Heat (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 1 Game #1 4/21/24

[SHAQATTACK]

This is a general question about Doris Burke and not specific to this game.

Has she always been as annoying as she is now?  I could have sworn that for awhile I thought she was really good.

Is my mind playing tricks on me or did she become more unbearable as she became a bigger on air personality?

She's gotten noticeably worse.   I don't know if the change got attributed to ego, the ESPN suits pressing for something, or growing more personal connections with certain players (cough...Embiid...cough) thus skewing her opinions but her commentary has certainly seemed to evolve in a detrimental way the past couple of seasons.

100% true …her takes are now more partial for and against certain teams. The Celtics are a favorite target , but she has a definite jones for the Heat ( I hate Heat and I notice it)

[Vermont Green]

There's an alternate angle out there now that pretty clearly shows Jrue shoving Caleb Martin into Tatum.  It's still "screw Caleb Martin" as far as I'm concerned, but that play now appears unfortunate (and probably should have been a foul on Jrue) as opposed to anything malicious.

Now the argument that the starters shouldn't have been out there in the first place?  I don't disagree.  It was at 31 with eight minutes left.  Your backup PG closed the year on a heater.  Let him finish the job.  Miami played this game clean enough, but I'm not trying to give them more opportunities to change that than absolutely necessary.

There was some level of push by Holiday but not enough to say the push was the cause of the contact with Tatum.  Martin was reckless but probably not flagrant.  If it was football, I would call it unnecessary roughness.  I like how Tatum handled it.

[ozgod]

This is a general question about Doris Burke and not specific to this game.

Has she always been as annoying as she is now?  I could have sworn that for awhile I thought she was really good.

Is my mind playing tricks on me or did she become more unbearable as she became a bigger on air personality?

She's gotten noticeably worse.   I don't know if the change got attributed to ego, the ESPN suits pressing for something, or growing more personal connections with certain players (cough...Embiid...cough) thus skewing her opinions but her commentary has certainly seemed to evolve in a detrimental way the past couple of seasons.

100% true …her takes are now more partial for and against certain teams. The Celtics are a favorite target , but she has a definite jones for the Heat ( I hate Heat and I notice it)

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EDIT: My screenshot included some foul language from that subreddit which I edited out 

[Phantom255x]

This is a general question about Doris Burke and not specific to this game.

Has she always been as annoying as she is now?  I could have sworn that for awhile I thought she was really good.

Is my mind playing tricks on me or did she become more unbearable as she became a bigger on air personality?

I’m with you.  I remember liking her a few years ago, but now I really don’t.

She has a HUGE bias for the Sixers, which she even admits. It's because her son-in law and a few other family/relatives are from Philadelphia. So of course when Embiid makes a wide open jumper she calls him "a specimen" lol. And lets not forget last year's BOS-PHI series. So much excitement in Game 6 up until Tatum ripped their hearts, then Doris sounded like it was a funeral happening.

Besides that, she was great a few years ago but like others have mentioned, there are times now where it feels like she just rambles for the sake of it and tries to make jokes which don't really land and even Breen/Reddick lowkey are like "huh". Also tbh I think Reddick tolerates her but doesn't really enjoy commentating with her. There's a clip on Twitter where Doris is just talking and Reddick is making facial expressions like he's trying to watch/commentate the game but is like "omg Doris please stop" 

[Celtics2021]

This is a general question about Doris Burke and not specific to this game.

Has she always been as annoying as she is now?  I could have sworn that for awhile I thought she was really good.

Is my mind playing tricks on me or did she become more unbearable as she became a bigger on air personality?

I’m with you.  I remember liking her a few years ago, but now I really don’t.

She has a HUGE bias for the Sixers, which she even admits. It's because her son-in law and a few other family/relatives are from Philadelphia. So of course when Embiid makes a wide open jumper she calls him "a specimen" lol. And lets not forget last year's BOS-PHI series. So much excitement in Game 6 up until Tatum ripped their hearts, then Doris sounded like it was a funeral happening.

Besides that, she was great a few years ago but like others have mentioned, there are times now where it feels like she just rambles for the sake of it and tries to make jokes which don't really land and even Breen/Reddick lowkey are like "huh". Also tbh I think Reddick tolerates her but doesn't really enjoy commentating with her. There's a clip on Twitter where Doris is just talking and Reddick is making facial expressions like he's trying to watch/commentate the game but is like "omg Doris please stop" 

With regard to Reddick, I think that’s a JJ thing not a Doris thing.  He and Richard Jefferson pretty much insulted each other the entire game the few of their pairings I watched, so Doris would be the second co-commentator he can’t stand.

[celticinorlando]

Doris Burke is a Philly homer. Knicks fans are saying the same thing. She does not like Boston and never misses an opportunity to judge them differently than anyone else.

As for the Heat, they can't win unless they turn this into ugly basketball. Jovic said after the game the zone does not work vs Boston because of KP. This means Miami is going to try to junk it up and be overly physical thinking it will work with Boston.

[Vermont Green]

I dug into the line ups a little.  Tatum played 13.2 minutes on the court with Horford, Pritchard, Hauser (3 bench guys), and 0.5 min with two of the 3.  Brown played 0.5 min with 3 bench guys, and 6.3 with 2 bench guys.  This continues a pattern from the regular season where it is Tatum that is generally anchoring the bench unit over Brown.  Brown was more the bench anchor last regular season.

I wonder if this is the best thing if one of the goals is to have Tatum at his best at the end of the game.  I would think that when he is on the court with 3 bench guys vs the starters, that he expends more energy.  If you expend more energy through the course of the game, you are going to have a little less at the end, especially if you are playing more overall minutes in the playoffs.

Another thing with this is when it was Tatum but not Brown, BOS was +3, Brown but not Tatum, +17.  You could look at that and say Brown was better than Tatum, but most of that time without Tatum was when Brown was on the court with all starters except Horford in for Tatum.  In the time it was Tatum without Brown, most of it was 3 bench guys and either White or Holiday.

[Roy H.]

Regarding Scal's conspiracy theory about Spoelstra calling timeout and then Martin immediately committing the awkward foul:  apparently Spoelstra called the timeout to challenge a play.

[angryguy77]

Regarding Scal's conspiracy theory about Spoelstra calling timeout and then Martin immediately committing the awkward foul:  apparently Spoelstra called the timeout to challenge a play.

Both could be true. Scal was on the lebetard(sp) show and explained he didn't think Spo said go out and hurt someone, but go send a message.
It was reckless and Martin doesn't get a pass for that play. He made no attempt at the ball, it was a clear attempt to foul hard. We're lucky there's no broken tailbone or arm as a result of that play.

[angryguy77]

There's an alternate angle out there now that pretty clearly shows Jrue shoving Caleb Martin into Tatum.  It's still "screw Caleb Martin" as far as I'm concerned, but that play now appears unfortunate (and probably should have been a foul on Jrue) as opposed to anything malicious.

Now the argument that the starters shouldn't have been out there in the first place?  I don't disagree.  It was at 31 with eight minutes left.  Your backup PG closed the year on a heater.  Let him finish the job.  Miami played this game clean enough, but I'm not trying to give them more opportunities to change that than absolutely necessary.

Caleb jumped on his own, and never went for the ball. Jru's push didn't cause that.

[celticinorlando]

No doubt Miami is going to play harder and try to play with more force in game 2. Celtics need to be ready for it.

[SparzWizard]

If they're gonna be physical, watch out for those Draymond Green-like plays. Those football tackles, elbow swings, attacking a player head on.

Wish we had an enforcer like Perkins. He'll do anything physical with opposing players and get suspended. Or a Ron Arrest type of guy. Help take out their best players. Pat Riley want thuggish plays then they got one. These two teams hate each other, esp dating back to the LeBron vs Big 3 days.

[RMO]

This is a general question about Doris Burke and not specific to this game.

Has she always been as annoying as she is now?  I could have sworn that for awhile I thought she was really good.

Is my mind playing tricks on me or did she become more unbearable as she became a bigger on air personality?

I’m with you.  I remember liking her a few years ago, but now I really don’t.

She has a HUGE bias for the Sixers, which she even admits. It's because her son-in law and a few other family/relatives are from Philadelphia. So of course when Embiid makes a wide open jumper she calls him "a specimen" lol. And lets not forget last year's BOS-PHI series. So much excitement in Game 6 up until Tatum ripped their hearts, then Doris sounded like it was a funeral happening.

Besides that, she was great a few years ago but like others have mentioned, there are times now where it feels like she just rambles for the sake of it and tries to make jokes which don't really land and even Breen/Reddick lowkey are like "huh". Also tbh I think Reddick tolerates her but doesn't really enjoy commentating with her. There's a clip on Twitter where Doris is just talking and Reddick is making facial expressions like he's trying to watch/commentate the game but is like "omg Doris please stop"

I picked up on that yesterday (not sure if that's the clip going around).  I believe she was paying him a compliment.  They cut to them and he couldn't seem more disinterested in what she was saying.  There was an awkward silence when she was done.

[Who]

Doris was on JJ's podcast. They seemed to get along well. Friendly. JJ seemed to hold her in pretty high regard.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Regarding Scal's conspiracy theory about Spoelstra calling timeout and then Martin immediately committing the awkward foul:  apparently Spoelstra called the timeout to challenge a play.

Both could be true. Scal was on the lebetard(sp) show and explained he didn't think Spo said go out and hurt someone, but go send a message.
It was reckless and Martin doesn't get a pass for that play. He made no attempt at the ball, it was a clear attempt to foul hard. We're lucky there's no broken tailbone or arm as a result of that play.

I also saw the other angle and Holiday pushed Martin as he was headed for JT, which threw off his jump if he was going to jump...so it wasn't a dirty play....but I won't put anything past the cHeat to CHEAT and try to hurt someone.