The French football (soccer) team should be ashamed

[Fafnir]

And what if a handball is called that wasnt actually a handball?  Do you review it?  and give a penalty kick? 

You can't review every call, but that's not a good argument for reviewing none of them.

I'm not sure how the system should be setup exactly, but its something that needs to be done.

[indeedproceed]

FIFA should have replays. It's 2009 now. Come on. Whole nations sway with every single play. We don't really have anything like you have on a national level, thebirdman, so that must be pretty awesome. It was tough to see the Irish players bawling: it shows you how much it means.

Replays like in replaying the game where officials made mistakes?

Every football season there are literally hundreds of teams that lose games due to officiating mistakes. It's part of the game. What's the big drama now?

The whining of the Irish - one would think they had never won a game because of referees making bad calls in their benefit - is embarrassing.

There should be a review of offsides and handballs that result in goals. In world cup matches its not cost prohibitive, and it would result in a fairer overall competition.

What's wrong with that?

They never stop the clock though, how does that work?  The only time play really stops for an extended period of time is when somebody is on the ground pretending like they got tripped.

I am aware of how soccer time keeping works.

You just add "review time" to stoppage and injury time. The refs already deal with that exact issue.

Congrats.

But when you look at other sports will replays, they only do it after a stoppage in play.  You are talking about only doing it in the case of plays that result in goals, but isnt that not fair to the offensive team?  If a defender gets away with a handball the prevents a goal and there is no review thats not fair to the offensive team since the same vioaltion on their part means a goal will get taken away.

Sarcasm aside Rondo2287, you could broaden the review criteria to be fair to both offensive and defensive teams. And if a handball is used to stop a potential goal you can award a PK or a free kick, just like any other foul.

Its feasible and needs to happen. Otherwise you'll keep getting terrible mistakes like this.

And what if a handball is called that wasnt actually a handball?  Do you review it?  and give a penalty kick? 

Why does any of that even matter? The offense and the defense are not different teams, they're different relative terms each team has during the game, where there is no real 'set' downs or innings. Much in the same way that in Rugby, Hockey, and even to a lesser degree basketball, fluid games don't need to define "offense" and "defense" as sternly.

So who cares? Just review every goal. Who cares if its unfair to the defense? It's unfair to BOTH defenses.

Wait wait...I just got deja vu.

Am I supposed to say give Barack a fair shot to justify his presidency now? Universal health care is not socialism? There's something familiar about this conversation....

[BballTim]

FIFA should have replays. It's 2009 now. Come on. Whole nations sway with every single play. We don't really have anything like you have on a national level, thebirdman, so that must be pretty awesome. It was tough to see the Irish players bawling: it shows you how much it means.

Replays like in replaying the game where officials made mistakes?

Every football season there are literally hundreds of teams that lose games due to officiating mistakes. It's part of the game. What's the big drama now?

The whining of the Irish - one would think they had never won a game because of referees making bad calls in their benefit - is embarrassing.

There should be a review of offsides and handballs that result in goals. In world cup matches its not cost prohibitive, and it would result in a fairer overall competition.

What's wrong with that?

  First of all it's not that cut and dried. Some of the offsides are really close and you'd need the proper camera angle to get the call right. It's not that unusual for the replays you see on tv to be inconclusive. Also, play's continuing while you're reviewing the play. In the time it takes to really review a play a lot can happen on the field. Plus, what happens if it's called offside if it's not? Do you always continue play, even when it's offside, just in case the play is reviewed? Even on handballs (handling) it's not a simple call. they don't blow the whistle every time the ball hits a player's hand like they do when a football player steps out of bounds or his knee hits the ground when he's tackled. What if the replay official stops the game for handling when the ref saw the event and decided it was inadvertant? Do they stop the game and discuss it? It would be the equvalent of a referee stopping play while someone's running with the ball while they determine if he stepped out of bounds.

  Plus there are many other plays that would want to be reviewed. Did the ball cross the line? Did the foul occur in the box?

[mrkelly]

I think the worst of this is the fact that Henry presents himself as an ambassador of fair play. Complete hypocrisy from the man who spent a career being 'classy' and threw it all away with blatant cheating.

He was offside, he handled the ball twice and then he celebrated like a complete Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. Even Gallas looked embarrassed as he was heading the ball in.

[scoop]

It'd slow down the game too much.

Any more than diving already does? Anymore than the celebrations after a made goal does? I don't buy it.

Especially when the average number of goals in soccer that'd be reviewable is rather low per match.

Reviewing only plays that resulted in a scoring goal would be highly unfair - more unfair that the current status quo. Nobody cares about the time lost in celebrating a goal (as long as it's reasonable) that's part of the game as well. Diving is already punished.

Using replays for every off-side situation would completely spoil the game. There are dozens of them during a game.

The only reasonable alternative is to give each team 1 (or 2) challenges per game. I still don't think that the benefit would be sizeable.

[angryguy77]

Dont care about the topic, but love the title of this thread rofl

[mrkelly]

FIFA should unilaterally adopt what they did in the Europa Cup this season -- an extra ref behind the goals. If he's there, he no doubt sees the double hand ball, books Henry for it, and this topic never exists.

[BballTim]

FIFA should unilaterally adopt what they did in the Europa Cup this season -- an extra ref behind the goals. If he's there, he no doubt sees the double hand ball, books Henry for it, and this topic never exists.

  It doesn't always work like that though. Sometime the ref and the assistant ref will see the same play ond one of them will think it's a foul and the other won't.

[crownsy]

FIFA should unilaterally adopt what they did in the Europa Cup this season -- an extra ref behind the goals. If he's there, he no doubt sees the double hand ball, books Henry for it, and this topic never exists.

  It doesn't always work like that though. Sometime the ref and the assistant ref will see the same play ond one of them will think it's a foul and the other won't.

This happens in baseball too and the conference real quick. His solution works.

If the proposed ref had been there in this game, the play would have continued, and after france scored the hypothetical back judge could have waived it off, similar to what they do when a play resulting from an off-sides is allowed to continue.

[mrkelly]

True, and they will obviously have to learn to communicate between eachother as in football or basketball, but it worked pretty well in the test run so far, so why not at least try it?

Right now, the sad reality is that Ireland got blatantly cheated by both Henry and the linesman (how do you not see Henry is offside before the handball?) and it's not the first nor is it the last time it will happen. Unless something is done, it's going to continue happening.

[Rondo2287]

FIFA should have replays. It's 2009 now. Come on. Whole nations sway with every single play. We don't really have anything like you have on a national level, thebirdman, so that must be pretty awesome. It was tough to see the Irish players bawling: it shows you how much it means.

Replays like in replaying the game where officials made mistakes?

Every football season there are literally hundreds of teams that lose games due to officiating mistakes. It's part of the game. What's the big drama now?

The whining of the Irish - one would think they had never won a game because of referees making bad calls in their benefit - is embarrassing.

There should be a review of offsides and handballs that result in goals. In world cup matches its not cost prohibitive, and it would result in a fairer overall competition.

What's wrong with that?

They never stop the clock though, how does that work?  The only time play really stops for an extended period of time is when somebody is on the ground pretending like they got tripped.

I am aware of how soccer time keeping works.

You just add "review time" to stoppage and injury time. The refs already deal with that exact issue.

Congrats.

But when you look at other sports will replays, they only do it after a stoppage in play.  You are talking about only doing it in the case of plays that result in goals, but isnt that not fair to the offensive team?  If a defender gets away with a handball the prevents a goal and there is no review thats not fair to the offensive team since the same vioaltion on their part means a goal will get taken away.

Sarcasm aside Rondo2287, you could broaden the review criteria to be fair to both offensive and defensive teams. And if a handball is used to stop a potential goal you can award a PK or a free kick, just like any other foul.

Its feasible and needs to happen. Otherwise you'll keep getting terrible mistakes like this.

And what if a handball is called that wasnt actually a handball?  Do you review it?  and give a penalty kick? 

Why does any of that even matter? The offense and the defense are not different teams, they're different relative terms each team has during the game, where there is no real 'set' downs or innings. Much in the same way that in Rugby, Hockey, and even to a lesser degree basketball, fluid games don't need to define "offense" and "defense" as sternly.

So who cares? Just review every goal. Who cares if its unfair to the defense? It's unfair to BOTH defenses.

Wait wait...I just got deja vu.

Am I supposed to say give Barack a fair shot to justify his presidency now? Universal health care is not socialism? There's something familiar about this conversation....

What does this mean?

[BballTim]

FIFA should unilaterally adopt what they did in the Europa Cup this season -- an extra ref behind the goals. If he's there, he no doubt sees the double hand ball, books Henry for it, and this topic never exists.

  It doesn't always work like that though. Sometime the ref and the assistant ref will see the same play ond one of them will think it's a foul and the other won't.

This happens in baseball too and the conference real quick. His solution works.

If the proposed ref had been there in this game, the play would have continued, and after france scored the hypothetical back judge could have waived it off, similar to what they do when a play resulting from an off-sides is allowed to continue.

  But in baseball they confer after the play is dead, not while play is ongoing. It's great when there's a goal immediately after the handball but that's not always the case. What if, after the handball, the opposing team gets the ball and starts a break the other way. Do you stop them for the handball? What if a defender handles the ball outside the box, the ref misses it, and while the "extra ref" is communicating what happens there's a foul in the box? Do you take away the pk to give them the earlier foul? What if a goal is scored after a foul the ref missed? Do you take it off the board and bring the play back? What if the defense handles the ball in the box, the ref misses it and another defender earns a red card on the next foul? Do you leave him on the game?

  Except for the cut and dried case where there's a stoppage immediately after the missed call it's literally like stopping fielders and baserunners while they have their conference and re-starting them after they decide.

[Rondo2287]

FIFA should unilaterally adopt what they did in the Europa Cup this season -- an extra ref behind the goals. If he's there, he no doubt sees the double hand ball, books Henry for it, and this topic never exists.

  It doesn't always work like that though. Sometime the ref and the assistant ref will see the same play ond one of them will think it's a foul and the other won't.

This happens in baseball too and the conference real quick. His solution works.

If the proposed ref had been there in this game, the play would have continued, and after france scored the hypothetical back judge could have waived it off, similar to what they do when a play resulting from an off-sides is allowed to continue.

  But in baseball they confer after the play is dead, not while play is ongoing. It's great when there's a goal immediately after the handball but that's not always the case. What if, after the handball, the opposing team gets the ball and starts a break the other way. Do you stop them for the handball? What if a defender handles the ball outside the box, the ref misses it, and while the "extra ref" is communicating what happens there's a foul in the box? Do you take away the pk to give them the earlier foul? What if a goal is scored after a foul the ref missed? Do you take it off the board and bring the play back? What if the defense handles the ball in the box, the ref misses it and another defender earns a red card on the next foul? Do you leave him on the game?

  Except for the cut and dried case where there's a stoppage immediately after the missed call it's literally like stopping fielders and baserunners while they have their conference and re-starting them after they decide.

Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier but worded much better, TP

[PosImpos]

Sounds like it was the refs fault to me.

[indeedproceed]

FIFA should have replays. It's 2009 now. Come on. Whole nations sway with every single play. We don't really have anything like you have on a national level, thebirdman, so that must be pretty awesome. It was tough to see the Irish players bawling: it shows you how much it means.

Replays like in replaying the game where officials made mistakes?

Every football season there are literally hundreds of teams that lose games due to officiating mistakes. It's part of the game. What's the big drama now?

The whining of the Irish - one would think they had never won a game because of referees making bad calls in their benefit - is embarrassing.

There should be a review of offsides and handballs that result in goals. In world cup matches its not cost prohibitive, and it would result in a fairer overall competition.

What's wrong with that?

They never stop the clock though, how does that work?  The only time play really stops for an extended period of time is when somebody is on the ground pretending like they got tripped.

I am aware of how soccer time keeping works.

You just add "review time" to stoppage and injury time. The refs already deal with that exact issue.

Congrats.

But when you look at other sports will replays, they only do it after a stoppage in play.  You are talking about only doing it in the case of plays that result in goals, but isnt that not fair to the offensive team?  If a defender gets away with a handball the prevents a goal and there is no review thats not fair to the offensive team since the same vioaltion on their part means a goal will get taken away.

Sarcasm aside Rondo2287, you could broaden the review criteria to be fair to both offensive and defensive teams. And if a handball is used to stop a potential goal you can award a PK or a free kick, just like any other foul.

Its feasible and needs to happen. Otherwise you'll keep getting terrible mistakes like this.

And what if a handball is called that wasnt actually a handball?  Do you review it?  and give a penalty kick? 

Why does any of that even matter? The offense and the defense are not different teams, they're different relative terms each team has during the game, where there is no real 'set' downs or innings. Much in the same way that in Rugby, Hockey, and even to a lesser degree basketball, fluid games don't need to define "offense" and "defense" as sternly.

So who cares? Just review every goal. Who cares if its unfair to the defense? It's unfair to BOTH defenses.

Wait wait...I just got deja vu.

Am I supposed to say give Barack a fair shot to justify his presidency now? Universal health care is not socialism? There's something familiar about this conversation....

What does this mean?

Usually when I'm making a "who cares? we should have it both ways" point its in the current event forum. I dunno sounded funnier in my head.