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Re: Next year's rotation
« Reply #105 on: November 28, 2020, 06:34:21 PM »

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Below is my depth chart.  Couple of points, Nesmith is a rookie and is 3rd string until he proves otherwise.  I wish we had a decent PF or Swing to start in place of Smart (and slide Brown and Tatum up to SG and SF) but we don't so we have to play Tatum out of position.  And last, our biggest weakness is the Wing/SF off the bench.  I don't buy that GWilliams can be that (he may be second team big over RWilliams though) or Ojeleye.  I don't give that to a rookie, so we are stuck with Javonte Green. 

Not every player is going to fit into a roster box, I understand.  Overall, this is still pretty good.  Some holes to fill or upgrade but that is true of most any team.  Priority 1 for me is to find that veteran wing/forward who can play off the bench for us (not Lou Williams).  Priority 2 would be to find a starting level Big (probably PF) or Swing that can allow us to play a 2-big line up without giving up too much skill.

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Walker        Teague       Pritchard
Smart         Langford     Edwards
Brown         Green         Nesmith
Tatum         Theis          GWilliams
Thompson   RWilliams    Ojeleye
Glen Robinson III is still available. Right?

Mentioned him before, but nobody seems interested. I’m not sure why. I think he could fill a need
Would love him for the BAE. He was great in Golden State, would be a good guy to play backup wing minutes while Nesmith learns the system.

I would also not be opposed, if we end up with that TPE regarding Hayward, to using it on Harrison Barnes or Rudy Gay (if we can't land some star like Beal). Both experienced, and very reliable. Would also make Ojeleye our 13th or 14th man!
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Next year's rotation
« Reply #106 on: November 28, 2020, 06:56:44 PM »

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Starters: 150 Minutes
1 - Kemba (30)
2 - Smart (32)
3 - Brown (34)
4 - Tatum (34)
5 - Thompson (20)
Bench: 90 Minutes
6 - Theis (20)
7 - Teague (18)
8 - Nesmith (18)
9 - G Will (14)
10 - Langford (12)
11 - R Will ( 8 )

That would be my anticipated everyone is healthy rotation. Of course, there will be plenty of nights when players are out due to injury/rest when players 7-11 in that rotation would be in line for larger roles and Pritchard/Semi would slot in to spot minutes.

Re: Next year's rotation
« Reply #107 on: November 28, 2020, 07:06:58 PM »

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Starters: 150 Minutes
1 - Kemba (30)
2 - Smart (32)
3 - Brown (34)
4 - Tatum (34)
5 - Thompson (20)
Bench: 90 Minutes
6 - Theis (20)
7 - Teague (18)
8 - Nesmith (18)
9 - G Will (14)
10 - Langford (12)
11 - R Will ( 8 )

That would be my anticipated everyone is healthy rotation. Of course, there will be plenty of nights when players are out due to injury/rest when players 7-11 in that rotation would be in line for larger roles and Pritchard/Semi would slot in to spot minutes.
I feel like Timelord will want out of Boston if he’s only getting 8MPG. Not that I disagree with your rotation - I actually like it. But I do wonder if Rob thinks he could get more time elsewhere
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Next year's rotation
« Reply #108 on: November 28, 2020, 07:20:02 PM »

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Below is my depth chart.  Couple of points, Nesmith is a rookie and is 3rd string until he proves otherwise.  I wish we had a decent PF or Swing to start in place of Smart (and slide Brown and Tatum up to SG and SF) but we don't so we have to play Tatum out of position.  And last, our biggest weakness is the Wing/SF off the bench.  I don't buy that GWilliams can be that (he may be second team big over RWilliams though) or Ojeleye.  I don't give that to a rookie, so we are stuck with Javonte Green. 

Not every player is going to fit into a roster box, I understand.  Overall, this is still pretty good.  Some holes to fill or upgrade but that is true of most any team.  Priority 1 for me is to find that veteran wing/forward who can play off the bench for us (not Lou Williams).  Priority 2 would be to find a starting level Big (probably PF) or Swing that can allow us to play a 2-big line up without giving up too much skill.

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Walker        Teague       Pritchard
Smart         Langford     Edwards
Brown         Green         Nesmith
Tatum         Theis          GWilliams
Thompson   RWilliams    Ojeleye
Glen Robinson III is still available. Right?

Mentioned him before, but nobody seems interested. I’m not sure why. I think he could fill a need
Would love him for the BAE. He was great in Golden State, would be a good guy to play backup wing minutes while Nesmith learns the system.

I would also not be opposed, if we end up with that TPE regarding Hayward, to using it on Harrison Barnes or Rudy Gay (if we can't land some star like Beal). Both experienced, and very reliable. Would also make Ojeleye our 13th or 14th man!

TP. It just feels like we're a veteran wing player from being a true contender. Harrison Barnes would be an ideal target. His contract descends and he's shown that he can play a complementary role consistently. But I think it's already been shown by posters more versed in cap than I that he'd be out of our price range regardless of the TPE.
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SG: OG Anunoby/Norman Powell/Matisse Thybulle
SF: Gordon Hayward/Demar Derozan
PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo/Robert Covington
C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman

Re: Next year's rotation
« Reply #109 on: November 28, 2020, 07:32:52 PM »

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Starters: 150 Minutes
1 - Kemba (30)
2 - Smart (32)
3 - Brown (34)
4 - Tatum (34)
5 - Thompson (20)
Bench: 90 Minutes
6 - Theis (20)
7 - Teague (18)
8 - Nesmith (18)
9 - G Will (14)
10 - Langford (12)
11 - R Will ( 8 )

That would be my anticipated everyone is healthy rotation. Of course, there will be plenty of nights when players are out due to injury/rest when players 7-11 in that rotation would be in line for larger roles and Pritchard/Semi would slot in to spot minutes.
I feel like Timelord will want out of Boston if he’s only getting 8MPG. Not that I disagree with your rotation - I actually like it. But I do wonder if Rob thinks he could get more time elsewhere

R Will definitely is the one getting squeezed in the everyone healthy rotation. My thought though is that Thompson and Theis would receive fairly regular rest days throughout the regular season, providing R Will with a decent chunk of games where he gets 20+ minutes to show what he can do. Either he or Theis could be plausibly moved at the deadline as well in the right deal.

Re: Next year's rotation
« Reply #110 on: November 28, 2020, 07:42:57 PM »

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Starters: 150 Minutes
1 - Kemba (30)
2 - Smart (32)
3 - Brown (34)
4 - Tatum (34)
5 - Thompson (20)
Bench: 90 Minutes
6 - Theis (20)
7 - Teague (18)
8 - Nesmith (18)
9 - G Will (14)
10 - Langford (12)
11 - R Will ( 8 )

That would be my anticipated everyone is healthy rotation. Of course, there will be plenty of nights when players are out due to injury/rest when players 7-11 in that rotation would be in line for larger roles and Pritchard/Semi would slot in to spot minutes.
I feel like Timelord will want out of Boston if he’s only getting 8MPG. Not that I disagree with your rotation - I actually like it. But I do wonder if Rob thinks he could get more time elsewhere

8 minutes for Rob is just wrong. I’m pulling for him to outplay Theis and Thompson.

Re: Next year's rotation
« Reply #111 on: November 28, 2020, 08:59:35 PM »

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Starters: 150 Minutes
1 - Kemba (30)
2 - Smart (32)
3 - Brown (34)
4 - Tatum (34)
5 - Thompson (20)
Bench: 90 Minutes
6 - Theis (20)
7 - Teague (18)
8 - Nesmith (18)
9 - G Will (14)
10 - Langford (12)
11 - R Will ( 8 )

That would be my anticipated everyone is healthy rotation. Of course, there will be plenty of nights when players are out due to injury/rest when players 7-11 in that rotation would be in line for larger roles and Pritchard/Semi would slot in to spot minutes.
I feel like Timelord will want out of Boston if he’s only getting 8MPG. Not that I disagree with your rotation - I actually like it. But I do wonder if Rob thinks he could get more time elsewhere

8 minutes for Robert is just wrong. I’m pulling for him to outplay Theis and Thompson.

Yes, Rob should at least play 15-20 minutes a game. He has shown enough talent to warrant that.
I'm still very high on Timelord and see him as a more skilled Capela.

Since Theis is an expiring contract and with his $5M an absolute bargain (and thus valuable) I wonder if the Celtics shouldn't look to put him on the market. We know that Celtics players tend to be overpaid in free agency and also that Ainge doesn't want to overpay for role players. Do we want to lose a valuable player again for nothing?

Starting: Kemba Walker / Jaylen Brown / Jayson Tatum / Tristan Thompson / Daniel Theis
Rotation: Jeff Teague / Marcus Smart / Aaron Nesmith / Grant Williams / Robert Williams
Bench: Payton Pritchard / Carsen Edwards (G-league) / Romeo Langford (injured) / Semi Ojeleye

I was with you until you picked Thompson over Grant Williams. Grant is obviously the worse player but he will stretch the floor better than Thompson which will be important for the starting lineup.

I still think Stevens goes with the starters he had in the playoffs. Walker-Smart-Tatum-Brown-Theis. The bench will be low scoring again with Thompson, Teague, Grant, Langford, Timelord and either Semi or Nesmith finishing off the rotation, so Stevens is going to have to leave two of Smart, Brown, Tatum and Kemba in most of the time.

If the bench can give the team 25+ points a game, I think the Celtics will be winning a lot of those games

As with the minutes assigned to Timelord by previous posters, I believe starting Walker-Smart-Tatum-Brown-Theis makes the rotation unbalanced.

Walker/Smart is perfectly adequate backcourt (no complains), but now Brown has to defend PF's and while he can do a decent to good job (Siakam  8)) at that I'd rather not having Brown constantly defend players who are bigger than him.
And on the offensive end I find Brown better at exploiting his size advantage against SG's than his speed advantage against PF's. 

Your bench consists of almost only guards and bigs. Would you play Thompson and Robert Williams together on a bench unit? Because otherwise with Langford currently injured and Smart starting, you only have Grant Williams, Ojeleye, Nesmith to fill in the wing spots (SG/SF/PF) on a bench unit alongside either Tatum or Brown.

I'm admittedly done with Ojeleye as a rotation player, but with your starting line-up he automatically will get minutes on the bench due to the scarcity on the wings, while you create a logjam at center (especially if Grant Williams plays minutes as super small ball center  ::) )

While the Celtics were able to cope with a very weak scoring bench last season, I'm not that comfortable now with Hayward gone and Walker having to be load managed. We need to create a bench unit that can get some points without Tatum needing to carry it.

Re: Next year's rotation
« Reply #112 on: November 28, 2020, 10:22:35 PM »

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I feel like people still get hung up on outdated positional biases.
1) Stevens has shown consistently that he only wants to play one interior player (guy that shoots 3s poorly or doesn’t take 3s) at a time. That means Theis, Thompson, and R Will one way or another have 48 minutes to split between them at the 5 spot. Stevens is not going to play them together other than extremely rarely for matchup purposes. We have a log-jam at the 5 rather than a deficit there.
2) Tatum is not an under-sized 4 in the modern age. He’s at least 6’9”, long, and is now strong enough not to get bullied except by true post bruisers (which only a handful of teams play at the 4). Jaylen and Smart are also two of the best post defenders in the league at their respective sizes.
3) The best coaches all stagger minutes at this point, which makes sense to increase the usage rate of your best players and allow your role players to not have to overextend their skill sets. The days of seeing 5 true bench players on the floor at the same time for an extended period are largely a thing of the past. 1-2 of Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum should be on the floor almost the whole game.