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Title: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: CelticsElite on November 24, 2017, 05:38:53 PM
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Link to article; http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21516879/nba-kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-new-king-clutch
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 24, 2017, 05:40:54 PM
That picture is either really blurry, or the forum is having trouble loading for me.

Who’s to say, really?
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: CelticsElite on November 24, 2017, 05:41:57 PM
That picture is either really blurry, or the forum is having trouble loading for me.

Who’s to say, really?
sorry

Fixed it
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 24, 2017, 05:46:23 PM
That picture is either really blurry, or the forum is having trouble loading for me.

Who’s to say, really?
sorry

Fixed it

Thanks! Isaiah did this for an entire season, Irving for 1/5 of a season. So lots can change. That said, Irving definitely has another level he’s able to tap into late in games which is fun to watch.

Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: CelticsElite on November 24, 2017, 05:48:39 PM
That picture is either really blurry, or the forum is having trouble loading for me.

Who’s to say, really?
sorry

Fixed it

Thanks! Isaiah did this for an entire season, Irving for 1/5 of a season. So lots can change. That said, Irving definitely has another level he’s able to tap into late in games which is fun to watch.
i thought this too but Kyrie has been clutch since he’s been a rookie. Remember those big shots in the finals? Fun player indeed
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Phantom255x on November 24, 2017, 07:32:25 PM
This is honestly being disrespectful to IT after all he did for this team and after that insane season he had for us last year. (And I know I'm going to trigger some folks on here for saying that)

Lets see Irving for an entire season here in Boston first before saying things like this.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: CelticsQuestFor18 on November 25, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
This is honestly being disrespectful to IT after all he did for this team and after that insane season he had for us last year. (And I know I'm going to trigger some folks on here for saying that)

Lets see Irving for an entire season here in Boston first before saying things like this.

Yeah, it's disrespectful.

And Isaiah responds!

https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/934228771565076485

Quote
Isaiah Thomas‏
Verified account
@isaiahthomas

Hahahaha I’m happy Kyrie playing well & they doing good. Don’t disrespect with the Isaiah who tho.. You knows [dang] well who I am and what I’ve done!
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: CelticsElite on November 25, 2017, 04:24:12 PM
Forsberg isn’t being disrespectful. Isaiah who is sort of a tongue in cheek hyperbole to exaggerate the fact that Kyrie is producing a little better than IT who himself was also clutch. He didn’t literally mean “Isaiah who” the exacerbation is lost in translation
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: chilidawg on November 25, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
This is honestly being disrespectful to IT after all he did for this team and after that insane season he had for us last year. (And I know I'm going to trigger some folks on here for saying that)

Lets see Irving for an entire season here in Boston first before saying things like this.

How is it disrespectful to post numbers which show them both incredibly good in crunch time?
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Phantom255x on November 25, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
This is honestly being disrespectful to IT after all he did for this team and after that insane season he had for us last year. (And I know I'm going to trigger some folks on here for saying that)

Lets see Irving for an entire season here in Boston first before saying things like this.

How is it disrespectful to post numbers which show them both incredibly good in crunch time?

Exactly. So why say "Isaiah who"

Makes it sound like he's just kicking IT to the curb in favor of Kyrie despite all Isaiah did for us. And I love Forsberg by the way, but still...
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 25, 2017, 05:05:45 PM
This is honestly being disrespectful to IT after all he did for this team and after that insane season he had for us last year. (And I know I'm going to trigger some folks on here for saying that)

Lets see Irving for an entire season here in Boston first before saying things like this.

How is it disrespectful to post numbers which show them both incredibly good in crunch time?

Exactly. So why say "Isaiah who"

Makes it sound like he's just kicking IT to the curb in favor of Kyrie despite all Isaiah did for us. And I love Forsberg by the way, but still...
Feel like thats being awfully sensitive.

Also, in all likelihood, Forsberg didnt write the title. Writers usually dont.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 25, 2017, 05:07:00 PM
This is honestly being disrespectful to IT after all he did for this team and after that insane season he had for us last year. (And I know I'm going to trigger some folks on here for saying that)

Lets see Irving for an entire season here in Boston first before saying things like this.

Yeah, it's disrespectful.

And Isaiah responds!

https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/934228771565076485

Quote
Isaiah Thomas‏
Verified account
@isaiahthomas

Hahahaha I’m happy Kyrie playing well & they doing good. Don’t disrespect with the Isaiah who tho.. You knows [dang] well who I am and what I’ve done!
I love Isaiah, but he loves finding ways to add to the chip on his shoulder. Just because he perceives something as a slight doesnt mean its actually bad.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 25, 2017, 05:09:01 PM
IT gets a ton of respect.  He's the best offensive player in NBA history under 6' (unless Iverson was really under 6'), he's earned a great reputation as a player and teammate, and he'll have earned himself a great payday after this season.  He has a legit shot (probably better than Kyrie) at an NBA championship this season and there was a great chance that he would not have returned to Boston after this season as Boston probably would not have paid the max for him.  IT was complicit in his Boson departure.  He clearly a promoted himself as the "King in the 4th" (the look at the watch in the 4th gave him notoriety while his consistent performance cemented it) and he was crystal clear that he want someone to "back up the Brinks Truck".  If IT was planning to take a hometown discount, he sure wasn't making it appear that way.   

IT has been lauded by the C's ownership, management, former teammates and fans for his efforts.  BUT... he is not Kyrie Irving, just as KI is not Lebron James.  Forsberg is saying "Isaiah Who?" just indicates the truth -- that after 20 games, the C's do not miss Isaiah Thomas on the court.  This doesn't mean he wasn't loved and doesn't mean he wasn't highly respected for his accomplishments here. 

And as a result of those accomplishments someone will indeed back up the Brinks Truck.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 25, 2017, 05:12:50 PM
IT gets a ton of respect.  He's the best offensive player in NBA history under 6' (unless Iverson was really under 6'), he's earned a great reputation as a player and teammate, and he'll have earned himself a great payday after this season.  He has a legit shot (probably better than Kyrie) at an NBA championship this season and there was a great chance that he would not have returned to Boston after this season as Boston probably would not have paid the max for him.  IT was complicit in his Boson departure.  He clearly a promoted himself as the "King in the 4th" (the look at the watch in the 4th gave him notoriety while his consistent performance cemented it) and he was crystal clear that he want someone to "back up the Brinks Truck".  If IT was planning to take a hometown discount, he sure wasn't making it appear that way.   

IT has been lauded by the C's ownership, management, former teammates and fans for his efforts.  BUT... he is not Kyrie Irving, just as KI is not Lebron James.  Forsberg is saying "Isaiah Who?" just indicates the truth -- that after 20 games, the C's do not miss Isaiah Thomas on the court.  This doesn't mean he wasn't loved and doesn't mean he wasn't highly respected for his accomplishments here. 

And as a result of those accomplishments someone will indeed back up the Brinks Truck.
Again, Forsberg probably never wrote those words.

Edit: From forsberg himself
https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/934232081269448704
Quote
👀

(I don’t write headlines but i’ll take the grief. No Celtics fan is going to forget what IT did any time soon)
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: wayupnorth on November 25, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
This is honestly being disrespectful to IT after all he did for this team and after that insane season he had for us last year. (And I know I'm going to trigger some folks on here for saying that)

Lets see Irving for an entire season here in Boston first before saying things like this.

I agree. Regardless of whether I feel Kyrie is better or not, IT deserves nothing but credit for what he did here. No reason to downplay it.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 25, 2017, 05:51:02 PM
Yeah I'm not ready to close the book on IT's time here in BOS.

Loving Kyrie Irving, but we need to get past CLE and LeBron James before I even begin to close the book on IT's time here.

Love ALL of Forsberg's work but not ready to forget IT.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: RJ87 on November 25, 2017, 05:57:08 PM
IT gets a ton of respect.  He's the best offensive player in NBA history under 6' (unless Iverson was really under 6'), he's earned a great reputation as a player and teammate, and he'll have earned himself a great payday after this season.  He has a legit shot (probably better than Kyrie) at an NBA championship this season and there was a great chance that he would not have returned to Boston after this season as Boston probably would not have paid the max for him.  IT was complicit in his Boson departure.  He clearly a promoted himself as the "King in the 4th" (the look at the watch in the 4th gave him notoriety while his consistent performance cemented it) and he was crystal clear that he want someone to "back up the Brinks Truck".  If IT was planning to take a hometown discount, he sure wasn't making it appear that way.   

IT has been lauded by the C's ownership, management, former teammates and fans for his efforts.  BUT... he is not Kyrie Irving, just as KI is not Lebron James.  Forsberg is saying "Isaiah Who?" just indicates the truth -- that after 20 games, the C's do not miss Isaiah Thomas on the court.  This doesn't mean he wasn't loved and doesn't mean he wasn't highly respected for his accomplishments here. 

And as a result of those accomplishments someone will indeed back up the Brinks Truck.
Again, Forsberg probably never wrote those words.

Edit: From forsberg himself
https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/934232081269448704
Quote
👀

(I don’t write headlines but i’ll take the grief. No Celtics fan is going to forget what IT did any time soon)

It's widely known in journalism that writers don't choose headlines, editors do.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: csfansince60s on November 25, 2017, 05:59:06 PM
The current players in this franchise stand on the shoulders of giants.

IT, irrespective of his height, was one of those giants.

Thank you, IT.

But for you, this team would not be what it is today.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Csfan1984 on November 25, 2017, 06:38:21 PM
I dont know about the "IT who" comment. IT is like early Pierce, flawed but full of great moments, IT gave his all. Irving so far is out playing what IT did but IT changed the attitude of we are turning the corner. No need to suggest IT is forgettable.
Title: Re: Forsberg: Isaiah who? Irving is Boston’s new king of Clutch
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 25, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
IT gets a ton of respect.  He's the best offensive player in NBA history under 6' (unless Iverson was really under 6'), he's earned a great reputation as a player and teammate, and he'll have earned himself a great payday after this season.  He has a legit shot (probably better than Kyrie) at an NBA championship this season and there was a great chance that he would not have returned to Boston after this season as Boston probably would not have paid the max for him.  IT was complicit in his Boson departure.  He clearly a promoted himself as the "King in the 4th" (the look at the watch in the 4th gave him notoriety while his consistent performance cemented it) and he was crystal clear that he want someone to "back up the Brinks Truck".  If IT was planning to take a hometown discount, he sure wasn't making it appear that way.   

IT has been lauded by the C's ownership, management, former teammates and fans for his efforts.  BUT... he is not Kyrie Irving, just as KI is not Lebron James.  Forsberg is saying "Isaiah Who?" just indicates the truth -- that after 20 games, the C's do not miss Isaiah Thomas on the court.  This doesn't mean he wasn't loved and doesn't mean he wasn't highly respected for his accomplishments here. 

And as a result of those accomplishments someone will indeed back up the Brinks Truck.
Again, Forsberg probably never wrote those words.

Edit: From forsberg himself
https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/934232081269448704
Quote
👀

(I don’t write headlines but i’ll take the grief. No Celtics fan is going to forget what IT did any time soon)

It's widely known in journalism that writers don't choose headlines, editors do.

Definitely is unnecessarily snarky to headline the article "Isaiah Who?" but I do think it's true that the transition to Irving (including in the 4th) has been smooth enough for fans to be looking enthusiastically ahead with Kyrie rather than mourning the departure of IT.