 2018, 02:02:29 PM
Not only did every team in the league pass on Green, would he even be the player he is today in most situations?

I could easily see him seen as a Marcus Smart level player if he wasn't on a team that enabled him to play his game and be such an impact defender.

Even the Warriors only gave him the starting job because Lee got hurt remember, Kerr has been very open with that.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticSooner on June 22, 2018, 02:17:25 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23864234/2018-nba-draft-six-big-first-round-winners
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 22, 2018, 02:19:09 PM
This isn’t a pick for the next year but the future, so I’m ok if he needs a procedure that may limit his playing time this season.

Assuming we are still going to resign Baynes, this is a great pick. If he turns into a Capela-esque player, Ainge stole the draft. If he’s doesn’t pan out, it was the 27th pick.

The playoffs we will roll with Horford/Baynes/Theis so no rush on this kid.

Let’s get KG in here to light his fire. If he is determined (and how can you not be on this team? Especially with Stevens able to get the most out of seemingly everyone), actually motivated to become great.... he can be.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 22, 2018, 02:32:52 PM
Cool, thanks everyone for info. Been traveling for business and have missed much of the news. I am super excited knowing they saw the info before picking. Seems like a perfext Aimge pick!
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Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 02:48:05 PM
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?
Defense and rebounding. Because shooting, post moves, and free throw shooting actually require putting in the hours...
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chris22 on June 22, 2018, 02:49:40 PM
This isn’t a pick for the next year but the future, so I’m ok if he needs a procedure that may limit his playing time this season.

Assuming we are still going to resign Baynes, this is a great pick. If he turns into a Capela-esque player, Ainge stole the draft. If he’s doesn’t pan out, it was the 27th pick.

The playoffs we will roll with Horford/Baynes/Theis so no rush on this kid.

Let’s get KG in here to light his fire. If he is determined (and how can you not be on this team? Especially with Stevens able to get the most out of seemingly everyone), actually motivated to become great.... he can be.

Anything's possible.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: nickagneta on June 22, 2018, 03:04:46 PM
If he plays consistently like he did in the tournament versus Providence and North Carolina, I will be happy with that.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Emmette Bryant on June 22, 2018, 03:08:23 PM
Let us hope we get his medicals soon so if he needs a knee procedure, we do that asap. Definitely always a risk when a late lottery prospect does not share medicals. It cost him money not to share it so my assumption is no bueno on that front. Just hope whatever is being hidden is not a full year recovery.

Oh, I do support the pick! But if there is a big injury we are blind about, It would stink for next year.

Celtics had his medicals last night before they picked him. They started to review them at around pick 17..

I heard he has a nebuloma on his knee.
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?
Defense and rebounding. Because shooting, post moves, and free throw shooting actually require putting in the hours...

With his physical tools, just playing hard on defense and rim running may be enough to stick in the rotation. Maybe it's true that he hasn't had the professional work ethic to really hone himself skill-wise, but Texas A&M also isn't the Celtics in terms of the support & training available.
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?
Defense and rebounding. Because shooting, post moves, and free throw shooting actually require putting in the hours...

With his physical tools, just playing hard on defense and rim running may be enough to stick in the rotation. Maybe it's true that he hasn't had the professional work ethic to really hone himself skill-wise, but Texas A&M also isn't the Celtics in terms of the support & training available.

Even if he was "coasting" he was a heck of a player. I mean he really is able to increase his effort we could have a monster on our hands. Compare his college stats to Embiid:

Embiid:

ORtg: 116.6 DRtg: 90.9
PER 28.2 eFG% .629 2P% .639 3P% .200
ORBD % 12.7 DRBD% 27.3 Block % 11.7
WS 3.4 WS/40 .213
OBPM 4.7 DBPM 10.2 BPM 14.9

Williams:

ORtg: 113.5 DRtg: 90.2
PER 25.5 eFG% .632 2P% .668 3P% .111
ORBD % 10.2 DRBD% 26.8 Block % 10.4
WS 3.5 WS/40 .184
OBPM 2.5 DBPM 9.4 BPM 11.9

Doesn't look that bad in comparison. He probably won't be Embiid of course but potential is very high..
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 22, 2018, 03:28:23 PM
6'10, 240 lbs, 7'5 wingspan, 40" vertical.  Am I missing something here?  I don't see why people are not doing cartwheels over this pick.  If you watched Brad Stevens interview you will actually see him smile/smirk when talking about Williams.  That's a surefire sign that Brad is very pleased with this draft selection and he already has ideas how he could use him.

https://youtu.be/PTrzMWk9Y5c

Our head coach emphasized the words athletic and above the rim.  Rob Williams brings us a dynamic and athletic rim protector to Boston! 

Really can't ask more from the #27 pick.  Honestly Williams could have been taken in the top 10-15 picks and nobody would have batted an eyelash.

Check out his athleticism alone and tell me that isn't tantalizing potential!  He could become a physically dominant 5 if he reaches his ceiling.

https://youtu.be/LwMuMY73Tgo
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Phantom255x on June 22, 2018, 03:33:50 PM
I think this was a BEAUTIFUL pick at #27. Usually at #27, you go for the guy with the most upside and hope someone falls a bit so you can grab him. Robert Williams was that guy last night, and he was presumed a lottery pick not long ago.

I know folks were looking at Bruce Brown, Khyri Thomas, Grayson Allen, etc., but honestly those guys mainly projected as role players in this league with decent-but-not-that-high upside.

Is there risk? Yes, but it's a gamble worth taking IMO. Also, he may not be as polished as Tatum was, but I think the C's can afford to wait a year if needed to let him get more adjusted (like Jaylen his first year). Having guys like Horford, CBS, hopefully Smart, etc. should help him with his maturity and adjusting to the league as well.

And I know the logic is usually always to take the best player available, but I think it was a HUGE BONUS for us to land the BPA at #27 that ALSO fills a need for us (athletic, shot-blocking big who has the upside to be like Clint Capela or DeAndre Jordan). And we don't even need to rely on Williams to score in bunches to win games each night (the way our team is constructed). I mean, Capela and Jordan don't usually score 18+ a night for their teams, but they are still all-star caliber players who contribute and help their respective teams a ton, right?  

Ultimately, we may need to be patient with Williams in his rookie year, but there's a lot of potential and there's a reason most Draft experts think this could be the late "steal" of the 1st round  ;D
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Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?
Defense and rebounding. Because shooting, post moves, and free throw shooting actually require putting in the hours...

With his physical tools, just playing hard on defense and rim running may be enough to stick in the rotation. Maybe it's true that he hasn't had the professional work ethic to really hone himself skill-wise, but Texas A&M also isn't the Celtics in terms of the support & training available.

Even if he was "coasting" he was a heck of a player. I mean he really is able to increase his effort we could have a monster on our hands. Compare his college stats to Embiid:

Embiid:

ORtg: 116.6 DRtg: 90.9
PER 28.2 eFG% .629 2P% .639 3P% .200
ORBD % 12.7 DRBD% 27.3 Block % 11.7
WS 3.4 WS/40 .213
OBPM 4.7 DBPM 10.2 BPM 14.9

Williams:

ORtg: 113.5 DRtg: 90.2
PER 25.5 eFG% .632 2P% .668 3P% .111
ORBD % 10.2 DRBD% 26.8 Block % 10.4
WS 3.5 WS/40 .184
OBPM 2.5 DBPM 9.4 BPM 11.9

Doesn't look that bad in comparison. He probably won't be Embiid of course but potential is very high..

TP for the solid info.

This is also considering the fact they lost their PG, RW got suspended for a few games, and playing out of position. He's going to be a perfect asset and scary on defense.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 03:46:11 PM
So it's confirmed he overslept. Laker forums were laughing about it (http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=183331&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=11775) even after last night they wondered how Celtics stole Williams from them. Seems they're coping still

 Robert Williams, the Boston Celtics' first-round selection in the 2018 draft, admitted he overslept the team's originally scheduled introductory conference call on Friday morning, although the team believes it was simply a miscommunication compounded by different time zones.

The Celtics snagged Williams with the No. 27 pick but ran into troubles trying to get him on the phone in the aftermath of the selection, including with Friday's 11 a.m. EST call.


"Right after the draft, I actually ran to my aunt's house and went to sleep because I was so tired from everything," Williams said Friday afternoon in a call that took place an hour later than originally scheduled. "When I woke up, my sister woke me up, she said, 'You have a conference call.'"

Williams later noted that it was, "a good night's sleep after a busy two days."

The Celtics were not concerned about the missed call, in part because of the time difference. Poor audio hindered the follow-up call as Williams' phone broke up repeatedly while answering questions during a 10-minute session with reporters.

The Celtics plan to formally introduce Williams next Friday in Boston.

Williams, an athletic 6-foot-10 big man out of Texas A&M, was ranked No. 12 on ESPN's final predraft big board, but there were concerns about both a knee injury and his approach to the game. Missing the initial call, accidental or otherwise, did not seemingly help dispel some of those concerns as social media had a field day with his absence.

The Celtics were deemed one of the night's winners after Williams slid to them. Williams seems to already have motivation from those that doubt him, especially after falling in the first round.

"You always have people that doubt you," said Williams. "I know that I'm definitely going to make a lot of noise when I get there."

Some wondered if Williams hurt his stock by returning for a sophomore season with the Aggies, but he said he does not second-guess his decision.

"Definitely no regrets," said Williams. "I definitely feel like everything happens for a reason."
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 03:54:07 PM
Anyhow, God I hope this pans out. If he's nearly as good as the Robert Parish, can we call him the Little Chief?
I prefer his Mom's knickname for him.

Boo Butt.

Not bad ;D, but I've got a new one for him - phone home ::).
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 03:57:14 PM
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Biggest takeaways from Robert Williams’ rescheduled conference call:

* Celtics should buy him a new phone (bonus if it has an alarm)

* He does not want to be called Bob

* He was very tired after a busy draft day


So is every order draft pick, ever! Tired is the excuse? Man, I pray he grows up soon! He bought his mother a truck, he can afford 1000 alarm clocks and phones.


Last night I did a lot of searching and watching him and I came away with the thought that he could be excellent but I also saw he is a lot like Terry on social media but what I didn't see was Terry's work ethic. I found no one saying he was a hard worker. No videos of him doing anything other than flexing with a chain on him styling on pushups. Looking at pre draft workouts and he used the same answers each time as if coached, there was no deviation. What he did say was that all the teams kept telling him he needs to give more effort out there.

It's so weird learning about him because he seems like a guy we haven't picked in a long time. It's as though we went with only hard workers over the last few seasons, I hope he finds his way to that but I'm not feeling it (I know my opinion doesn't matter lol). Seems like a classic coaster.


S/N: we will know early if he is a worker because either CBS/DA will say he does or he doesn't. I have found they tell it like it is in that regard. Told us about guys that worked hard but also told us about Sully and Young when they didn't.

TP :).
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 03:57:36 PM
Anyhow, God I hope this pans out. If he's nearly as good as the Robert Parish, can we call him the Little Chief?
I prefer his Mom's knickname for him.

Boo Butt.

Not bad ;D, but I've got a new one for him - phone home ::).

 ;D ;D ;D

Sister should just start calling him CC.

He'll be like, "what does that mean?"

"Conference call. You missed a conference call, again."
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 04:01:07 PM
https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1010179244545265664?s=21

Himmelsbach says it was a miscommunication on both sides

Not a good sign when you’re barely 12 hours in and already need to do damage control.  His agent should have made sure he was available — unless he’s already gotten rid of his second agent since April.

(https://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif?noredirect)

This guy is GOLD ::).
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 04:03:12 PM
https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1010179244545265664?s=21

Himmelsbach says it was a miscommunication on both sides

Not a good sign when you’re barely 12 hours in and already need to do damage control.  His agent should have made sure he was available — unless he’s already gotten rid of his second agent since April.

(https://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif?noredirect)

This guy is GOLD ::).

Lol, you really don't like this pick.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
This was a good pick,  7'5" wingspan, can guard the perimeter, 6'10" with a 40 inch vertical !

https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/videos/10154878620491006/

He lacks skills but lordy does he have potential.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)

Stevens said he's very high on him.

I still wanted Spellman, but I'm gonna trust Steven's judgement.

I don't like the fact he had immaturity issues and terrible shooting mechanics, but we gotta give him a chance.

Man, they say that same crap every year, lol ::) ;D. Didn't Stevens also say that R.J. Hunter was going to have a great career ::)? I just, I can't, lol ;D.

Don't get me wrong, I'll certainly be watching the guy in the Summer League, etc., but it's just never a good idea to take any guy with a sub-par motor and/or work ethic, imo, as those are characteristics that you simply cannot teach, in my view. You've either got it or you don't, to me, but we'll see as to what happens.

Had Williams been drafted by the Warriors, for example, I could have seen that possibly panning out owing to Draymond and company constantly being in his ear and all that comes with being immersed in a championship environment, but I really don't know about this one, man, and what's the deal with Khyri Thomas?

All this complaining about Williams when your binky didn't even get drafted? ROFL

Yes, I have legitimate concerns about Williams - sue me ::).

Given your track record of Celtic picks you have disparaged in the past (Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier), Williams will probablyl turn out to be a spectacular pick.

Actually, I thought that Rozier was okay, and while I would not have picked him, myself, I could at least see as to why Ainge liked him in that Terry is an athletic combo guard who can create his own shot.

Still, at least Rozier stayed up for the conference call, even if he did jump into a pool right after being drafted, lol ::) ;D.

Having said all of that, yes, I was wrong about Brown :), and I really do hope that Williams pans out, but I just don't like taking players with questionable motors and/or problems related to work ethic, among other things :-\.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 22, 2018, 04:07:56 PM
Some very smart posters here, like Salt and Roy, seem very bearish on Williams.  Don't be fooled, I've scouted pretty well over the past decade to 12 years when I bother to watch, and I think Williams is a great pick, and attones for passing on DeAndre Jordan.

For reference, I was on record for Tatum last year, was perhaps the most vocal Kyrie trade supporter (i posted videos of IT and Kyrie showing how Kyrie was simply better, stats be [dang]ed) and after we got Morris I immediately researched and stated we won that trade. 

So I feel my opinion has been overall pretty solid the past year, and I love this pick.  This is not like selecting Fab Melo or Deyonta Davis, it's like picking DeAndre Jordan or Willie Caulie-Stein.

Not sure the motor criticisms are fair. His drb% is on par with the tops in the country, and much higher than JJJ and he has a very high block % as well.

It’s not like picking Willie Cauley-Stein.  WCS is not and will never be a perfect player, but he took a step forward in college every year.  Williams was the same player this year as he was last year.  He got suspended for 3 games at the beginning of the season for violating team rules (presumably pot). His on-court effort issues are widely agreed upon.

I get the pick.  I think it was the correct one.  I just think people are way too excited about him and are setting themselves up for disappointment.  It’s a lot easier for me to see him never making it into the Celtics rotation than it is for me to see him as a foundational piece, or even really a useful on that leaves after his rookie deal.  I hope he reaches his considerable ceiling, or even gets 80% of the way there. That would make the Celtics future even more bright than it already is.  I don’t see it happening, but I’d love to be wrong.

Just curious if you did indeed watch A&M games at all, or just basing this on what you've seen on highlights/draft videos?

There was absolutely no floor spacing. There were a lot of injuries. Their point guard Caldwell was kicked off the team, two other teammates also got suspended for a few games, and he was next to a non-floor stretching big. And no competent passers for a lob catching/rim running big.

Robert Williams fell supposedly due to his motor, and knee issues, but from what I've seen. He is a threat for a lob every time.

Positives:
Can handle the ball somewhat, will be able to do give and go's.
Midrange shot is still weak, but showed a lot of improvement.
Lob catcher, A&M threw lobs from almost full court, (despite how many frugal passers there were on the team,) and explosive athlete.
His passing is actually underrated skill set of his.
Elite defender, smart at keeping ball within the court

Negatives:
How worrisome are knee concerns
Not a fluid athlete
Handling/shooting form is very suspect, very inconsistent
Doesn't do a lot of the little things
Passing needs more shape up

Basically all of his concerns minus shooting/ball handling, a good coach/leader can inspire him to do better.

Capela/DeAndre Jordan literally couldn't shoot a mid range to save their life. I think Williams could.

Ok Salt, so I see you aren't sooo bearish, but re: WCS, you wanna compare his freshman stats to Robert Williams?  Because they aren't even comparable. 

Just because Williams stayed another year and his stock fell, like other defensive wizards Marcus Smart and Joakim Noah, doesn't diminish the fact that he was a lottery freshman in the very deep 2017 draft, and could be a real find for us.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Emmette Bryant on June 22, 2018, 04:11:37 PM
If RW3 overslept the day after the draft that's okay with me.

I still remember the day after the draft that the Celtics took Len Bias.

 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 04:24:49 PM
Anyhow, God I hope this pans out. If he's nearly as good as the Robert Parish, can we call him the Little Chief?
I prefer his Mom's knickname for him.

Boo Butt.

Not bad ;D, but I've got a new one for him - phone home ::).

 ;D ;D ;D

Sister should just start calling him CC.

He'll be like, "what does that mean?"

"Conference call. You missed a conference call, again."

Lol, happy 500th TP for that one ;D.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 22, 2018, 04:27:11 PM


Welcome to Boston, Bob.  To be honest, the more blunders you make, the harder I will defend you.  If you prove to be cut from the same cloth as the greats that came before you - Nate, Delonte, Sheed, Ricky - you will have at least one fan for life. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 04:30:19 PM


Welcome to Boston, Bob.  To be honest, the more blunders you make, the harder I will defend you.  If you prove to be cut from the same cloth as the greats that came before you - Nate, Delonte, Sheed, Ricky - you will have at least one fan for life.

You mean Robert
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 04:38:39 PM
Lets not make a big deal about the missed call

Matter of fact the Celts should have scheduled it for like 11-12 pm his time

Now if this becomes a pattern while he is here... room him with Smart . Thats what I would do  ;D
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 04:50:04 PM
https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1010179244545265664?s=21

Himmelsbach says it was a miscommunication on both sides

Not a good sign when you’re barely 12 hours in and already need to do damage control.  His agent should have made sure he was available — unless he’s already gotten rid of his second agent since April.

(https://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif?noredirect)

This guy is GOLD ::).

Lol, you really don't like this pick.

I guess you could say that he's the ultimate...draft sleeper ;) ::) ;D *groan*.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on June 22, 2018, 05:15:46 PM
Melo, Faveratti, Sully, KO, Mickey... Have any bigs panned out since Perkins (also taken at 27 in the 1st round)?

KO was not a bust. Best big for Miami in the playoffs.

Exactly! He isn't giannis is what people hang onto! Also, Sully failed because of off court issues.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: rochrist on June 22, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.

Your worst case scenario is a lot closer to the median case scenario. The worst case is he's a Fab Melo-esque flameout who has the physical skills but not the mentality or work ethic to ever become a competent player.

Fab had NO skills other than height. He was essentially a poor man's Fred Munster.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.

Your worst case scenario is a lot closer to the median case scenario. The worst case is he's a Fab Melo-esque flameout who has the physical skills but not the mentality or work ethic to ever become a competent player.

Fab had NO skills other than height. He was essentially a poor man's Fred Munster.

The Fab Melo comparison is about as lazy as Fab Melo was.

RIP though, I mean no disrespect, but can we stop comparing Melo to Williams? Maybe they have similar laziness/ineptitude for professionalism/work ethics, but Williams was gifted with 7'6 wingspan, defensive instincts, and the ability to grab a rebound mid air. He already runs the floor faster than Melo could ever dream of on the court.

Oh, to top it off the 40 inch vertical. Melo averaged 4.9 PPG and 3.8 RPG in his senior in Syracuse. Williams is already double that, not to mention Melo couldn't even sniff more than 7 RPG in D-League. That is just embarrassing.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 22, 2018, 05:47:02 PM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.

Your worst case scenario is a lot closer to the median case scenario. The worst case is he's a Fab Melo-esque flameout who has the physical skills but not the mentality or work ethic to ever become a competent player.

Fab had NO skills other than height. He was essentially a poor man's Fred Munster.

The Fab Melo comparison is about as lazy as Fab Melo was.

RIP though, I mean no disrespect, but can we stop comparing Melo to Williams? Maybe they have similar laziness/ineptitude for professionalism/work ethics, but Williams was gifted with 7'6 wingspan, defensive instincts, and the ability to grab a rebound mid air. He already runs the floor faster than Melo could ever dream of on the court.

Oh, to top it off the 40 inch vertical. Melo averaged 4.9 PPG and 3.8 RPG in his senior in Syracuse. Williams is already double that, not to mention Melo couldn't even sniff more than 7 RPG in D-League. That is just embarrassing.

Honestly can't think of a worse comparison.I was a big Melo cheerleader too.I wanted the guy to succeed. It was just obvious the guy had zero feel for the game, was clumsy and uncoordinated as any player you'll find in the NBA and wasn't committed to getting better. Williams is an elite athlete who has some professionalism questions.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on June 22, 2018, 05:48:29 PM
Lets not make a big deal about the missed call

Matter of fact the Celts should have scheduled it for like 11-12 pm his time

Now if this becomes a pattern while he is here... room him with Smart . Thats what I would do  ;D

How about we room him with someone who doesn't punch things when upset (twice)? Apparently, RW already likes to throw tantrums when things don't go well. Maybe roomies with Tat or Brown.


I love the pick, I just need him to work on getting his pro mentality together! He was a no-brainer at 27 and I would have been happy with him if we took him in the lottery. Got a lot of growing up to do, thank God he's on our Celtics with so many outstanding examples on what a pro should be, we have great examples from young and vet guys!

I know everyone thinks being a lottery pick is where you want to go but give me good money and a team like Celts, spurs or GSW and I'd be jumping for joy! Phx had a really good draft IMO but no one can convince me that Jackson didn't see Tat's opportunity last season and think he called that situation wrong. Yes, Tatum had more of a chance to shine do to a huge injury but he was already a starter game 1, with a fully healthy team! A really good group of players who were a lock for the playoffs Day 1. Getting to play in the playoffs even in a reduced role, could do so much for players, especially when you take into account how hard it is for guys that young to even experience the playoffs.

Have a chip for not being picked earlier but be thankful you landed with one of the best organizations in sports than with Sactown!

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Dino Pitino on June 22, 2018, 08:11:53 PM
I just can't get over our good fortune that from #7 to #25 it was all guards and wings, not one team figured they needed a big, except for LA who took Wagner. What a stroke of luck, or a series of strokes. It's enough to make me want to run back everybody, don't lose anybody, just run back the same team. Smart, Rozier, Baynes. Get back Kyrie, Hayward, and Theis. Add this Williams kid. A full 48 minutes of flexible havoc. So pumped for next year. But first, summer league!
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chris22 on June 22, 2018, 09:40:18 PM
I just can't get over our good fortune that from #7 to #25 it was all guards and wings, not one team figured they needed a big, except for LA who took Wagner. What a stroke of luck, or a series of strokes. It's enough to make me want to run back everybody, don't lose anybody, just run back the same team. Smart, Rozier, Baynes. Get back Kyrie, Hayward, and Theis. Add this Williams kid. A full 48 minutes of flexible havoc. So pumped for next year. But first, summer league!

This.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: droopdog7 on June 22, 2018, 09:52:54 PM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.

Your worst case scenario is a lot closer to the median case scenario. The worst case is he's a Fab Melo-esque flameout who has the physical skills but not the mentality or work ethic to ever become a competent player.

Fab had NO skills other than height. He was essentially a poor man's Fred Munster.

The Fab Melo comparison is about as lazy as Fab Melo was.

RIP though, I mean no disrespect, but can we stop comparing Melo to Williams? Maybe they have similar laziness/ineptitude for professionalism/work ethics, but Williams was gifted with 7'6 wingspan, defensive instincts, and the ability to grab a rebound mid air. He already runs the floor faster than Melo could ever dream of on the court.

Oh, to top it off the 40 inch vertical. Melo averaged 4.9 PPG and 3.8 RPG in his senior in Syracuse. Williams is already double that, not to mention Melo couldn't even sniff more than 7 RPG in D-League. That is just embarrassing.

Honestly can't think of a worse comparison.I was a big Melo cheerleader too.I wanted the guy to succeed. It was just obvious the guy had zero feel for the game, was clumsy and uncoordinated as any player you'll find in the NBA and wasn't committed to getting better. Williams is an elite athlete who has some professionalism questions.
The comparison that people are making is that both were late picks.  There is a reason that Williams was picked 27.  The expectations people are putting on this guy are not realistic.  Without looking at the data, there is a bigger chance that he’s a flop than a serviceable player.   So excuse me for not getting terribly excited about him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Bobshot on June 22, 2018, 10:18:31 PM
The Celtics are loaded. The kid that dropped to them in the draft has all the skills that they don't have.

The only question right now is how much Lebron screws up the power balance.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 22, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.

Your worst case scenario is a lot closer to the median case scenario. The worst case is he's a Fab Melo-esque flameout who has the physical skills but not the mentality or work ethic to ever become a competent player.

Fab had NO skills other than height. He was essentially a poor man's Fred Munster.

The Fab Melo comparison is about as lazy as Fab Melo was.

RIP though, I mean no disrespect, but can we stop comparing Melo to Williams? Maybe they have similar laziness/ineptitude for professionalism/work ethics, but Williams was gifted with 7'6 wingspan, defensive instincts, and the ability to grab a rebound mid air. He already runs the floor faster than Melo could ever dream of on the court.

Oh, to top it off the 40 inch vertical. Melo averaged 4.9 PPG and 3.8 RPG in his senior in Syracuse. Williams is already double that, not to mention Melo couldn't even sniff more than 7 RPG in D-League. That is just embarrassing.

Honestly can't think of a worse comparison.I was a big Melo cheerleader too.I wanted the guy to succeed. It was just obvious the guy had zero feel for the game, was clumsy and uncoordinated as any player you'll find in the NBA and wasn't committed to getting better. Williams is an elite athlete who has some professionalism questions.
The comparison that people are making is that both were late picks.  There is a reason that Williams was picked 27.  The expectations people are putting on this guy are not realistic.  Without looking at the data, there is a bigger chance that he’s a flop than a serviceable player.   So excuse me for not getting terribly excited about him.

I get your point. The honest side of me knows this possibility.

This is the difference between "hopeful" and "expecting," even though they are synonyms.

I'm hopeful that Williams can make good on his athleticism and talent in the perfect situation.

I'm expecting that a player of his athleticism is at least able to log a few minutes here and there over an 8 year career, at least part of which will be in Boston.

I'm hopeful that Williams can give us the athletic rim runner we've lacked.

I'm not expecting he will be anything more than Jordan Mickey.

I'm hopeful that Williams will develop his competitiveness in the Celtics culture, and get a chip on his shoulder from his draft position.

I'm not expecting he'll ever play a meaningful playoff minute.

I'm hopeful he can be part of the Brown-Tatum core moving forward.

I'm not expecting anything from him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 22, 2018, 10:23:51 PM
Its pick 27. 

Wildly best case: He becomes a cornerstone defensive big in the mold of De'Andre, Cappella.

Worst Case:  Third big off the bench good for a couple dunks, a block and six fouls.

Most likely scenario: Decent bench rotation player, good for a solid 15 minutes a night.

If you expect anything different out of a 27 pick, I don't know what else to tell you.  He adds to the length of the team, and if can use that length and athleticism effectively for 15 to 20 minutes a night, this is a home run.  And if he never gets it, he doesn't cost much and he'll be trade filler or not re-signed at the end of his rookie deal.

Your worst case scenario is a lot closer to the median case scenario. The worst case is he's a Fab Melo-esque flameout who has the physical skills but not the mentality or work ethic to ever become a competent player.

Fab had NO skills other than height. He was essentially a poor man's Fred Munster.

The Fab Melo comparison is about as lazy as Fab Melo was.

RIP though, I mean no disrespect, but can we stop comparing Melo to Williams? Maybe they have similar laziness/ineptitude for professionalism/work ethics, but Williams was gifted with 7'6 wingspan, defensive instincts, and the ability to grab a rebound mid air. He already runs the floor faster than Melo could ever dream of on the court.

Oh, to top it off the 40 inch vertical. Melo averaged 4.9 PPG and 3.8 RPG in his senior in Syracuse. Williams is already double that, not to mention Melo couldn't even sniff more than 7 RPG in D-League. That is just embarrassing.

Honestly can't think of a worse comparison.I was a big Melo cheerleader too.I wanted the guy to succeed. It was just obvious the guy had zero feel for the game, was clumsy and uncoordinated as any player you'll find in the NBA and wasn't committed to getting better. Williams is an elite athlete who has some professionalism questions.
The comparison that people are making is that both were late picks.  There is a reason that Williams was picked 27.  The expectations people are putting on this guy are not realistic.  Without looking at the data, there is a bigger chance that he’s a flop than a serviceable player.   So excuse me for not getting terribly excited about him.
Capella was also a late pick and he's a much better comparison for Williams than Fab. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Bobshot on June 22, 2018, 10:24:14 PM
6'10, 240 lbs, 7'5 wingspan, 40" vertical.  Am I missing something here?  I don't see why people are not doing cartwheels over this pick.  If you watched Brad Stevens interview you will actually see him smile/smirk when talking about Williams.  That's a surefire sign that Brad is very pleased with this draft selection and he already has ideas how he could use him.

https://youtu.be/PTrzMWk9Y5c

Our head coach emphasized the words athletic and above the rim.  Rob Williams brings us a dynamic and athletic rim protector to Boston! 

Really can't ask more from the #27 pick.  Honestly Williams could have been taken in the top 10-15 picks and nobody would have batted an eyelash.

Check out his athleticism alone and tell me that isn't tantalizing potential!  He could become a physically dominant 5 if he reaches his ceiling.

https://youtu.be/LwMuMY73Tgo

Bill Russell was 6-10 and 220 lbs in his first game on 12/22/56 in Boston Garden against the Hawks. He had 16 rebounds and 6 pts, with countless blocks in 21 min. It was nationally televised on a Sunday aft. Saw it on TV as a kid. He was something no one had ever seen before in the NBA.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Tr1boy on June 22, 2018, 10:45:34 PM
Probably the best scouting video of RW by DE

RW vs Arizona (it was from his 1st college season, but sounds like things didn't improve in year 2).  The good and the bad.   nbadraft unfortunately looks like they got the comparison dead on (Stromile Swift).  Active (but not always) and likes to roam around,  instead of nuts and bolts (on defense especially).  The lack of boxing out vs depending on athleticism/reach is a little disappointing to see ....  won't be able to get away with laziness at the nba level

Smart, Horford will be good role models for RW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLhy4TvFoQ4&t=21s
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 22, 2018, 11:00:04 PM
6'10, 240 lbs, 7'5 wingspan, 40" vertical.  Am I missing something here?  I don't see why people are not doing cartwheels over this pick.  If you watched Brad Stevens interview you will actually see him smile/smirk when talking about Williams.  That's a surefire sign that Brad is very pleased with this draft selection and he already has ideas how he could use him.

https://youtu.be/PTrzMWk9Y5c

Our head coach emphasized the words athletic and above the rim.  Rob Williams brings us a dynamic and athletic rim protector to Boston! 

Really can't ask more from the #27 pick.  Honestly Williams could have been taken in the top 10-15 picks and nobody would have batted an eyelash.

Check out his athleticism alone and tell me that isn't tantalizing potential!  He could become a physically dominant 5 if he reaches his ceiling.

https://youtu.be/LwMuMY73Tgo

Bill Russell was 6-10 and 220 lbs in his first game on 12/22/56 in Boston Garden against the Hawks. He had 16 rebounds and 6 pts, with countless blocks in 21 min. It was nationally televised on a Sunday aft. Saw it on TV as a kid. He was something no one had ever seen before in the NBA.

Russell was amazing! He jumped over a guy once going to the hoop. I've never seen anyone else do that.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Emmette Bryant on June 22, 2018, 11:01:35 PM
6'10, 240 lbs, 7'5 wingspan, 40" vertical.  Am I missing something here?  I don't see why people are not doing cartwheels over this pick.  If you watched Brad Stevens interview you will actually see him smile/smirk when talking about Williams.  That's a surefire sign that Brad is very pleased with this draft selection and he already has ideas how he could use him.

https://youtu.be/PTrzMWk9Y5c

Our head coach emphasized the words athletic and above the rim.  Rob Williams brings us a dynamic and athletic rim protector to Boston! 

Really can't ask more from the #27 pick.  Honestly Williams could have been taken in the top 10-15 picks and nobody would have batted an eyelash.

Check out his athleticism alone and tell me that isn't tantalizing potential!  He could become a physically dominant 5 if he reaches his ceiling.

https://youtu.be/LwMuMY73Tgo

Bill Russell was 6-10 and 220 lbs in his first game on 12/22/56 in Boston Garden against the Hawks. He had 16 rebounds and 6 pts, with countless blocks in 21 min. It was nationally televised on a Sunday aft. Saw it on TV as a kid. He was something no one had ever seen before in the NBA.

TP for being a Celtics fan longer than me.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 23, 2018, 12:24:36 AM
They put him next to greg Monroe for now
Also it looks like he will wear #44

(https://image.ibb.co/eJDP5T/FD08_B3_B2_6_B29_4_ADD_85_C3_8890_FD99_E680.png)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on June 23, 2018, 01:24:30 AM
A little bit of an aside. As much as Fab Melo didn't pan out, I think it is harsh people making it sound like he couldn't play basyat all.

Consider this triple double for instance.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rCm4qtBLJE
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 01:35:29 AM
They put him next to greg Monroe for now
Also it looks like he will wear #44

(https://image.ibb.co/eJDP5T/FD08_B3_B2_6_B29_4_ADD_85_C3_8890_FD99_E680.png)
More importantly they put him next to Bill Russell. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 23, 2018, 02:33:16 AM
The more I review Robert Williams he compares much better to Drummond than Capela

Capela is not as explosive as Williams nor Drummond.  Williams ceiling is Drummond but with a shot and better perimeter skills.  Which would be scary

I think Draymond Green is a good comp for Williams.

eh?

naw...they are different

Green is a good athlete but not above rim like Williams.  But Green has top level handles, iq for a PF (one of the best in the league).

I think he meant in terms of defensive intensity/wingspan/height, but other than that, they play nothing alike. Hopefully, Horford can instill his passing acumen into Williams.

They are different but he's a defender like Green. Williams is only 20 and his handle, while not Green's, is decent for a big man. Williams has potential to function like Green does. I can see Williams guarding LeBron and switching onto guards etc... What pick was Green?

Oh yeah I know, that's what I meant by defensive intensity/versatility. He's been asked to switch on guards, and can recover rather quickly.

Green was the 35th, and was apparently beloved by Mike Zarren.

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The Boston Celtics had two first-round picks in the 2012 NBA draft, and neither of them were used to select Draymond Green, a transcendent two-way force who’s single-handedly proving how influential a defender can be.

This was a mistake, but isn’t one anyone can fault the Celtics for making when 28 other teams did the exact same thing. The Golden State Warriors eventually snatched Green up in the second round (as their third pick of the draft), and the rest is history.

But at this year’s Sloan Sports Analytics Conference in Boston, former Celtics forward Brian Scalabrine revealed that the team’s assistant general manager, Mike Zarren, once had Green ranked third on his draft board. Instead, Boston selected Jared Sullinger at 21 and Fab Melo at 22.

Yeah, I remember that draft well. 2 picks back to back, and I wanted 2 of Draymond, Sully, and Royce White. Was not happy with Fab Melo, and disappointed that Sully tricked me.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 23, 2018, 02:42:09 AM
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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?
Defense and rebounding. Because shooting, post moves, and free throw shooting actually require putting in the hours...

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 23, 2018, 02:47:56 AM
They put him next to greg Monroe for now
Also it looks like he will wear #44

(https://image.ibb.co/eJDP5T/FD08_B3_B2_6_B29_4_ADD_85_C3_8890_FD99_E680.png)
More importantly they put him next to Bill Russell.
lol and the white mamba allowed him to use #44
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Scintan on June 23, 2018, 03:28:26 AM

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

People keep quoting his measurables as if they mean something.  They mean nothing if he can't harness them.  Maybe people need to watch more NFL drafts, or something, to understand how useless measurables are in the end. 

He can play, or learn to play, or he can't, regardless of his weight, wingspan, and jumping ability.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 23, 2018, 03:37:15 AM

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

People keep quoting his measurables as if they mean something.  They mean nothing if he can't harness them.  Maybe people need to watch more NFL drafts, or something, to understand how useless measurables are in the end. 

He can play, or learn to play, or he can't, regardless of his weight, wingspan, and jumping ability.
He's already proven that he can play defence at an elite college level, and rebound similarly. Of course those don't just translate, but it's a good indicator.

I think part of his motor questions stem from him being played out of position and just used poorly in general by his coach. Playing 2 bigs who can't shoot with 1 shooter on the perimeter is destined for failure. I think here, where basically everyone on the roster who isn't Marcus Smart can shoot the 3, he will absolutely thrive
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 23, 2018, 04:15:35 AM

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

People keep quoting his measurables as if they mean something.  They mean nothing if he can't harness them.  Maybe people need to watch more NFL drafts, or something, to understand how useless measurables are in the end. 

He can play, or learn to play, or he can't, regardless of his weight, wingspan, and jumping ability.

He averaged 12-8-1.4 on 56% shooting as a freshman playing in a bad system, with 2.7 blocks and .7 steals a game in 25 minutes. Other than Jaren Jackson Jr hitting 3’s and hitting a good FT%, which obviously do matter, Williams put up #4 pick in the draft #’s. He’d have been a top 12 pick last year.

You’re quoting intangibles as if they’re the only thing. Study up.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 05:07:01 AM

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

People keep quoting his measurables as if they mean something.  They mean nothing if he can't harness them.  Maybe people need to watch more NFL drafts, or something, to understand how useless measurables are in the end. 

He can play, or learn to play, or he can't, regardless of his weight, wingspan, and jumping ability.

He averaged 12-8-1.4 on 56% shooting as a freshman playing in a bad system, with 2.7 blocks and .7 steals a game in 25 minutes. Other than Jaren Jackson Jr hitting 3’s and hitting a good FT%, which obviously do matter, Williams put up #4 pick in the draft #’s. He’d have been a top 12 pick last year.

You’re quoting intangibles as if they’re the only thing. Study up.

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Robert Williams: "I feel like I love defense. I feel like most of all, I thrive off of defense."

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that his best attributes are his defense and rebounding but his big question is his competitiveness? How many players have you ever heard of that are lazy but great defenders?
Defense and rebounding. Because shooting, post moves, and free throw shooting actually require putting in the hours...

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

I'd say that Hassan Whiteside, Robert Upshaw, and Mitchell Robinson share many of those same attributes :-\.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 23, 2018, 05:20:49 AM
Not sure the motor criticisms are fair. His drb% is on par with the tops in the country, and much higher than JJJ and he has a very high block % as well.

It’s not like picking Willie Cauley-Stein.  WCS is not and will never be a perfect player, but he took a step forward in college every year.  Williams was the same player this year as he was last year.  He got suspended for 3 games at the beginning of the season for violating team rules (presumably pot). His on-court effort issues are widely agreed upon.

I get the pick.  I think it was the correct one.  I just think people are way too excited about him and are setting themselves up for disappointment.  It’s a lot easier for me to see him never making it into the Celtics rotation than it is for me to see him as a foundational piece, or even really a useful on that leaves after his rookie deal.  I hope he reaches his considerable ceiling, or even gets 80% of the way there. That would make the Celtics future even more bright than it already is.  I don’t see it happening, but I’d love to be wrong.

Just curious if you did indeed watch A&M games at all, or just basing this on what you've seen on highlights/draft videos?

There was absolutely no floor spacing. There were a lot of injuries. Their point guard Caldwell was kicked off the team, two other teammates also got suspended for a few games, and he was next to a non-floor stretching big. And no competent passers for a lob catching/rim running big.

Robert Williams fell supposedly due to his motor, and knee issues, but from what I've seen. He is a threat for a lob every time.

Positives:
Can handle the ball somewhat, will be able to do give and go's.
Midrange shot is still weak, but showed a lot of improvement.
Lob catcher, A&M threw lobs from almost full court, (despite how many frugal passers there were on the team,) and explosive athlete.
His passing is actually underrated skill set of his.
Elite defender, smart at keeping ball within the court

Negatives:
How worrisome are knee concerns
Not a fluid athlete
Handling/shooting form is very suspect, very inconsistent
Doesn't do a lot of the little things
Passing needs more shape up

Basically all of his concerns minus shooting/ball handling, a good coach/leader can inspire him to do better.

Capela/DeAndre Jordan literally couldn't shoot a mid range to save their life. I think Williams could.

Ok Salt, so I see you aren't sooo bearish, but re: WCS, you wanna compare his freshman stats to Robert Williams?  Because they aren't even comparable. 

Just because Williams stayed another year and his stock fell, like other defensive wizards Marcus Smart and Joakim Noah, doesn't diminish the fact that he was a lottery freshman in the very deep 2017 draft, and could be a real find for us.

Yeah I watched some Williams games, especially last year with the Nets pick in hand.

Robert Williams played 25.6 and 25.8 minutes a game his 2 years at Texas A&M, almost exactly the same minutes as Doncic, who Saltlover comfortably projects to lofty Per 36 Minute stats.

Williams played enough for college's Per 40 Minute stats to apply.  Cauley Stein, Wendell Carter & Bamba qualify too.  DeAndre Jordan didn't play a lot, he's in the mix but his #'s are wonky. 

Here are the Career Per 40 Minute #'s of WCS (3 years), RW3 (2) & DJ/MB/WC (1):

           PPG   RPG   APG SPG  BPG FG%  3P%    FT%  TO   PF    ORtg  DRtg
RW3    17.3  13.5  2.2   1.1  3.9  59%  7%    54%  2.7  3.1  113.6  92.9
WCS    13.1  10.2   1.4   1.8  3.6  59%  0%    51%   2.0  3.8  116.6  87.1
Bamba 17.1  14.0  0.7   1.0  4.9  54%  27%  68%  2.0  3.4  118.5 89.6
Carter  20.2  13.5  3.0   1.3  3.1  56%  41%  74%  3.0  4.0  125.3  92.8 
Jordan 15.8   11.9   0.9   0.4  2.5  61%  0%     44%  3.2  3.8   Unavailable

I bolded every metric that is effectively top 2 in the group.  As you can see, the top 3 guys in bolded metrics are Bamba, the 6th pick, Carter Jr, the 7th pick... and Robert Williams, the 27th pick, over Willie Cauley Stein, a top 5 pick, and DeAndre Jordan, an All Star.  It's solid data. 

This has to be reassuring.  And if we only did 1 year for Williams, he'd still look good.

Robert Williams #'s from ONLY freshman year, to comp with Bamba, Carter and DJ:

         PPG   RPG  APG  SPG BPG  FG% 3P%  FT%  TO   PF    ORtg  DRtg
RW3  18.4  12.6  2.2   1.0   3.8   56% 11%  59%  2.7  2.8  113.5  95.7

Bold is #2 in the group of 5 (he's actually #1 in PF) and italics is #3, so you can see here that he is top 3 in this good group of 5 at every individual metric, but played with bad teammates in a bad system with bad spacing that didn't exploit his strengths, so his O & D Rtg #'s aren't elite.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Who on June 23, 2018, 06:36:59 AM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 23, 2018, 07:51:50 AM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on June 23, 2018, 09:22:11 AM
I agree with others: wingspan matters more than height.  He’s got length and strength, which is all you need in the modern NBA. 

If he works hard, and if he has roughly average basketball IQ, he will be a useful player. Not necessarily Capela/Jordan, but a guy who can easily put up 8 points, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: mef730 on June 23, 2018, 09:26:06 AM
https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1010179244545265664?s=21

Himmelsbach says it was a miscommunication on both sides

Not a good sign when you’re barely 12 hours in and already need to do damage control.  His agent should have made sure he was available — unless he’s already gotten rid of his second agent since April.

(https://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif?noredirect)

This guy is GOLD ::).

Lol, you really don't like this pick.

I guess you could say that he's the ultimate...draft sleeper ;) ::) ;D *groan*.

Ughhh, TP, against my better judgment. 😉

Seriously, though, I am concerned about missing his first press appearance as a Celtic. If you have a clean record, you can get away with it. But this guy fell from the lottery to #27, primarily because he was viewed as a problem child. This was not a good start to repair that image.

Mike
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 23, 2018, 09:51:54 AM
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I agree with others: wingspan matters more than height.

This guy also has next level athletic ability.   It is safe to say that his jumping goes to 11 if you catch my Spinal Tap reference.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Who on June 23, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 23, 2018, 11:32:40 AM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.

This may come as a surprise to some, but Williams is the same height and wingspan as both DeAndre Jordan and Anthony Davis.

Jordan measured at 6'10'' at the combine his draft year. The same as Williams.

I think he can play center.

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Bobshot on June 23, 2018, 11:36:03 AM
I agree with others: wingspan matters more than height.  He’s got length and strength, which is all you need in the modern NBA. 


You check the wingspans of all the major bigs. They're all 7-4, 7-5. Wilt was 7-8. Bamba 7-10 is unusual.

Russell was 7-4. Williams is about same size as Russell, but Russ was 20 lbs lighter as a rookie. Russell was a leaper like Williams, but in his day nobody else could jump like that. Nowadays, it's much more common--the athleticism has increased.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 11:41:22 AM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.

He was 6’9” in the summer of 2015 (hadn’t turned 18 yet), and as far as I can tell that was his last official measurement in a camp or combine setting.  His standing reach is reportedly 9’4”, which is plenty tall enough.  He’s not undersized — just maybe built a little differently.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Bobshot on June 23, 2018, 11:43:26 AM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.

Russell was 6-9, 220 lbs. 7-4 wingspan. Numbers similar to Williams, but a different era. Many more like that now.

Russell played centers who were 7-1, 7-2 to a standstill with his defensive skills and leaping/blocking ability. Wilt was much bigger, yet he defended him better than anybody. Held him to 30ppg when he was averaging 50ppg.

Williams could be a diamond in the rough. We'll just have to see how he develops and how he is used.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
Here's a good article on Williams.  Only played 1 year of high level AAU.  I consider that a plus. 

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“I feel like I stepped up and became the leader on defense for my team,” Williams said. “Last year, we were lost. We didn’t know who was leading. We didn’t know who was going to step up. We all waited to see who was going to be the next man up, who was going to take control. This year, we’re telling each other, ‘Hey, get on your s—.’ I feel like I’ve done a great job doing that.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/robert-williams-unlikely-return-paved-way-texas-sweet-16-run-011215394.html


Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 01:13:19 PM
For those knocking the Williams pick, who would you have chosen instead? 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: kozlodoev on June 23, 2018, 01:23:21 PM
For those knocking the Williams pick, who would you have chosen instead?
Who's knocking the Williams pick?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: kozlodoev on June 23, 2018, 01:25:07 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 23, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

Official measurement at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy was 6'8.5'' with a 7'4'' wingspan.

That's when he was 17 years old.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 01:37:09 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

He has been measured, just not since 2015.  His wingspan was 7’4” as a 17 year-old.  7’5” might be wrong, but it’s more likely to be right than 7’3” is.

TP to DWC for scooping me by 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 01:47:38 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.
It really doesn't matter if he is 6'9" or 6'10" or if his wingspan is 7'4" or 7'5".  He's really long and very athletic and he uses both of those attributes really well when he plays. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 23, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

Official measurement at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy was 6'8.5'' with a 7'4'' wingspan.

That's when he was 17 years old.

Well he hasn't shrunk, that's for sure.  When I watch him block shots, his wingspan looks 8', LOL.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: kozlodoev on June 23, 2018, 01:58:10 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

Official measurement at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy was 6'8.5'' with a 7'4'' wingspan.

That's when he was 17 years old.

Well he hasn't shrunk, that's for sure.  When I watch him block shots, his wingspan looks 8', LOL.
Sure, but Nike Basketball Academy is not an "official measurement". The only official and reliable measurement happens at the combine.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Birdman on June 23, 2018, 02:01:30 PM
At 27. What u got to lose..im thrilled
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 23, 2018, 02:47:02 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

Official measurement at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy was 6'8.5'' with a 7'4'' wingspan.

That's when he was 17 years old.

Well he hasn't shrunk, that's for sure.  When I watch him block shots, his wingspan looks 8', LOL.
Sure, but Nike Basketball Academy is not an "official measurement". The only official and reliable measurement happens at the combine.

I don't know how to answer this. It's a measurement at an officially recognized basketball event in the states. It may not be official by NBA standards, but this seems like a pedantic critique made by someone unwilling to accept that he might be wrong.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: kozlodoev on June 23, 2018, 03:16:58 PM
I don't know how to answer this. It's a measurement at an officially recognized basketball event in the states. It may not be official by NBA standards, but this seems like a pedantic critique made by someone unwilling to accept that he might be wrong.
It's not a measurement at an NBA sanctioned event. Typically, those tend to be all over the place, and I wouldn't take any of them without a grain of salt. That is all.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Chris22 on June 23, 2018, 03:22:30 PM
He looks  6'10" to me.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on June 23, 2018, 03:28:21 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.

Do you know how many guys classified as pure centers by basketball-reference played 30+ mpg last season?

Seven, none of whom averaged as many as 34 minutes.

Add guys who swing to center, and you’re up to 14 players.  That’s less than half the league (and we’ve got one of them, Horford).

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 04:21:36 PM
I don't know how to answer this. It's a measurement at an officially recognized basketball event in the states. It may not be official by NBA standards, but this seems like a pedantic critique made by someone unwilling to accept that he might be wrong.
It's not a measurement at an NBA sanctioned event. Typically, those tend to be all over the place, and I wouldn't take any of them without a grain of salt. That is all.

What percentage of players measured at the Nike Hoops Summit measure as smaller a couple of years later when the combine comes around?  Do you have any data to say that the premier amateur combine event attended by the heads of every NBA scouting department is unreliable?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 04:30:32 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.

Do you know how many guys classified as pure centers by basketball-reference played 30+ mpg last season?

Seven, none of whom averaged as many as 34 minutes.

Add guys who swing to center, and you’re up to 14 players.  That’s less than half the league (and we’ve got one of them, Horford).

This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: dmopower on June 23, 2018, 05:46:41 PM
I just read he has a 9'4" standing reach.  Jordan Mickey had a 8'10" Standing reach.  This puts Williams up there with DJ and DH as far as standing reach with more hops. What have we got to lose? 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: mctyson on June 23, 2018, 06:15:29 PM
Could be our Ben Wallace.

Probably not, but I would be happy with a Reggie Evans.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: mctyson on June 23, 2018, 06:19:53 PM
Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

This is very true yet people still cite Fab Melo and JR Giddens when questioning Ainge's draft record.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: mctyson on June 23, 2018, 06:25:04 PM
Convince me he is not the new Jared Sullinger

He isn't overweight.
He also doesn't have a red flagged back injury. (that's MPJ this draft)

That being said, Sullinger was (is) a very skilled player who also had freakish wingspan and was a quite solid contributor for the franchise for a while.  If he could hit the 3 at a 40% clip he might be in an 8-man rotation right now.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 23, 2018, 06:35:01 PM
Convince me he is not the new Jared Sullinger

He isn't overweight.
He also doesn't have a red flagged back injury. (that's MPJ this draft)

That being said, Sullinger was (is) a very skilled player who also had freakish wingspan and was a quite solid contributor for the franchise for a while. If he could hit the 3 at a 40% clip he might be in an 8-man rotation right now.

Yeah that doesn't make any sense to be honest. Sullinger has never ever hit the 30% mark, let alone going over 4 full points % over the league average of 36.

It isn't even the fact Sullinger couldn't shoot 3's, it is the fact that he never improved his conditioning, and could never play past 30 minutes ever in his career. Ainge has given him many chances and warned him to lose weight.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 23, 2018, 07:10:02 PM
Quote
That being said, Sullinger was (is) a very skilled player who also had freakish wingspan and was a quite solid contributor for the franchise for a while.  If he could hit the 3 at a 40% clip he might be in an 8-man rotation right now.

More like Ate men rotation.  You should go into comedy because that is the funniest thing I have read in a month or two.   Brilliant Sarcasm!

Nope.  His Defense was very poor.    He was lazy and ate himself out of the league.   He played because we did not have better not because he was a solid player.   He never shot well.  Never defended well, had conditioning issues his whole tenure and played himself out of the league.  The moment we got better players and he was off his rookie contract he was gone.

He could rebound.

They have shown zero interest in bringing him back.   
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)

Forget the fact that Wallace was actually 6'7", iirc, as the guy had an insatiable desire to win and a motor that never quit, which are two of the very traits that Williams completely lacks, so aside from his measurables, I honestly don't see as to how they are at all similar players, but hopefully I'm wrong :).
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 07:52:13 PM
This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 08:00:58 PM
https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1010179244545265664?s=21

Himmelsbach says it was a miscommunication on both sides

Not a good sign when you’re barely 12 hours in and already need to do damage control.  His agent should have made sure he was available — unless he’s already gotten rid of his second agent since April.

(https://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif?noredirect)

This guy is GOLD ::).

Lol, you really don't like this pick.

I guess you could say that he's the ultimate...draft sleeper ;) ::) ;D *groan*.

Ughhh, TP, against my better judgment. 😉

Seriously, though, I am concerned about missing his first press appearance as a Celtic. If you have a clean record, you can get away with it. But this guy fell from the lottery to #27, primarily because he was viewed as a problem child. This was not a good start to repair that image.

Mike

Haha, thanks. Sorry about all of these let's call them "jokes" ;) ::) ;D, but I'm afraid that the horrible wit gene, if there even is such a thing, btw, lol ;D, is completely out of control as of right meow ;D.

As for the rest, yeah, that's my problem, as well, and even when people were mocking me after I said that I had legitimate concerns about the guy on draft night, I never would have imagined that the dude would have missed his first introduction to the Boston media, etc. Good grief ::).

Perhaps since he obviously loves Buffalo Wild Wings so much, he should get an alarm clock or set up something similar on his phone that goes off with Shaq saying, "Barbecue Chicken Alert!" ;) ::) ;D Ugh.

Sorry that you didn't find any Mickey Mantle rookie cards, btw, haha.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 23, 2018, 08:04:53 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)

Forget the fact that Wallace was actually 6'7", iirc, as the guy had an insatiable desire to win and a motor that never quit, which are two of the very traits that Williams completely lacks, so aside from his measurables, I honestly don't see as to how they are at all similar players, but hopefully I'm wrong :).
Well, he’s billed as 6’9” according to ESPN and BBallRef, but maybe it was the afro :P
He also never achieved anything until Detroit took a flyer on him, with much more serious question marks (like a lack of any NBA talent) than Williams has. They also play quite similarly. Protect the ring in a similar manner, and chase boards in a similar manner. The line was obviously tongue-in-cheek, but there are definitely similarities
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 08:19:08 PM
This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.

I don’t see all that much.  But I don’t get to see him in practice and know what the Celtics are asking him to work on and do when he gets in games.  If he’s in the right place and making the right reads and rotations, that’s important, even though we wouldn’t be able to see it in his limited time on court. He was drafted as a project, and he does need to be viewed through that lens, especially in his first year.

But what I’m saying is that he has $2.6 million guaranteed this year, and as we’re tight against the tax, it would be best if he can be at least a small contributor, even if it’s as the 11th man in the rotation.  We don’t have the the salary space to release him and take on a minimum free agent in all likelihood, so that’s why I’m against cutting him.  If he’s completely useless, it will cost something to move him, and I’d rather not have to spend something to get rid of him.  But as I said in the post you quoted, if he can’t be relied on for a few minutes a game, then that’s what needs to happen. 

I’d be disappointed if it came to that, because it’d have been a waste of a mid-1st, but I guess I knew there’d be a few misses with all the 1st Ainge accumulated, so if this is one, so be it.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 23, 2018, 08:22:11 PM
This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.
he was a 21 year old rookie playing in the US for the first time. he is better than the vast majority of gleague dregs. let's give another year and see if he develops or not. capela took a year or two, as did bradley, and perk.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: footey on June 23, 2018, 08:35:35 PM
I just read he has a 9'4" standing reach.  Jordan Mickey had a 8'10" Standing reach.  This puts Williams up there with DJ and DH as far as standing reach with more hops. What have we got to lose?

That’s incredible if true.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on June 23, 2018, 08:42:34 PM
I just read he has a 9'4" standing reach.  Jordan Mickey had a 8'10" Standing reach.  This puts Williams up there with DJ and DH as far as standing reach with more hops. What have we got to lose?

That’s incredible if true.
They list it as that in this pre-draft article written by a Denver guy: https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/12/17457288/nba-draft-prospect-robert-williams-scouting-report-denver-nuggets

Who knows how accurate it is, but if he has that standing reach with that athleticism that’s a crazy good start
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 08:46:28 PM
I just read he has a 9'4" standing reach.  Jordan Mickey had a 8'10" Standing reach.  This puts Williams up there with DJ and DH as far as standing reach with more hops. What have we got to lose?

That’s incredible if true.
They list it as that in this pre-draft article written by a Denver guy: https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/12/17457288/nba-draft-prospect-robert-williams-scouting-report-denver-nuggets

Who knows how accurate it is, but if he has that standing reach with that athleticism that’s a crazy good start

The ringer has the same measurements, and I’d seen it a couple other places as well, although I can’t find the original source for any.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 23, 2018, 09:46:38 PM
I don't know how to answer this. It's a measurement at an officially recognized basketball event in the states. It may not be official by NBA standards, but this seems like a pedantic critique made by someone unwilling to accept that he might be wrong.
It's not a measurement at an NBA sanctioned event. Typically, those tend to be all over the place, and I wouldn't take any of them without a grain of salt. That is all.

Picture of Williams and Ayton standing next to each other.
https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsircharlesincharge.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2017%2F12%2F887877276-valley-of-the-sun-shootout-st-johns-v-grand-canyon.jpg.jpg&c=sc&w=850&h=560

Ayton is 7'1'' (measured 7'0'' in shoes at the 2014 Lebron James skills academy -- not official, I know, but he did not attend the combine)

Picture of Williams and Jontay Porter standing close to each other. Even with perspective, Williams looks taller.
https://www.semoball.com/photos/30/36/55/3036552-B.jpg

Porter is 6'11.5'' (measured OFFICIALLY at the combine in shoes)

I'm sure you'll say they're not official. That's true.

I don't know how much more official "not official" can get than the evidence we have that Williams is closer to 6'11'' than 6'8''.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: bellerephon on June 23, 2018, 09:57:42 PM
We need to be careful about pictures like this. They are not standing right next to each other and are not standing straight up with feet together. That means we can’t really use that as a good comparison.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 10:00:00 PM
We need to be careful about pictures like this. They are not standing right next to each other and are not standing straight up with feet together. That means we can’t really use that as a good comparison.

Well some posters (or at least one) won’t accept Nike camp measurements, so it’s all we’ve got.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: bellerephon on June 23, 2018, 10:09:50 PM
I’m willing to accept the Nike camp measurements as his minimum size, even if they are not officially NBA measurements I suspect they would not be too far off. I also can believe he has grown since then, but there’s no way to know how much right now.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 23, 2018, 10:14:50 PM
We need to be careful about pictures like this. They are not standing right next to each other and are not standing straight up with feet together. That means we can’t really use that as a good comparison.

Well some posters (or at least one) won’t accept Nike camp measurements, so it’s all we’ve got.

This. I'm still digging. Instead of googling, I'm now looking up the photo galleries from teams that have NBA players that attended the combine last year or this year. I'll post the results later.

:)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 10:18:46 PM
We need to be careful about pictures like this. They are not standing right next to each other and are not standing straight up with feet together. That means we can’t really use that as a good comparison.

Well some posters (or at least one) won’t accept Nike camp measurements, so it’s all we’ve got.

This. I'm still digging. Instead of googling, I'm now looking up the photo galleries from teams that have NBA players that attended the combine last year or this year. I'll post the results later.

:)

I think it’s best to let it go.  You had the correct response hours ago.  Those Nike numbers are far more likely to miss on the low side than the high side given that he was 17 at the time.  People will believe what they want to.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on June 23, 2018, 10:26:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2piforS.jpg)

Not exactly next to each other, but Davis is 6'10. I would presume the 6'9 part of Williams is correct. But can't really with Davis's hair  ::)
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 23, 2018, 10:26:46 PM
We need to be careful about pictures like this. They are not standing right next to each other and are not standing straight up with feet together. That means we can’t really use that as a good comparison.

Well some posters (or at least one) won’t accept Nike camp measurements, so it’s all we’ve got.

This. I'm still digging. Instead of googling, I'm now looking up the photo galleries from teams that have NBA players that attended the combine last year or this year. I'll post the results later.

:)

I think it’s best to let it go.  You had the correct response hours ago.  Those Nike numbers are far more likely to miss on the low side than the high side given that he was 17 at the time.  People will believe what they want to.

Alright.  :) :) :)

I actually wasn't trying to win the argument anymore. I was enjoying the deep dig into a random tangent about a brand new Celtic. I realized late Thursday night that some people were going to take the glass-half-empty view with Williams no matter what.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 10:32:15 PM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)

Forget the fact that Wallace was actually 6'7", iirc, as the guy had an insatiable desire to win and a motor that never quit, which are two of the very traits that Williams completely lacks, so aside from his measurables, I honestly don't see as to how they are at all similar players, but hopefully I'm wrong :).
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Well, he’s billed as 6’9” according to ESPN and BBallRef, but maybe it was the afro :P

I realize that, but in addition to reading, somewhere, that Wallace said that he was actually 6'7", here's a picture of him standing next to Bill Russell, who was also 6'9" -

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dpMmXPjkiFo/Um3cP0DUTpI/AAAAAAAAExQ/U09aaZg_7mU/s640/Bill%2520and%2520Ben%25201.jpg)

Perhaps it's just a height in shoes versus without them kind of thing, idk, lol ;D.[/quote]

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He also never achieved anything until Detroit took a flyer on him, with much more serious question marks (like a lack of any NBA talent) than Williams has. They also play quite similarly. Protect the ring in a similar manner, and chase boards in a similar manner. The line was obviously tongue-in-cheek, but there are definitely similarities

Listen, in fairness, I wasn't watching the NBA at that time, but from what I've been able to gather, the only questions surrounding Wallace, iirc, were those having to do with his being undersized and an almost complete lack of any semblance of an offensive game, whatsoever, not to mention the fact that, and this is one crucial difference between Williams and Wallace, Ben played at Virginia Union in Division II, so it's not like he was ever pegged as even a possible draftee, let alone a potential lottery pick, as was the case with "Phone Home" ::).

Physically, okay, sure, I can certainly see some similarities, but at the same time, no one ever questioned Wallace's motor nor his work ethic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyCkZl2fMk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg5GyuCdBw8
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 10:37:36 PM
We need to be careful about pictures like this. They are not standing right next to each other and are not standing straight up with feet together. That means we can’t really use that as a good comparison.

Well some posters (or at least one) won’t accept Nike camp measurements, so it’s all we’ve got.

This. I'm still digging. Instead of googling, I'm now looking up the photo galleries from teams that have NBA players that attended the combine last year or this year. I'll post the results later.

:)

I think it’s best to let it go.  You had the correct response hours ago.  Those Nike numbers are far more likely to miss on the low side than the high side given that he was 17 at the time.  People will believe what they want to.
It is a silly discussion.  Williams height, length and jumping ability are clearly good enough to play center.  What really will matter in his ability to play center is his weight and strength.  Unlike say Noel who is a couple inches taller but built like Twiggy, Williams has a sturdy frame and appears to be pretty strong.  I suspect with NBA strength training he'll meet that bar too. 
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 11:14:38 PM
This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.

I don’t see all that much.  But I don’t get to see him in practice and know what the Celtics are asking him to work on and do when he gets in games.  If he’s in the right place and making the right reads and rotations, that’s important, even though we wouldn’t be able to see it in his limited time on court. He was drafted as a project, and he does need to be viewed through that lens, especially in his first year.

But what I’m saying is that he has $2.6 million guaranteed this year, and as we’re tight against the tax, it would be best if he can be at least a small contributor, even if it’s as the 11th man in the rotation.  We don’t have the the salary space to release him and take on a minimum free agent in all likelihood, so that’s why I’m against cutting him.  If he’s completely useless, it will cost something to move him, and I’d rather not have to spend something to get rid of him.  But as I said in the post you quoted, if he can’t be relied on for a few minutes a game, then that’s what needs to happen. 

I’d be disappointed if it came to that, because it’d have been a waste of a mid-1st, but I guess I knew there’d be a few misses with all the 1st Ainge accumulated, so if this is one, so be it.

I'm probably wrong, here, but I don't remember a guy who was described as "the French Draymond Green", which is beyond hilarious for historical reasons, imo, lol ;D, being labeled as a project.

What I do recall, however, is that, he, along with Zizic, were primarily drafted because Ainge wanted to "save money" ::) by stashing them overseas as opposed to having to pay two first round picks BECAUSE TWO MAX CONTRACTS AND KEVIN DURANT ::).

That said, I was going to ask as to whether or not this is more of an issue related to finances as opposed to anything else, so it looks as though you've covered everything, there :).

Could we not have moved him, as well as Nader, in a deal for a second round pick, though? Surely, if Yabu is/was so highly valued around the league, would not someone, anyone, have been willing to take a chance on him for said price?

This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.
he was a 21 year old rookie playing in the US for the first time. he is better than the vast majority of gleague dregs. let's give another year and see if he develops or not. capela took a year or two, as did bradley, and perk.

I would understand the willingness to give him more time if he had even shown anything in a single game, but I just haven't seen it, yet. Plus, both Bradley and Capela were contributing in their first two years in the league, respectively, although, yes, in Perk's case, it took him until year three, but in fairness, I was never a Perk fan, lol ;D, not to mention the fact that I can find plenty of "gleague dregs" ::) who are better players than Guerschon Yabusele.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: dmopower on June 23, 2018, 11:21:49 PM
I don't know how to answer this. It's a measurement at an officially recognized basketball event in the states. It may not be official by NBA standards, but this seems like a pedantic critique made by someone unwilling to accept that he might be wrong.
It's not a measurement at an NBA sanctioned event. Typically, those tend to be all over the place, and I wouldn't take any of them without a grain of salt. That is all.

Picture of Williams and Ayton standing next to each other.
https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsircharlesincharge.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2017%2F12%2F887877276-valley-of-the-sun-shootout-st-johns-v-grand-canyon.jpg.jpg&c=sc&w=850&h=560

Ayton is 7'1'' (measured 7'0'' in shoes at the 2014 Lebron James skills academy -- not official, I know, but he did not attend the combine)

Picture of Williams and Jontay Porter standing close to each other. Even with perspective, Williams looks taller.
https://www.semoball.com/photos/30/36/55/3036552-B.jpg

Porter is 6'11.5'' (measured OFFICIALLY at the combine in shoes)

I'm sure you'll say they're not official. That's true.

I don't know how much more official "not official" can get than the evidence we have that Williams is closer to 6'11'' than 6'8''.

 If you look at that pic you can clearly see that williams has a shorter neck and higher shoulders. I dont know how tall they are but this is easy to see. So a high standing reach makes sense.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Emmette Bryant on June 23, 2018, 11:29:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u270nTfz3io
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 11:47:36 PM
This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.

I don’t see all that much.  But I don’t get to see him in practice and know what the Celtics are asking him to work on and do when he gets in games.  If he’s in the right place and making the right reads and rotations, that’s important, even though we wouldn’t be able to see it in his limited time on court. He was drafted as a project, and he does need to be viewed through that lens, especially in his first year.

But what I’m saying is that he has $2.6 million guaranteed this year, and as we’re tight against the tax, it would be best if he can be at least a small contributor, even if it’s as the 11th man in the rotation.  We don’t have the the salary space to release him and take on a minimum free agent in all likelihood, so that’s why I’m against cutting him.  If he’s completely useless, it will cost something to move him, and I’d rather not have to spend something to get rid of him.  But as I said in the post you quoted, if he can’t be relied on for a few minutes a game, then that’s what needs to happen. 

I’d be disappointed if it came to that, because it’d have been a waste of a mid-1st, but I guess I knew there’d be a few misses with all the 1st Ainge accumulated, so if this is one, so be it.

I'm probably wrong, here, but I don't remember a guy who was described as "the French Draymond Green", which is beyond hilarious for historical reasons, imo, lol ;D, being labeled as a project.

What I do recall, however, is that, he, along with Zizic, were primarily drafted because Ainge wanted to "save money" ::) by stashing them overseas as opposed to having to pay two first round picks BECAUSE TWO MAX CONTRACTS AND KEVIN DURANT ::).

That said, I was going to ask as to whether or not this is more of an issue related to finances as opposed to anything else, so it looks as though you've covered everything, there :).

Could we not have moved him, as well as Nader, in a deal for a second round pick, though? Surely, if Yabu is/was so highly valued around the league, would not someone, anyone, have been willing to take a chance on him for said price?

He was absolutely seen as a project.  He hadn’t been playing basketball all that long when he was drafted (about 4 years if I recall), and hadn’t played at the highest levels of European competition.  The French Draymond Green thing came from a post-draft interview in which Yabu said that he wanted to model his game after Draymond.  This has nothing to do with anyone suggesting he would be the next Draymond — just Yabusele’s apparent desire to be so.

That’s said, Draymond’s rookie year was terrible enough to make Smart look like a decent shooter.  Yabusele has far eclipsed him in that regard.

If we could have moved Yabu for a second, it probably means he’s worth keeping to keep developing. If he’s going to cost a pick to unload, it makes more sense to have the corresponding move for that salary all lined up — otherwise it’s best to keep him if there’s no specific use needed.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 24, 2018, 12:03:02 AM
This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.

I don’t see all that much.  But I don’t get to see him in practice and know what the Celtics are asking him to work on and do when he gets in games.  If he’s in the right place and making the right reads and rotations, that’s important, even though we wouldn’t be able to see it in his limited time on court. He was drafted as a project, and he does need to be viewed through that lens, especially in his first year.

But what I’m saying is that he has $2.6 million guaranteed this year, and as we’re tight against the tax, it would be best if he can be at least a small contributor, even if it’s as the 11th man in the rotation.  We don’t have the the salary space to release him and take on a minimum free agent in all likelihood, so that’s why I’m against cutting him.  If he’s completely useless, it will cost something to move him, and I’d rather not have to spend something to get rid of him.  But as I said in the post you quoted, if he can’t be relied on for a few minutes a game, then that’s what needs to happen. 

I’d be disappointed if it came to that, because it’d have been a waste of a mid-1st, but I guess I knew there’d be a few misses with all the 1st Ainge accumulated, so if this is one, so be it.

I'm probably wrong, here, but I don't remember a guy who was described as "the French Draymond Green", which is beyond hilarious for historical reasons, imo, lol ;D, being labeled as a project.

What I do recall, however, is that, he, along with Zizic, were primarily drafted because Ainge wanted to "save money" ::) by stashing them overseas as opposed to having to pay two first round picks BECAUSE TWO MAX CONTRACTS AND KEVIN DURANT ::).

That said, I was going to ask as to whether or not this is more of an issue related to finances as opposed to anything else, so it looks as though you've covered everything, there :).

Could we not have moved him, as well as Nader, in a deal for a second round pick, though? Surely, if Yabu is/was so highly valued around the league, would not someone, anyone, have been willing to take a chance on him for said price?

He was absolutely seen as a project.  He hadn’t been playing basketball all that long when he was drafted (about 4 years if I recall), and hadn’t played at the highest levels of European competition.  The French Draymond Green thing came from a post-draft interview in which Yabu said that he wanted to model his game after Draymond.  This has nothing to do with anyone suggesting he would be the next Draymond — just Yabusele’s apparent desire to be so.

That’s said, Draymond’s rookie year was terrible enough to make Smart look like a decent shooter.  Yabusele has far eclipsed him in that regard.

If we could have moved Yabu for a second, it probably means he’s worth keeping to keep developing. If he’s going to cost a pick to unload, it makes more sense to have the corresponding move for that salary all lined up — otherwise it’s best to keep him if there’s no specific use needed.

Okay, fair enough, and thanks for correcting me :). I don't understand the logic about as to how he's probably worth keeping if we could have moved him for a second rounder, though. Wouldn't the opposite be true, instead? Like, trading a former 16th overall pick for any second rounder essentially shows as to how far he's fallen in terms of value, does it not? That's as to how I look at it, anyway :-\.

Oh well, here's to hoping that Robert Williams turns out to be the next Ben Wallace :) :-\.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Scintan on June 24, 2018, 04:20:25 AM

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

People keep quoting his measurables as if they mean something.  They mean nothing if he can't harness them.  Maybe people need to watch more NFL drafts, or something, to understand how useless measurables are in the end. 

He can play, or learn to play, or he can't, regardless of his weight, wingspan, and jumping ability.

He averaged 12-8-1.4 on 56% shooting as a freshman playing in a bad system, with 2.7 blocks and .7 steals a game in 25 minutes. Other than Jaren Jackson Jr hitting 3’s and hitting a good FT%, which obviously do matter, Williams put up #4 pick in the draft #’s. He’d have been a top 12 pick last year.

You’re quoting intangibles as if they’re the only thing. Study up.

I didn't quote anything about intangibles.  You should read posts before replying to them, especially if you're going to get snarky with your response.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: kozlodoev on June 24, 2018, 08:40:30 AM
How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.

Do you know how many guys classified as pure centers by basketball-reference played 30+ mpg last season?

Seven, none of whom averaged as many as 34 minutes.

Add guys who swing to center, and you’re up to 14 players.  That’s less than half the league (and we’ve got one of them, Horford).

This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).
And yet some of our best lineups had Baynes in them.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 24, 2018, 05:08:57 PM
I think we sometimes get too mixed up in worrying about 2-3 inches when it just doesn't matter that much. I think physical strength matters a lot more when it comes to how big of a position a player can play (and quickness is what matters going the other direction). Obviously it doesn't matter how strong Marcus Smart is, he'll never truly be able to bother someone's shot who is 8" taller but I don't think 4" matters nearly as much defensively if a player has the desire and the strength to not get bullied.

The pic above of Ben Wallace standing next to Bill Russell is evidence of that. Same goes for Semi be able to hold position in the post against some big centers this past year.

Just watching highlights, I'm not worried about his size or, obviously, his athleticism. His success in the NBA will be determined by his IQ and work ethic.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 24, 2018, 05:49:27 PM
I think we sometimes get too mixed up in worrying about 2-3 inches when it just doesn't matter that much. I think physical strength matters a lot more when it comes to how big of a position a player can play (and quickness is what matters going the other direction). Obviously it doesn't matter how strong Marcus Smart is, he'll never truly be able to bother someone's shot who is 8" taller but I don't think 4" matters nearly as much defensively if a player has the desire and the strength to not get bullied.

The pic above of Ben Wallace standing next to Bill Russell is evidence of that. Same goes for Semi be able to hold position in the post against some big centers this past year.

Just watching highlights, I'm not worried about his size or, obviously, his athleticism. His success in the NBA will be determined by his IQ and work ethic.

What were Williams' final measurements. Wasn't it like 6'9" or 6'10" and a 7'6" wing span and 240lbs?

He's a big man.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/22/17149150/robert-williams-texas-am-sweet-16
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 24, 2018, 06:03:56 PM
I think we sometimes get too mixed up in worrying about 2-3 inches when it just doesn't matter that much. I think physical strength matters a lot more when it comes to how big of a position a player can play (and quickness is what matters going the other direction). Obviously it doesn't matter how strong Marcus Smart is, he'll never truly be able to bother someone's shot who is 8" taller but I don't think 4" matters nearly as much defensively if a player has the desire and the strength to not get bullied.

The pic above of Ben Wallace standing next to Bill Russell is evidence of that. Same goes for Semi be able to hold position in the post against some big centers this past year.

Just watching highlights, I'm not worried about his size or, obviously, his athleticism. His success in the NBA will be determined by his IQ and work ethic.

What were Williams' final measurements. Wasn't it like 6'9" or 6'10" and a 7'6" wing span and 240lbs?

He's a big man.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/22/17149150/robert-williams-texas-am-sweet-16

I think the debate is about not having official combine measurements and just going off either what's been reported or measurements that were taken a few years ago.

But I don't think the different between 6'8" and 6'10" is all the meaningful, especially once you take into account build and strength and even wingspan.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: playdream on June 24, 2018, 07:05:05 PM
I think we sometimes get too mixed up in worrying about 2-3 inches when it just doesn't matter that much. I think physical strength matters a lot more when it comes to how big of a position a player can play (and quickness is what matters going the other direction). Obviously it doesn't matter how strong Marcus Smart is, he'll never truly be able to bother someone's shot who is 8" taller but I don't think 4" matters nearly as much defensively if a player has the desire and the strength to not get bullied.

The pic above of Ben Wallace standing next to Bill Russell is evidence of that. Same goes for Semi be able to hold position in the post against some big centers this past year.

Just watching highlights, I'm not worried about his size or, obviously, his athleticism. His success in the NBA will be determined by his IQ and work ethic.
That's just wrong

Smart completely lock down Kristaps Porzingis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn15jiu7eQQ

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on June 24, 2018, 07:17:26 PM
I think we sometimes get too mixed up in worrying about 2-3 inches when it just doesn't matter that much. I think physical strength matters a lot more when it comes to how big of a position a player can play (and quickness is what matters going the other direction). Obviously it doesn't matter how strong Marcus Smart is, he'll never truly be able to bother someone's shot who is 8" taller but I don't think 4" matters nearly as much defensively if a player has the desire and the strength to not get bullied.

The pic above of Ben Wallace standing next to Bill Russell is evidence of that. Same goes for Semi be able to hold position in the post against some big centers this past year.

Just watching highlights, I'm not worried about his size or, obviously, his athleticism. His success in the NBA will be determined by his IQ and work ethic.
That's just wrong

Smart completely lock down Kristaps Porzingis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn15jiu7eQQ
tp
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: kozlodoev on June 24, 2018, 08:32:59 PM
I think we sometimes get too mixed up in worrying about 2-3 inches when it just doesn't matter that much. I think physical strength matters a lot more when it comes to how big of a position a player can play (and quickness is what matters going the other direction). Obviously it doesn't matter how strong Marcus Smart is, he'll never truly be able to bother someone's shot who is 8" taller but I don't think 4" matters nearly as much defensively if a player has the desire and the strength to not get bullied.

The pic above of Ben Wallace standing next to Bill Russell is evidence of that. Same goes for Semi be able to hold position in the post against some big centers this past year.

Just watching highlights, I'm not worried about his size or, obviously, his athleticism. His success in the NBA will be determined by his IQ and work ethic.
That's just wrong

Smart completely lock down Kristaps Porzingis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn15jiu7eQQ
If only NBA games lasted one possession...
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 24, 2018, 08:54:42 PM
I think we sometimes get too mixed up in worrying about 2-3 inches when it just doesn't matter that much. I think physical strength matters a lot more when it comes to how big of a position a player can play (and quickness is what matters going the other direction). Obviously it doesn't matter how strong Marcus Smart is, he'll never truly be able to bother someone's shot who is 8" taller but I don't think 4" matters nearly as much defensively if a player has the desire and the strength to not get bullied.

The pic above of Ben Wallace standing next to Bill Russell is evidence of that. Same goes for Semi be able to hold position in the post against some big centers this past year.

Just watching highlights, I'm not worried about his size or, obviously, his athleticism. His success in the NBA will be determined by his IQ and work ethic.

What were Williams' final measurements. Wasn't it like 6'9" or 6'10" and a 7'6" wing span and 240lbs?

He's a big man.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/22/17149150/robert-williams-texas-am-sweet-16

I think the debate is about not having official combine measurements and just going off either what's been reported or measurements that were taken a few years ago.

But I don't think the different between 6'8" and 6'10" is all the meaningful, especially once you take into account build and strength and even wingspan.

I agree that getting accurate measurements can be something that never happens. But either way Robert Williams is huge and very athletic with a huge wingspan and he is so quick. I didn't think there was anyway we could or would get this guy so I am over the moon optimistic about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: csfansince60s on June 24, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
I’m glad that there are questions about his work ethic, knee status and motor.

If there weren’t these questions, we likely would never have gotten him.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: smokeablount on June 24, 2018, 09:15:36 PM

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

People keep quoting his measurables as if they mean something.  They mean nothing if he can't harness them.  Maybe people need to watch more NFL drafts, or something, to understand how useless measurables are in the end. 

He can play, or learn to play, or he can't, regardless of his weight, wingspan, and jumping ability.

He averaged 12-8-1.4 on 56% shooting as a freshman playing in a bad system, with 2.7 blocks and .7 steals a game in 25 minutes. Other than Jaren Jackson Jr hitting 3’s and hitting a good FT%, which obviously do matter, Williams put up #4 pick in the draft #’s. He’d have been a top 12 pick last year.

You’re quoting intangibles as if they’re the only thing. Study up.

I didn't quote anything about intangibles.  You should read posts before replying to them, especially if you're going to get snarky with your response.

And you should learn what “harness” means, he is top 5 in several categories in the past 10 years of SEC play, including PER and defensive box plus minus. Sorry I said ‘intangibles’ instead of ‘measurements’, the hotness of your take must’ve blinded me.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: The One on June 25, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
I just hope people aren't calling him a bust if it takes him a couple of seasons.

Capela played 8 minutes per game in year 1 and 20 minutes in year 2.

DeAndre played 15 minutes per game in year 1 and 16 minutes in year 2.

And Williams is coming into a STACKED team...so it's going to take a little bit of time.

Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on June 25, 2018, 01:58:50 PM

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

People keep quoting his measurables as if they mean something.  They mean nothing if he can't harness them.  Maybe people need to watch more NFL drafts, or something, to understand how useless measurables are in the end. 

He can play, or learn to play, or he can't, regardless of his weight, wingspan, and jumping ability.

He averaged 12-8-1.4 on 56% shooting as a freshman playing in a bad system, with 2.7 blocks and .7 steals a game in 25 minutes. Other than Jaren Jackson Jr hitting 3’s and hitting a good FT%, which obviously do matter, Williams put up #4 pick in the draft #’s. He’d have been a top 12 pick last year.

You’re quoting intangibles as if they’re the only thing. Study up.

I didn't quote anything about intangibles.  You should read posts before replying to them, especially if you're going to get snarky with your response.

And you should learn what “harness” means, he is top 5 in several categories in the past 10 years of SEC play, including PER and defensive box plus minus. Sorry I said ‘intangibles’ instead of ‘measurements’, the hotness of your take must’ve blinded me.

Statistically he's the number 18 player in NCAA history in career DBPM. No 22 in NCAA history in career BPM.  No 2 in Career SEC DRbd %.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: greenrunsdeep41 on June 25, 2018, 01:59:59 PM
This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.

I don’t see all that much.  But I don’t get to see him in practice and know what the Celtics are asking him to work on and do when he gets in games.  If he’s in the right place and making the right reads and rotations, that’s important, even though we wouldn’t be able to see it in his limited time on court. He was drafted as a project, and he does need to be viewed through that lens, especially in his first year.

But what I’m saying is that he has $2.6 million guaranteed this year, and as we’re tight against the tax, it would be best if he can be at least a small contributor, even if it’s as the 11th man in the rotation.  We don’t have the the salary space to release him and take on a minimum free agent in all likelihood, so that’s why I’m against cutting him.  If he’s completely useless, it will cost something to move him, and I’d rather not have to spend something to get rid of him.  But as I said in the post you quoted, if he can’t be relied on for a few minutes a game, then that’s what needs to happen. 

I’d be disappointed if it came to that, because it’d have been a waste of a mid-1st, but I guess I knew there’d be a few misses with all the 1st Ainge accumulated, so if this is one, so be it.

I'm probably wrong, here, but I don't remember a guy who was described as "the French Draymond Green", which is beyond hilarious for historical reasons, imo, lol ;D, being labeled as a project.

What I do recall, however, is that, he, along with Zizic, were primarily drafted because Ainge wanted to "save money" ::) by stashing them overseas as opposed to having to pay two first round picks BECAUSE TWO MAX CONTRACTS AND KEVIN DURANT ::).

That said, I was going to ask as to whether or not this is more of an issue related to finances as opposed to anything else, so it looks as though you've covered everything, there :).

Could we not have moved him, as well as Nader, in a deal for a second round pick, though? Surely, if Yabu is/was so highly valued around the league, would not someone, anyone, have been willing to take a chance on him for said price?

This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).

Honestly, what do you see in Yabu? I'm not trying to make fun of you, nor anyone else, for that matter, who happens to like the guy, it's just that I don't understand as to the fascination with a player who couldn't even break into the rotation when the team was desperate for bodies. I get that he's a former first rounder *facepalm*, and all, but if we're being honest with ourselves, Jabari Bird showed far more even in that one game against the Bulls than Yabusele has over the last two years, draft-and-stash or not, but I'm weird :-\.
he was a 21 year old rookie playing in the US for the first time. he is better than the vast majority of gleague dregs. let's give another year and see if he develops or not. capela took a year or two, as did bradley, and perk.

I would understand the willingness to give him more time if he had even shown anything in a single game, but I just haven't seen it, yet. Plus, both Bradley and Capela were contributing in their first two years in the league, respectively, although, yes, in Perk's case, it took him until year three, but in fairness, I was never a Perk fan, lol ;D, not to mention the fact that I can find plenty of "gleague dregs" ::) who are better players than Guerschon Yabusele.

I’m curious about Draymonds stats in his first couple years.

Oh wait, no I’m not. He was useless.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: liam on June 25, 2018, 02:00:10 PM
I just hope people aren't calling him a bust if it takes him a couple of seasons.

Capela played 8 minutes per game in year 1 and 20 minutes in year 2.

DeAndre played 15 minutes per game in year 1 and 16 minutes in year 2.

And Williams is coming into a STACKED team...so it's going to take a little bit of time.

I expect Williams to make the All-Star team this year! ;D
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Emmette Bryant on June 25, 2018, 02:12:34 PM
I just hope people aren't calling him a bust if it takes him a couple of seasons.

Capela played 8 minutes per game in year 1 and 20 minutes in year 2.

DeAndre played 15 minutes per game in year 1 and 16 minutes in year 2.

And Williams is coming into a STACKED team...so it's going to take a little bit of time.

Guys like Avery Bradley and Terry Rozier were trashed mercilessly on this forum during their rookie seasons. Why do you think RW3 will be different?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Silent Storm on June 25, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
Is it too optimistic to hope that Williams' ceiling is a poor man's Shawn Kemp with a more favorable view of contraception?
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: DooVoo on June 25, 2018, 03:09:40 PM
To give you an idea how fortunate the Celtics were consider the bigs drafted after Williams.    
Omari Spellman whose NBA comparison on a few sites is Adreian Payne who only had two blah seasons as a mediocre PF and 12th guy on a bench and is already out of the league. Mitchell Robinson who never played a game in college and is a massive project. Fans would get excited about his measurements but he isn't anywhere as talented as Williams and would never see the floor for the Celtics in the next three years and would likely be waived. Chimezie Metu who is not a NBA player. Then Thomas Welsh who reminds me a lot of old friend Colton Iverson which means he will bounce around Europe as a serviceable big man.

So the drop off was severe. Which is why Ainge probably would have taken the best player available. Even if Williams never pans out getting him at 27 was ridiculous just cause his talent was far superior to what came after and a lot of what came before.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Scintan on June 25, 2018, 03:40:08 PM

Sure, I’ll just give you the rest of your natural life to queue up the good ole’ list of guys who were available at pick #27 with all those attributes, plus a 7’6” wingspan, 40” vertical and 240 pound NBA body at 20.

Hint: there are 0 such players, so maybe don’t sweat the impossible stuff so much.

People keep quoting his measurables as if they mean something.  They mean nothing if he can't harness them.  Maybe people need to watch more NFL drafts, or something, to understand how useless measurables are in the end. 

He can play, or learn to play, or he can't, regardless of his weight, wingspan, and jumping ability.

He averaged 12-8-1.4 on 56% shooting as a freshman playing in a bad system, with 2.7 blocks and .7 steals a game in 25 minutes. Other than Jaren Jackson Jr hitting 3’s and hitting a good FT%, which obviously do matter, Williams put up #4 pick in the draft #’s. He’d have been a top 12 pick last year.

You’re quoting intangibles as if they’re the only thing. Study up.

I didn't quote anything about intangibles.  You should read posts before replying to them, especially if you're going to get snarky with your response.

And you should learn what “harness” means, he is top 5 in several categories in the past 10 years of SEC play, including PER and defensive box plus minus. Sorry I said ‘intangibles’ instead of ‘measurements’, the hotness of your take must’ve blinded me.

Again, looking to the NFL for examples, one can just take a look at the frequent struggles of Heisman Trophy winners once they get to the NFL level.

Players and skills adapt to different levels differently, and that doesn't change based on what they did in college.  Every year, former college players with tremendous college numbers wash out in the NBA.  Hell, that's a huge part of why this guy fell to #27 in the first place.  If he can harness his talents in the NBA, he'll likely succeed.  If he can't, he'll certainly fail.

And, whether you like it or not, NBA prospects, particularly NBA prospects who are not lottery picks, fail a lot more often than they succeed.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 25, 2018, 06:36:56 PM
I don't get the "concerns" with Williams' ball handling skills ?

He is a center, not a guard. He has solid footwork on both ends. Looks like he can catch and score inside - we have enough big guys jacking up 3's, don't need another. We do need an athletic post player who rebounds and plays defense. Hope they can coach him to block shots and keep the ball in play - I'll never understand why so few defensive post players have emulated Bill Russell starting fast breaks with a block.

Last note on Williams - a few of his highlights show him catching the ball and scoring while running in traffic. One in particular, Williams catches the ball on the break, avoids a defender with a quick dribble at full speed and completes the layup smoothly.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 25, 2018, 07:29:41 PM
I’m curious about Draymonds stats in his first couple years.

Oh wait, no I’m not. He was useless.

Okay, admittedly, I've never been any semblance of a Draymond fan and certainly did not follow his career at any point, but in looking over his stats, dude was hardly useless during his first two seasons, imo. The only guy who warrants that label from said period with the Warriors is Momma There Goes That Man ::), who failed to utilize him correctly.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on June 25, 2018, 07:41:26 PM
I’m curious about Draymonds stats in his first couple years.

Oh wait, no I’m not. He was useless.

Okay, admittedly, I've never been any semblance of a Draymond fan and certainly did not follow his career at any point, but in looking over his stats, dude was hardly useless. The only guy who warrants that label from said period with the Warriors is Momma There Goes That Man ::), who failed to utilize him correctly.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

Draymond made Smart look like Kyrie his first year as a shooter.  37% from 2 and 21% from 3.  Oof.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: byennie on June 25, 2018, 07:46:47 PM
I’m curious about Draymonds stats in his first couple years.

Oh wait, no I’m not. He was useless.

Okay, admittedly, I've never been any semblance of a Draymond fan and certainly did not follow his career at any point, but in looking over his stats, dude was hardly useless. The only guy who warrants that label from said period with the Warriors is Momma There Goes That Man ::), who failed to utilize him correctly.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

His 1st year he was pretty useless. Maybe there were flashes, but 3/3 in 13 minutes with 33% FG, 21% 3PT and 53 total assists in 79 games is pretty useless. He was a decent defender for a rookie, but still... that's bad.

2nd year he became a really good defender and got better at everything else. 6/5 in 22 minutes wasn't amazing, but all of his percentages were up, assist rate almost doubled, and he became a legit defensive force.

3rd year he got starter minutes and another bump on percentages which made for an all-around pretty good year.

4th year he somehow made a leap and doubled his assists to become a triple double threat, and that's about his level now.

Quite the progression, really
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 25, 2018, 08:35:48 PM
I’m curious about Draymonds stats in his first couple years.

Oh wait, no I’m not. He was useless.

Okay, admittedly, I've never been any semblance of a Draymond fan and certainly did not follow his career at any point, but in looking over his stats, dude was hardly useless. The only guy who warrants that label from said period with the Warriors is Momma There Goes That Man ::), who failed to utilize him correctly.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

Draymond made Smart look like Kyrie his first year as a shooter.  37% from 2 and 21% from 3.  Oof.

And yet he somehow still managed to play in 79 games games and receive 13.4 minutes of playing time during his rookie campaign, not to mention the fact that he actually was a starter  in Golden State's only win against the Spurs in San Antonio during that 2013 Western Conference semifinal series.

Besides, I'm not comparing Green to Smart, at all. Rather, I'm comparing him to Yabusele.

I’m curious about Draymonds stats in his first couple years.

Oh wait, no I’m not. He was useless.

Okay, admittedly, I've never been any semblance of a Draymond fan and certainly did not follow his career at any point, but in looking over his stats, dude was hardly useless. The only guy who warrants that label from said period with the Warriors is Momma There Goes That Man ::), who failed to utilize him correctly.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

His 1st year he was pretty useless. Maybe there were flashes, but 3/3 in 13 minutes with 33% FG, 21% 3PT and 53 total assists in 79 games is pretty useless. He was a decent defender for a rookie, but still... that's bad.

2nd year he became a really good defender and got better at everything else. 6/5 in 22 minutes wasn't amazing, but all of his percentages were up, assist rate almost doubled, and he became a legit defensive force.

3rd year he got starter minutes and another bump on percentages which made for an all-around pretty good year.

4th year he somehow made a leap and doubled his assists to become a triple double threat, and that's about his level now.

Quite the progression, really

Yeah, except that, when compared to Yabusele, Green, as a second round pick, mind you, still managed to receive playing time on a rather stacked team which had hardly suffered the injuries that were endured by Boston, this year.

Plus, and as you said, yourself, at least Green had shown, early on, promise as a defender, whereas Yabusele has yet to show any single quality/skill on which he can hang his hat, so to speak, and as was previously mentioned by another poster, iirc.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 25, 2018, 09:31:50 PM
Right now, I am expecting some summer league dunks and to make it interesting.   I am not expecting much this season from Rob Williams but I would love to be wrong.

 I wanted to see Bird play and Now I am excited for Williams and I hope to see some offensive Semi.  I think it is sink or swim for Yabusele.  But I hope we see some high flying.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Beat LA on June 25, 2018, 09:33:23 PM
Right now, I am expecting some summer league dunks and to make it interesting.  I wanted to see Bird play and Now I am excited for Williams and I hope to see some offensive Semi.

I think it is sink or swim for Yabusele.

Don't worry - dat bootay makes him buoyant, lol ;) ::) ;D.
Title: Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on June 26, 2018, 10:10:04 AM
I think we sometimes get too mixed up in worrying about 2-3 inches when it just doesn't matter that much. I think physical strength matters a lot more when it comes to how big of a position a player can play (and quickness is what matters going the other direction). Obviously it doesn't matter how strong Marcus Smart is, he'll never truly be able to bother someone's shot who is 8" taller but I don't think 4" matters nearly as much defensively if a player has the desire and the strength to not get bullied.

The pic above of Ben Wallace standing next to Bill Russell is evidence of that. Same goes for Semi be able to hold position in the post against some big centers this past year.

Just watching highlights, I'm not worried about his size or, obviously, his athleticism. His success in the NBA will be determined by his IQ and work ethic.
That's just wrong

Smart completely lock down Kristaps Porzingis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn15jiu7eQQ
tp

Double TP.

While I'm skeptical that Marcus Smart could effectively guard Porzingis for a whole game, that proves the point I'm making about how we get too caught up in a couple of inches of height that don't actually make much difference on the court.