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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Hawkeye199 on May 22, 2018, 05:10:07 PM
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So, by the title, I assume you all can figure out I want to trade Rozier. Terry Rozier is a good player who has the potential of being an average to above average starting point guard in this league. Even if you disagree with my assessment of his potential surely we can agree that he will need minutes and shots to mature. For example, look at Jaylen Brown, He was barely given minutes in his rookie year and did not mature much in his game. It was only through increasing minutes and ample opportunities to prove himself that he developed. Terry Rozier was able to prove himself through the opportunities given to him by Kyrie's injuries. Terry Rozier has been a streaky shooter this year. I think he will continue to be a streaky shooter for the next couple of years as he matures. Next year, Kyrie is walking through those doors. Kyrie is a proven All-star and a top 15-20 player in this league. He will be our starting point guard. If your thinking so what Rozier can lead the bench in scoring and get his shots and development that way, your wrong. The difference between this year and next year is Gordon Hayward. Gordon Hayward is a proven All-star who needs his shots. Hayward will be playing thirty minutes next year. The Celtics offense this year had a problem with scoring when Kyrie went to the bench. I imagine that Stevens will stagnate Kyrie and Haywards minutes to try and make up for that. Also to give Hayward the number of shots he should be getting in a game. Then Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum will need their shots as well. They are amazing prospects who in my opinion will both be All-stars. They are higher in the pecking order. They will also help to score and probably be stagnated as well.
In a recent Bill Simmons podcast, Simmons said to Zach Lowe that he expects Rozier to get like 12 minutes next year if everyone comes back healthy. That is not nearly enough minutes to continue his development and increase his value. You could argue that his replacement could not produce as well as he could for 12 minutes but those minutes could go to the starters or be developing someone else. It is not worth keeping Rozier for 12 minutes for a 1-year contending run. one year because he becomes a RFA and it will be hard to resign him.
If Roziers value is the highest it will with the Celtics right now and his impact will be minimal if he stays next year. The clear choice is to trade him.
2019 draft is not projected to be as good as this year's 2018 draft. I suggest using roizer to trade up into this draft. Simmions suggested the Memphis pick and Rozier for Orlando's number 6. I don't think we should do that trade but I do believe a trade must be made.
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There are a lot of things here that just don't make much sense. I agree with your assessment of Rozier (I've always thought he would top out as a Leandro Barbosa-level guy off the bench, but never actually win a 6MOY award, but he looks to be a bit above that level at this point), but that's about where you lose me.
Even if you disagree with my assessment of his potential surely we can agree that he will need minutes and shots to mature.
I don't entirely agree with that (practice time is severely underrated), but that's beside the point: Why are we worried how much more he matures at this point? He's a free agent after next season, and we likely can't afford him anyway, so who cares? He's already good enough to help us win a chip. It's probably is his best interest to be traded to help his stock in free agency, but that doesn't mean it's in our best interest.
For example, look at Jaylen Brown, He was barely given minutes in his rookie year and did not mature much in his game. It was only through increasing minutes and ample opportunities to prove himself that he developed.
No way. Jaylen Brown improved a ton his rookie year, and beyond that, he made huge strides last summer despite playing 0 minutes of meaningful basketball in that time. He's made huge strides this season as well, but lets not act like he didn't improve before Hayward went down.
Terry Rozier was able to prove himself through the opportunities given to him by Kyrie's injuries. Terry Rozier has been a streaky shooter this year. I think he will continue to be a streaky shooter for the next couple of years as he matures. Next year, Kyrie is walking through those doors. Kyrie is a proven All-star and a top 15-20 player in this league. He will be our starting point guard. If your thinking so what Rozier can lead the bench in scoring and get his shots and development that way, your wrong. The difference between this year and next year is Gordon Hayward. Gordon Hayward is a proven All-star who needs his shots. Hayward will be playing thirty minutes next year. The Celtics offense this year had a problem with scoring when Kyrie went to the bench. I imagine that Stevens will stagnate Kyrie and Haywards minutes to try and make up for that. Also to give Hayward the number of shots he should be getting in a game. Then Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum will need their shots as well. They are amazing prospects who in my opinion will both be All-stars. They are higher in the pecking order. They will also help to score and probably be stagnated as well.
Our offense works by moving the ball and generating open looks. Nobody is going to be force-fed shots. Everyone will be giving up shots to make room for Hayward, not just Rozier. But this ties back to my point above: if we aren't keeping Rozier long term, why should Danny care how much he matures/develops next year?
In a recent Bill Simmons podcast, Simmons said to Zach Lowe that he expects Rozier to get like 12 minutes next year if everyone comes back healthy.
This is a major exaggeration on Bill's part. Even if you ignore any minute reductions for Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
Unless we add another guard, the 96 minutes a guard will be played by some combo of Irving, Brown, Smart, and Rozier. Irving isn't likely to play more than 32 (he led the team with 32.2 mpg this year), and Brown will play some minutes at SF as well as SG (figure he plays 32 mpg total, with a 50/50 split), so about 16 mpg there. That leaves 48 minutes for Rozier/Smart/end of bench guys. I think it'll be a pretty even split, but even the biggest Smart lover/Rozier hater will have a hard time thinking that Smart averages 36 mpg.
And that's not mentioning what happens if anyone on the team gets injured (which would shift minutes toward playing smaller, and free up more time for Rozier/Smart/Semi/Morris/Theis)
That is not nearly enough minutes to continue his development and increase his value. You could argue that his replacement could not produce as well as he could for 12 minutes but those minutes could go to the starters or be developing someone else. It is not worth keeping Rozier for 12 minutes for a 1-year contending run. one year because he becomes a RFA and it will be hard to resign him.
Not to keep beating the same drum, but why are we worried about how much he develops next year? There's pretty much no way his replacement does as well as him. Those minutes will not go to the starters, since they'll already be getting enough minutes (and Brad doesn't like playing guys big minutes). As for using them to develop someone else: who? Abdel Nader? Jabari Bird? A late first rounder from this year? We will have a team capable of competing for a championship next year, you don't weaken a team with that goal just to develop a late first rounder or second rounder.
If Roziers value is the highest it will with the Celtics right now and his impact will be minimal if he stays next year. The clear choice is to trade him.
If his impact were minimal next year, sure. But that won't be the case, especially with his ability to score off the bench.
2019 draft is not projected to be as good as this year's 2018 draft. I suggest using roizer to trade up into this draft. Simmions suggested the Memphis pick and Rozier for Orlando's number 6. I don't think we should do that trade but I do believe a trade must be made.
There's no way Orlando would go for that. Make it the Kings' pick and they might. If they throw in a veteran guard to give us 80% of what Rozier does (either from them, or in a three-way trade, possibly involving Morris), I'd probably bite (depending on who's still available at #6).
But trading Rozier for poor value just to avoid "losing him for nothing" (which is disingenuous, since the minutes he gives on a championship run will be extremely valuable) would be a bad decision if we want to try and win it all next year.
Edit: Dang smilies changing "8 )" (without the space) to 8)
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I've posted several times that Rozier is the one player that I would be slightly concerned about with everyone else returning. Not Tatum, not Brown (like others seem to be).
That said, I'd hardly consider Ainge an idiot if he didn't trade him. First, I consider Rozier a below average starter if it came to that, so not really sure how much value he really has or can bring back. It's not as much as some people might think.
So what exactly is Ainge risking if he doesn't trade Rozier? Not a lot really. Perhaps some discontent over playing time. Perhaps a small return on a potential trade. But at the end of the day, even if Rozier walked away for nothing in a year and a half, not big whoop.
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If we could trade the Memphis pick and Rozier for the #6 pick, Ainge should do it before the Magic GM comes to his senses.
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There are a lot of things here that just don't make much sense. I agree with your assessment of Rozier (I've always thought he would top out as a Leandro Barbosa-level guy off the bench, but never actually win a 6MOY award, but he looks to be a bit above that level at this point), but that's about where you lose me.
Even if you disagree with my assessment of his potential surely we can agree that he will need minutes and shots to mature.
I don't entirely agree with that (practice time is severely underrated), but that's beside the point: Why are we worried how much more he matures at this point? He's a free agent after next season, and we likely can't afford him anyway, so who cares? He's already good enough to help us win a chip. It's probably is his best interest to be traded to help his stock in free agency, but that doesn't mean it's in our best interest.
For example, look at Jaylen Brown, He was barely given minutes in his rookie year and did not mature much in his game. It was only through increasing minutes and ample opportunities to prove himself that he developed.
No way. Jaylen Brown improved a ton his rookie year, and beyond that, he made huge strides last summer despite playing 0 minutes of meaningful basketball in that time. He's made huge strides this season as well, but lets not act like he didn't improve before Hayward went down.
Terry Rozier was able to prove himself through the opportunities given to him by Kyrie's injuries. Terry Rozier has been a streaky shooter this year. I think he will continue to be a streaky shooter for the next couple of years as he matures. Next year, Kyrie is walking through those doors. Kyrie is a proven All-star and a top 15-20 player in this league. He will be our starting point guard. If your thinking so what Rozier can lead the bench in scoring and get his shots and development that way, your wrong. The difference between this year and next year is Gordon Hayward. Gordon Hayward is a proven All-star who needs his shots. Hayward will be playing thirty minutes next year. The Celtics offense this year had a problem with scoring when Kyrie went to the bench. I imagine that Stevens will stagnate Kyrie and Haywards minutes to try and make up for that. Also to give Hayward the number of shots he should be getting in a game. Then Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum will need their shots as well. They are amazing prospects who in my opinion will both be All-stars. They are higher in the pecking order. They will also help to score and probably be stagnated as well.
Our offense works by moving the ball and generating open looks. Nobody is going to be force-fed shots. Everyone will be giving up shots to make room for Hayward, not just Rozier. But this ties back to my point above: if we aren't keeping Rozier long term, why should Danny care how much he matures/develops next year?
In a recent Bill Simmons podcast, Simmons said to Zach Lowe that he expects Rozier to get like 12 minutes next year if everyone comes back healthy.
This is a major exaggeration on Bill's part. Even if you ignore any minute reductions for Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
Unless we add another guard, the 96 minutes a guard will be played by some combo of Irving, Brown, Smart, and Rozier. Irving isn't likely to play more than 32 (he led the team with 32.2 mpg this year), and Brown will play some minutes at SF as well as SG (figure he plays 32 mpg total, with a 50/50 split), so about 16 mpg there. That leaves 48 minutes for Rozier/Smart/end of bench guys. I think it'll be a pretty even split, but even the biggest Smart lover/Rozier hater will have a hard time thinking that Smart averages 36 mpg.
And that's not mentioning what happens if anyone on the team gets injured (which would shift minutes toward playing smaller, and free up more time for Rozier/Smart/Semi/Morris/Theis)
That is not nearly enough minutes to continue his development and increase his value. You could argue that his replacement could not produce as well as he could for 12 minutes but those minutes could go to the starters or be developing someone else. It is not worth keeping Rozier for 12 minutes for a 1-year contending run. one year because he becomes a RFA and it will be hard to resign him.
Not to keep beating the same drum, but why are we worried about how much he develops next year? There's pretty much no way his replacement does as well as him. Those minutes will not go to the starters, since they'll already be getting enough minutes (and Brad doesn't like playing guys big minutes). As for using them to develop someone else: who? Abdel Nader? Jabari Bird? A late first rounder from this year? We will have a team capable of competing for a championship next year, you don't weaken a team with that goal just to develop a late first rounder or second rounder.
If Roziers value is the highest it will with the Celtics right now and his impact will be minimal if he stays next year. The clear choice is to trade him.
If his impact were minimal next year, sure. But that won't be the case, especially with his ability to score off the bench.
2019 draft is not projected to be as good as this year's 2018 draft. I suggest using roizer to trade up into this draft. Simmions suggested the Memphis pick and Rozier for Orlando's number 6. I don't think we should do that trade but I do believe a trade must be made.
There's no way Orlando would go for that. Make it the Kings' pick and they might. If they throw in a veteran guard to give us 80% of what Rozier does (either from them, or in a three-way trade, possibly involving Morris), I'd probably bite (depending on who's still available at #6).
But trading Rozier for poor value just to avoid "losing him for nothing" (which is disingenuous, since the minutes he gives on a championship run will be extremely valuable) would be a bad decision if we want to try and win it all next year.
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I was listening to the Bill Simmons pod with Zach Lowe and they suggested the Memphis pick and Rozier for the 6. They seemed to think of it as fair. I agree. Rozier and a likely 10-12 pick next year seen fair value for 6.
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How about Rozier for Isaac and a few second rounders? Cost controlled with HUGE upside.
Smitty77
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How about Rozier for Isaac and a few second rounders? Cost controlled with HUGE upside.
Smitty77
I really like Isaac, i think Orl is gonna want alot more than that for Isaac, even if he was hurt most of last year.
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How about Rozier for Isaac and a few second rounders? Cost controlled with HUGE upside.
Smitty77
I like it for us. Not sure whether the Magic would do it though.
Personally speaking, I'd do the same deal for Ntilikina as well.
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In another thread I made this recommendation. For me, it would be contingent on Bamba being available. I think if so, then you trade Rozier, Sacramento, next years #1 if necessary, for Bamba and a second rounder. You take a replacement PG with #27 and then you have a rim protector, someone who can guard Embiid and Yannis, move Horford to his natural position at the four, and if Bamba can develop a three point shot, you are set. I say now is the time to swing for the fences; this team is good enough next year to get to the finals, but not good enough to beat Golden State. They need a young big to finish the job. Banging the table for Bamba....
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I'd be willing to listen to offers for him in the offseason...even reach out to try to move up in the draft using him as one of the pieces of an offer.
Failing that, him being on the Celtics allows Kyrie to come back without rushing him. What a great problem to have when you have two guards as talented as they are, wouldn't you say?
Worst case scenario...and depending on where we are in the standings, perhaps deal him before the trade deadline.
But Rozier being on the Celtics roster this fall would not be an idiotic thing. I'll trust that Ainge will make the best choice, for us, and usually for the players involved.
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In another thread I made this recommendation. For me, it would be contingent on Bamba being available. I think if so, then you trade Rozier, Sacramento, next years #1 if necessary, for Bamba and a second rounder. You take a replacement PG with #27 and then you have a rim protector, someone who can guard Embiid and Yannis, move Horford to his natural position at the four, and if Bamba can develop a three point shot, you are set. I say now is the time to swing for the fences; this team is good enough next year to get to the finals, but not good enough to beat Golden State. They need a young big to finish the job. Banging the table for Bamba....
Yeah, I don't think a rookie big man who's raw is going to put us over the top. Hell, he could be a complete flop for all we know.
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Good post, BitterJim. One thing I wonder about is if we can keep Baynes. He took a cut to come here last year. What will he want next year? He’s our main Embiid defender. We might lose him.
The one thing that would make me curious about trading TR is if Danny and Brad liked a big who’s available for TR plus the Memphis pick, maybe Carter or Jackson, as our replacement for Al after 2 years of development. But I’m happy to roll with TR. Basically, in Danny I trust.
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Nothing is a must. I think you entertain trade opportunities for Rozier but it has to be the right deal. Id say the same about Morris. We have seen a lot of guys come through here that DA didn't move when he should have. In part because he didn't get the right offer.
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Marcus Smart was an angel last night?
He messed up the momentum on three important occassions
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Marcus Smart was an angel last night?
He messed up the momentum on three important occassions
Smart was terrible last night. So was Rozier though, lol. Actually, almost everyone was
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If you deal TR and that’s a big if, you don’t move him for a pick. For the love of sweet geezus this Team is 2 games away from a championship series minus 2 star players.
The hot trade ticket is KATowns. Now that is a deal worth exploring
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Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
So are we trading Marcus Morris, or is he just not getting any minutes at all once Hayward comes back? Or did you forget about him?
balancing minutes next year is going to be more difficult for Brad.
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Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
So are we trading Marcus Morris, or is he just not getting any minutes at all once Hayward comes back? Or did you forget about him?
Yeah, Morris is going to get at least 20 minutes per game. And that's not going to come from Hayward, Brown, or Tatum. It's going to come from the shooting guard position with Brown and Hayward playing more time there. Smart's a better court mate with Irving than Rozier so I think it's going to be Rozier who loses out on minutes. Plus, come the playoffs, the starters will play more further limiting Rozier's minutes. Rozier won't be too happy about that. I agree with the OP that it makes sense to trade him.
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Not sure what he'll do, but I am certain Danny is not, nor will he suddenly turn into, an idiot.
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see Danny go all in and package Rozier with a couple solid draft picks to get a big in this years draft. The team is pretty much complete, except for a high ceiling big, which is available in next month’s draft.
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Marcus Smart was an angel last night?
He messed up the momentum on three important occassions
Smart was terrible last night. So was Rozier though, lol. Actually, almost everyone was
Smart was worse. Chucking up 3s like that. Dive pass to nobody
Under the basket pass right to Lebum
Just a wild player for better or for the worse
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Marcus Smart was an angel last night?
He messed up the momentum on three important occassions
Smart was terrible last night. So was Rozier though, lol. Actually, almost everyone was
Rozier lead the team in +/- with a +3. He had 16 pts, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, and 3 stls. Shot 40% from field and 33% from 3. Far from awful.. he actually played well. That he was bullied in the post by LBJ is on Brad, not him. Doesn't make him any less of a solid defender. Just imagine how much worse it couldve been.
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It's not just a question of whether Smart or Rozier is the better player. It is also a question of how much each will command in the free agent market, how much Danny is willing to allocate to the back up point guard slot, what Rozier might bring back in a trade, how their respective skills fit into the team structure. I tend to think trading Rozier is something that makes sense to explore if they can get enough value. I think Smart's impact would be harder to replace, he brings more of a change of pace to Kyrie than Terry. It would be great to keep both, but I'm not sure it's financially feasible. If Danny wants to keep Smart, and doesn't think he will be able to resign Rozier, then it makes sense to explore a trade.
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If we move rozier in a package we'd need to get Bamba our Bagley but I'd also like to somehow walk away with Jaylan Brunson too.
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I agree with the sentiment that if we trade Rozier, getting a high pick back isn’t worth the risk of keeping him for a season to contend fot a title next year......unless Danny has already targeted the next Tatum of 2018 draft night.
I think Rozier, SAC pick, and Boston 2018 1st can get us in the top 3-5 range....my question, is it worth the risk? Why not just run it back with T-Roz and if he walks, we have the SAC pick anyway to replace his production the following summer?
If Danny wants to make a talent consolidating trade, a proven young big like Towns is absolutely ideal.
If we can offer another KG-type pupu platter to Minny for KAT, I think it’s a great “all-in” with stacking every tradeable/expendable asset for an all-star.
T-Roz, Morris, SAC pick, Memphis pick for Towns. If we have to throw in a third 1st rounder, so be it.
No one is stopping a top 6 of Irving/Brown/Hayward/Horford/Towns/Tatum.....plus re-signing Smart, it just wouldn’t even be fair.
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I wonder how much of Roziers production Jabari bird can replace, if he’s ready to do so
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Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
So are we trading Marcus Morris, or is he just not getting any minutes at all once Hayward comes back? Or did you forget about him?
Yeah, Morris is going to get at least 20 minutes per game. And that's not going to come from Hayward, Brown, or Tatum. It's going to come from the shooting guard position with Brown and Hayward playing more time there. Smart's a better court mate with Irving than Rozier so I think it's going to be Rozier who loses out on minutes. Plus, come the playoffs, the starters will play more further limiting Rozier's minutes. Rozier won't be too happy about that. I agree with the OP that it makes sense to trade him.
Ya actually putting numbers to it makes it even clearer. Its just gonna be hard to get Rozier minutes. Even not including Morris 24 minutes for Rozier and Smart is less than the typical 30+ they were getting down the stretch this yesr. How happy is a guy who says he wants to start going to be getting 20 minutes a night in a contract year? And if thats all you are gonna play him why not trade him for an asset especially because when playoffs come. He likely loses even more minutes.
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Let’s be honest, Any production that rozier makes will be more than made up by the existence of Kyrie and Hayward... and theis will also demand minutes. Jabari bird should be a formidable 3rd stringer and possibly rotation player
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I agree with the sentiment that if we trade Rozier, getting a high pick back isn’t worth the risk of keeping him for a season to contend fot a title next year......unless Danny has already targeted the next Tatum of 2018 draft night.
I think Rozier, SAC pick, and Boston 2018 1st can get us in the top 3-5 range....my question, is it worth the risk? Why not just run it back with T-Roz and if he walks, we have the SAC pick anyway to replace his production the following summer?
If Danny wants to make a talent consolidating trade, a proven young big like Towns is absolutely ideal.
If we can offer another KG-type pupu platter to Minny for KAT, I think it’s a great “all-in” with stacking every tradeable/expendable asset for an all-star.
T-Roz, Morris, SAC pick, Memphis pick for Towns. If we have to throw in a third 1st rounder, so be it.
No one is stopping a top 6 of Irving/Brown/Hayward/Horford/Towns/Tatum.....plus re-signing Smart, it just wouldn’t even be fair.
It would be hilarious if we snagged another star big man from them. First KG, then we come within inches of getting Kevin Love, and now rumours about Towns. They must hate Ainge over there
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I agree with the sentiment that if we trade Rozier, getting a high pick back isn’t worth the risk of keeping him for a season to contend fot a title next year......unless Danny has already targeted the next Tatum of 2018 draft night.
I think Rozier, SAC pick, and Boston 2018 1st can get us in the top 3-5 range....my question, is it worth the risk? Why not just run it back with T-Roz and if he walks, we have the SAC pick anyway to replace his production the following summer?
If Danny wants to make a talent consolidating trade, a proven young big like Towns is absolutely ideal.
If we can offer another KG-type pupu platter to Minny for KAT, I think it’s a great “all-in” with stacking every tradeable/expendable asset for an all-star.
T-Roz, Morris, SAC pick, Memphis pick for Towns. If we have to throw in a third 1st rounder, so be it.
No one is stopping a top 6 of Irving/Brown/Hayward/Horford/Towns/Tatum.....plus re-signing Smart, it just wouldn’t even be fair.
lol at the trade package for KAT
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Truly an agitating and arrogant title.
Not recognizing your own teams managing.
The best league management of this millennia.
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Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
So are we trading Marcus Morris, or is he just not getting any minutes at all once Hayward comes back? Or did you forget about him?
balancing minutes next year is going to be more difficult for Brad.
I think Morris gets traded. I see it coming down to needing to pick between letting Smart go, letting Baynes go, paying the luxury tax (which may also mean we can't re-sign Baynes if he wants the full MLE), and trading Morris. Since I think Morris adds less to the team when everyone is healthy, and in the event of an injury there are more people at his position.
If you go with the lineup I suggested, an injury to any Smart or Irving is easy to make up for (increase Smart and Rozier's minutes, play Brown at the 2 more, play Theis more, etc.). If you keep Morris and trade Rozier, you're stuck either playing the non-injured PG 48 mpg or having a Larkin/first round rookie/Rozier replacement playing significant minutes at PG. As for an injury to a wing, with no Morris on the roster you just play Jayson and Jaylen more at the 3, then give Theis, Smart, and Rozier more minutes.
I like the toughness Morris brings to the team this year, but with the jumps Jaylen and Jayson have made this season I just don't see his place on the team
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Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
So are we trading Marcus Morris, or is he just not getting any minutes at all once Hayward comes back? Or did you forget about him?
balancing minutes next year is going to be more difficult for Brad.
I think Morris gets traded. I see it coming down to needing to pick between letting Smart go, letting Baynes go, paying the luxury tax (which may also mean we can't re-sign Baynes if he wants the full MLE), and trading Morris. Since I think Morris adds less to the team when everyone is healthy, and in the event of an injury there are more people at his position.
If you go with the lineup I suggested, an injury to any Smart or Irving is easy to make up for (increase Smart and Rozier's minutes, play Brown at the 2 more, play Theis more, etc.). If you keep Morris and trade Rozier, you're stuck either playing the non-injured PG 48 mpg or having a Larkin/first round rookie/Rozier replacement playing significant minutes at PG. As for an injury to a wing, with no Morris on the roster you just play Jayson and Jaylen more at the 3, then give Theis, Smart, and Rozier more minutes.
I like the toughness Morris brings to the team this year, but with the jumps Jaylen and Jayson have made this season I just don't see his place on the team
Curious as to what you think we can get for Morris? He’s on a bargain contract, and unless I’m missing something there’s nothing new on that roster that Morris was exchanged for.
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I didn't mean to suggest that a rookie center would allow the Celts to win it all next year. Having said that, they are clearly missing a rim protector/rebounder. As previously mentioned, they defend the perimeter superbly and could be even more aggressive at the three point line if they had someone to clean up mistakes. Additionally, they'll need to be able to deal with Embiid and Yannis going forward. If Bamba can learn to shoot threes, he checks the boxes that the Celts need going forward. It appears unlikely that they'll get another shot at a young big like him soon (next years draft doesn't have a lot of bigs). I'd go Rozier, Sacramento and maybe the Clippers pick for Bamba and a second rounder (cost controlled potential depth). If Bamba pans out, this team is set for some years to come.
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I would absolutely love the idea of trading Rozier.
1. I think he would net us good value
2. Were stacked at his position
3. He’ll be able to get more playing time elsewhere and really have a chance to flourish
I don’t know who we can get. Outside of the big names (Kawhi, KAT, AD), I don’t know who’s available. But even if we end up with an AB-for-Morris type of trade (both solid players swapping, no big splash), I’d be fine with that. Thon Maker maybe? Idk.
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I really dislike talking about trades at this particular point in the post-season, on the cusp of advancing to the NBA Finals.
That said, I would not trade Rozier in the off-season but wait until before the trade deadline, if at all. The team is one big backcourt injury away from absolutely NEEDING Rozier on this team next season. Also, the C's could lose Smart in free agency.
Beyond that, it is a guard-driven league. Terry might not like coming off the bench next year, but he plays an essential role and can probably be convinced to take that role one more season.
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This is a major exaggeration on Bill's part. Even if you ignore any minute reductions for Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
Morris?
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Really irritating title but I'll bite.
One question I have is that if Rozier is traded this offseason does a Tyreke Evans deal make sense? I remember people throwing cold water on our ability to re-sign him around the trade deadline. If we trade away Terry could we offer Tyreke a deal that can fit with a Smart extension?
I've never wavered in thinking that that aside from the injury concerns, Tyreke Evans would be a monster on this team. He'd be exactly the kind of 6th man to match us up player for player with GSW.
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Really irritating title but I'll bite.
One question I have is that if Rozier is traded this offseason does a Tyreke Evans deal make sense? I remember people throwing cold water on our ability to re-sign him around the trade deadline. If we trade away Terry could we offer Tyreke a deal that can fit with a Smart extension?
I've never wavered in thinking that that aside from the injury concerns, Tyreke Evans would be a monster on this team. He'd be exactly the kind of 6th man to match us up player for player with GSW.
I would absolutely love Tyreke on this team. He’d be so perfect for our pretty offensively challenged bench
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Really irritating title but I'll bite.
One question I have is that if Rozier is traded this offseason does a Tyreke Evans deal make sense? I remember people throwing cold water on our ability to re-sign him around the trade deadline. If we trade away Terry could we offer Tyreke a deal that can fit with a Smart extension?
I've never wavered in thinking that that aside from the injury concerns, Tyreke Evans would be a monster on this team. He'd be exactly the kind of 6th man to match us up player for player with GSW.
I would absolutely love Tyreke on this team. He’d be so perfect for our pretty offensively challenged bench
We could offer him the MLE, and hope to re-sign Baynes with the 20% increase. It would certainly give us much more flexibility to decide what to do with Smart and Rozier.
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Truly an agitating and arrogant title.
Not recognizing your own teams managing.
The best league management of this millennia.
It's hilarious that people still post "Ainge is an idiot if..." threads after he built a contender and then engineered the fastest rebuild in modern basketball history. Ainge and his team are great at their jobs.
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I wonder how much of Roziers production Jabari bird can replace, if he’s ready to do so
Zero seems about right to me. Bird might eventually become a NBA player but he's not there yet.
I mean it took Rozier 3 years to become a positive player and he's more talented than Bird.
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Really irritating title but I'll bite.
One question I have is that if Rozier is traded this offseason does a Tyreke Evans deal make sense? I remember people throwing cold water on our ability to re-sign him around the trade deadline. If we trade away Terry could we offer Tyreke a deal that can fit with a Smart extension?
I've never wavered in thinking that that aside from the injury concerns, Tyreke Evans would be a monster on this team. He'd be exactly the kind of 6th man to match us up player for player with GSW.
I would absolutely love Tyreke on this team. He’d be so perfect for our pretty offensively challenged bench
I really don't trust Tyreke to repeat his scoring efficiency of last year, so I don't want him signed to long term money. I would have been happy to get him as a rental, but no thanks on paying him for more than one year.
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The Cavs have been checking Rozier pretty effectively the last two games. Terry is not a Rondo level passer by any means, but, it will be interesting to see if he can adjust.
Rozier is under contract next year, in what way isn't he the best choice based on talent/familiarity and cost to back up Irving?
(Yes, I hope Ainge trades him for Ayton, but, I'll stick with the above.)
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Really irritating title but I'll bite.
One question I have is that if Rozier is traded this offseason does a Tyreke Evans deal make sense? I remember people throwing cold water on our ability to re-sign him around the trade deadline. If we trade away Terry could we offer Tyreke a deal that can fit with a Smart extension?
I've never wavered in thinking that that aside from the injury concerns, Tyreke Evans would be a monster on this team. He'd be exactly the kind of 6th man to match us up player for player with GSW.
I would absolutely love Tyreke on this team. He’d be so perfect for our pretty offensively challenged bench
If Hayward and Kyrie come back the offense of our bench should be a heck of a lot better. What would this year’s team have been like if Hayward was out there with them? Then factor in another year of development for Theis, Tatum, Brown, and Rozier.
Evans was a nice player last year - a huge offensive upgrade over Smart or Ojeleye. But I’m not sure 2d unit offense is going to be an issue next year, and we know we needed Semi’s defense and Smart’s toughness. If I had to target one area to improve, it would be making sure we have a solid defensive 5 to bang with the Embiids and Thompsons and Valanciunases of the world when we need that. Have to keep Baynes or (in a perfect world) upgrade.
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If Ainge feels confident that he can develop Jaren Jackson Jr into the next Bosh, or Wendell Carter Jr into the next Horford, then it's very rational to consider trading Rozier when you factor in the young players on our bench, the draft picks we can't roster, and other considerations.
Others like Bamba and I see potential, but his poor passing and 3pt shooting concerns me. Carter had 13-9 and 2+ assists and blocks a game on 41% 3pt % on low volume, he at 19 reminds me of a 20 or 21 year old Horford.
Jackson had 3+ blocks per game and 1+ assist per game in limited minutes, had 15-10 per 36 mins, and seems to do everything at 6'11" from post up to shoot 3's off the dribble to drive in from the 3 point line for a dunk. He's more raw than Carter, but could become a mini Embiid.
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Ainge needs to draft Donte DeVincenzo from Villanova or Moritz Wagner from Michigan. They'd fit into this team well.
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I agree with the sentiment that if we trade Rozier, getting a high pick back isn’t worth the risk of keeping him for a season to contend fot a title next year......unless Danny has already targeted the next Tatum of 2018 draft night.
I think Rozier, SAC pick, and Boston 2018 1st can get us in the top 3-5 range....my question, is it worth the risk? Why not just run it back with T-Roz and if he walks, we have the SAC pick anyway to replace his production the following summer?
If Danny wants to make a talent consolidating trade, a proven young big like Towns is absolutely ideal.
If we can offer another KG-type pupu platter to Minny for KAT, I think it’s a great “all-in” with stacking every tradeable/expendable asset for an all-star.
T-Roz, Morris, SAC pick, Memphis pick for Towns. If we have to throw in a third 1st rounder, so be it.
No one is stopping a top 6 of Irving/Brown/Hayward/Horford/Towns/Tatum.....plus re-signing Smart, it just wouldn’t even be fair.
Hee hee, hee hee, you said pupu.* :D
Mike
*Look, it's been that kind of day and it isn't even noon yet.
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I didn't mean to suggest that a rookie center would allow the Celts to win it all next year. Having said that, they are clearly missing a rim protector/rebounder. As previously mentioned, they defend the perimeter superbly and could be even more aggressive at the three point line if they had someone to clean up mistakes. Additionally, they'll need to be able to deal with Embiid and Yannis going forward. If Bamba can learn to shoot threes, he checks the boxes that the Celts need going forward. It appears unlikely that they'll get another shot at a young big like him soon (next years draft doesn't have a lot of bigs). I'd go Rozier, Sacramento and maybe the Clippers pick for Bamba and a second rounder (cost controlled potential depth). If Bamba pans out, this team is set for some years to come.
I don't think the C's will go for Bamba. He really hasn't shown any NBA offensive potential at all. Read up on the frustrations Utah runs into in the playoffs with how the best teams easily neutralize Gobert. He may be a bit quicker, but he shows no sign he could punish anyone for defending him with a stretch 4. Thats what these bigger centers have to be able to do, or better teams will run you off the floor.
He just doesn't fit the modern NBA. Jaren Jackson is every bit as good a shot blocker, is a better defender overall, and he can shoot and finish over smaller players. Carter is big and very long and is a strong defender too, and he'd be impossible to defend with a wing. We want one of them instead.
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Mo Bamba? No Bamba.
Look at the best teams in the league. Where is there a Bamba type playing valuable minutes? Rudy Gobert got big time exposed in the playoffs, and Deandre/Drummond aren't good enough.
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Ainge needs to draft Donte DeVincenzo from Villanova or Moritz Wagner from Michigan. They'd fit into this team well.
I feel like DeVincenzo will end up going sooner than 27, but who knows. Wagner seems to be "rising" but who knows, he could go in the first or second round.
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Mo Bamba? No Bamba.
Look at the best teams in the league. Where is there a Bamba type playing valuable minutes? Rudy Gobert got big time exposed in the playoffs, and Deandre/Drummond aren't good enough.
I think that if Gobert had faster foot speed, and flashed a 3pt shot while being a decent shooter already in the 10+ foot range, he wouldn't be as easily exposed. Bamba is also a better athlete than Gobert.
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Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
So are we trading Marcus Morris, or is he just not getting any minutes at all once Hayward comes back? Or did you forget about him?
balancing minutes next year is going to be more difficult for Brad.
I think Morris gets traded. I see it coming down to needing to pick between letting Smart go, letting Baynes go, paying the luxury tax (which may also mean we can't re-sign Baynes if he wants the full MLE), and trading Morris. Since I think Morris adds less to the team when everyone is healthy, and in the event of an injury there are more people at his position.
If you go with the lineup I suggested, an injury to any Smart or Irving is easy to make up for (increase Smart and Rozier's minutes, play Brown at the 2 more, play Theis more, etc.). If you keep Morris and trade Rozier, you're stuck either playing the non-injured PG 48 mpg or having a Larkin/first round rookie/Rozier replacement playing significant minutes at PG. As for an injury to a wing, with no Morris on the roster you just play Jayson and Jaylen more at the 3, then give Theis, Smart, and Rozier more minutes.
I like the toughness Morris brings to the team this year, but with the jumps Jaylen and Jayson have made this season I just don't see his place on the team
Curious as to what you think we can get for Morris? He’s on a bargain contract, and unless I’m missing something there’s nothing new on that roster that Morris was exchanged for.
We'd get the ability to keep Smart and Baynes while staying under the cap line. The idea would be to trade him for something like a protected first, or use him to move up a bit in the draft.
Depending on what Smart gets, it seems like we'll need to use the full MLE if we want to keep Baynes, but that would hard cap us at the tax apron, meaning that shedding salary may be necessary. Between the progress Jaylen/Jayson have made and his higher salary relative to other non-starters on the team, he makes the most sense to move.
It sucks because his salary is a great deal, but we likely won't have the money for him I'd we want to keep Smart and Baynes (which we should)
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Mo Bamba? No Bamba.
Look at the best teams in the league. Where is there a Bamba type playing valuable minutes? Rudy Gobert got big time exposed in the playoffs, and Deandre/Drummond aren't good enough.
The issue with big men being out there is when they can't defend on the perimeter and/or hurt spacing. Bigs that can switch onto guards and have to at least be respected from 3 are not a problem
I don't know if Bamba is that type of player (I haven't paid much/any attention to this draft), but Gobert, Drummond, and DeAndre Jordan are not (which is why they get exposed)
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Hayward and Kyrie coming off their injuries, you're looking at a minutes split something like this (this is very rough):
Irving (32)/Rozier (16)
Brown (16)/Smart (24)/Rozier (8 )
Hayward (24)/Brown (16)/Tatum (8 )
Tatum (24)/Hayward (8 )/Horford (16)
Horford (14)/Baynes (20)/Theis (14)
So are we trading Marcus Morris, or is he just not getting any minutes at all once Hayward comes back? Or did you forget about him?
balancing minutes next year is going to be more difficult for Brad.
I think Morris gets traded. I see it coming down to needing to pick between letting Smart go, letting Baynes go, paying the luxury tax (which may also mean we can't re-sign Baynes if he wants the full MLE), and trading Morris. Since I think Morris adds less to the team when everyone is healthy, and in the event of an injury there are more people at his position.
If you go with the lineup I suggested, an injury to any Smart or Irving is easy to make up for (increase Smart and Rozier's minutes, play Brown at the 2 more, play Theis more, etc.). If you keep Morris and trade Rozier, you're stuck either playing the non-injured PG 48 mpg or having a Larkin/first round rookie/Rozier replacement playing significant minutes at PG. As for an injury to a wing, with no Morris on the roster you just play Jayson and Jaylen more at the 3, then give Theis, Smart, and Rozier more minutes.
I like the toughness Morris brings to the team this year, but with the jumps Jaylen and Jayson have made this season I just don't see his place on the team
Curious as to what you think we can get for Morris? He’s on a bargain contract, and unless I’m missing something there’s nothing new on that roster that Morris was exchanged for.
We'd get the ability to keep Smart and Baynes while staying under the cap line. The idea would be to trade him for something like a protected first, or use him to move up a bit in the draft.
Depending on what Smart gets, it seems like we'll need to use the full MLE if we want to keep Baynes, but that would hard cap us at the tax apron, meaning that shedding salary may be necessary. Between the progress Jaylen/Jayson have made and his higher salary relative to other non-starters on the team, he makes the most sense to move.
It sucks because his salary is a great deal, but we likely won't have the money for him I'd we want to keep Smart and Baynes (which we should)
I don't think we will need the full MLE for Baynes. As good as he has been this is still a league with too many centers and not enough teams who wnat to pay a center.
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I agree with the sentiment that if we trade Rozier, getting a high pick back isn’t worth the risk of keeping him for a season to contend fot a title next year......unless Danny has already targeted the next Tatum of 2018 draft night.
I think Rozier, SAC pick, and Boston 2018 1st can get us in the top 3-5 range....my question, is it worth the risk? Why not just run it back with T-Roz and if he walks, we have the SAC pick anyway to replace his production the following summer?
If Danny wants to make a talent consolidating trade, a proven young big like Towns is absolutely ideal.
If we can offer another KG-type pupu platter to Minny for KAT, I think it’s a great “all-in” with stacking every tradeable/expendable asset for an all-star.
T-Roz, Morris, SAC pick, Memphis pick for Towns. If we have to throw in a third 1st rounder, so be it.
No one is stopping a top 6 of Irving/Brown/Hayward/Horford/Towns/Tatum.....plus re-signing Smart, it just wouldn’t even be fair.
lol at the trade package for KAT
You don’t think a starting caliber guard, a guy who becomes a 6th/7th man on that team in Morris, and two picks that are likely to fall in the favorable end of the lottery isn’t a good starting offer for Towns?
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I agree with the sentiment that if we trade Rozier, getting a high pick back isn’t worth the risk of keeping him for a season to contend fot a title next year......unless Danny has already targeted the next Tatum of 2018 draft night.
I think Rozier, SAC pick, and Boston 2018 1st can get us in the top 3-5 range....my question, is it worth the risk? Why not just run it back with T-Roz and if he walks, we have the SAC pick anyway to replace his production the following summer?
If Danny wants to make a talent consolidating trade, a proven young big like Towns is absolutely ideal.
If we can offer another KG-type pupu platter to Minny for KAT, I think it’s a great “all-in” with stacking every tradeable/expendable asset for an all-star.
T-Roz, Morris, SAC pick, Memphis pick for Towns. If we have to throw in a third 1st rounder, so be it.
No one is stopping a top 6 of Irving/Brown/Hayward/Horford/Towns/Tatum.....plus re-signing Smart, it just wouldn’t even be fair.
lol at the trade package for KAT
You don’t think a starting caliber guard, a guy who becomes a 6th/7th man on that team in Morris, and two picks that are likely to fall in the favorable end of the lottery isn’t a good starting offer for Towns?
They aren't trading KAT
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Mo Bamba? No Bamba.
Look at the best teams in the league. Where is there a Bamba type playing valuable minutes? Rudy Gobert got big time exposed in the playoffs, and Deandre/Drummond aren't good enough.
The issue with big men being out there is when they can't defend on the perimeter and/or hurt spacing. Bigs that can switch onto guards and have to at least be respected from 3 are not a problem
I don't know if Bamba is that type of player (I haven't paid much/any attention to this draft), but Gobert, Drummond, and DeAndre Jordan are not (which is why they get exposed)
Yes to all this. Jaren Jackson is the guy who interests me. Good defensive instinct and drive, capable of hitting a college 3. I can't gauge whether he has footspeed at, say the Al Horford level, but it looks like he might.
I guess that, in fairness, Joel Embiid might still be playing if he had a better supporting cast and made better decisions about shot selection. He's the rare 7'-plus player capable of defending well enough that you can't take him out of the game with a pick and roll and he can be devastating if he's allowed to roam in the paint. Thon Maker *might* be that kind of guy, too, although he's obviously much more limited on offense. I don't see Bamba as being in that league, but I'll admit I haven't watched much.
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Rozier and the C's 1st rd this year to move into the top 10 2018 draft
I don't believe C's need to include Sac's 2019 pick, maybe throw in a 2nd rounder to sweeten it
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It’s impossible to say whether it makes sense to trade Rozier now. There are multiple factors, the two biggest being:
* What’s the return?
* Does Smart come back?
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I love JJJ as well. Who doesn't? The problems is that to get him , the Celts would have to trade up into the top three picks. Ain't gonna happen. Say Doncic, Ayton at one and two. Then Jackson at #3. Atlanta, which is #3, has a point guard, and they have little incentive to trade Schroeder just to take Rozier (and probably take a relative loss in the trade as a result). Sacramento, at two, has a point guard. So to get JJJ you'd need to trade all the way to #1 and it would cost a ridiculous amount.
At four and five, you have two teams in Memphis and Dallas that are, again, set at point guard. So, the only realistic option to trade Rozier for a big is at #6, and you'll be lucky if Bamba is still available by then.
Is Bamba perfect? No. Would I rather have JJJ? Of course. But if we don't do this, tell me the next young big that the Celts are likely to have a shot at. Davis? forget about it. No way that happens. KAT? Minnesota will fire their coach before that happens just to make him happy. Besides, you'd have to give up the franchise to get either in the crazy scenario where they became available. So if not them, and if not Bamba, then who and when? The 2019 draft is bereft of big men, so are we waiting and hoping for the Memphis pick in 2020? These guys are rare so let's not pretend that they aren't.
Go for Bamba and if he develops a three point shot (which, according to the Ringer, he's working hard to do) you're money. If not, then we shot and missed. But to sit pat and hope that a unicorn falls into our lap is, in my estimation, foolish.
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I would keep everyone and go for the title next year.
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I love JJJ as well. Who doesn't? The problems is that to get him , the Celts would have to trade up into the top three picks. Ain't gonna happen. Say Doncic, Ayton at one and two. Then Jackson at #3. Atlanta, which is #3, has a point guard, and they have little incentive to trade Schroeder just to take Rozier (and probably take a relative loss in the trade as a result). Sacramento, at two, has a point guard. So to get JJJ you'd need to trade all the way to #1 and it would cost a ridiculous amount.
At four and five, you have two teams in Memphis and Dallas that are, again, set at point guard. So, the only realistic option to trade Rozier for a big is at #6, and you'll be lucky if Bamba is still available by then.
Is Bamba perfect? No. Would I rather have JJJ? Of course. But if we don't do this, tell me the next young big that the Celts are likely to have a shot at. Davis? forget about it. No way that happens. KAT? Minnesota will fire their coach before that happens just to make him happy. Besides, you'd have to give up the franchise to get either in the crazy scenario where they became available. So if not them, and if not Bamba, then who and when? The 2019 draft is bereft of big men, so are we waiting and hoping for the Memphis pick in 2020? These guys are rare so let's not pretend that they aren't.
Go for Bamba and if he develops a three point shot (which, according to the Ringer, he's working hard to do) you're money. If not, then we shot and missed. But to sit pat and hope that a unicorn falls into our lap is, in my estimation, foolish.
fwiw, Schroder might not be long in Atlanta.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23513081/dennis-schroder-atlanta-hawks-says-wants-play-team-going-right-direction
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need him in case Kyrie misses extended stretches again.
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I am skeptical that Rozier plus the Sacramento pick gets us that high.
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Not sure what he'll do, but I am certain Danny is not, nor will he suddenly turn into, an idiot.
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thanks to DA we are where we are. i would trade terry ONLY if we could upgrade somehow someway. if not somebody please put him in a BBIQ course soon! Smart gives us more overall intangibles and affects the games more than terry but he also could use some BBIQ courses as well. smart can run PNR with theis much better than terry can do with anybody. not that smart is great at it but he can facilitate.
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Relax, guys. Did you see what happened to the Rockets? Harden et al shot 16% 3s, while the Warriors were shooting 46% (or was it 41%?) 3s in the 7th game.
You live by the 3, you die by the 3.
I'm sure Danny was reassured by the 7th Rockets-Warriors game, which mirrored the Cavs-Celtics game. Remarkable.
So Harden shot about 15% 3s. I guess it's time to trade him. LOL. Or maybe stop trying to live by the 3.
Variety is the spice of life.
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Relax, guys. Did you see what happened to the Rockets? Harden et al shot 16% 3s, while the Warriors were shooting 46% (or was it 41%?) 3s in the 7th game.
You live by the 3, you die by the 3.
I'm sure Danny was reassured by the 7th Rockets-Warriors game, which mirrored the Cavs-Celtics game. Remarkable.
So Harden shot about 15% 3s. I guess it's time to trade him. LOL. Or maybe stop trying to live by the 3.
Variety is the spice of life.
yep doesnt excuse our performance and crapping the bed with projectile diarrhea however the rockets missed 27..... 3 point shots in a row? must be a record. how stupid is that team? they also blew back to back 17 and 15 point leads. never rely on any one thing. you need an inside and outside game.
with so many teams going small we will have come full circle because before long we MAY need bigs like old days we can just throw it to and let hem destroy these small teams in the low post. keep him close to paint to defend rim if yoiu are worried about him being pulled out by a 3 point guy. you have to trade off somewhere. give and take. we sure could have used a hakeem, ewing, jabbar, parrish or shaq or russell or duncan in this series down low especially game 7 when outside shots were not falling. if they double up pass to cutter and have everybody crash the rim down low and draw fould and get boards.
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I love JJJ as well. Who doesn't? The problems is that to get him , the Celts would have to trade up into the top three picks. Ain't gonna happen. Say Doncic, Ayton at one and two. Then Jackson at #3. Atlanta, which is #3, has a point guard, and they have little incentive to trade Schroeder just to take Rozier (and probably take a relative loss in the trade as a result). Sacramento, at two, has a point guard. So to get JJJ you'd need to trade all the way to #1 and it would cost a ridiculous amount.
At four and five, you have two teams in Memphis and Dallas that are, again, set at point guard. So, the only realistic option to trade Rozier for a big is at #6, and you'll be lucky if Bamba is still available by then.
Is Bamba perfect? No. Would I rather have JJJ? Of course. But if we don't do this, tell me the next young big that the Celts are likely to have a shot at. Davis? forget about it. No way that happens. KAT? Minnesota will fire their coach before that happens just to make him happy. Besides, you'd have to give up the franchise to get either in the crazy scenario where they became available. So if not them, and if not Bamba, then who and when? The 2019 draft is bereft of big men, so are we waiting and hoping for the Memphis pick in 2020? These guys are rare so let's not pretend that they aren't.
Go for Bamba and if he develops a three point shot (which, according to the Ringer, he's working hard to do) you're money. If not, then we shot and missed. But to sit pat and hope that a unicorn falls into our lap is, in my estimation, foolish.
I'm very high on Bamba so i'm not against trading for him but do we really need a big man prospect?