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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: droopdog7 on October 16, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
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1. They didn’t play anywhere near their potential and won by almost 20.
2. Rozier has gone to the next level. Just so explosive.
3. Kyrie had perhaps his worst game ever. Not worried at all.
4. Al is perfectly happy to not shoot. Played great defense. Should be considered for defensive player of the year.
5. Tatum will be a star. Duh.
6. Stevens is going to have to really coach to keep everybody happy.
7. On that note, someone HAS got to get lost in all this. Could it be Brown? I posted last week that he would be the one I would trade out and I might have been right.
8. Morris is a fool. He could play with 10 all stars and still squeeze off ten shots a game. Looks great when they’re going in though.
9. Hayward looked fine. He’ll be lethal in a month or so.
10. This team is good.
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Agree with all your points, especially #7. I know people love him but I've never been quite sold on him as a star. The guy is so smart off the floor but his BBIQ just isn't there. I'm perfectly okay putting him in a trade package.
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Right back where we left off last year for the 76ers. They couldn't beat the Celtics' B-Team, and now they got their A-team back and the 76ers look demoralized.
Once Kyrie and Hayward get their grooves back. Watch out.
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I disagree with point #10.
This team is extremely dangerous in a good way.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
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Yeah. The weapons on this squad are really unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
Tatum is a heck of a player. But really, still young in feel for the pace of the game. He is special for sure, but add a couple of years of veteran experience, and whoa.
Somehow, Jalen Brown won't get the spotlight that he would likely have without JT around. Rozier's flash and tendency to draw attention by virtue of being a PG seem to be casting a shadow as well. Still, he is another guy to pay at some point.
And Philly is not in the top 4 in the east. They're just not.
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Simmons getting superstar calls. Embiid got horribly abused on the first game of the season.
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Most teams when they get into the second unit have a slight let down in play. As we saw tonight with the 76ers.
This Celtic team is so deep there is no letdown. They have the ability to keep throwing fresh talented bodies at you for an entire game. In fact, the defense of the second unit may be better than the first.
That allows a player of the caliber of Kyrie Irving to have an off game and the team just gets baskets elsewhere.
When Hayward returns to himself, and this team really starts to really gel, the only thing that will stop them is overconfidence.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
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1) Great to start the season with a win.
2) Great to see Hayward survive past the 5-minute mark.
3) 14 turnovers is way too many.
4) These guys still struggle to shoot well, even with a full complement of players.
5) Hopefully 3 and 4 get ironed out.
6) I couldn't care less if Ben Simmons averages a triple-double this season, or every season for the rest of his career. Westbrook did it last year and his team didn't even sniff the conference finals. Keep padding stats, Simmons, and Boston will keep going for NBA titles.
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I was very impressed with Horford's defense.
I would prefer Hayward be the sixth man, because I think the second unit needs the shooting.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not seeing those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
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.9 is the only one I’m cautious on. It may take the guy all season and/or never to return to himself. Hopefully he’s back in a month or two but he has a long ways to go. Looked like he was running in cement.
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Regarding Brown, I don't necessarily want to trade him but I do think he needs to adopt a different mindset for this team to be at its best with him in the starting lineup.
Last season, he was near the top of the league in percentage of touches that end in a shot. That was pardonable when he was the de facto star in the playoffs, but he doesn't need to be that selfish on offense now. Take your open threes, attack closeouts, and be a monster in transition. I don't need to see these plays where he goes iso on a set defender unless he's playing with the second unit. We just have better ways to create offense than that.
And that's okay. Not everybody can be a star.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
I think you're underestimating how important Brown is to our perimeter defence. He's our best guy to defend the Thompson's, DeRozan's, Middleton's and other tall guard/wings of the league. Almost all the elite teams in the league have a player like that, and Redick routinely gets crushed by them. Would kill us over a series
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
I think you're underestimating how important Brown is to our perimeter defence. He's our best guy to defend the Thompson's, DeRozan's, Middleton's and other tall guard/wings of the league. Almost all the elite teams in the league have a player like that, and Redick routinely gets crushed by them. Would kill us over a series
Perhaps. But is brown going to accept the defensive stopper role that is a fifth or sixth option on offense? That’s part of the point.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
I think you're underestimating how important Brown is to our perimeter defence. He's our best guy to defend the Thompson's, DeRozan's, Middleton's and other tall guard/wings of the league. Almost all the elite teams in the league have a player like that, and Redick routinely gets crushed by them. Would kill us over a series
Perhaps. But is brown going to accept the defensive stopper role that is a fifth or sixth option on offense? That’s part of the point.
We can't tell, but I don't necessarily think he'll be a 5th or 6th option offensively long term at all. I think the #3 or #4 guy, depending on how much Hayward turns into what is effectively the wing version of Horford, is much more likely. Just because he's a defensive stopper doesn't mean he can't get 12-15 FGA's
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Number 6 is what I’ll focus on.
I think this season is going to be where Brad goes from the wunderkid to legit best coach in the league (and I know Pop is still coaching).
The biggest knock on this team is they have too much talent. I’m sure he won’t get the respect as far as CotY next June, but if he successfully manages the minutes and overall talent here, he is definitely the best.
There is so much talent and egos that he has to navigate around. Tonight he made the decision to go with Rozier over Kyrie late (which seemed to his surprise, but he looked disappointed in himself more than mad at Brad). I feel like we will see plenty of different rotations and stars getting benched for reserves outplaying them on a particular night.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
I think you're underestimating how important Brown is to our perimeter defence. He's our best guy to defend the Thompson's, DeRozan's, Middleton's and other tall guard/wings of the league. Almost all the elite teams in the league have a player like that, and Redick routinely gets crushed by them. Would kill us over a series
Perhaps. But is brown going to accept the defensive stopper role that is a fifth or sixth option on offense? That’s part of the point.
We can't tell, but I don't necessarily think he'll be a 5th or 6th option offensively long term at all. I think the #3 or #4 guy, depending on how much Hayward turns into what is effectively the wing version of Horford, is much more likely. Just because he's a defensive stopper doesn't mean he can't get 12-15 FGA's
Yeah, that’s where we differ. I think Hayward will be fine. And I don’t think jaylen will ever be as good as peak Hayward. His feel for the game is just so far below average, even for his age. I don’t think it will ever be average.
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Brown scored 30+ points twice in the playoffs last year. There will be about 10 games or more that he will be undoubtedably the best player on the court. Thinking of trading him with two cost controlled years on his contract is crazy talk.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
I think you're underestimating how important Brown is to our perimeter defence. He's our best guy to defend the Thompson's, DeRozan's, Middleton's and other tall guard/wings of the league. Almost all the elite teams in the league have a player like that, and Redick routinely gets crushed by them. Would kill us over a series
Perhaps. But is brown going to accept the defensive stopper role that is a fifth or sixth option on offense? That’s part of the point.
We can't tell, but I don't necessarily think he'll be a 5th or 6th option offensively long term at all. I think the #3 or #4 guy, depending on how much Hayward turns into what is effectively the wing version of Horford, is much more likely. Just because he's a defensive stopper doesn't mean he can't get 12-15 FGA's
Yeah, that’s where we differ. I think Hayward will be fine. And I don’t think jaylen will ever be as good as peak Hayward. His feel for the game is just so far below average, even for his age. I don’t think it will ever be average.
Fair. I agree with the first half of that. I don’t think he’ll ever exceed peak Hayward, and I believe he can return to that peak.
It’s all academic if we trade Brown for Davis ;)
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If you look at the minutes Stevens really played everyone evenly and enough for them all to be happy. The guys that didnt play probably shouldnt. Maybe Semi might grow frustrasted but someone will get hurt.
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Brown is 6.7 shooting guard who ia stronger than everyone in his position can jump higher than everyone in his position.. can defend anyone fron 1 to 5, can block embiid, has a nice shot,has work ethic, is improving every year.... and yes he makes some mistakes... but is with tatum UNTRADEABLE
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Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
I have no idea where you're getting that notion from, particularly given that the Celtics are running the system that they are.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
:o reddick over brown really? In order to make that work someone like Smart has to be shown the door to make the salaries fit in the cap.
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I was taking this thread seriously until someone suggested that we should trade Brown for Reddick.
This team is the best team in the league depth is part of quality and the depth of this team gives it an edge over GSW,
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Gordon played well for a dude coming back from whole year off. He needs more time on the court for himself and to become accustomed to his teamates in real game situations. He looked way more at ease than preseason .
Kyrie is in a funk.
When these fellows find their mojo
watch out .
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
definitely No. A big part of the reason the Celtics are so good is because of having the personnel for switching defense and versatile offense. Putting in someone who can be abused one on one and esp on switches in place of brown who can handle switches 1-4 is comical. Brown can knockdown open threes with high accuracy, which is sadly all reddick gives.
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I was taking this thread seriously until someone suggested that we should trade Brown for Reddick.
This team is the best team in the league depth is part of quality and the depth of this team gives it an edge over GSW,
Sixers would do that trade in a heartbeat even if you tell them its for a year only. Really absurd take
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We will have some injury problems throughout the season, just as every team has. This is where our strength begins, compared with other teams. We will always have someone who will step up and take the roll of the scorer who's not available that night. That means that everybody will have their minutes, their games, their moments. The only question is patience. Are they all willing to have enough patience due to higher goals? Kyrie seems fine with that, Al, Smart, Hayward, Tatum, Rozier too. I truly believe Jaylen is in this group as well.
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I'd add 2 more takeaways:
1) Baynes was 2/4 on threes. Boy oh boy, we have a stretch 5 bruiser.
2) 9 guys played between 19-29 minutes, lovely.
As Lou Reed would say: "Such a perfect day"
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How do you jump to the conclusion Brown will be lost in all this but Hayward will be fine? You clearly have some sort of bias. Brown>hayward
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No real disagreements except for #7.
Everyone in the top 8 or 9 will get shots. Our deeper role players will see their minutes and shots fluctuate, but the rotation will work it out. As nick said, different guys will step up.
Jaylen is at worst a top-tier 3-and-D Guy with explosive athleticism who is a great fit in the locker room. He’s not tradeable unless the return is a superstar.
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11. I think Hayward showed some signs of improvement from the preseason, too. I loved his four steals, it will come.
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Brown will be fine, folks. He won't get the touches he got last year so his scoring avg could drop, but he is still a potent offensive player in spots (last night he hit a big 3 and had the highlight-reel stuff over Embiid).
There's two things I'm noticing about Brown now:
(1) He tries too hard, including going into lane traffic where he gets swallowed up. I think he is smart enough to fix that.
(2) If he wants to drive like that, it looks like he needs to add some upper body strength. He is not like Tatum who is so long that he can get at the cup more easily.
ALSO, ALSO REGARDING LAST NIGHT: He couldn't catch a break from the refs. He got absolutely clobbered twice on one possession, no call.
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11. I think Hayward showed some signs of improvement from the preseason, too. I loved his four steals, it will come.
Yeah, he read their passing like a book. Think he really studied up while he was out.
His mid-range PnR jumper was falling more this game too, which was exciting
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Baynes hitting threes is a huge court spreader . He doesn't have alot of D pressure to launch his threes . He is hard to stop because he takes up alot space , wide body , so it takes a tall man to keep him from shooting . Irving and Brown will take adavntage of the defensive center being pulled away from the paint .
Id like to see Al get minutes at PF when Baynes is on his game. This would wreck the defense in the paint.
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Another thought on the game, I was glad to see Smart only took 4 shots. With so many scoring options, he shouldn't be shooting much, but contributing in other ways. That was nice to see.
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Baynes hitting threes is a huge court spreader . He doesn't have alot of D pressure to launch his threes . He is hard to stop because he takes up alot space , wide body , so it takes a tall man to keep him from shooting . Irving and Brown will take adavntage of the defensive center being pulled away from the paint .
Id like to see Al get minutes at PF when Baynes is on his game. This would wreck the defense in the paint.
Having Baynes as a pick-and-pop 3 point threat will make our pick and roll that much better, too
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not seeing those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Seek help. You'd have to be nuts to suggest such a trade.
The only way you trade Brown is if it's in a deal for someone like AD. Otherwise, you hold on to a two way player like him with a death grip.
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Looks like I need to be more clear. I am NOT advocating for a brown reddick trade. As far as this example, I was merely suggesting that we could improve the team if we had another kind of player besides brown in that spot.
I fear that he will get frustrated because he will be left out on offense. He’s not good enough to demand the ball and I think will have to settle for scraps or be relegated to spot ups. So my main point is, another player who is better at that role might be better for the team. Since we were playing reddick last night I threw that name out there. Not at all suugestng a trade.
And it’s not a bias against brown versus say, Hayward. It’s a straightforward observation that brown is a bit erratic. He’s not as good as Hayward, and probably never will be.
But yeah, he’s a versatile defender and an exiting player. Not calling him terrible by any stretch.
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11. I think Hayward showed some signs of improvement from the preseason, too. I loved his four steals, it will come.
Don't want to be a downer, but he didn't look like he was ready for 25 minutes.
I am sure he will be fine, but he looked out of breath and no lift at certain points.
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11. I think Hayward showed some signs of improvement from the preseason, too. I loved his four steals, it will come.
Don't want to be a downer, but he didn't look like he was ready for 25 minutes.
I am sure he will be fine, but he looked out of breath and no lift at certain points.
He mentioned he was out of breath in the post game, but not due to conditioning. He apparently was too revved up, which you could understand.
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My thoughts:
1. Team is loaded, duh.
2. TATUM will be the best player on the team and maybe best player in the East.
3. How can we keep Rozier long term?
4. Love the length of this team
5. Philly is not our top competition, surely Toronto will be.
6. Morris is a total steal, enjoy him for one more year.
7. Fultz sucks lol
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Brown scored 30+ points twice in the playoffs last year. There will be about 10 games or more that he will be undoubtedably the best player on the court. Thinking of trading him with two cost controlled years on his contract is crazy talk.
BINGO!
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not seeing those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Seek help. You'd have to be nuts to suggest such a trade.
The only way you trade Brown is if it's in a deal for someone like AD. Otherwise, you hold on to a two way player like him with a death grip.
yep. i'd only trade him for AD or KD. that's it basically
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I know there were a few good things about the game - especially terry and Morris. BUT, I am disappointed in 2 things:
1. The number of wide open shots that JJ Redick got, mostly off of simple picks.
2. The layup drill put on by Simmons. Can't anybody stay in front of him? I mean, he is nowhere near as good as Kyrie with his dribbling. The D on him is just plain lazy in my eyes. get in the f'in front of him [dang it].
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One of my biggest concerns coming into this season was Rozier and how his role would evolve coming off of a great playoff run this last year. There is no doubt in my mind that some team is going to throw a big offer at him next year, and the opportunity to start and play huge minutes will likely be at the top of his priority list.
With that being said, we all know how Danny feels about him, and he is going to be a key cog to this team in the postseason (trading him would be a tough pill to swallow). Last night he played 27 minutes, and was a team high (doubling up the next closest) +22. I feel that this type of role is perfect for Rozier, and am hoping he buys in and the Celtics can find a way to pay him next year.
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After all the talk about minutes this summer I'm glad to come away from game 1 feeling like Brad has it all figured out. There's a clear 9-man rotation that's going to play about 20-30 mpg and he's not going to stray from those 9 guys.
The starters will play around 30 mpg, with Hayward playing fewer minutes until he's ready. Baynes played 19 minutes last night, which is exactly what he averaged last season. That leaves 23-24 mpg for Terry, Smart, and Morris.
And that's it. The real sacrifice in minutes are going to come from the fringes. Ojeleye, Yabu, and Wanamaker effectively didn't play. Theis got a couple of non-garbage minutes (which I was glad to see) but he's not part of the rotation.
Save for injuries, we just aren't going to have bench guys who come in and play 5-10 minutes. Brad has his tight 9 and he's going to stick with it.
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The crazy thing to me is we blew out the 76ers with Kyrie and Hayward not doing too much.
Now imagine if they hit their normal percentages or once they found into form?
This team is going to be scary good. The depth we are able to throw at teams is ridiculous
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11. I think Hayward showed some signs of improvement from the preseason, too. I loved his four steals, it will come.
Don't want to be a downer, but he didn't look like he was ready for 25 minutes.
I am sure he will be fine, but he looked out of breath and no lift at certain points.
He mentioned he was out of breath in the post game, but not due to conditioning. He apparently was too revved up, which you could understand.
I think apc was referring to his play in 2nd half. I agree. He lacked lift and looked gassed. Brad took him out shortly after, then re-inserted him. He'll be fine, though. Just conditioning, really. He lacked lift, you could see it when he tried to go for rebounds and was clearly unable to get up much. Also affects his ability to finish at the rim.
It will come back, and when it does, look out.
Oh, and Gordon is much bigger and stronger than I realized. Simmons had trouble trying to post him up. His size is a huge benefit for us.
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If Brad is a good coach, there shouldn't be such a thing as "too much talent" on this team. It will be his job to get these guys to buy into what they can achieve this year. Doc was able to do it with 3 superstars, Brad needs to do it with this team.
If during the year, a few guys get upset at not playing more and cause a disruption, then trade them for picks or players that want to win. Unless they get nailed with the injury bug, there is absolutely no reason for this team to not have a better than avg chance at winning it all. GS is good, but Boston is way deeper and should be able to handle them.
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Losing Ilyasova and Bellinelli this summer really hurt the Sixers. The lack of shooting and the ability to spread the floor was painfully evident for them last night.
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After all the talk about minutes this summer I'm glad to come away from game 1 feeling like Brad has it all figured out. There's a clear 9-man rotation that's going to play about 20-30 mpg and he's not going to stray from those 9 guys.
The starters will play around 30 mpg, with Hayward playing fewer minutes until he's ready. Baynes played 19 minutes last night, which is exactly what he averaged last season. That leaves 23-24 mpg for Terry, Smart, and Morris.
And that's it. The real sacrifice in minutes are going to come from the fringes. Ojeleye, Yabu, and Wanamaker effectively didn't play. Theis got a couple of non-garbage minutes (which I was glad to see) but he's not part of the rotation.
Save for injuries, we just aren't going to have bench guys who come in and play 5-10 minutes. Brad has his tight 9 and he's going to stick with it.
TP. This is a great point. I was worried how we would find minutes for all these guys, and someone like Morris I was thinking was a luxury on this team, but he seems to fit a role.
If everyone buys in they might get roughly 5 less minutes, and less shots than they would ideally like, but still plenty of enough to go around. Guys like Semi and Larkin’s role from last year (Wanamaker) will get squeezed out. Theis may only play spot minutes for now.
It’s a long season though, injuries will happen, so there will be opportunities for some players to shine more. What I love is no one player needs to carry the team. If Tatum has a game like the games he played in the preseason, no big deal as we have so many weapons that can step up.
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Losing Ilyasova and Bellinelli this summer really hurt the Sixers. The lack of shooting and the ability to spread the floor was painfully evident for them last night.
I agree and I haven't heard a lot of commentators talking about this. I thought a major reason for the sixers late run in the regular season and then the playoff before meeting Boston was the fact that they were able to acquire both Ilyasova and Bellinelli who really complemented Simmons, similar to how Cleveland surrounded Lebron with great outside shooters. I understand they may not have been able to sign these 2 players but they also didn't seem to make any effort to sign similar players.
Without the outside shooting I believe they have taken a step backwards and will struggle more because teams will be able to sag off and plug up the driving lanes for Simmons.
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Losing Ilyasova and Bellinelli this summer really hurt the Sixers. The lack of shooting and the ability to spread the floor was painfully evident for them last night.
I agree and I haven't heard a lot of commentators talking about this. I thought a major reason for the sixers late run in the regular season and then the playoff before meeting Boston was the fact that they were able to acquire both Ilyasova and Bellinelli who really complemented Simmons, similar to how Cleveland surrounded Lebron with great outside shooters. I understand they may not have been able to sign these 2 players but they also didn't seem to make any effort to sign similar players.
Without the outside shooting I believe they have taken a step backwards and will struggle more because teams will be able to sag off and plug up the driving lanes for Simmons.
well they did have a deal with Bjelica before he backed out to "go back to Europe" (apparently he thinks Sacramento is in Europe). He has been a better shooter than either Ilyasova and Belinelli. Chandler is hurt and didn't play last night, he shot 35.8% from 3 last year, which is basically what Ilyasova shot, so that isn't much of a drop off and Chandler is a much more versatile offensive player in general.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
If your argument is there are players who would be better for us now than Brown than fine. I very strongly disagree with you about how good Brown is right now, and especially how good he could be long term and honestly I think its pretty obvious you are undervaluing him. But there might be better fit. Jj Reddick is not one of them. Ya, his shooting is nice but he hurt our switch heavy defense and gives u a Irving Reddick abysmal defense backcourt. Hard Pass.
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Losing Ilyasova and Bellinelli this summer really hurt the Sixers. The lack of shooting and the ability to spread the floor was painfully evident for them last night.
I agree and I haven't heard a lot of commentators talking about this. I thought a major reason for the sixers late run in the regular season and then the playoff before meeting Boston was the fact that they were able to acquire both Ilyasova and Bellinelli who really complemented Simmons, similar to how Cleveland surrounded Lebron with great outside shooters. I understand they may not have been able to sign these 2 players but they also didn't seem to make any effort to sign similar players.
Without the outside shooting I believe they have taken a step backwards and will struggle more because teams will be able to sag off and plug up the driving lanes for Simmons.
They both wanted out. Philly is a mess.
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Quick takes on the list that started this thread:
Agree with some points - here's were I disagree-
2. Easy on that one, Rozier was at home and the place was pumped - to date that's been when he's at his best.
4. Al does what's needed. To me he's the one player on this team who would be tough to replace if he ever had to miss significant time. No one else can do everything that he does.
7. Agree that someone will get the short end of the stick, but I don't think it will be Brown. However I could see him coming off the bench to get Baynes in the lineup. I'd be curious to see how he'd handle that.
8. I'll take last night's version of Morris vs the Toine imitation he did in the playoffs with his volume shooting/missing. His defense and toughness will keep him in the lineup. However if I ran the Sixers, he's a guy I'd be looking to sign this off season. He'd make a big impact on that roster.
Good opening night. Game 2 is going to be real interesting on the road against a team that could be 2nd best in conference.
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A few things:
What would have happened if the Sixers had picked Tatum no.1 instead of Fulz? They sure did screw the pooch. Didn't realize they had their PG in Simmons! Wow.
Tatum is a superstar shortly in the making. Slam dunk.
Rozier is one heck of a player. Confirms Ainge is a draft genius.
Jaylen Brown can jump over Embiid.
Still guys lapsing into bombing threes with no ball distribution and nobody near the basket.
Baynes shouldn't be shooting threes, and Morris shoots too many of them. Ball distribution, guys. Get better shots. Stevens needs to manage these things.
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I agree with many of the points. I am in the camp of not getting too carried away with 1 game, in large part because (a) it's October and things change a lot and more importantly (b) I really think the 76ers are overrated, and will likely be passed in the standings by Boston, Toronto, Milwaukee and maybe even another team if anyone overachieves. Remember, they were a .500 team last year until they acquired İlyasova and Belinelli, and they really weren't replaced - their bench will kill them. Sure Embid and Simmons will be better, but Fultz is a bust as far as I am concerned, he looks terrible - and what was he, -16 last night? Major liability. 76ers around 45-48 wins tops this year.
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A few things:
What would have happened if the Sixers had picked Tatum no.1 instead of Fulz? They sure did screw the pooch. Didn't realize they had their PG in Simmons! Wow.
Tatum is a superstar shortly in the making. Slam dunk.
Rozier is one heck of a player. Confirms Ainge is a draft genius.
Jaylen Brown can jump over Embiid.
Still guys lapsing into bombing threes with no ball distribution and nobody near the basket.
Baynes shouldn't be shooting threes, and Morris shoots too many of them. Ball distribution, guys. Get better shots. Stevens needs to manage these things.
I disagree with this, mostly because a) Baynes is seemingly hitting his 3's at a high percentage, and hit 2/4 against Philly, and b) Morris is probably our best scorer off the bench, and feasts on opposition bench defences. Last season when Morris had to spend half his time as a starter, without a preseason, I think we asked too much of him. Coming off the bench and shooting is a good role for him, as he provides good defence and rebounding too.
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A few things:
What would have happened if the Sixers had picked Tatum no.1 instead of Fulz? They sure did screw the pooch. Didn't realize they had their PG in Simmons! Wow.
Tatum is a superstar shortly in the making. Slam dunk.
Rozier is one heck of a player. Confirms Ainge is a draft genius.
Jaylen Brown can jump over Embiid.
Still guys lapsing into bombing threes with no ball distribution and nobody near the basket.
Baynes shouldn't be shooting threes, and Morris shoots too many of them. Ball distribution, guys. Get better shots. Stevens needs to manage these things.
I disagree with this, mostly because a) Baynes is seemingly hitting his 3's at a high percentage, and hit 2/4 against Philly, and b) Morris is probably our best scorer off the bench, and feasts on opposition bench defences. Last season when Morris had to spend half his time as a starter, without a preseason, I think we asked too much of him. Coming off the bench and shooting is a good role for him, as he provides good defence and rebounding too.
We just need Marcus and BoB to start hitting the three and we will have the first 15-man roster that is deadly from anywhere.
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A few things:
What would have happened if the Sixers had picked Tatum no.1 instead of Fulz? They sure did screw the pooch. Didn't realize they had their PG in Simmons! Wow.
Tatum is a superstar shortly in the making. Slam dunk.
Rozier is one heck of a player. Confirms Ainge is a draft genius.
Jaylen Brown can jump over Embiid.
Still guys lapsing into bombing threes with no ball distribution and nobody near the basket.
Baynes shouldn't be shooting threes, and Morris shoots too many of them. Ball distribution, guys. Get better shots. Stevens needs to manage these things.
I disagree with this, mostly because a) Baynes is seemingly hitting his 3's at a high percentage, and hit 2/4 against Philly, and b) Morris is probably our best scorer off the bench, and feasts on opposition bench defences. Last season when Morris had to spend half his time as a starter, without a preseason, I think we asked too much of him. Coming off the bench and shooting is a good role for him, as he provides good defence and rebounding too.
I saw Baynes hit a 3 in the corner. Then he comes back and shoots another 3 from the same spot a few minutes later. Guess what? He misses.
I saw Morris shoot 3s down the court in four or five successive plays. Missed all of them. He had hit one previously. No passing for the best shot.
When they missed those 3s, Philly came right down the court and scored on easy layups, closing the score. The Celtics opened the lead again when they got back to ball distribution.
The 3 has always had a place, but it can be overdone and counterproductive. In the old days, the job went to Bird and Ainge.
Anybody who can't shoot 34% on the 3 should not be shooting them.
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A few things:
What would have happened if the Sixers had picked Tatum no.1 instead of Fulz? They sure did screw the pooch. Didn't realize they had their PG in Simmons! Wow.
Tatum is a superstar shortly in the making. Slam dunk.
Rozier is one heck of a player. Confirms Ainge is a draft genius.
Jaylen Brown can jump over Embiid.
Still guys lapsing into bombing threes with no ball distribution and nobody near the basket.
Baynes shouldn't be shooting threes, and Morris shoots too many of them. Ball distribution, guys. Get better shots. Stevens needs to manage these things.
I disagree with this, mostly because a) Baynes is seemingly hitting his 3's at a high percentage, and hit 2/4 against Philly, and b) Morris is probably our best scorer off the bench, and feasts on opposition bench defences. Last season when Morris had to spend half his time as a starter, without a preseason, I think we asked too much of him. Coming off the bench and shooting is a good role for him, as he provides good defence and rebounding too.
I saw Baynes hit a 3 in the corner. Then he comes back and shoots another 3 from the same spot a few minutes later. Guess what? He misses.
I saw Morris shoot 3s down the court in four or five successive plays. Missed all of them. He had hit one previously. No passing for the best shot.
When they missed those 3s, Philly came right down the court and scored on easy layups, closing the score. The Celtics opened the lead again when they got back to ball distribution.
The 3 has always had a place, but it can be overdone and counterproductive. In the old days, the job went to Bird and Ainge.
Anybody who can't shoot 34% on the 3 should not be shooting them.
If we look at Baynes’ meaningful three point shooting periods, which is basically since last playoffs, Baynes has been a 40% and higher three point shooter. Not only that, but CBS encourages it.
It’s a huge weapon if Baynes is threatening from three, as it sucks the big guys (like Embiid, who was quite useless as a rim protector) away from the hoop. It’s a shot that’s here to stay.
Marcus Morris is above 34% from three both over his career (35.7%) and with us (36.5%). Sure he didn’t shoot too well from 3 against Philly, but it’s his role in the offence.
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A few things:
What would have happened if the Sixers had picked Tatum no.1 instead of Fulz? They sure did screw the pooch. Didn't realize they had their PG in Simmons! Wow.
Tatum is a superstar shortly in the making. Slam dunk.
Rozier is one heck of a player. Confirms Ainge is a draft genius.
Jaylen Brown can jump over Embiid.
Still guys lapsing into bombing threes with no ball distribution and nobody near the basket.
Baynes shouldn't be shooting threes, and Morris shoots too many of them. Ball distribution, guys. Get better shots. Stevens needs to manage these things.
I disagree with this, mostly because a) Baynes is seemingly hitting his 3's at a high percentage, and hit 2/4 against Philly, and b) Morris is probably our best scorer off the bench, and feasts on opposition bench defences. Last season when Morris had to spend half his time as a starter, without a preseason, I think we asked too much of him. Coming off the bench and shooting is a good role for him, as he provides good defence and rebounding too.
I saw Baynes hit a 3 in the corner. Then he comes back and shoots another 3 from the same spot a few minutes later. Guess what? He misses.
I saw Morris shoot 3s down the court in four or five successive plays. Missed all of them. He had hit one previously. No passing for the best shot.
When they missed those 3s, Philly came right down the court and scored on easy layups, closing the score. The Celtics opened the lead again when they got back to ball distribution.
The 3 has always had a place, but it can be overdone and counterproductive. In the old days, the job went to Bird and Ainge.
Anybody who can't shoot 34% on the 3 should not be shooting them.
The ball can only move so much before you pass up good shots. An open corner three from Baynes isn’t the worst shot. If he’s taking contested step-backs from the wing, then we have a problem. Catch-and-shoot open corner treys from him are certainly acceptable.
For Baynes’ career, from three feet out to the 3pt line, he’s just under 43%. So, if he’s not dunking/tipping, he might as well shoot the three (so long as he can shoot above 29% - he’s at 33% in Boston).
Instead of the midrange baseline jumper, we’re better off with him leaking out past the line. Draws out his defender a littler further to open the lane more and either a finish at the rim by the penetrator or an even less contested three (than midrange).
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One thought after Game 1, most important to me. We have a team where so many players can create his own shot. Irving, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Rozier, Morris, Al. Wow! When playoffs comes, it'll be a huge thing.
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
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A few things:
What would have happened if the Sixers had picked Tatum no.1 instead of Fulz? They sure did screw the pooch. Didn't realize they had their PG in Simmons! Wow.
Tatum is a superstar shortly in the making. Slam dunk.
Rozier is one heck of a player. Confirms Ainge is a draft genius.
Jaylen Brown can jump over Embiid.
Still guys lapsing into bombing threes with no ball distribution and nobody near the basket.
Baynes shouldn't be shooting threes, and Morris shoots too many of them. Ball distribution, guys. Get better shots. Stevens needs to manage these things.
I disagree with this, mostly because a) Baynes is seemingly hitting his 3's at a high percentage, and hit 2/4 against Philly, and b) Morris is probably our best scorer off the bench, and feasts on opposition bench defences. Last season when Morris had to spend half his time as a starter, without a preseason, I think we asked too much of him. Coming off the bench and shooting is a good role for him, as he provides good defence and rebounding too.
I saw Baynes hit a 3 in the corner. Then he comes back and shoots another 3 from the same spot a few minutes later. Guess what? He misses.
I saw Morris shoot 3s down the court in four or five successive plays. Missed all of them. He had hit one previously. No passing for the best shot.
When they missed those 3s, Philly came right down the court and scored on easy layups, closing the score. The Celtics opened the lead again when they got back to ball distribution.
The 3 has always had a place, but it can be overdone and counterproductive. In the old days, the job went to Bird and Ainge.
Anybody who can't shoot 34% on the 3 should not be shooting them.
The ball can only move so much before you pass up good shots. An open corner three from Baynes isn’t the worst shot. If he’s taking contested step-backs from the wing, then we have a problem. Catch-and-shoot open corner treys from him are certainly acceptable.
For Baynes’ career, from three feet out to the 3pt line, he’s just under 43%. So, if he’s not dunking/tipping, he might as well shoot the three (so long as he can shoot above 29% - he’s at 33% in Boston).
Instead of the midrange baseline jumper, we’re better off with him leaking out past the line. Draws out his defender a littler further to open the lane more and either a finish at the rim by the penetrator or an even less contested three (than midrange).
The big thing with Baynes being able to shoot and make 3's is it pulls Embid or anyone else who can clog the lane out away from the basket. I'll be interested to see whether he keeps taking them against other teams. It's a great weapon vs the Sixers. Keep in mind too, the days of the low post center are gone unless the league legislates it back into play. All they do now is get in the way offensively.
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
I’d definitely be surprised. Peak Hayward was only clearly behind LBJ, Durant, Kawhi & Giannis in terms of SF’s.
Brown will never have the facilitating ability nor BBIQ Hayward does. He could definitely be a more explosive player, but better? I don’t think so. Brown gives me more of a better-shooting worse-rebounding Gerald Wallace vibe
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
I’d definitely be surprised. Peak Hayward was only clearly behind LBJ, Durant, Kawhi & Giannis in terms of SF’s.
Brown will never have the facilitating ability nor BBIQ Hayward does. He could definitely be a more explosive player, but better? I don’t think so. Brown gives me more of a better-shooting worse-rebounding Gerald Wallace vibe
For comparison
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1_select=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1=brownja02&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Gordon+Hayward&player_id2_select=Gordon+Hayward&y2=2012&player_id2=haywago01&idx=players
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
I’d definitely be surprised. Peak Hayward was only clearly behind LBJ, Durant, Kawhi & Giannis in terms of SF’s.
Brown will never have the facilitating ability nor BBIQ Hayward does. He could definitely be a more explosive player, but better? I don’t think so. Brown gives me more of a better-shooting worse-rebounding Gerald Wallace vibe
For comparison
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1_select=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1=brownja02&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Gordon+Hayward&player_id2_select=Gordon+Hayward&y2=2012&player_id2=haywago01&idx=players
I don’t think Hayward’s early stages are a good comparison, because physically he was very underprepared for the league. He took quite some time to build strength & muscle. Brown on the other hand has been a brick since forever.
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A few things:
What would have happened if the Sixers had picked Tatum no.1 instead of Fulz? They sure did screw the pooch. Didn't realize they had their PG in Simmons! Wow.
Tatum is a superstar shortly in the making. Slam dunk.
Rozier is one heck of a player. Confirms Ainge is a draft genius.
Jaylen Brown can jump over Embiid.
Still guys lapsing into bombing threes with no ball distribution and nobody near the basket.
Baynes shouldn't be shooting threes, and Morris shoots too many of them. Ball distribution, guys. Get better shots. Stevens needs to manage these things.
I disagree with this, mostly because a) Baynes is seemingly hitting his 3's at a high percentage, and hit 2/4 against Philly, and b) Morris is probably our best scorer off the bench, and feasts on opposition bench defences. Last season when Morris had to spend half his time as a starter, without a preseason, I think we asked too much of him. Coming off the bench and shooting is a good role for him, as he provides good defence and rebounding too.
I saw Baynes hit a 3 in the corner. Then he comes back and shoots another 3 from the same spot a few minutes later. Guess what? He misses.
I saw Morris shoot 3s down the court in four or five successive plays. Missed all of them. He had hit one previously. No passing for the best shot.
When they missed those 3s, Philly came right down the court and scored on easy layups, closing the score. The Celtics opened the lead again when they got back to ball distribution.
The 3 has always had a place, but it can be overdone and counterproductive. In the old days, the job went to Bird and Ainge.
Anybody who can't shoot 34% on the 3 should not be shooting them.
Be ready, this team is going to put up A LOT of threes this year. We have a slew of players who make your 34% criteria including our entire starting lineup. Guys off the bench like Rozier and Morris (and maybe Baynes, time will tell) also can make 34%+. The three is going to be a huge weapon for this team.
Baynes being able to shoot threes is really going to mess with team defenses, I'm guessing he's going to keep trying unless it proves that his streak in the playoffs last year was a fluke.
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
I’d definitely be surprised. Peak Hayward was only clearly behind LBJ, Durant, Kawhi & Giannis in terms of SF’s.
Brown will never have the facilitating ability nor BBIQ Hayward does. He could definitely be a more explosive player, but better? I don’t think so. Brown gives me more of a better-shooting worse-rebounding Gerald Wallace vibe
For comparison
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1_select=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1=brownja02&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Gordon+Hayward&player_id2_select=Gordon+Hayward&y2=2012&player_id2=haywago01&idx=players
I don’t think Hayward’s early stages are a good comparison, because physically he was very underprepared for the league. He took quite some time to build strength & muscle. Brown on the other hand has been a brick since forever.
It's unfair to give Hayward leeway to develop his body, but not give leeway Brown to develop his skills.
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If you look at the minutes Stevens really played everyone evenly and enough for them all to be happy. The guys that didnt play probably shouldnt. Maybe Semi might grow frustrasted but someone will get hurt.
Semi can either learn how to make a 3 or kick rocks. Someone that offensively deficient has no place in the regular rotation of a team favored to make the finals, even in the regular season.
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
I’d definitely be surprised. Peak Hayward was only clearly behind LBJ, Durant, Kawhi & Giannis in terms of SF’s.
Brown will never have the facilitating ability nor BBIQ Hayward does. He could definitely be a more explosive player, but better? I don’t think so. Brown gives me more of a better-shooting worse-rebounding Gerald Wallace vibe
Yep, he was in the same sort of area as George and Butler. That 10-20th bets player in the league range. Jaylen compares very favorably with those three guys through his first two seasons, and closely with Kawhi as well. None of that means he is going to end up as good or better than them, but it does mean you can't dismiss the idea out of hand either.
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
I’d definitely be surprised. Peak Hayward was only clearly behind LBJ, Durant, Kawhi & Giannis in terms of SF’s.
Brown will never have the facilitating ability nor BBIQ Hayward does. He could definitely be a more explosive player, but better? I don’t think so. Brown gives me more of a better-shooting worse-rebounding Gerald Wallace vibe
For comparison
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1_select=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1=brownja02&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Gordon+Hayward&player_id2_select=Gordon+Hayward&y2=2012&player_id2=haywago01&idx=players
I don’t think Hayward’s early stages are a good comparison, because physically he was very underprepared for the league. He took quite some time to build strength & muscle. Brown on the other hand has been a brick since forever.
It's unfair to give Hayward leeway to develop his body, but not give leeway Brown to develop his skills.
I think Brown needs to develop his body too. You look at his biceps and might say he already has an NBA body, but specifically he needs more strength to be able to go into the lane successfully instead of being swallowed up.
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Brown's best case is a Paul Pierce like career, which is better than peak Hayward.
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Brown's best case is a Paul Pierce like career, which is better than peak Hayward.
Brown is a very different player than Pierce. Hayward is a lot more similar to Pierce than Jaylen is.
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Brown's best case is a Paul Pierce like career, which is better than peak Hayward.
Brown is a very different player than Pierce. Hayward is a lot more similar to Pierce than Jaylen is.
Paul Pierce LIKE CAREER
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
I think you're underestimating how important Brown is to our perimeter defence. He's our best guy to defend the Thompson's, DeRozan's, Middleton's and other tall guard/wings of the league. Almost all the elite teams in the league have a player like that, and Redick routinely gets crushed by them. Would kill us over a series
Perhaps. But is brown going to accept the defensive stopper role that is a fifth or sixth option on offense? That’s part of the point.
We can't tell, but I don't necessarily think he'll be a 5th or 6th option offensively long term at all. I think the #3 or #4 guy, depending on how much Hayward turns into what is effectively the wing version of Horford, is much more likely. Just because he's a defensive stopper doesn't mean he can't get 12-15 FGA's
Yeah, that’s where we differ. I think Hayward will be fine. And I don’t think jaylen will ever be as good as peak Hayward. His feel for the game is just so far below average, even for his age. I don’t think it will ever be average.
First, he's 21. Which means that if it was the 1980s, he wouldn't even be in the league. There are *so many* players who have made major improvements in their game feel in their mid-20s.
Second, I really disagree that his feel for the game is grossly deficient. I would not say he's at the top of the pile, but I also wouldn't say he's at the bottom. His defensive awareness is good and improving. For offensive game feel, I saw him make a couple of very smart decisions - recognizing when he had a smaller man on him and taking him into the post for an easy bucket using the moves he developed over the winter. That's clear growth over an offseason. His handle is miles better than in his year 1. There are other examples, but you are really underselling him.
As a reminder: 18 points on .563 TS% during the playoffs last year - including a few games where he was half strength due to injury.
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
I’d definitely be surprised. Peak Hayward was only clearly behind LBJ, Durant, Kawhi & Giannis in terms of SF’s.
Brown will never have the facilitating ability nor BBIQ Hayward does. He could definitely be a more explosive player, but better? I don’t think so. Brown gives me more of a better-shooting worse-rebounding Gerald Wallace vibe
For comparison
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1_select=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1=brownja02&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Gordon+Hayward&player_id2_select=Gordon+Hayward&y2=2012&player_id2=haywago01&idx=players
Thank you - TP.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
I think you're underestimating how important Brown is to our perimeter defence. He's our best guy to defend the Thompson's, DeRozan's, Middleton's and other tall guard/wings of the league. Almost all the elite teams in the league have a player like that, and Redick routinely gets crushed by them. Would kill us over a series
Perhaps. But is brown going to accept the defensive stopper role that is a fifth or sixth option on offense? That’s part of the point.
We can't tell, but I don't necessarily think he'll be a 5th or 6th option offensively long term at all. I think the #3 or #4 guy, depending on how much Hayward turns into what is effectively the wing version of Horford, is much more likely. Just because he's a defensive stopper doesn't mean he can't get 12-15 FGA's
Yeah, that’s where we differ. I think Hayward will be fine. And I don’t think jaylen will ever be as good as peak Hayward. His feel for the game is just so far below average, even for his age. I don’t think it will ever be average.
First, he's 21. Which means that if it was the 1980s, he wouldn't even be in the league. There are *so many* players who have made major improvements in their game feel in their mid-20s.
Second, I really disagree that his feel for the game is grossly deficient. I would not say he's at the top of the pile, but I also wouldn't say he's at the bottom. His defensive awareness is good and improving. For offensive game feel, I saw him make a couple of very smart decisions - recognizing when he had a smaller man on him and taking him into the post for an easy bucket using the moves he developed over the winter. That's clear growth over an offseason. His handle is miles better than in his year 1. There are other examples, but you are really underselling him.
As a reminder: 18 points on .563 TS% during the playoffs last year - including a few games where he was half strength due to injury.
To add to this, after 7 seasons Hayward had 3 games scoring 30+ points in the playoffs. Brown has had 2 such games after just 2 seasons.
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Brown will never be as good as peak Hayward? Uh...
I’d definitely be surprised. Peak Hayward was only clearly behind LBJ, Durant, Kawhi & Giannis in terms of SF’s.
Brown will never have the facilitating ability nor BBIQ Hayward does. He could definitely be a more explosive player, but better? I don’t think so. Brown gives me more of a better-shooting worse-rebounding Gerald Wallace vibe
For comparison
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1_select=Jaylen+Brown&player_id1=brownja02&y1=2018&player_id2_hint=Gordon+Hayward&player_id2_select=Gordon+Hayward&y2=2012&player_id2=haywago01&idx=players
I don’t think Hayward’s early stages are a good comparison, because physically he was very underprepared for the league. He took quite some time to build strength & muscle. Brown on the other hand has been a brick since forever.
It's unfair to give Hayward leeway to develop his body, but not give leeway Brown to develop his skills.
I think Brown needs to develop his body too. You look at his biceps and might say he already has an NBA body, but specifically he needs more strength to be able to go into the lane successfully instead of being swallowed up.
Many players with less bulk and strength than Brown successfully navigate the lane. His issue isn't lack of strength.
The development he needs more than anything else is between his ears, and his lack of overall basketball development. People forget how raw he was 2 years ago. He was basically a high schooler when he got here. He's 21 years old, many of the all time greats weren't even in the league at this point in their lives. Jaylen is learning on the job.
Frankly, I don't see how anyone can discount his massive potential when you see the difference in Jaylen Brown year 1 vs. year 2. If he takes anything resembling that leap forward again this year, he won't be far from the all-defensive team and an all star.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not seeing those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
LOLOLOLOLOL
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JMO, but I think Butler is a better comparison for Jaylen. And Jaylen is further along at this stage of his career than Butler was, and 3 years his younger than Butler was.
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Disagree with 7. Brown didn't finish well tonight but with his usual finishing, he probably puts up 20 tonight. Brown will be a two way star. He has to stay and be used properly.
But you’re only half addressing the point. I think someone is going to get lost amid all these A players. I happen to think that guy will be Brown.
I think they will all find their role and on different nights, the leading scorer and star will be different and on many, many nights that star is Brown.
Brown missed several lay ups/offensive rebounds/makeable shots. He could easily have gone for 20+ tonight and if he did I am sure you aren't calling to trade him.
I’m not those makeable misses. As I recall, he was swallowed up inside several times and he’s never really been known for his touch around the rim anyway.
As far as calling to trade him, that’s not really the premise of my thread last week. I more was pointing to a guy that might be replaced by another guy to make us better (theoretically). For instance, I think the Celtics would be better right now with someone like reddick versus brown.
Reddick over Brown? Really? Reddick is 34, Brown is 21
Thats not the point. I think reddick would be a better fit in this team and make us better right now.
Ugh, no way at all. Marginally better shooter than Brown, better off ball movement, but his defence and absolute lack of versatility would be terrible for us
Thats fine. I’m referring to fit, and someone that can cause havoc without having the ball in his hands. Of course brown is a better defender and more versatile but we have that in spades anyway. One less versatile guy isn’t going to kill this team.
I think you're underestimating how important Brown is to our perimeter defence. He's our best guy to defend the Thompson's, DeRozan's, Middleton's and other tall guard/wings of the league. Almost all the elite teams in the league have a player like that, and Redick routinely gets crushed by them. Would kill us over a series
Perhaps. But is brown going to accept the defensive stopper role that is a fifth or sixth option on offense? That’s part of the point.
We can't tell, but I don't necessarily think he'll be a 5th or 6th option offensively long term at all. I think the #3 or #4 guy, depending on how much Hayward turns into what is effectively the wing version of Horford, is much more likely. Just because he's a defensive stopper doesn't mean he can't get 12-15 FGA's
Yeah, that’s where we differ. I think Hayward will be fine. And I don’t think jaylen will ever be as good as peak Hayward. His feel for the game is just so far below average, even for his age. I don’t think it will ever be average.
First, he's 21. Which means that if it was the 1980s, he wouldn't even be in the league. There are *so many* players who have made major improvements in their game feel in their mid-20s.
Second, I really disagree that his feel for the game is grossly deficient. I would not say he's at the top of the pile, but I also wouldn't say he's at the bottom. His defensive awareness is good and improving. For offensive game feel, I saw him make a couple of very smart decisions - recognizing when he had a smaller man on him and taking him into the post for an easy bucket using the moves he developed over the winter. That's clear growth over an offseason. His handle is miles better than in his year 1. There are other examples, but you are really underselling him.
As a reminder: 18 points on .563 TS% during the playoffs last year - including a few games where he was half strength due to injury.
I'm not sure there is any way to prove feel for the game one way or the other BUT, it was basically Brown's scouting report coming. It's pretty obvious to me when I watch him. He hesitates or he pre-determines moves, and he still often finds himself in bad situations when driving to the basket. That's all feel for the game and it's not where it should be for a guy his age (IF you're projecting a star player). Look at any other of the guys that the Celts have developed in recent years and feel for the game is not something that has come up.
As far as last year, I think Jaylen is pretty good if he's told to just go get it. Still makes mistakes but less feel and thinking involved. But what happens when that's not the case? He's hesitant and unsure of how to fit in offensively. He also has very little playmaking ability beyond scoring; doesn't/can't get others involved. I don't think these points are controversial at all.
And the Pierce, Butler, Kawhi, etc. comps are cool. And perhaps, those are his ceiling comps (as posters are prone to use). But what are the odds that he reaches those heights? How realistic are they? Jaylen is just as likely to be the next Ricky Davis.
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Are we really still debating if Brown is better than Reddick? I personally don't think that is even close. JJ is a great shooter, but he is old and limited on def. Jaylen shot 39+% from 3 last year in the regular season and in the playoffs. If we ever do trade Jaylen we better be getting a lot better back than Reddick....
Did someone forget that Brown scored almost as much as Tatum in last years playoffs and was a better def player? Did someone forget that Brown improved literally the whole year (like tatum)?
(1) 12 point game and people think Brown is regressing lol.
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Jaylen is already better than Ricky Davis ever was. Davis might have had better numbers, but Jaylen already contributes more to wins.
What I love about Jaylen is how quietly he produces. When Tatum puts up 20 in a playoff game, everybody lost their mind, but when Jaylen does on the same efficiency, he goes largely unnoticed.
He was the 2nd leading scorer on a conference final team. He defended anyone from JJ Reddick to Lebron James with success. He shoots 40% from three, but everyone says that is inflated. He places 9th in Defensive MVP voting, but few talk about how the Cs became a top 5 defense when he replaced Bradley in the starting lineup. He doesn't need the ball to score his points, but everyone questions his play-making abilities. He abuses smaller players in the post, but everyone questions his handles. He pushes the tempo to get us easy buckets, but everyone is complaining about his free throw percentage.
Irving, Hayward, and Horford will score points this year, but they will largely ride into the playoffs on teh backs of Rozier, Brown, and Tatum. The older guys will facilitate for the younger guys, and the younger guys will wingames with energy and aggression.
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Jaylen had a bad game 1 and showed that he still isn't over his propensity to force the issue when he shouldn't. But he's only going to be 22 years old when he has his next birthday and we're a few months removed from him averaging 18-5 on .549 eFG% in an ECF run.
I'm not concerned at all.
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
His lack of BBIQ is certainly frustrating, but I think trying to attribute it to his interests outside of basketball isn’t the way to go. Gordon Hayward spends heaps of time gaming, yet his BBIQ is off the charts.
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Browns bbiq is higher than you think. He led the team in scoring last year in playoffs. You don't get to do that with "low bbiq." I would say those blocked shots and bad decisions was rust
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
His lack of BBIQ is certainly frustrating, but I think trying to attribute it to his interests outside of basketball isn’t the way to go. Gordon Hayward spends heaps of time gaming, yet his BBIQ is off the charts.
The games Hayward plays actually demand a very high level of constant decision making as well as reading of the game, teamwork, ect
My stance for interests outside of basketball is if you are capable of taking care of your business i don't mind you do whatever you want to do, like kyrie's movie, but Brown apparently has a long long way to go
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Browns bbiq is higher than you think. He led the team in scoring last year in playoffs. You don't get to do that with "low bbiq." I would say those blocked shots and bad decisions was rust
The decision to try to drive a straight line to dunk from halfcourt looks more a lack of BBall IQ then rust to me..
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
It's not like Brown was a slouch in the off-season...
Excuse me, do you personally know Brown outside of the Celtic forums? So how can you make such a outlandish statement? He trained with Hardaway, and McGrady, and played pick up basketball overseas... Once Brown improves his ball handling, we'll see a noticeable difference... And it's the first game lol.
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
It's not like Brown was a slouch in the off-season...
Excuse me, do you personally know Brown outside of the Celtic forums? So how can you make such a outlandish statement? He trained with Hardaway, and McGrady, and played pick up basketball overseas... Once Brown improves his ball handling, we'll see a noticeable difference... And it's the first game lol.
Jaylen will score 20 in the next week and there will be a thread on which Jay is better. I don’t think there is much question that Tatum will be better, but memories are short — Jaylen had many moments last year when he seemed the better player (if not the higher ceiling). Don’t underestimate the fickleness of this board. We may even see it tonight.
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
It's not like Brown was a slouch in the off-season...
Excuse me, do you personally know Brown outside of the Celtic forums? So how can you make such a outlandish statement? He trained with Hardaway, and McGrady, and played pick up basketball overseas... Once Brown improves his ball handling, we'll see a noticeable difference... And it's the first game lol.
I know you are a Brown fan boy but it's pretty obvious his lack of BBall IQ is holding him back
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
It's not like Brown was a slouch in the off-season...
Excuse me, do you personally know Brown outside of the Celtic forums? So how can you make such a outlandish statement? He trained with Hardaway, and McGrady, and played pick up basketball overseas... Once Brown improves his ball handling, we'll see a noticeable difference... And it's the first game lol.
I know you are a Brown fan boy but it's pretty obvious his lack of BBall IQ is holding him back
Sure, but outside activies has no correlation to BBIQ. I guess you were part of the crowd that said Brown wasn't training due to the lack of videos.
Players can give speeches, they can attend their friend's parties or whatever they want to do in the offseason. Not a single basketball player in history spends his time on the game whenever they dont eat&sleep.
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
It's not like Brown was a slouch in the off-season...
Excuse me, do you personally know Brown outside of the Celtic forums? So how can you make such a outlandish statement? He trained with Hardaway, and McGrady, and played pick up basketball overseas... Once Brown improves his ball handling, we'll see a noticeable difference... And it's the first game lol.
I know you are a Brown fan boy but it's pretty obvious his lack of BBall IQ is holding him back
Sure, but outside activies has no correlation to BBIQ. I guess you were part of the crowd that said Brown wasn't training due to the lack of videos.
Players can give speeches, they can attend their friend's parties or whatever they want to do in the offseason. Not a single basketball player in history spends his time on the game whenever they dont eat&sleep.
You are right i'm the one who called out brown for not showing training videos and short after that he put it all out, so maybe he heard me 8)
I'm pretty sure most players don't travel across the world in the summer and give speechs on many different field during the season like brown did, not saying he can't do that, just if he spent too much time on it he won't have enough time to improve his basketball
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After all the talk about minutes this summer I'm glad to come away from game 1 feeling like Brad has it all figured out. There's a clear 9-man rotation that's going to play about 20-30 mpg and he's not going to stray from those 9 guys.
The starters will play around 30 mpg, with Hayward playing fewer minutes until he's ready. Baynes played 19 minutes last night, which is exactly what he averaged last season. That leaves 23-24 mpg for Terry, Smart, and Morris.
And that's it. The real sacrifice in minutes are going to come from the fringes. Ojeleye, Yabu, and Wanamaker effectively didn't play. Theis got a couple of non-garbage minutes (which I was glad to see) but he's not part of the rotation.
Save for injuries, we just aren't going to have bench guys who come in and play 5-10 minutes. Brad has his tight 9 and he's going to stick with it.
TP. This is a great point. I was worried how we would find minutes for all these guys, and someone like Morris I was thinking was a luxury on this team, but he seems to fit a role.
If everyone buys in they might get roughly 5 less minutes, and less shots than they would ideally like, but still plenty of enough to go around. Guys like Semi and Larkin’s role from last year (Wanamaker) will get squeezed out. Theis may only play spot minutes for now.
It’s a long season though, injuries will happen, so there will be opportunities for some players to shine more. What I love is no one player needs to carry the team. If Tatum has a game like the games he played in the preseason, no big deal as we have so many weapons that can step up.
I love our 9 man rotation from game 1 where our best guys get 20-30 minutes each and they mix and match among each other.
Something to remember is that Theis is still coming back from injury- he might push the rotation to 10 when/if he gets back to form. However, I'd rather see RW3 get those minutes.
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After all the talk about minutes this summer I'm glad to come away from game 1 feeling like Brad has it all figured out. There's a clear 9-man rotation that's going to play about 20-30 mpg and he's not going to stray from those 9 guys.
The starters will play around 30 mpg, with Hayward playing fewer minutes until he's ready. Baynes played 19 minutes last night, which is exactly what he averaged last season. That leaves 23-24 mpg for Terry, Smart, and Morris.
And that's it. The real sacrifice in minutes are going to come from the fringes. Ojeleye, Yabu, and Wanamaker effectively didn't play. Theis got a couple of non-garbage minutes (which I was glad to see) but he's not part of the rotation.
Save for injuries, we just aren't going to have bench guys who come in and play 5-10 minutes. Brad has his tight 9 and he's going to stick with it.
TP. This is a great point. I was worried how we would find minutes for all these guys, and someone like Morris I was thinking was a luxury on this team, but he seems to fit a role.
If everyone buys in they might get roughly 5 less minutes, and less shots than they would ideally like, but still plenty of enough to go around. Guys like Semi and Larkin’s role from last year (Wanamaker) will get squeezed out. Theis may only play spot minutes for now.
It’s a long season though, injuries will happen, so there will be opportunities for some players to shine more. What I love is no one player needs to carry the team. If Tatum has a game like the games he played in the preseason, no big deal as we have so many weapons that can step up.
I love our 9 man rotation from game 1 where our best guys get 20-30 minutes each and they mix and match among each other.
Something to remember is that Theis is still coming back from injury- he might push the rotation to 10 when/if he gets back to form. However, I'd rather see RW3 get those minutes.
You don’t think the better player should get those minutes? Or you think Williams is better than Theis?
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After all the talk about minutes this summer I'm glad to come away from game 1 feeling like Brad has it all figured out. There's a clear 9-man rotation that's going to play about 20-30 mpg and he's not going to stray from those 9 guys.
The starters will play around 30 mpg, with Hayward playing fewer minutes until he's ready. Baynes played 19 minutes last night, which is exactly what he averaged last season. That leaves 23-24 mpg for Terry, Smart, and Morris.
And that's it. The real sacrifice in minutes are going to come from the fringes. Ojeleye, Yabu, and Wanamaker effectively didn't play. Theis got a couple of non-garbage minutes (which I was glad to see) but he's not part of the rotation.
Save for injuries, we just aren't going to have bench guys who come in and play 5-10 minutes. Brad has his tight 9 and he's going to stick with it.
TP. This is a great point. I was worried how we would find minutes for all these guys, and someone like Morris I was thinking was a luxury on this team, but he seems to fit a role.
If everyone buys in they might get roughly 5 less minutes, and less shots than they would ideally like, but still plenty of enough to go around. Guys like Semi and Larkin’s role from last year (Wanamaker) will get squeezed out. Theis may only play spot minutes for now.
It’s a long season though, injuries will happen, so there will be opportunities for some players to shine more. What I love is no one player needs to carry the team. If Tatum has a game like the games he played in the preseason, no big deal as we have so many weapons that can step up.
I love our 9 man rotation from game 1 where our best guys get 20-30 minutes each and they mix and match among each other.
Something to remember is that Theis is still coming back from injury- he might push the rotation to 10 when/if he gets back to form. However, I'd rather see RW3 get those minutes.
You don’t think the better player should get those minutes? Or you think Williams is better than Theis?
I think based on what I saw from Williams in college and what we've all seen in flashes so far, that if he can get a little PT that helps him develop and get acclimated to the NBA game, he could easily bring more to the table than Theis, and things no one else brings, by the playoffs.
I don't think Theis brings enough to justify extending the rotation in the playoffs, when it might in fact get shorter. But if RW3 grows this year and can play the role of a mini Capella who sets great screens and knows the plays, he might play.
Theis is better now, but I don't see his best cutting it. I'd take a chance on RW3.
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One thing that stood out to me in game 1 is Brown's lack of BBall IQ
In many occasions he can make a better choice but he chose the bad one and got blocked or turned it over badly
Meanwhile his strength and athleticism is undeniable (along with his shooting), the dunk on Embiid is the perfect example, he is supposed to get embarrassed but instead he pulled it out
It's not saying Brown is a bad player in anyway but more of a frustration seeing how much he is getting limited and is going to be limited by his lack of BBall IQ, he can easily got 20 instead if 12 in that game and made his name on the media with Tatum
One can not resist but to think only if he can spend his time working on that game knowledge/concepts instead speaking in MIT
It's not like Brown was a slouch in the off-season...
Excuse me, do you personally know Brown outside of the Celtic forums? So how can you make such a outlandish statement? He trained with Hardaway, and McGrady, and played pick up basketball overseas... Once Brown improves his ball handling, we'll see a noticeable difference... And it's the first game lol.
I know you are a Brown fan boy but it's pretty obvious his lack of BBall IQ is holding him back
Its not obvious at all. Where is he lacking bbiq wise? Hes in the right spot defensively a majority of the time, he is not a high turnover guy, his shot selections is exactly what you want from a modern wing. As far as I can tell he gets the low bbiq label because hes not a good passer, thats as much about a lack of skill as it is any deficiency in IQ. I expect he will improve in time as he has with his defense, ball handling and shooting. Even against Phili we saw him make a couple kick out passes off drives he didnt last season.
In shirt the low bbiq thing is massively overated, he needs to improve his on ball skill but given his age and improvement so far he will. Question is by how much