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Other Discussions => Other / General Sports => Patriots / Football => Topic started by: jaketwice on November 28, 2017, 08:47:34 PM
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I suffered physical pain when something happened in 2007 that I no longer discuss. But cripes. Eli Manning deserves better.
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I suffered physical pain when something happened in 2007 that I no longer discuss. But cripes. Eli Manning deserves better.
I know that pain too, but yes, getting benched for GENO SMITH has got to be galling for Eli. That guy couldn't even keep a starting job on a woeful Jets team a couple years ago.
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Only reason Brady lost to the giants was because of their defense
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Yeah...couldn't have happened to a better guy. Hate the Mannings. Giants going full tank mode. Makes sense.
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Only reason Brady lost to the giants was because of their defense
That, and a couple of ridiculous catches that aren't likely to ever be replicated in any NFL game, much less a Super Bowl.
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Only reason Brady lost to the giants was because of their defense
That, and a couple of ridiculous catches that aren't likely to ever be replicated in any NFL game, much less a Super Bowl.
Just now seeing that there's actually a wikipedia page titled "Helmet Catch." Woof. That was apparently Tyree's last catch in the NFL.
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Only reason Brady lost to the giants was because of their defense
That, and a couple of ridiculous catches that aren't likely to ever be replicated in any NFL game, much less a Super Bowl.
Just now seeing that there's actually a wikipedia page titled "Helmet Catch." Woof. That was apparently Tyree's last catch in the NFL.
Yikes. Didn't know that. He also got a book (https://www.amazon.com/More-Than-Just-Catch-impossible-ebook/dp/B001LF2R0O) out of the catch:
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Brady lost to a very good defensive team.
But still, screw the Helmet Catch and the Sideline Catch. I was also not having any of it with the Bobble Catch from Jermaine Kearse a couple Superbowls ago.
Glad two plays later the Patriots broke the Seahawks' hearts.
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Only reason Brady lost to the giants was because of their defense
Not really. Manning has always been great in big games.
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Giants fan here. I'm from New Hampshire but my mother was a Giants fan so I have always carried that with me. Anyways, this entire situation is unfortunate for Eli. The season started with an offensive line that was GARBAGE. It's definitely the worst I have seen in my history as a Giants fan. Only Seattle is/was worse to start the season. The line finally started to play better and then every single WR went down in the Chargers game. After that the defensive gave up and it's been an absolute nightmare season. This is a classic example of how awful the coaching is throughout the league. Belichick literally has no peer in the modern NFL. The gap has never been greater.
Everyone knows Eli has his flaws but he made enough plays for us to win most of our early games. He deserves to finish his career in a stable situation. I want him to get a crack at the playoffs next season and it's not going to happen in New York. OBJ needs to go because he is a cancer.
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I think Minny or Denver would be a good landing spot for Eli.
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I think Minny or Denver would be a good landing spot for Eli.
If he wore number 18 in Denver he could save the Broncos money on uniforms.
It would be a bit weird to have brother pull the exact same late career move to the same franchise.
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I think Minny or Denver would be a good landing spot for Eli.
If he wore number 18 in Denver he could save the Broncos money on uniforms.
It would be a bit weird to have brother pull the exact same late career move to the same franchise.
Yeah, but Denver makes sense. Their 2 headed attack of Thomas and Sanders could give Eli good weapons for the end of his career. And their defense would start trying again.
Minny also has good targets in the passing game in Thielen and Diggs. Not to mention when they get their young stud RB back next year.
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Brady lost to a very good defensive team.
But still, screw the Helmet Catch and the Sideline Catch. I was also not having any of it with the Bobble Catch from Jermaine Kearse a couple Superbowls ago.
Glad two plays later the Patriots broke the Seahawks' hearts.
Let's not forget that the Edelman catch was probably as unlikely and miraculous a catch as the Helmet catch.
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Are you really benched if you take yourself out? The Giants were going to scale back on Manning and get Smith and Webb (or whatever his name is) more work with some actual game action. It was Manning who said, if you don't want me to play the whole game, I'd rather not start at all.
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Are you really benched if you take yourself out? The Giants were going to scale back on Manning and get Smith and Webb (or whatever his name is) more work with some actual game action. It was Manning who said, if you don't want me to play the whole game, I'd rather not start at all.
So he can look like a 'stat padder' just to keep his streak alive? Also, can you give an example of a franchise splitting QB reps by half with a 13 year veteran and 2 time Super Bowl MVP? It's never been done, and it's a total disrespect for Eli.
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Are you really benched if you take yourself out? The Giants were going to scale back on Manning and get Smith and Webb (or whatever his name is) more work with some actual game action. It was Manning who said, if you don't want me to play the whole game, I'd rather not start at all.
well he'll be on the bench the whole game
so he is "benched"
but it isn't a forced benching
but at least the giants can finally start a black quarterback. aren't they the last nfl team to do that?
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Brady lost to a very good defensive team.
But still, screw the Helmet Catch and the Sideline Catch. I was also not having any of it with the Bobble Catch from Jermaine Kearse a couple Superbowls ago.
Glad two plays later the Patriots broke the Seahawks' hearts.
Let's not forget that the Edelman catch was probably as unlikely and miraculous a catch as the Helmet catch.
True, but I view the Edelman catch (and the Butler INT) as "makeup luck" the Pats deserved after being victimized by the Tyree and Manningham catches (and almost/sorta victimized again by the Kearse catch).
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Are you really benched if you take yourself out? The Giants were going to scale back on Manning and get Smith and Webb (or whatever his name is) more work with some actual game action. It was Manning who said, if you don't want me to play the whole game, I'd rather not start at all.
It seemed to me, like he was gonna just play the beginning of the game for the sake of keeping the streak alive.
Good on Eli for turning that down.
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Are you really benched if you take yourself out? The Giants were going to scale back on Manning and get Smith and Webb (or whatever his name is) more work with some actual game action. It was Manning who said, if you don't want me to play the whole game, I'd rather not start at all.
So he can look like a 'stat padder' just to keep his streak alive? Also, can you give an example of a franchise splitting QB reps by half with a 13 year veteran and 2 time Super Bowl MVP? It's never been done, and it's a total disrespect for Eli.
On a 2-9 team, I suspect it would happen a lot if teams were out of the playoffs. Though, most all time great franchise QB's don't go 2-9 where this is even a discussion. Bad teams bench starters all of the time to get a look at the backups and the Giants didn't even want to bench him, they just wanted to get some reps for the backups. That is the only strange thing going on.
BTW, Eli took the starting job from Kurt Warner who was 5-4 at the time. Now granted he was in his first year in NY, but he had still won a Superbowl previously (and went to another). Warner also was benched in St. Louis before they finally released him. Warner was the starter in Arizona before a poor start got him benched for Matt Leinart because the Cardinals wanted to see what Leinart could do.
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Are you really benched if you take yourself out? The Giants were going to scale back on Manning and get Smith and Webb (or whatever his name is) more work with some actual game action. It was Manning who said, if you don't want me to play the whole game, I'd rather not start at all.
So he can look like a 'stat padder' just to keep his streak alive? Also, can you give an example of a franchise splitting QB reps by half with a 13 year veteran and 2 time Super Bowl MVP? It's never been done, and it's a total disrespect for Eli.
On a 2-9 team, I suspect it would happen a lot if teams were out of the playoffs. Though, most all time great franchise QB's don't go 2-9 where this is even a discussion. Bad teams bench starters all of the time to get a look at the backups and the Giants didn't even want to bench him, they just wanted to get some reps for the backups. That is the only strange thing going on.
BTW, Eli took the starting job from Kurt Warner who was 5-4 at the time. Now granted he was in his first year in NY, but he had still won a Superbowl previously (and went to another). Warner also was benched in St. Louis before they finally released him. Warner was the starter in Arizona before a poor start got him benched for Matt Leinart because the Cardinals wanted to see what Leinart could do.
They are benching him to see Geno Smith?
No, this is a coach who has never been a fan of Eli (there is a history of quotes trying to blame Manning), about to lose his job, trying to prove that his failed offense will work with another QB.
If this was about the future, Webb would be starting. Instead, he is not even active.
As for Warner, he was brought in Manning's rookie year as a mentor and placeholder until they felt Manning could go in.
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Are you really benched if you take yourself out? The Giants were going to scale back on Manning and get Smith and Webb (or whatever his name is) more work with some actual game action. It was Manning who said, if you don't want me to play the whole game, I'd rather not start at all.
So he can look like a 'stat padder' just to keep his streak alive? Also, can you give an example of a franchise splitting QB reps by half with a 13 year veteran and 2 time Super Bowl MVP? It's never been done, and it's a total disrespect for Eli.
On a 2-9 team, I suspect it would happen a lot if teams were out of the playoffs. Though, most all time great franchise QB's don't go 2-9 where this is even a discussion. Bad teams bench starters all of the time to get a look at the backups and the Giants didn't even want to bench him, they just wanted to get some reps for the backups. That is the only strange thing going on.
BTW, Eli took the starting job from Kurt Warner who was 5-4 at the time. Now granted he was in his first year in NY, but he had still won a Superbowl previously (and went to another). Warner also was benched in St. Louis before they finally released him. Warner was the starter in Arizona before a poor start got him benched for Matt Leinart because the Cardinals wanted to see what Leinart could do.
They are benching him to see Geno Smith?
No, this is a coach who has never been a fan of Eli (there is a history of quotes trying to blame Manning), about to lose his job, trying to prove that his failed offense will work with another QB.
If this was about the future, Webb would be starting. Instead, he is not even active.
As for Warner, he was brought in Manning's rookie year as a mentor and placeholder until they felt Manning could go in.
No they are benching him to determine if they can go into next year with Davis Webb and Geno Smith or if they need someone else on the roster.
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Are you really benched if you take yourself out? The Giants were going to scale back on Manning and get Smith and Webb (or whatever his name is) more work with some actual game action. It was Manning who said, if you don't want me to play the whole game, I'd rather not start at all.
So he can look like a 'stat padder' just to keep his streak alive? Also, can you give an example of a franchise splitting QB reps by half with a 13 year veteran and 2 time Super Bowl MVP? It's never been done, and it's a total disrespect for Eli.
On a 2-9 team, I suspect it would happen a lot if teams were out of the playoffs. Though, most all time great franchise QB's don't go 2-9 where this is even a discussion. Bad teams bench starters all of the time to get a look at the backups and the Giants didn't even want to bench him, they just wanted to get some reps for the backups. That is the only strange thing going on.
BTW, Eli took the starting job from Kurt Warner who was 5-4 at the time. Now granted he was in his first year in NY, but he had still won a Superbowl previously (and went to another). Warner also was benched in St. Louis before they finally released him. Warner was the starter in Arizona before a poor start got him benched for Matt Leinart because the Cardinals wanted to see what Leinart could do.
They are benching him to see Geno Smith?
No, this is a coach who has never been a fan of Eli (there is a history of quotes trying to blame Manning), about to lose his job, trying to prove that his failed offense will work with another QB.
If this was about the future, Webb would be starting. Instead, he is not even active.
As for Warner, he was brought in Manning's rookie year as a mentor and placeholder until they felt Manning could go in.
No they are benching him to determine if they can go into next year with Davis Webb and Geno Smith or if they need someone else on the roster.
Geno Smith is not the future QB of the Giants. Any NFL GM or Coach that thinks Geno is their future needs to be fired. There is more then enough tape on Geno at this point/
And as for Webb, not even going to be active for the game.
No, this is a coach looking for a scapegoat for his terrible offense of two years. Just like they GM scapegoated TC two years ago.
We have a coach and GM scrambling to save their jobs because both have not done well.
And they told Manning, no matter how the game is going, they were going to pull him quickly. They would just start him so he could continue his streak.
And of course they do that because they know Manning was not going to take the cheap route towards keeping the streak and he would say no.
And they can say "We didn't bench him, he said he would rather sit then start the games."
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I said they want to see if they can go into next year with Smith and Webb. I didn't say it, but I meant Smith as the backup with Webb starting. Webb is going to play this year and play a lot down the stretch. I have to assume they just don't want 3 active QB's on the roster and aren't ready to deactivate Manning (or maybe they want to see if they can deactivate Manning and just have Smith as the backup). If Smith flames out, then I expect next week you will see Webb starting with Manning as his backup.
I also have no doubt that the Coach and GM will both be fired this offseason as they've both been terrible this year, but the Giants really do have to figure out their QB position and they can't just do it off of practice. They need to see game action from Webb and maybe even Smith (remember he hasn't played much since the broken jaw).