The price for John Collins

[perks-a-beast]

Collins is reportedly disgruntled with his role on the Hawks, and may be on the trading block.

JC and the Celtics aren’t exactly what I would call a natural fit, but if the price is right I would love to see him on this team.

So what do you think it would cost Boston to acquire him?

If it only takes Smart, Grant, Romeo, and a protected 1st rounder, I’d do it. Collins doesn’t exactly solve our issues with ball movement or defense, but shoots it from deep at a high level and is a big time pick and roll threat.

What’s the most you would give up for JC?

[Celtics2021]

Every report out there says the price from Boston is Jaylen.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Every report out there says the price from Boston is Jaylen.

That would be pretty awful

[Roy H.]

Every report out there says the price from Boston is Jaylen.

Yeah, and that's crazy talk.  I like Collins a lot, but JB is a step above him.

[todd_days_41]

Every report out there says the price from Boston is Jaylen.

That would be pretty awful

I don't think the Hawks have any hope of getting a player of Brown's caliber for Collins. They'll have to sell him for multiple upside and role pieces instead, IMO.

[Androslav]

Collins doesn't seen like a good fit here, even if we were able to get him without giving up JB.

[Celtics2021]

Collins is reportedly disgruntled with his role on the Hawks, and may be on the trading block.

JC and the Celtics aren’t exactly what I would call a natural fit, but if the price is right I would love to see him on this team.

So what do you think it would cost Boston to acquire him?

If it only takes Smart, Grant, Romeo, and a protected 1st rounder, I’d do it. Collins doesn’t exactly solve our issues with ball movement or defense, but shoots it from deep at a high level and is a big time pick and roll threat.

What’s the most you would give up for JC?

What overall defensive issues do you think are a problem?

[Moranis]

It'd probably have to be Brown, but I think you could potentially work something out that at least gets the value more in line

Boston - Collins, Hunter, Okongwu, Dallas 2nd
Dallas - Schroder, Fernando
Atlanta - Brown, Kleber

I most likely wouldn't do this, but it is something that I think makes decent sense for all 3 teams and gets the value of Brown more in line. 

[Celtics2021]

Every report out there says the price from Boston is Jaylen.

Yeah, and that's crazy talk.  I like Collins a lot, but JB is a step above him.

Yeah, and that’s why I think Collins isn’t going anywhere this season.  They also want to use him in a Simmons trade.  But maybe Collins ultimately complains loudly enough so that we can send Al and multiple for Collins and Dieng (salary’s match to the dollar).  Horford returning to Atlanta could inject some good energy to their team.  (I know, not happening, but I can dream, right?)

[Donoghus]

Hard pass on giving up Jaylen for Collins.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I legit think that scoring forwards who don't create shots for others and play meh defense are some of the least valuable players in the NBA. The ppg end up looking good and artificially inflating their value, but they do not help their teams win.

I will admit, the one thing Collins has going for him is that he's become a 43% three point shooter, but its only on 3 shots a game. He doesn't really stretch the defense out throughout the game. He can score off of other creators at a really high level, but most NBA forwards can score off of other shot creators. The additional efficiency Collins brings is nice, but it's not so much that it raises a team's offense significantly.

But then if you sign him to a big contract and he's averaging 17 ppg, you've got to get him the ball. The problem is that he doesn't create for others. He's figured out the little dump off pass to Capella on his rolls with Young, and he can occasionally hit the corner guy on those rolls, but he doesn't make his teammates better on offense.

Then you have the problem on the other side of the ball. Scoring forwards like him often stay lighter so they can drive to the basket, but that means they struggle to guard centers. For whatever reason, these scoring forwards are often really bad at staying in front of their man when they drive and rotating to the help their teammates.

So having a player like this caps out your offense because you have to give them the ball even though they don't make their teammates better, and you have to gameplan around their defense because of miscues and their poor flexibility.

If you want a little more scoring at that position, I think you can get rough approximations of what Collins brings offensively for much cheaper like Kuzma, Anthony, Green, Bagley, Barnes, etc.

However, I think it's more important to have low usage guys with defensive versatility at that position (if you have your top two scorers/shot creators already) in guys like Al Horford, PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder, Robert Covington, Larry Nance Jr., or even a guy like Grant Williams.

[Roy H.]

I legit think that scoring forwards who don't create shots for others and play meh defense are some of the least valuable players in the NBA. The ppg end up looking good and artificially inflating their value, but they do not help their teams win.

Doesn't a guy like Collins help his teammates through floor spacing and a guy who always has to be covered?  He's also capable of playing small ball center.

I want to see a scenario where we land Collins and Brunson without giving up the Jays.  That would have me feeling optimistic about the team again, haha.

[wdleehi]

Why does he want out of Atlanta? 


If he is not happy with his role on offense, does it improve in Boston?   



Trading Brown is a non-starter.   

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I legit think that scoring forwards who don't create shots for others and play meh defense are some of the least valuable players in the NBA. The ppg end up looking good and artificially inflating their value, but they do not help their teams win.

Doesn't a guy like Collins help his teammates through floor spacing and a guy who always has to be covered?  He's also capable of playing small ball center.

I want to see a scenario where we land Collins and Brunson without giving up the Jays.  That would have me feeling optimistic about the team again, haha.

You'd think so but it really doesn't end up working like that. It ends up being the type of defensive scheme where you try to encourage Collins to play hero ball.

And he might play small-ball center, but doesn't do it well.

[Smartacus]

Every report out there says the price from Boston is Jaylen.

Yeah, and that's crazy talk.  I like Collins a lot, but JB is a step above him.

Yeah, and that’s why I think Collins isn’t going anywhere this season.  They also want to use him in a Simmons trade.  But maybe Collins ultimately complains loudly enough so that we can send Al and multiple for Collins and Dieng (salary’s match to the dollar).  Horford returning to Atlanta could inject some good energy to their team.  (I know, not happening, but I can dream, right?)

I think the real question is would either team be interested in:

Marcus Smart -  Al Horford (Picks?)
for
John Collins and Bogdan Bogdanovic

You would sell that trade by the Hawks getting a massive culture infusion and a stout defender to put next to Trae Young. Young - Smart could be one of the most dynamic backcourts in the league and Capela - Horford is a great bigman rotation with most of Horford's deal coming off the books next season.

For the Celtics the hang-up would be if Collins and Robert Williams could play together. If the answer is no than you have to keep RWIII and walk away from Collins. Bogdan was a player highly coveted by our biggest rival in the East Milwaukee, I think he'd be a great addition to the team.