Next year's rotation

[Jvalin]

Ha, I knew I was forgetting people in my rotation! Going to swap trading Hayward for Turner & Doug McBuckets with Capela instead (assuming he can’t be persuaded to stay). I guess there’s no Boogie time

Kemba Walker / Payton Pritchard / Tremont Waters
Marcus Smart / Romeo Langford / Carsen Edwards
Jaylen Brown / Alec Burks / Aaron Nesmith
Jayson Tatum / Grant Williams / Ersan Ilyasova
Clint Capela / Daniel Theis / Robert Williams

With the injury-prone nature of Romeo and Alec Burks there’d be no shortage of time for Nesmith

Why would the Hawks throw in Capela when they can just sign Hayward via cap space? ''Assuming he (Capela) can’t be persuaded to stay'', the Hawks could trade him for asset(s) in a separate deal.

[action781]

So right now we just have

Kemba / Pritchard / Carsen
Smart / Romeo
Jaylen / Nesmith / Semi
Tatum / Grant Williams
Theis / Time Lord

Plus Tremont and Tacko in Maine.

Right?

I'm kind of ok with where we're at right now.  Our starting 5 is pretty solid.  Grant and Time Lord are already solid rotational players IMO who you'd expect to make at minimum a small improvement next year, maybe a bigger one.  If Pritchard and one of Nesmith/Romeo can be rotational players next year, then we're in good shape.  That's a big if though. 

The MLE can be used for insurance on the wing and also we could get a useful player back in a Hayward trade (or resigning).  Bringing back Wanamaker would be nice insurance too for a backup ball-handler in case Pritchard isn't ready or doesn't pan out.  I think we're in a good position.

[NKY fan]

So right now we just have

Kemba / Pritchard / Carsen
Smart / Romeo
Jaylen / Nesmith / Semi
Tatum / Grant Williams
Theis / Time Lord

Plus Tremont and Tacko in Maine.

Right?

I'm kind of ok with where we're at right now.  Our starting 5 is pretty solid.  Grant and Time Lord are already solid rotational players IMO who you'd expect to make at minimum a small improvement next year, maybe a bigger one.  If Pritchard and one of Nesmith/Romeo can be rotational players next year, then we're in good shape.  That's a big if though. 

The MLE can be used for insurance on the wing and also we could get a useful player back in a Hayward trade (or resigning).  Bringing back Wanamaker would be nice insurance too for a backup ball-handler in case Pritchard isn't ready or doesn't pan out.  I think we're in a good position.

I think you want to look at it from the perspective of :
Are any players we have beyond the starting 5 playable in the later rounds of the playoffs ? It’s fine to have young and developing players but when you’re trying to contend it’s not so fine..
Everyone here is pulling for Romeo , Timelord and Grant but it’s a long shot

[action781]

Ha, I knew I was forgetting people in my rotation! Going to swap trading Hayward for Turner & Doug McBuckets with Capela instead (assuming he can’t be persuaded to stay). I guess there’s no Boogie time

Kemba Walker / Payton Pritchard / Tremont Waters
Marcus Smart / Romeo Langford / Carsen Edwards
Jaylen Brown / Alec Burks / Aaron Nesmith
Jayson Tatum / Grant Williams / Ersan Ilyasova
Clint Capela / Daniel Theis / Robert Williams

With the injury-prone nature of Romeo and Alec Burks there’d be no shortage of time for Nesmith

Why would the Hawks throw in Capela when they can just sign Hayward via cap space? ''Assuming he (Capela) can’t be persuaded to stay'', the Hawks could trade him for asset(s) in a separate deal.

How much cap space do they have after the Gallo signing?  It appears to me no more than $24 mil, but I can't quite put my thumb on the exact number.

[Surferdad]

So right now we just have

Kemba / Pritchard / Carsen
Smart / Romeo
Jaylen / Nesmith / Semi
Tatum / Grant Williams
Theis / Time Lord

Plus Tremont and Tacko in Maine.

Right?

I'm kind of ok with where we're at right now.  Our starting 5 is pretty solid.  Grant and Time Lord are already solid rotational players IMO who you'd expect to make at minimum a small improvement next year, maybe a bigger one.  If Pritchard and one of Nesmith/Romeo can be rotational players next year, then we're in good shape.  That's a big if though. 

The MLE can be used for insurance on the wing and also we could get a useful player back in a Hayward trade (or resigning).  Bringing back Wanamaker would be nice insurance too for a backup ball-handler in case Pritchard isn't ready or doesn't pan out.  I think we're in a good position.

I'm not.  This assumes a Hayward out-out, right?  That depth chart looks worse than last year.

[dannyboy35]

Kemba.  Pritchard
Jaylen.   Smart
Warren.  Nesmith
Tatum.   G. Williams
Baynes    Turner.   

I think Theis at the beginning but just because I’m guessing we acquire Baynes ( maybe too expensive I know but I’m just guessing) but will be dealt because we don’t know if we can pay him  with his value in league. Maybe we can get a Pretty good first in a deal with him. Timelord ( because I don’t trust brad to play him) dealt for .. I dunno .. a late 1st at best is probably what it would be.
  I’d shake my head at Danny again if he was able to squeeze Warren out of this.
   I’m not a fan of Turner AT ALL. I hated playing with guys like him. His lack of consistent effort messes with the whole teams’ head. It’s almost more confusing when sometimes the effort is there and he goes nuts. Because the ability is there. But never consistent. I think he’s probably a fantastic person . Maybe he’s an amazing citizen, kind person and loving father etc. But I think he’s UNHEALTHY for this team.
  I think Oladipo could cause trouble very quickly. So I think Danny isn’t in on this. But who knows.

[Darth_Yoda]

So right now we just have

Kemba / Pritchard / Carsen
Smart / Romeo
Jaylen / Nesmith / Semi
Tatum / Grant Williams
Theis / Time Lord

Plus Tremont and Tacko in Maine.

Right?

I'm kind of ok with where we're at right now.  Our starting 5 is pretty solid.  Grant and Time Lord are already solid rotational players IMO who you'd expect to make at minimum a small improvement next year, maybe a bigger one.  If Pritchard and one of Nesmith/Romeo can be rotational players next year, then we're in good shape.  That's a big if though. 

The MLE can be used for insurance on the wing and also we could get a useful player back in a Hayward trade (or resigning).  Bringing back Wanamaker would be nice insurance too for a backup ball-handler in case Pritchard isn't ready or doesn't pan out.  I think we're in a good position.

I'm not.  This assumes a Hayward out-out, right?  That depth chart looks worse than last year.

Naw. Pritchard is better than wannamaker and nesmith is better than anyone off the bench last season.

Also with crybaby gone we will have full mle to use to improve as well 

[footey]

So right now we just have

Kemba / Pritchard / Carsen
Smart / Romeo
Jaylen / Nesmith / Semi
Tatum / Grant Williams
Theis / Time Lord

Plus Tremont and Tacko in Maine.

Right?

I'm kind of ok with where we're at right now.  Our starting 5 is pretty solid.  Grant and Time Lord are already solid rotational players IMO who you'd expect to make at minimum a small improvement next year, maybe a bigger one.  If Pritchard and one of Nesmith/Romeo can be rotational players next year, then we're in good shape.  That's a big if though. 

The MLE can be used for insurance on the wing and also we could get a useful player back in a Hayward trade (or resigning).  Bringing back Wanamaker would be nice insurance too for a backup ball-handler in case Pritchard isn't ready or doesn't pan out.  I think we're in a good position.

I'm not.  This assumes a Hayward out-out, right?  That depth chart looks worse than last year.

Naw. Pritchard is better than wannamaker and nesmith is better than anyone off the bench last season.

Also with crybaby gone we will have full mle to use to improve as well

who is crybaby?

[Neurotic Guy]

Ha, I knew I was forgetting people in my rotation! Going to swap trading Hayward for Turner & Doug McBuckets with Capela instead (assuming he can’t be persuaded to stay). I guess there’s no Boogie time

Kemba Walker / Payton Pritchard / Tremont Waters
Marcus Smart / Romeo Langford / Carsen Edwards
Jaylen Brown / Alec Burks / Aaron Nesmith
Jayson Tatum / Grant Williams / Ersan Ilyasova
Clint Capela / Daniel Theis / Robert Williams

With the injury-prone nature of Romeo and Alec Burks there’d be no shortage of time for Nesmith

Why would the Hawks throw in Capela when they can just sign Hayward via cap space? ''Assuming he (Capela) can’t be persuaded to stay'', the Hawks could trade him for asset(s) in a separate deal.

Another question would be, why would Hayward sign in Atlanta over Boston -- assuming numbers in same ballpark and reports of fondness for the Celtics are accurate?

Atlanta has an emerging superstar in Trae Young and a young nucleus that Gordon (and coach) will need to nurture. He may be higher on the depth chart in Atlanta, but that team isn't going anywhere anytime soon.   Hayward should see Boston as a better opportunity for himself than Atlanta.

[RodyTur10]

DONT WASTE YOUR TIME READING THIS

Let's assume for a moment Hayward for Turner + McDermott (as a basis) goes through. Then the Celtics have:

Guards: Walker, Smart, Pritchard, Edwards + Waters (two-way)
Wings: Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, McDermott, Langford, Ojeleye
Bigs: Turner, Theis, Rob Williams, Grant Williams + free agent? + Fall (two-way)

Walker, Brown, Tatum and Turner are basically guaranteed starters then. The options to start alongside them are Smart, Nesmith and Theis. As a closing line-up I obviously choose Smart, but to start him makes rotations really wonky. Pritchard would need to deliver immediately and given Langford's injury, you'd probably end up needing Waters/Edwards to play some. The option to add a pure shooter in Nesmith makes sense, you'll also be able to give McDerrmott an important role on the bench. It will squeeze the minutes of Theis and Rob Williams though and it will force Brown and Tatum to defend bigger players.

When I see that roster above I see the following players being ready to play on a consistent acceptable level (G: Walker + Smart yes, Pritchard maybe; W: Tatum + Brown yes, Nesmith maybe and Langford - injured; B: Turner + Theis yes, Rob and Grant Williams maybe).

Thus guards 2(+1), wings 2(+1) and bigs 2(+2). This gives me 10 players for the regular rotation. To balance these minutes a 1/2 guards + 1/2 wings + 2 bigs line-up as basics makes the most sense. Luckily we have two of those bigs that are good floor spacers (Turner and G-Will). Just fill in the pieces and take into account that Walker/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Turner is the closing line-up, we end up with these rotation minutes:

Walker (30) / Pritchard (12) / Edwards / Waters
Brown (33) / Smart (30) / Langford
Tatum (33) / Nesmith (18) / McDermott
Turner (30) / G.Williams (15) / Ojeleye
Theis (21) / R.Williams (18) / vet min / Fall


It would need to be an adjustment by Stevens to regurly play two bigs, but I think that most combinations of Turner/G-Will/Theis/Timelord are playable. With the roster balance in mind I understand why Ainge is pushing for more than Turner. If TJ Warren could be obtained (in exchange for Theis) it would change things a bit. Then you could play Warren/Turner as a starting frontcourt with Grant and Robert Williams as back-ups.

And in this scenario the Celtics can still dug the tax even by taking on both Warren 12M and Turner 18M. Maybe Ainge has had this in mind all this time, because all the cost-cutting moves make sense then as well as not being worried about signing major free agents. (Walker+Brown+Turner+Smart+Warren+Tatum+Langford+Nesmith+G.Williams+Pritchard+R.Williams+ Ojeleye+Edwards+Waters(minimum)+vet min < 132.6M). Those starters + Smart would earn 84% of the total payroll, would be some impressive cap/money management!

[Who]

So right now we just have

Kemba / Pritchard / Carsen
Smart / Romeo
Jaylen / Nesmith / Semi
Tatum / Grant Williams
Theis / Time Lord

Just looking at that depth chart - Kemba jumps out at me. He is going to have a lot more on his plate next season as a leader, floor general and playmaker without Hayward around to help him out.

That team looks like one that will be vulnerable to regular offensive lags.

We'll miss Hayward's ability to boost the offensive efficiency and maintain togetherness / teamwork on offense.

[gouki88]

Well, I guess this thread is dramatically changed now hey!

1. I'd offer Jeff Teague the MLE over 2 years. He's still a very capable veteran point guard, and he can start if Kemba's knee concerns flare up. Would be a great 20-25MPG guy when needed.

2. I'd offer both Willie Cauley-Stein and Willy Hernangomez the BAE. I think both of these guys are really solid bench big men. WCS is what he is - an athletic rim-runner. I think Hernangomez has potential - he looked good in his rookie year but hasn't been given similar minutes since. Good scorer and rebounder. If all of those fall through I'd throw a Vet Min at Boogie.

3. Offer Ersan Ilyasova the Vet Min. Hard-nosed (pardon the pun about him having a nose made of mush), can stretch the floor, plays good defence. Seems ideal for a veteran presence.

Kemba Walker / Jeff Teague / Payton Pritchard
Marcus Smart / Romeo Langford / Carsen Edwards
Jaylen Brown / Aaron Nesmith / Semi Ojeleye
Jayson Tatum / Grant Williams / Ersan Ilyasova
Daniel Theis / Robert Williams / Willy Hernangomez (or Boogie!)

I like the versatility of this team. Could go defence-first with Smart-Brown-Tatum-Timelord-Theis, go all offence with Kemba-Nesmith-Brown-Tatum-Hernangomez, or anything in between. I know it won't happen, but trying to salvage a couple of veteran presences in the wake of losing Hayward, Kanter and Wanamaker would be ideal for my mind.

[Tr1boy]

So right now we just have

Kemba / Pritchard / Carsen
Smart / Romeo
Jaylen / Nesmith / Semi
Tatum / Grant Williams
Theis / Time Lord

Plus Tremont and Tacko in Maine.

Right?

I'm kind of ok with where we're at right now.  Our starting 5 is pretty solid.  Grant and Time Lord are already solid rotational players IMO who you'd expect to make at minimum a small improvement next year, maybe a bigger one.  If Pritchard and one of Nesmith/Romeo can be rotational players next year, then we're in good shape.  That's a big if though. 

The MLE can be used for insurance on the wing and also we could get a useful player back in a Hayward trade (or resigning).  Bringing back Wanamaker would be nice insurance too for a backup ball-handler in case Pritchard isn't ready or doesn't pan out.  I think we're in a good position.

I'm not.  This assumes a Hayward out-out, right?  That depth chart looks worse than last year.

Naw. Pritchard is better than wannamaker and nesmith is better than anyone off the bench last season.

Also with crybaby gone we will have full mle to use to improve as well

who is crybaby?

Hayward

[Tr1boy]

C- Thompson, Timelord, Theis, Fall
F- Tatum, Gwill
F- Brown, Nesmith, Ojeleye
G- Smart, Langford, Edwards
G- Walker, Teague, Pritchard, Waters

[hwangjini_1]

C- Thompson, Timelord, Theis, Fall
F- Tatum, Gwill
F- Brown, Nesmith, Ojeleye
G- Smart, Langford, Edwards
G- Walker, Teague, Pritchard, Waters

or.....

ball handlers
Smart, Walker, Teague, Pritchard, Waters

wings
Tatum, Gwill, Brown, Nesmith, Ojeleye, Langford, Edwards


bigs
Thompson, Timelord, Theis, Fall (2 way), and Gwill on occasion

and i hope they add giles.