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Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #120 on: May 09, 2021, 10:12:38 AM »

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Somewhat of a tangent, but I feel quite vindicated by how strong the 2020 draft was for role players, as I said it would be. From the first round there are only four players not playing 10+ minutes a night - Jalen Smith, Zeke Nnaji, Leandro Bolmaro and Udoka Azubuike. Three project big men and a Euro stash.

That seems like a pretty solid number for a draft that was heralded as the worst since Anthony Bennett was the #1 pick.
On the other hand, there appears to be zero generational stars, zero future top 10 type guys, possibly only one All-NBA type guy and maybe 2 All-Star types.....maybe.

Yes, a whole bunch of role players, but as a total draft, devoid of real top end talent, it makes it a bad overall draft, as I thought. Drafts aren't usually judged by how many role players it creates. The are judged by how many stars it creates.

So in that way, I feel vindicated.😁
I was really high on Ball and still think he could be a top 10 player in his peak.  I think Edwards very well could be a scoring title champion.  Wiseman certainly looks like a potential All NBA center.  Haliburton has shown at least all star level skills.  And I wouldn't count out the super young guys like Advija, Williams, and Okoro from developing into a solid all star/all defense type players. Sure there is no Zion and maybe no Morant (I think Ball could be as good as Morant) in that draft, but I do think it could be a lot better at the top than 2019 (outside of Zion of course). 

2018 is the best draft of more recent times.  Doncic, Ayton, Young at the top top with guys like SGA, Porter, and Jackson and Bagley (if they get healthy), plus defensive beats like Robinson and really solid starter level players like Brunson and the Bridges, is just a massively good draft and that doesn't even account for guys like Robert Williams, Wendell Carter Jr., etc.  2018 in my mind, is the best draft since 2012.  I don't think 2020 will be that good, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see it better than 2019, 2017, and some others when all is said and done because most of hte top level guys are just super young and raw.  They could flame out of course, but that is why you can't judge these things until a couple of seasons are done.
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Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #121 on: May 09, 2021, 09:36:46 PM »

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Somewhat of a tangent, but I feel quite vindicated by how strong the 2020 draft was for role players, as I said it would be. From the first round there are only four players not playing 10+ minutes a night - Jalen Smith, Zeke Nnaji, Leandro Bolmaro and Udoka Azubuike. Three project big men and a Euro stash.

That seems like a pretty solid number for a draft that was heralded as the worst since Anthony Bennett was the #1 pick.
On the other hand, there appears to be zero generational stars, zero future top 10 type guys, possibly only one All-NBA type guy and maybe 2 All-Star types.....maybe.

Yes, a whole bunch of role players, but as a total draft, devoid of real top end talent, it makes it a bad overall draft, as I thought. Drafts aren't usually judged by how many role players it creates. The are judged by how many stars it creates.

So in that way, I feel vindicated.😁
Oh yeah, for sure. That was why I wanted us, a team with two All-NBA calibre wings and a fringe All-Star PG, to buy into that draft. Could have plugged some holes in our bench.

Instead we traded out and persevere with some very average players
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #122 on: May 10, 2021, 02:45:05 AM »

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Somewhat of a tangent, but I feel quite vindicated by how strong the 2020 draft was for role players, as I said it would be. From the first round there are only four players not playing 10+ minutes a night - Jalen Smith, Zeke Nnaji, Leandro Bolmaro and Udoka Azubuike. Three project big men and a Euro stash.

That seems like a pretty solid number for a draft that was heralded as the worst since Anthony Bennett was the #1 pick.
On the other hand, there appears to be zero generational stars, zero future top 10 type guys, possibly only one All-NBA type guy and maybe 2 All-Star types.....maybe.

Yes, a whole bunch of role players, but as a total draft, devoid of real top end talent, it makes it a bad overall draft, as I thought. Drafts aren't usually judged by how many role players it creates. The are judged by how many stars it creates.

So in that way, I feel vindicated.😁
Oh yeah, for sure. That was why I wanted us, a team with two All-NBA calibre wings and a fringe All-Star PG, to buy into that draft. Could have plugged some holes in our bench.

Instead we traded out and persevere with some very average players
We traded out one guy. It's not like the two guys we drafted moved any needle this year. And it's not like any guy we would have gotten at #30 would have move the needle towards contention either.

I mean, sure, as rookies Pritchard and Nesmith have shown promise, overall their impact has been negligible. Would grabbing one other guy like them have made any difference this year? I doubt it.

What this team needed was a defensive oriented 4 that could score and some veteran 3&D players at other positions. The emphasis being veteran, defense and shooting. There just wasn't any of that at #30.

Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #123 on: May 10, 2021, 03:30:30 AM »

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Somewhat of a tangent, but I feel quite vindicated by how strong the 2020 draft was for role players, as I said it would be. From the first round there are only four players not playing 10+ minutes a night - Jalen Smith, Zeke Nnaji, Leandro Bolmaro and Udoka Azubuike. Three project big men and a Euro stash.

That seems like a pretty solid number for a draft that was heralded as the worst since Anthony Bennett was the #1 pick.
On the other hand, there appears to be zero generational stars, zero future top 10 type guys, possibly only one All-NBA type guy and maybe 2 All-Star types.....maybe.

Yes, a whole bunch of role players, but as a total draft, devoid of real top end talent, it makes it a bad overall draft, as I thought. Drafts aren't usually judged by how many role players it creates. The are judged by how many stars it creates.

So in that way, I feel vindicated.😁
Oh yeah, for sure. That was why I wanted us, a team with two All-NBA calibre wings and a fringe All-Star PG, to buy into that draft. Could have plugged some holes in our bench.

Instead we traded out and persevere with some very average players
We traded out one guy. It's not like the two guys we drafted moved any needle this year. And it's not like any guy we would have gotten at #30 would have move the needle towards contention either.

I mean, sure, as rookies Pritchard and Nesmith have shown promise, overall their impact has been negligible. Would grabbing one other guy like them have made any difference this year? I doubt it.

What this team needed was a defensive oriented 4 that could score and some veteran 3&D players at other positions. The emphasis being veteran, defense and shooting. There just wasn't any of that at #30.
I don't agree at all. I think Tillman is exactly what this team needed as a backup 4/5 insofar as he plays good defence, passes, is a good short roller and can stretch the floor enough to be a threat. Infinitely would have preferred him to Semi and Grant.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #124 on: May 10, 2021, 08:36:49 AM »

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Somewhat of a tangent, but I feel quite vindicated by how strong the 2020 draft was for role players, as I said it would be. From the first round there are only four players not playing 10+ minutes a night - Jalen Smith, Zeke Nnaji, Leandro Bolmaro and Udoka Azubuike. Three project big men and a Euro stash.

That seems like a pretty solid number for a draft that was heralded as the worst since Anthony Bennett was the #1 pick.
On the other hand, there appears to be zero generational stars, zero future top 10 type guys, possibly only one All-NBA type guy and maybe 2 All-Star types.....maybe.

Yes, a whole bunch of role players, but as a total draft, devoid of real top end talent, it makes it a bad overall draft, as I thought. Drafts aren't usually judged by how many role players it creates. The are judged by how many stars it creates.

So in that way, I feel vindicated.😁
Oh yeah, for sure. That was why I wanted us, a team with two All-NBA calibre wings and a fringe All-Star PG, to buy into that draft. Could have plugged some holes in our bench.

Instead we traded out and persevere with some very average players
We traded out one guy. It's not like the two guys we drafted moved any needle this year. And it's not like any guy we would have gotten at #30 would have move the needle towards contention either.

I mean, sure, as rookies Pritchard and Nesmith have shown promise, overall their impact has been negligible. Would grabbing one other guy like them have made any difference this year? I doubt it.

What this team needed was a defensive oriented 4 that could score and some veteran 3&D players at other positions. The emphasis being veteran, defense and shooting. There just wasn't any of that at #30.
I don't agree at all. I think Tillman is exactly what this team needed as a backup 4/5 insofar as he plays good defence, passes, is a good short roller and can stretch the floor enough to be a threat. Infinitely would have preferred him to Semi and Grant.
Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes would have been just what this team needed this year. A rookie that scored 2 points per game more and grabbed 2 rebounds more per game over Grant Williams and maybe might not have picked up the defense quickly, like his fellow rookies didn't, would have done nothing for this team.

Maybe what Tillman will become in 3-5 years would be what the Celtics needed this year, though even that is debatable given how poorly this team has played and how much they were affected by injuries and Covid, but rookie Tillman being what the team needed  this year is a fairly ridiculous comment given everything we have seen happen to this team this year.

Would Tillman have fixed the team's bad defense all by himself? The iso heavy offense? The god awful starts that cause them to fall behind by 20 so much? The turnover problems? The player games missed that caused a severe lack of chemistry? And the craptastic other bench players like Semi, Edwards, Javonte Green, Grant, Waters and Tacko, were they suddenly all going to get better if Tillman was here? Was Stevens coaching decisions going to get that much better because of Tillman?

Come on gouki, you're better than that. You know Tillman wouldn't have made the team any better this year. You might have preferred watching him over a couple other players, but Tillman would not have made this team appreciably better.

And neither would Bane have. They might have been nicer pieces moving forward, but they wouldn't have made any difference this year.

Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #125 on: May 10, 2021, 08:40:27 AM »

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And the craptastic other bench players like Semi, Edwards, Javonte Green, Grant, Waters and Tacko, were they suddenly all going to get better if Tillman was here?

Green would have been cut, so it’s already a step in the right direction.


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Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #126 on: May 10, 2021, 09:32:21 AM »

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Somewhat of a tangent, but I feel quite vindicated by how strong the 2020 draft was for role players, as I said it would be. From the first round there are only four players not playing 10+ minutes a night - Jalen Smith, Zeke Nnaji, Leandro Bolmaro and Udoka Azubuike. Three project big men and a Euro stash.

That seems like a pretty solid number for a draft that was heralded as the worst since Anthony Bennett was the #1 pick.
On the other hand, there appears to be zero generational stars, zero future top 10 type guys, possibly only one All-NBA type guy and maybe 2 All-Star types.....maybe.

Yes, a whole bunch of role players, but as a total draft, devoid of real top end talent, it makes it a bad overall draft, as I thought. Drafts aren't usually judged by how many role players it creates. The are judged by how many stars it creates.

So in that way, I feel vindicated.😁
Oh yeah, for sure. That was why I wanted us, a team with two All-NBA calibre wings and a fringe All-Star PG, to buy into that draft. Could have plugged some holes in our bench.

Instead we traded out and persevere with some very average players
We traded out one guy. It's not like the two guys we drafted moved any needle this year. And it's not like any guy we would have gotten at #30 would have move the needle towards contention either.

I mean, sure, as rookies Pritchard and Nesmith have shown promise, overall their impact has been negligible. Would grabbing one other guy like them have made any difference this year? I doubt it.

What this team needed was a defensive oriented 4 that could score and some veteran 3&D players at other positions. The emphasis being veteran, defense and shooting. There just wasn't any of that at #30.

I think it would have moved the needle this season and going forward. Considering the C’s score on average 112.9ppg and their opponents 111.3ppg, having another solid bench player such as a Tillman or Bane instead of G-League talent like Grant, Edwards, Waters and Tacko would have made a difference. Boston will most likely stay in the 7th seed and have to go through the play in. If the standings stay as is, they get the Nets first round which is the worst case scenario for the C’s. Couple more wins would have been huge.




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Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #127 on: May 10, 2021, 10:10:51 PM »

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Bane tonight with 2-5 from 3 3 rbs and 5 assists 0 turnovers. Could've used another passer.



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« Reply #128 on: May 11, 2021, 06:30:36 AM »

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Better than Grant for sure, but it is water under the bridge.   Desmond Bane is not walking through that door, folks. ;D

Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #129 on: May 11, 2021, 10:19:44 PM »

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Bane had a nice game in a win!

Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #130 on: May 11, 2021, 10:36:44 PM »

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Tillman was better tonight than Thompson.

Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #131 on: May 13, 2021, 05:24:14 PM »

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Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #132 on: May 13, 2021, 06:28:40 PM »

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Better than Grant for sure, but it is water under the bridge.   Desmond Bane is not walking through that door, folks. ;D

But as consolation, we can hope Grant goes out the door

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« Reply #133 on: May 13, 2021, 08:21:50 PM »

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Tillman was better tonight than Thompson.

You will never let Danny forget lol

Bane and Tillman would have been upgrades over Grant and Edwards


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« Reply #134 on: May 16, 2021, 05:04:18 PM »

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Bane is not looking good today.