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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2023, 10:17:59 AM »

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I hope it works.   Not sure how it woo.  But I’d love to see it if it is in fact meaningful.   I’m a fan of convoluted competitions.  I loved the bubble format - fully understanding that it was a unique set of circumstances.  I enjoyed seeing it play out.  The World Cup and Olympic tournaments come to mind, but they and the bubble are different because they’re played separately. 

The only way this thing would have meaning is to hault the season and play it out. 

I’d also love to see an NCAA type tournament - single elimination, seeded bracket - but again, only if it was truly competitive- which isn’t typing to happen. 

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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2023, 12:16:20 PM »

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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2023, 05:04:53 AM »

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Just clarifying some stuff I think posters are confusing:
1. The games count towards the team’s regular season record. So I don’t think we’ll see a summer league squad out there, much like we don’t see that during the season
2. The total games played will still be 82 in a season (not more games). The outlier is that the “championship” teams will be playing 83 games (the championship game doesn’t count towards their record).

Im not opposed to it. It’d be fun to have the regular season mean a bit more than just seeding. And it’ll hopefully lower the load management incidences, where I always thought the ticket-buying arena-going fans ended up as the biggest losers. It’ll also give some validation to teams who start the season out strong, instead of everyone forgetting that they actually had a good stretch of the season because it happened so many months ago.

I don’t think players will treat it like the playoffs but at least these games will sorta mean something, instead of everyone saying “it’s a grind”, “it’s just one of 82”, etc. We fans hate it when we perceive players to not care, but as it stands, I can see why people inside the organizations view the season as a process and a long journey to the playoffs. So I can see why they don’t sweat the individual games of the season as much as us. We go on a 3-game losing streak and sky is falling. To them, it’s on to the next one. So hopefully this bridges that gap a little.

Or I could be completely off base lol



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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2023, 06:03:58 AM »

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I'm still unclear on the point of this tourney.

It’s not apparent?

$$$

I guess. I suppose that Silver's main motivation for every decision he makes. Otherwise, though, I don't get it. Why does he want the NBA to be like a pro soccer tournament? What's next? More flopping?

They want to make the regular season more interesting whilst increasing parity, which necessarily decreases the importance of the regular season when you have a season as long as the NBA.

I love how the NBA tries to have its cake and eat it too. "Let's have a bunch of teams that are likely never going to win a title, or even come close, but make them competitive enough to sell a few extra tickets during the regular season!"

Yeah, i know what you mean, but to some degree this is just a byproduct of basketball - the absolutely top tier guys shift the game in a way that is pretty hard for other teams to replicate. 29 teams can’t just sign someone on that LeBron/Jokic/Bird/Magic level.
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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2023, 10:45:54 AM »

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The NBA has revealed more details, as well as the team groups. They say that they're not expecting everyone to warm to it initially but hope that over time it will develop its own tradition, like the European cups and tournaments that have centuries (in the case of the FA Cup, 152 years) of history behind them.

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As part of Saturday's announcement, the league also unveiled the six five-team groups -- three made up of Eastern Conference teams and three made up of Western Conference foes -- that will make up the group stage of the tournament:

Group 1: Philadelphia 76ers, Cleveland Cavaliers, Atlanta Hawks, Indiana Pacers, Detroit Pistons

Group 2: Milwaukee Bucks, New York Knicks, Miami Heat, Washington Wizards, Charlotte Hornets

Group 3: Boston Celtics, Brooklyn Nets, Toronto Raptors, Chicago Bulls, Orlando Magic

Group 4: Memphis Grizzlies, Phoenix Suns, Los Angeles Lakers, Utah Jazz, Portland Trail Blazers

Group 5: Denver Nuggets, LA Clippers, New Orleans Pelicans, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets

Group 6: Sacramento Kings, Golden State Warriors, Minnesota Timberwolves, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs

To create the groups, the NBA used a World Cup-style draw process, splitting each conference into five pots that were separated by last year's regular-season standings. Pot 1 featured the teams that finished first through third -- so, in the East, the Bucks, Celtics and 76ers; followed by teams 4-6 landing in Pot 2 (Cavaliers, Knicks and Nets); teams 7-9 landing in Pot 3 (Hawks, Heat, Raptors); teams 10-12 landing in Pot 4 (Bulls, Pacers and Wizards); and teams 13-15 landing in Pot 5 (Magic, Hornets and Pistons).

From there, one team was randomly selected from each of the five pots to create what the league hopes will be three evenly matched groups of teams to compete against one another.

The group play portion of the tournament will consist of four games -- one against each of the other four teams across each group -- that will take place on seven dates throughout November. This year, those dates will be Nov. 3, 10, 14, 17, 21, 24 and 28 -- a combination of four Fridays and three Tuesdays.

Evan Wasch, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball strategy and analytics and a key person behind the creation of the in-season tournament, said that the league is going to try its best to have back-to-backs as part of those group games held to a minimum.

"The commitment we made to teams is that we would do everything in our power to avoid the group play games being the second night of back-to-backs, it will likely be impossible to avoid some of them being the first night of back-to-backs," Wasch said. "It is probably infeasible for us to deliver a schedule where they're not the first or second night of [any] back-to-backs. So the commitment we hope to achieve at this point is to avoid second nights of back-to-backs."

From there, the winner of each group will advance to the knockout round, along with the highest-finishing team that didn't win a group in each conference. Those teams will then play quarterfinal games on Dec. 4 and Dec. 5 at the higher-seeded teams, with the four teams that win those games advancing to the semifinals on Dec. 7 at T-Mobile Arena, followed by the championship game on Dec. 9.


Up until the title game, East and West teams will play only opponents within their conference, setting up an East vs. West showdown in the championship game in the same format as the NBA playoffs.

During the knockout rounds on days when in-season tournament games are not scheduled (Dec. 6 and Dec. 8), the 22 teams that do not qualify for the knockout rounds will each play two regular-season contests.

Players will take home $500,000 for being on the team that wins the NBA Cup, while players on the team that loses in the title game will take home $200,000 each, with players on the semifinal losing teams each getting $100,000 and players on the quarterfinal losers taking home $50,000. But while other incentives were discussed to give players and teams more incentive to be invested in the tournament, such as guaranteeing the winner a playoff spot, ultimately the league opted not to enact any such measures.

As part of that process, the league readily admits it's going to take time for people to adjust to having a new trophy to win, and a new competition as part of the NBA season, but believes that in time it will become an integral part of the NBA calendar.

"Everybody's not going to buy in right away," said Joe Dumars, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations. "So that can't be the goal that everybody's going to buy in from day one.

"These things take time. And I think, as time goes on, I think you can build this up and people can really get into it."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37981050/nba-officially-unveils-format-groups-new-season-tournament

I'm curious, for those of us here who live overseas, particularly in Europe (e.g. @Kernewek and @Who), what's your opinion on why are these domestic cups and mid season tournaments have a level of popularity and acceptance that they currently don't in the US? Other than the 150 years of tradition obviously. I lived in London for a few years and consider myself reasonably well versed in European soccer (for an American  :police:) but I obviously didn't grow up steeped in it. My English friends loved the FA Cup, especially the ones who didn't support the "Big Four" of the time (Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea), because it was a chance to win something because in a knockout tournament anything can happen? I posted at the start of the thread that all teams that play in Europe's domestic leagues, no matter if they are in League 5, can play in the domestic cups and get their chance to try and upset the big boys. So it could be the highlight of someone's year. But even the big teams value them - just look at Manchester City's push this year to with "the treble" (the Premiership, the FA Cup and the Champions League).

I guess in European soccer leagues there's no salary cap and so no financial parity, you see it with teams like Manchester City having a payroll of 184m pounds while newly promoted Luton Town has 420k pounds and even a mid-table team like Fulham has only 45m pounds. So anyone outside the Top 4 (Top 5 now) have precisely zero chance of ever winning, unless they get bought out by a rich Middle East or American owner like Manchester City did, or now Newcastle did. In fact most of these smaller teams, when they do develop good players, they end up becoming feeder teams for the Big 5 who just offer more for those players to poach them. Meanwhile in the NBA and NFL at least, there are strict salary caps, so technically every team can have a chance at winning a championship as long as they get their finances right. So the goal here is always "championship or bust". Anything less is seen as a Mickey Mouse tournament.




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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2023, 10:48:46 AM »

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Do teams get anything beyond "bragging rights" for this?  For example, if they gave the winning team home court in the playoffs, then it might actually mean something.  As it stands, I don't see how it means anything more than any other regular season game.  If you have a vet team, like the Celtics, and Horford or Williams is banged up, are you going to play them in this series (like you would if it was the real playoffs) or are you going to treat it like any other regular season game?

This feels to me like something really dumb, but I will keep and open mind.

Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2023, 10:51:40 AM »

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The NBA has revealed more details, as well as the team groups. They say that they're not expecting everyone to warm to it initially but hope that over time it will develop its own tradition, like the European cups and tournaments that have centuries (in the case of the FA Cup, 152 years) of history behind them.

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As part of Saturday's announcement, the league also unveiled the six five-team groups -- three made up of Eastern Conference teams and three made up of Western Conference foes -- that will make up the group stage of the tournament:

Group 1: Philadelphia 76ers, Cleveland Cavaliers, Atlanta Hawks, Indiana Pacers, Detroit Pistons

Group 2: Milwaukee Bucks, New York Knicks, Miami Heat, Washington Wizards, Charlotte Hornets

Group 3: Boston Celtics, Brooklyn Nets, Toronto Raptors, Chicago Bulls, Orlando Magic

Group 4: Memphis Grizzlies, Phoenix Suns, Los Angeles Lakers, Utah Jazz, Portland Trail Blazers

Group 5: Denver Nuggets, LA Clippers, New Orleans Pelicans, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets

Group 6: Sacramento Kings, Golden State Warriors, Minnesota Timberwolves, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs

To create the groups, the NBA used a World Cup-style draw process, splitting each conference into five pots that were separated by last year's regular-season standings. Pot 1 featured the teams that finished first through third -- so, in the East, the Bucks, Celtics and 76ers; followed by teams 4-6 landing in Pot 2 (Cavaliers, Knicks and Nets); teams 7-9 landing in Pot 3 (Hawks, Heat, Raptors); teams 10-12 landing in Pot 4 (Bulls, Pacers and Wizards); and teams 13-15 landing in Pot 5 (Magic, Hornets and Pistons).

From there, one team was randomly selected from each of the five pots to create what the league hopes will be three evenly matched groups of teams to compete against one another.

The group play portion of the tournament will consist of four games -- one against each of the other four teams across each group -- that will take place on seven dates throughout November. This year, those dates will be Nov. 3, 10, 14, 17, 21, 24 and 28 -- a combination of four Fridays and three Tuesdays.

Evan Wasch, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball strategy and analytics and a key person behind the creation of the in-season tournament, said that the league is going to try its best to have back-to-backs as part of those group games held to a minimum.

"The commitment we made to teams is that we would do everything in our power to avoid the group play games being the second night of back-to-backs, it will likely be impossible to avoid some of them being the first night of back-to-backs," Wasch said. "It is probably infeasible for us to deliver a schedule where they're not the first or second night of [any] back-to-backs. So the commitment we hope to achieve at this point is to avoid second nights of back-to-backs."

From there, the winner of each group will advance to the knockout round, along with the highest-finishing team that didn't win a group in each conference. Those teams will then play quarterfinal games on Dec. 4 and Dec. 5 at the higher-seeded teams, with the four teams that win those games advancing to the semifinals on Dec. 7 at T-Mobile Arena, followed by the championship game on Dec. 9.


Up until the title game, East and West teams will play only opponents within their conference, setting up an East vs. West showdown in the championship game in the same format as the NBA playoffs.

During the knockout rounds on days when in-season tournament games are not scheduled (Dec. 6 and Dec. 8), the 22 teams that do not qualify for the knockout rounds will each play two regular-season contests.

Players will take home $500,000 for being on the team that wins the NBA Cup, while players on the team that loses in the title game will take home $200,000 each, with players on the semifinal losing teams each getting $100,000 and players on the quarterfinal losers taking home $50,000. But while other incentives were discussed to give players and teams more incentive to be invested in the tournament, such as guaranteeing the winner a playoff spot, ultimately the league opted not to enact any such measures.

As part of that process, the league readily admits it's going to take time for people to adjust to having a new trophy to win, and a new competition as part of the NBA season, but believes that in time it will become an integral part of the NBA calendar.

"Everybody's not going to buy in right away," said Joe Dumars, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations. "So that can't be the goal that everybody's going to buy in from day one.

"These things take time. And I think, as time goes on, I think you can build this up and people can really get into it."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37981050/nba-officially-unveils-format-groups-new-season-tournament

I'm curious, for those of us here who live overseas, particularly in Europe (e.g. @Kernewek and @Who), what's your opinion on why are these domestic cups and mid season tournaments have a level of popularity and acceptance that they currently don't in the US? Other than the 150 years of tradition obviously. I lived in London for a few years and consider myself reasonably well versed in European soccer (for an American  :police:) but I obviously didn't grow up steeped in it. My English friends loved the FA Cup, especially the ones who didn't support the "Big Four" of the time (Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea), because it was a chance to win something because in a knockout tournament anything can happen? I posted at the start of the thread that all teams that play in Europe's domestic leagues, no matter if they are in League 5, can play in the domestic cups and get their chance to try and upset the big boys. So it could be the highlight of someone's year.

I guess in European soccer leagues there's no salary cap and so no financial parity, you see it with teams like Manchester City having a payroll of 184m pounds while newly promoted Luton Town has 420k pounds and even a mid-table team like Fulham has only 45m pounds. So anyone outside the Top 4 (Top 5 now) have precisely zero chance of ever winning, unless they get bought out by a rich Middle East or American owner like Manchester City did, or now Newcastle did. In fact most of these smaller teams, when they do develop good players, they end up becoming feeder teams for the Big 5 who just offer more for those players to poach them. Meanwhile in the NBA and NFL at least, there are strict salary caps, so technically every team can have a chance at winning a championship as long as they get their finances right. So the goal here is always "championship or bust". Anything less is seen as a Mickey Mouse tournament.

Another example for college hockey fans is the Bean Pot Tournament.  That is good hockey and creates some level of buzz, but I don't know that this will be replicated with NBA players/teams. 

Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2023, 11:02:46 AM »

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The NBA has revealed more details, as well as the team groups. They say that they're not expecting everyone to warm to it initially but hope that over time it will develop its own tradition, like the European cups and tournaments that have centuries (in the case of the FA Cup, 152 years) of history behind them.

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As part of Saturday's announcement, the league also unveiled the six five-team groups -- three made up of Eastern Conference teams and three made up of Western Conference foes -- that will make up the group stage of the tournament:

Group 1: Philadelphia 76ers, Cleveland Cavaliers, Atlanta Hawks, Indiana Pacers, Detroit Pistons

Group 2: Milwaukee Bucks, New York Knicks, Miami Heat, Washington Wizards, Charlotte Hornets

Group 3: Boston Celtics, Brooklyn Nets, Toronto Raptors, Chicago Bulls, Orlando Magic

Group 4: Memphis Grizzlies, Phoenix Suns, Los Angeles Lakers, Utah Jazz, Portland Trail Blazers

Group 5: Denver Nuggets, LA Clippers, New Orleans Pelicans, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets

Group 6: Sacramento Kings, Golden State Warriors, Minnesota Timberwolves, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs

To create the groups, the NBA used a World Cup-style draw process, splitting each conference into five pots that were separated by last year's regular-season standings. Pot 1 featured the teams that finished first through third -- so, in the East, the Bucks, Celtics and 76ers; followed by teams 4-6 landing in Pot 2 (Cavaliers, Knicks and Nets); teams 7-9 landing in Pot 3 (Hawks, Heat, Raptors); teams 10-12 landing in Pot 4 (Bulls, Pacers and Wizards); and teams 13-15 landing in Pot 5 (Magic, Hornets and Pistons).

From there, one team was randomly selected from each of the five pots to create what the league hopes will be three evenly matched groups of teams to compete against one another.

The group play portion of the tournament will consist of four games -- one against each of the other four teams across each group -- that will take place on seven dates throughout November. This year, those dates will be Nov. 3, 10, 14, 17, 21, 24 and 28 -- a combination of four Fridays and three Tuesdays.

Evan Wasch, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball strategy and analytics and a key person behind the creation of the in-season tournament, said that the league is going to try its best to have back-to-backs as part of those group games held to a minimum.

"The commitment we made to teams is that we would do everything in our power to avoid the group play games being the second night of back-to-backs, it will likely be impossible to avoid some of them being the first night of back-to-backs," Wasch said. "It is probably infeasible for us to deliver a schedule where they're not the first or second night of [any] back-to-backs. So the commitment we hope to achieve at this point is to avoid second nights of back-to-backs."

From there, the winner of each group will advance to the knockout round, along with the highest-finishing team that didn't win a group in each conference. Those teams will then play quarterfinal games on Dec. 4 and Dec. 5 at the higher-seeded teams, with the four teams that win those games advancing to the semifinals on Dec. 7 at T-Mobile Arena, followed by the championship game on Dec. 9.


Up until the title game, East and West teams will play only opponents within their conference, setting up an East vs. West showdown in the championship game in the same format as the NBA playoffs.

During the knockout rounds on days when in-season tournament games are not scheduled (Dec. 6 and Dec. 8), the 22 teams that do not qualify for the knockout rounds will each play two regular-season contests.

Players will take home $500,000 for being on the team that wins the NBA Cup, while players on the team that loses in the title game will take home $200,000 each, with players on the semifinal losing teams each getting $100,000 and players on the quarterfinal losers taking home $50,000. But while other incentives were discussed to give players and teams more incentive to be invested in the tournament, such as guaranteeing the winner a playoff spot, ultimately the league opted not to enact any such measures.

As part of that process, the league readily admits it's going to take time for people to adjust to having a new trophy to win, and a new competition as part of the NBA season, but believes that in time it will become an integral part of the NBA calendar.

"Everybody's not going to buy in right away," said Joe Dumars, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations. "So that can't be the goal that everybody's going to buy in from day one.

"These things take time. And I think, as time goes on, I think you can build this up and people can really get into it."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37981050/nba-officially-unveils-format-groups-new-season-tournament

I'm curious, for those of us here who live overseas, particularly in Europe (e.g. @Kernewek and @Who), what's your opinion on why are these domestic cups and mid season tournaments have a level of popularity and acceptance that they currently don't in the US? Other than the 150 years of tradition obviously. I lived in London for a few years and consider myself reasonably well versed in European soccer (for an American  :police:) but I obviously didn't grow up steeped in it. My English friends loved the FA Cup, especially the ones who didn't support the "Big Four" of the time (Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea), because it was a chance to win something because in a knockout tournament anything can happen? I posted at the start of the thread that all teams that play in Europe's domestic leagues, no matter if they are in League 5, can play in the domestic cups and get their chance to try and upset the big boys. So it could be the highlight of someone's year.

I guess in European soccer leagues there's no salary cap and so no financial parity, you see it with teams like Manchester City having a payroll of 184m pounds while newly promoted Luton Town has 420k pounds and even a mid-table team like Fulham has only 45m pounds. So anyone outside the Top 4 (Top 5 now) have precisely zero chance of ever winning, unless they get bought out by a rich Middle East or American owner like Manchester City did, or now Newcastle did. In fact most of these smaller teams, when they do develop good players, they end up becoming feeder teams for the Big 5 who just offer more for those players to poach them. Meanwhile in the NBA and NFL at least, there are strict salary caps, so technically every team can have a chance at winning a championship as long as they get their finances right. So the goal here is always "championship or bust". Anything less is seen as a Mickey Mouse tournament.

I’m going in with an open mind, but I think it would be more compelling if there were independent minor league teams that competed as well.  American soccer has the US Open Cup, similar to the European tournaments.  I grew up in Rochester, NY, and back in 1999, the second division A-League Rochester Raging Rhinos (RIP) made a run and won the whole thing, beating the MLS teams.  I was at either a round of 16 or quarterfinal match (I forget how far along it was) when the Rhinos hosted the MLS Chicago Fire, who were the defending US Open and MLS champs.  It was absolutely electric, with Rochester winning 1-0.  It’s the only time a non-MLS teams has won the Cup since MLS started.  Without giving an opportunity for a true underdog team to win, the NBA is probably going to be unable to capture the excitement of what goes on in Europe, or what makes March Madness so exciting.  We’ll see — maybe they can and I’ll give them a shot — but even if just once in a decade a non-NBA team snuck through a round or two against the NBA teams, that would really increase the excitement.  Right now it’s just an in-season NBA tournament, instead of an in-season tournament for the entire sport in the country.

Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2023, 11:13:43 AM »

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Yes, a big part of the appeal of these tournaments like the Bean Pot tournament and the US Open Cup as well as the NCAA Tournament, is the chance for upsets and the chance for the underdogs to have their day in the sun. It's also what makes the FA Cup so special, seeing some lower division semi pro team stick it to the big boys. Without it you miss the Cinderella stories that provide drama. Because without that, if it's just the same 30 teams playing amongst each other anyway, then you have to make it "mean something" in the bigger scheme of things, otherwise it's just more games and a smaller piece of silverware.
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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2023, 11:17:04 AM »

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I don't like that the conferences don't play each other until the final game. It just makes it feel like a poor imitation of the playoffs, having teams more mixed up would give good chances for competing with teams you normally wouldn't deal with (other than a couple meaningless games every year), and allow for inter-conference rivalries to mean more.

Like it'd be cool to have the Lakers or Warriors in our group and compete with them in the standings, but playing them in the final game would just feel like a poor imitation of a real meaningful Finals games.

I'd also like it more if there was some international or G-League component (and I would imagine the G-League guys would take those cash prizes way more seriously than any of the NBA teams)
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« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2023, 01:30:29 PM »

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I still don't understand why I'm supposed to care if the Celtics were to win this "championship" in the middle of the season.
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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2023, 01:33:52 PM »

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On the one hand who cares?

On the other hand beat the 76ers/Heat/Lakers/Warriors at all costs.

If the players take it seriously the fans will, that's about all there is to it.

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« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2023, 10:40:33 PM »

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Do teams get anything beyond "bragging rights" for this?  For example, if they gave the winning team home court in the playoffs, then it might actually mean something.  As it stands, I don't see how it means anything more than any other regular season game.  If you have a vet team, like the Celtics, and Horford or Williams is banged up, are you going to play them in this series (like you would if it was the real playoffs) or are you going to treat it like any other regular season game?

This feels to me like something really dumb, but I will keep and open mind.

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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2023, 02:10:26 AM »

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Give the winner an additional draft pick at the end of the first round. Combined with the more stringent CBA, you'd definitely get teams to take it seriously... now there are probably a million reasons why that wouldn't work, but it's still a fun idea.
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Re: NBA to add in-season tournament with Final Four in Dec
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2023, 02:41:23 AM »

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I wouldn't let my banged up key players participate in a meaningless tourney. I want my key players healthy for the playoffs lol. We all saw what happened to Gallinari last year.

Let the D-league kids play in this.


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