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Other Discussions => Other / General Sports => Patriots / Football => Topic started by: Neurotic Guy on September 09, 2018, 02:39:18 PM
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Someone had to do it.
Pats get a break on a non-catch by Gronk.
Very nice to see so many contributing on offense. Dorsett with a great drive at the half -- 3 receptions and a TD.
Brady 3 TDs in the half.
On a Patriots competition note, Rothlesberger throws 3 interceptions in the 1st half, yet Steelers lead the Browns 7-0.
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For anyone else doing the nonsensical Garoppolo watch -- 7-17 for 81 yards no TDs so far. Just threw a pick-6.
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For anyone else doing the nonsensical Garoppolo watch -- 7-17 for 81 yards no TDs so far. Just threw a pick-6.
I'm doing the watch for another reason, I start him this week. :-[ :-[ >:( :(
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For anyone else doing the nonsensical Garoppolo watch -- 7-17 for 81 yards no TDs so far. Just threw a pick-6.
I'm doing the watch for another reason, I start him this week. :-[ :-[ >:( :(
Well -- you got your Jimmy G TD -- but looking like this may be his first loss.
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
Brady looked sharp. The interception came on a tip at the line of scrimmage and a good catch by the honey badger. Gronk also fumbled for the first time since like 2012. And some random punt returner for the pats fumbled a punt to give them a shot to get to 20. The patriots outplayed the Texans on both sides of the ball today.
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
Brady looked sharp. The interception came on a tip at the line of scrimmage and a good catch by the honey badger. Gronk also fumbled for the first time since like 2012. And some random punt returner for the pats fumbled a punt to give them a shot to get to 20. The patriots outplayed the Texans on both sides of the ball today.
Good to hear. I did just see some highlights and saw the tipped pass, which wasn't his fault (I wish my fantasy league would take tipped balls into consideration, but I digress).
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
Brady looked sharp. The interception came on a tip at the line of scrimmage and a good catch by the honey badger. Gronk also fumbled for the first time since like 2012. And some random punt returner for the pats fumbled a punt to give them a shot to get to 20. The patriots outplayed the Texans on both sides of the ball today.
I really wasn't 100% sure what to expect. Brady was sharp -- and he also got decent protection most of the game. Gronk was pure Gronk (except for the fumble). The muff was terrible -- Pats would likely have run the clock at that point and won easily.
Protection did start breaking down in the second half and Brady made a few nice escape throws. I liked Dorsett today and they used Patterson very well -- a weapon! James White also a weapon. Rex ran well. The defense also played well -- but not sure if we were mostly seeing a rusty, recovering Watson today -- though the pass rush was impressive.
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
I watched the entire game. Not as close as the final box score. Defense played great in first half then went into a flex eat up the clock give up the run D in 2nd half. Final score never felt in doubt.
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Most encouraging part of the game was the line play. Just excellent on both sides of the ball except for about half a quarter on the offensive side of the ball. But they were playing maybe the most talented and physical defensive line in the league in Watts, Clowney and Mercilus.
Lots of good stuff but lots of stuff for Bill to be upset over and to have them work on. Coaches always love wins like that. Makes for a team not getting to complacent, especially when practicing.
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
Brady looked sharp. The interception came on a tip at the line of scrimmage and a good catch by the honey badger. Gronk also fumbled for the first time since like 2012. And some random punt returner for the pats fumbled a punt to give them a shot to get to 20. The patriots outplayed the Texans on both sides of the ball today.
I really wasn't 100% sure what to expect. Brady was sharp -- and he also got decent protection most of the game. Gronk was pure Gronk (except for the fumble). The muff was terrible -- Pats would likely have run the clock at that point and won easily.
Protection did start breaking down in the second half and Brady made a few nice escape throws. I liked Dorsett today and they used Patterson very well -- a weapon! James White also a weapon. Rex ran well. The defense also played well -- but not sure if we were mostly seeing a rusty, recovering Watson today -- though the pass rush was impressive.
I have to keep reminding myself that they will get their second best weapon back in 3 more weeks. Patterson/ Dorsett both look decent, and for what we need them for, its gravy. The Pat's offense is deep this year. Gronk/Edelman/Hogan/Dorsett/Patterson is very interesting. That's all before you account for Michel/Burkhead/White. I'm ecstatic with the play of Trent Brown. They need him to have a decent year. But boy is he enormous (6'8, 380)
Romo (I believe) was raving about how much better our defense is this year. While I'm sure alot of this was Watson being rusty, the defensive front 7 gave the Texans fits.
Overall an encouraging day.
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People seem pretty impressed by the Pats defense so far (Game 1 in the books)
on this third-and-10 play, the Patriots collapsed the pocket from all directions. Trey Flowers converged from Watson’s right side, and Adrian Clayborn from his left, and then Deatrich Wise Jr., looped around to finish off the sack. Houston settled for a field goal.
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The Patriots sacked Watson a total of three times in their 27–20 win against the Texans, and they hit him 12 times. From the start of the game, they made the second-year quarterback look uncomfortable in a way they hadn’t been able to last year, when Watson passed for 301 yards in just the second start of his NFL career.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/09/patriots-defense-trey-flowers-deatrich-wise-texans-nfl-week-1
But, isn't this more just the case of bad O-Line on the part of Houston rather than a hugely improved Pats D-Line?
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
Brady looked sharp. The interception came on a tip at the line of scrimmage and a good catch by the honey badger. Gronk also fumbled for the first time since like 2012. And some random punt returner for the pats fumbled a punt to give them a shot to get to 20. The patriots outplayed the Texans on both sides of the ball today.
I really wasn't 100% sure what to expect. Brady was sharp -- and he also got decent protection most of the game. Gronk was pure Gronk (except for the fumble). The muff was terrible -- Pats would likely have run the clock at that point and won easily.
Protection did start breaking down in the second half and Brady made a few nice escape throws. I liked Dorsett today and they used Patterson very well -- a weapon! James White also a weapon. Rex ran well. The defense also played well -- but not sure if we were mostly seeing a rusty, recovering Watson today -- though the pass rush was impressive.
I have to keep reminding myself that they will get their second best weapon back in 3 more weeks. Patterson/ Dorsett both look decent, and for what we need them for, its gravy. The Pat's offense is deep this year. Gronk/Edelman/Hogan/Dorsett/Patterson is very interesting. That's all before you account for Michel/Burkhead/White. I'm ecstatic with the play of Troy Brown. They need him to have a decent year. But boy is he enormous (6'8, 380)
Romo (I believe) was raving about how much better our defense is this year. While I'm sure alot of this was Watson being rusty, the defensive front 7 gave the Texans fits.
Overall an encouraging day.
Trent Brown
Unfortunately, Troy Brown is not walking through that door
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
Brady looked sharp. The interception came on a tip at the line of scrimmage and a good catch by the honey badger. Gronk also fumbled for the first time since like 2012. And some random punt returner for the pats fumbled a punt to give them a shot to get to 20. The patriots outplayed the Texans on both sides of the ball today.
I really wasn't 100% sure what to expect. Brady was sharp -- and he also got decent protection most of the game. Gronk was pure Gronk (except for the fumble). The muff was terrible -- Pats would likely have run the clock at that point and won easily.
Protection did start breaking down in the second half and Brady made a few nice escape throws. I liked Dorsett today and they used Patterson very well -- a weapon! James White also a weapon. Rex ran well. The defense also played well -- but not sure if we were mostly seeing a rusty, recovering Watson today -- though the pass rush was impressive.
I have to keep reminding myself that they will get their second best weapon back in 3 more weeks. Patterson/ Dorsett both look decent, and for what we need them for, its gravy. The Pat's offense is deep this year. Gronk/Edelman/Hogan/Dorsett/Patterson is very interesting. That's all before you account for Michel/Burkhead/White. I'm ecstatic with the play of Troy Brown. They need him to have a decent year. But boy is he enormous (6'8, 380)
Romo (I believe) was raving about how much better our defense is this year. While I'm sure alot of this was Watson being rusty, the defensive front 7 gave the Texans fits.
Overall an encouraging day.
Trent Brown
Unfortunately, Troy Brown is not walking through that door
Troy would have been an interesting receiver at that size though.
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I'm glad the Pats won, but it seems (just going by the boxscore; I didn't get to watch it) that it was closer than it should've been. Brady had a solid day, but nothing spectacular (threw a pick, didn't even reach 300 yards—he's my fantasy QB, so I'm a little harder on him :laugh: ), and the offense really sputtered in the second half.
Brady looked sharp. The interception came on a tip at the line of scrimmage and a good catch by the honey badger. Gronk also fumbled for the first time since like 2012. And some random punt returner for the pats fumbled a punt to give them a shot to get to 20. The patriots outplayed the Texans on both sides of the ball today.
I really wasn't 100% sure what to expect. Brady was sharp -- and he also got decent protection most of the game. Gronk was pure Gronk (except for the fumble). The muff was terrible -- Pats would likely have run the clock at that point and won easily.
Protection did start breaking down in the second half and Brady made a few nice escape throws. I liked Dorsett today and they used Patterson very well -- a weapon! James White also a weapon. Rex ran well. The defense also played well -- but not sure if we were mostly seeing a rusty, recovering Watson today -- though the pass rush was impressive.
I have to keep reminding myself that they will get their second best weapon back in 3 more weeks. Patterson/ Dorsett both look decent, and for what we need them for, its gravy. The Pat's offense is deep this year. Gronk/Edelman/Hogan/Dorsett/Patterson is very interesting. That's all before you account for Michel/Burkhead/White. I'm ecstatic with the play of Troy Brown. They need him to have a decent year. But boy is he enormous (6'8, 380)
Romo (I believe) was raving about how much better our defense is this year. While I'm sure alot of this was Watson being rusty, the defensive front 7 gave the Texans fits.
Overall an encouraging day.
Trent Brown
Unfortunately, Troy Brown is not walking through that door
Fixed, thanks Jim.
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
they wanted it a lot more than us for starters
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
I'm gonna go with "Outplayed and outcoached."
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
I'm gonna go with "Outplayed and outcoached."
Basically
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
The defense from Superbowl 52 showed up in Jacksonville, that's how.
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I knew it was a loss the moment they reported it was 97 degrees out with a heat index of 107. This team never has played well in the extreme heat. Hell, Hightower looked gassed after just the first series. It looked like he was running in quicksand all day
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
The defense from Superbowl 52 showed up in Jacksonville, that's how.
They made Bottles look like Brady. He was just cutting them up.
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
The defense from Superbowl 52 showed up in Jacksonville, that's how.
The offense stunk, too.
The Pats miss Cooks. They should gamble on Josh Gordon, although my guess is that Cleveland would prefer to deal with a different team after the Patriots screwed them on Jimmy G.
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
The defense from Superbowl 52 showed up in Jacksonville, that's how.
The offense stunk, too.
The Pats miss Cooks. They should gamble on Josh Gordon, although my guess is that Cleveland would prefer to deal with a different team after the Patriots screwed them on Jimmy G.
I would be completely okay with the Pats giving Gordon a lifeline, if the Browns were okay with it. A receiving group of Edelman/Gordon/Hogan/Dorsett/Gronk & the tailbacks would be quite a handful, when Edelman comes back of course.
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Pats played badly.
But Jags could very well be the best team in the NFL. At least right now.
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
The defense from Superbowl 52 showed up in Jacksonville, that's how.
The offense stunk, too.
The Pats miss Cooks. They should gamble on Josh Gordon, although my guess is that Cleveland would prefer to deal with a different team after the Patriots screwed them on Jimmy G.
I'm still a little perplexed that they traded away Cooks—he was the best vertical threat they'd had since Moss, and he had a pretty good season.
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How did we lose to Jacksonville?
The defense from Superbowl 52 showed up in Jacksonville, that's how.
They made Bottles look like Brady. He was just cutting them up.
New England's recently been making a habit of making mediocre QBs look great.
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Looks like Pats have inside track on getting Josh Gordon per NFL.com.
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Looks like Pats have inside track on getting Josh Gordon per NFL.com.
Done deal for a conditional 5th rounder
Blechhh
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I love it. Flash Gordon baby let’s see what he can do
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Gordon is a massive meathead, headache and locker room problem, but he is incredibly talented. I don't know. Bring him in and if he causes any problems or appears high or drunk, you cut him. What's it going to cost? Conditional 5th rounder. Big deal. It's worth the gamble.
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He has about a $700,000 cap hit. Why not. Prefer him to Dez Bryant is a big way.
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It didn't help that he was catching passes from Hoyer, Weeden, Campbell.
Hope he gets addicted into winning because that's when Tom Brady will change his life forever.
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BB about to be on weei.
Can listen at weei.com
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I love it. Flash Gordon baby let’s see what he can do
https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorcsnow/status/1041794244506279936?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Started off right ;)
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I love it. Flash Gordon baby let’s see what he can do
https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorcsnow/status/1041794244506279936?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Started off right ;)
Niceeee
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Biggest beneficiary: Gronk. Try double teaming Gronk now. And when Edelman returns, this offense could really explode to '07 levels. Lots to get pumped about.
Just stay clean, Josh.
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He has about a $700,000 cap hit. Why not. Prefer him to Dez Bryant is a big way.
What the heck -- bring on Dez too.
I like the trade -- I don't have high hopes, but worth a shot. Maybe guys like Tom, Julian, Slater, McCourtey's can keep him straight, focused, supported. Guerrero -- go get him!
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He has about a $700,000 cap hit. Why not. Prefer him to Dez Bryant is a big way.
What the heck -- bring on Dez too.
I like the trade -- I don't have high hopes, but worth a shot. Maybe guys like Tom, Julian, Slater, McCourtey's can keep him straight, focused, supported. Guerrero -- go get him!
Lol, if we brought in Dez and he returned to his All-Pro level play we would be completely unstoppable
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He has about a $700,000 cap hit. Why not. Prefer him to Dez Bryant is a big way.
What the heck -- bring on Dez too.
I like the trade -- I don't have high hopes, but worth a shot. Maybe guys like Tom, Julian, Slater, McCourtey's can keep him straight, focused, supported. Guerrero -- go get him!
Lol, if we brought in Dez and he returned to his All-Pro level play we would be completely unstoppable
Might need to be unstoppable to win it all this year. I have no faith in this defense being able to stop even mediocre offenses
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He has about a $700,000 cap hit. Why not. Prefer him to Dez Bryant is a big way.
What the heck -- bring on Dez too.
I like the trade -- I don't have high hopes, but worth a shot. Maybe guys like Tom, Julian, Slater, McCourtey's can keep him straight, focused, supported. Guerrero -- go get him!
Lol, if we brought in Dez and he returned to his All-Pro level play we would be completely unstoppable
Might need to be unstoppable to win it all this year. I have no faith in this defense being able to stop even mediocre offenses
Yeah, I can't say I'm getting my hopes up about our defense. Hopefully they start coming into their groove come the colder weather, but that's a pretty dodgy straw to grasp at
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He has about a $700,000 cap hit. Why not. Prefer him to Dez Bryant is a big way.
What the heck -- bring on Dez too.
I like the trade -- I don't have high hopes, but worth a shot. Maybe guys like Tom, Julian, Slater, McCourtey's can keep him straight, focused, supported. Guerrero -- go get him!
Lol, if we brought in Dez and he returned to his All-Pro level play we would be completely unstoppable
Might need to be unstoppable to win it all this year. I have no faith in this defense being able to stop even mediocre offenses
Pretty much how I see it. The Pats may have to score 40 a game to have a legit shot.
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Biggest beneficiary: Gronk. Try double teaming Gronk now. And when Edelman returns, this offense could really explode to '07 levels. Lots to get pumped about.
Just stay clean, Josh.
I'm a pretty big beneficiary, too. Now he'll be helping the Pats and my two fantasy teams. I'm so pumped to see what he can do with a real starting QB
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Maybe the worst half of football by this team in over a decade. If Detroit wasn't a really bad team the score would be 28-3 right now with Detroit getting the ball to start the 2nd half. One of the more embarassing halves of football I have seen from this team this century.
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This team sucks right now.
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This team sucks right now.
"Right now" is the key word. They'll still end up in the Super Bowl.
But man, you're right, both sides of the ball look rough. Brady has 11 completions, 105 yards and an INT. It's hard to believe that this is Tom Terrific.
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This team sucks right now.
"Right now" is the key word. They'll still end up in the Super Bowl.
But man, you're right, both sides of the ball look rough. Brady has 11 completions, 105 yards and an INT. It's hard to believe that this is Tom Terrific.
I'm not so sure about the Superbowl. The year they beat Seattle they had that awful 4th game against KC where they got blown out, but they didn't look equally as bad in the games before that. This is the second just embarassing performance. I will hope that Gordon, Flowers, Chung, Rowe and Edelman will make a huge difference but right now, letting go of Lewis, Butler, Solder and Amendola looks like Belichick just outsmarted himself for a change.
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Every once in a while you see them outplayed and outcoached, but not two games in a row, and right now it also seems like they've been outGMed. Things look pretty awkward. We might learn a lot next week.
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... but right now, letting go of Lewis, Butler, Solder and Amendola looks like Belichick just outsmarted himself for a change.
And Cooks, too. I'm puzzled by not going full "win now" mode with Brady in the latter stages of his career.
I'm probably short-sighted, but post-Brady it's going to be a crap shoot. I would have absolutely maximized the Pats' chances to win another Super Bowl in the next couple of years, and figured out the cap implications down the line.
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... but right now, letting go of Lewis, Butler, Solder and Amendola looks like Belichick just outsmarted himself for a change.
And Cooks, too. I'm puzzled by not going full "win now" mode with Brady in the latter stages of his career.
I'm probably short-sighted, but post-Brady it's going to be a crap shoot. I would have absolutely maximized the Pats' chances to win another Super Bowl in the next couple of years, and figured out the cap implications down the line.
Forgot Cooks but agree 100%. It was time to spend foolishly and get another Superbowl or 2. It wasn't time to be thrifty and looking to build long term success. If they suck this year it's not because Brady fell off some cliff like Max Kellerman will brag about. It's because Belichick screwed up.
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The defense is going to be a year-long problem.
But the offense, I hope they can fix. Gordon and Edelman really need to up their games when they return. I am sick of watching Phillip Dorsett miss catches and running bad routes. Sick of watching Gronk get double-teamed. Cordarelle Patterson? Who is he? I don't want to see Chris Hogan out there playing WR1 when he's a WR3, and risk getting himself hurt.
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The defense is going to be a year-long problem.
But the offense, I hope they can fix. Gordon and Edelman really need to up their games when they return. I am sick of watching Phillip Dorsett miss catches and running bad routes. Sick of watching Gronk get double-teamed. Cordarelle Patterson? Who is he? I don't want to see Chris Hogan out there playing WR1 when he's a WR3, and risk getting himself hurt.
Yeah, trying to replace Cooks with Dorsett is just horrible. We really need Gordon and Edelman
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I agree this isn't the most promising of situations to be in, but it isn't really a fair time to judge this team. In football, one or two plays can make all the difference.
Our defensive line was terrible - especially in the first half - and much of that can be attributed to not having Flowers. The pass TD in the 2nd half where Gilmore was preparing to switch on the cross, but Harmon stood pat shows the loss of Chung. Not having your two best receivers (not including Gronk) is going to make it much easier for any team to stop you. And then there was the game plan of trying to run 2 out of every 3 downs because of the Lions inability last week to stop the run - this is just not the Pats game. Brady needs somebody to throw those quick 5 yard passes to and James White seems like the only player who can catch a pass in that situation.
Anyway, enough excuses. Hopefully they can come out next week and give a better effort. The Pats have shown before that their early season struggles are often worked out later on.
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Should some of the blame for the team’s slow start fall on Brady? After all, it was Tom who decided not to show up for the volunteer workouts in the off season, where chemistry between the quarterback, lineman, and receivers starts to build. Did that also effect the defense, since they were practicing against backup quarterbacks?
Am I the only person who does not see Josh Gordon as this season’s savior? The guy played in only 5 games in 2014, completely missed the 2015 and 2016 seasons, and then only played in 5 games last season. The Patriots supposedly have a very complex offensive system for receivers to pick up. How in the world will Gordon pick it up during the season? The Patriots have had veteran receivers show up during the offseason, who couldn’t pick it up. Julian Edelman will (eventually) be a huge help when he comes back, but I don't have much of a hope for Gordon this season.
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Should some of the blame for the team’s slow start fall on Brady? After all, it was Tom who decided not to show up for the volunteer workouts in the off season, where chemistry between the quarterback, lineman, and receivers starts to build. Did that also effect the defense, since they were practicing against backup quarterbacks?
Am I the only person who does not see Josh Gordon as this season’s savior? The guy played in only 5 games in 2014, completely missed the 2015 and 2016 seasons, and then only played in 5 games last season. The Patriots supposedly have a very complex offensive system for receivers to pick up. How in the world will Gordon pick it up during the season? The Patriots have had veteran receivers show up during the offseason, who couldn’t pick it up. Julian Edelman will (eventually) be a huge help when he comes back, but I don't have much of a hope for Gordon this season.
Most of the blame should go to Belichick, for letting offensive guys like Lewis/Cooks/Amendola/Solder walk and banking on the 32-year old health of Julian Edelman coming off an ACL injury. You're also gonna bank on Josh Gordon to make a huge impact this season. Should just pick up Dez Bryant while they're at it.
And then not fixing the defense after an abysmal Superbowl 52 performance. McCourty looks like a wash, Chung can't chase his own shadow, Rowe who looks like a nobody at this point, and literally no efficient pass rushers and no guys who could stop the run. They also let Butler go.
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truly a must win with the undefeated Dolphins coming to town.
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Pats D looking quicker today against Miami. Coverage seems good (Tannehill has had time, not finding open receivers). Covering the run VERY well so far. Got some pressure last set. Gordon with a reception.
Edit: Of course --- jinx reigns!! As soon as I post, Brady throws a pick.
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Quite a half for the defense. Tannehill unable to find an open receiver most of the half.
Also nice running game for the Pats. Will be great to get Edelman back if this game continues as its going. A little confidence for Patterson and Dorsett (great TD catch for him). And Josh Gordon looks like he can contribute - 1 catch for a first. Had another 1st down reception called back on a penalty.
Dolphins were injury bit on D last week, showing today v. the run.
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It's been a weird football season so far. Every team out there seems to have some serious flaws.
I'm just enjoying the one weekend per decade when my Bears look like the best team in football, haha.
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Good to see Sony Michel have a game.
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Thought offense would get it’s act together. Was pleasantly surprised to see defense play much better. Showed much more speed, pocket pressure and run defense. Can’t wait for Thursday Colts game with Edelman back and Gordon getting more snaps. This offense could be really good. Michel talent starting to show.
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Yikes, Tyler Eifert's ankle injury reminds me a whole lot of Gordon Hayward's injury.... :'(
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Dominating performance by the Pat's tonight. If Hogan and Gronk hold on to those two passes that were intercepted, the Pat's may have put up 50 points.
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Dominating performance by the Pat's tonight. If Hogan and Gronk hold on to those two passes that were intercepted, the Pat's may have put up 50 points.
Incredibly frustrating night to have Brady in fantasy! Put up a really good game, but had 2 cruddy picks.
Can't complain about crushing the Colts though. That Gordon TD catch was awesome
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Dominating performance by the Pat's tonight. If Hogan and Gronk hold on to those two passes that were intercepted, the Pat's may have put up 50 points.
Brady has been far more daring with his throws this season though, hasn't he? Seems like he's gone away from only putting the ball where the receiver can catch it.
That throw to a double covered Gordon was borderline irresponsible, ended up being a heck of a play of course.
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Dominating performance by the Pat's tonight. If Hogan and Gronk hold on to those two passes that were intercepted, the Pat's may have put up 50 points.
Incredibly frustrating night to have Brady in fantasy! Put up a really good game, but had 2 cruddy picks.
Can't complain about crushing the Colts though. That Gordon TD catch was awesome
Kinda true—I have him, and this was by far his best fantasy game this season at 29.5 points, but he could've had AT LEAST a half dozen more points, possibly quite a bit more, if it weren't for those two "interceptions" and Edelman's drop—like, possibly a 40-point night, which is a rarity. But, 29.5 is still pretty dang good.
Dominating performance by the Pat's tonight. If Hogan and Gronk hold on to those two passes that were intercepted, the Pat's may have put up 50 points.
Brady has been far more daring with his throws this season though, hasn't he? Seems like he's gone away from only putting the ball where the receiver can catch it.
That throw to a double covered Gordon was borderline irresponsible, ended up being a heck of a play of course.
Gordon is like a "Moss lite"—Brady had some throws like that during Moss's tenure, and Brady seems to have confidence in Gordon similar to what he had in Moss: Just throw it up, and he'll come down with it.
It's a big IF, but if Gronk, Gordon, Edelman, and White stay healthy, that's just too many great receivers for ANY defense to handle—one in the seam, one deep, one underneath, and one in the flat.
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Dominating performance by the Pat's tonight. If Hogan and Gronk hold on to those two passes that were intercepted, the Pat's may have put up 50 points.
Incredibly frustrating night to have Brady in fantasy! Put up a really good game, but had 2 cruddy picks.
Can't complain about crushing the Colts though. That Gordon TD catch was awesome
Unless I'm misremembering both those passes popped out of the hands of the receivers and both were catchable. It's to bad that is all on Brady but I guess he's used to it.
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Dominating performance by the Pat's tonight. If Hogan and Gronk hold on to those two passes that were intercepted, the Pat's may have put up 50 points.
Brady has been far more daring with his throws this season though, hasn't he? Seems like he's gone away from only putting the ball where the receiver can catch it.
That throw to a double covered Gordon was borderline irresponsible, ended up being a heck of a play of course.
Both balls hit Gronk and Hogan in the hands. Neither was a particularly tough catch to make. Any football coach will tell you if a ball hits you in the hands you better catch it. My high school coach would have players run laps if they dropped passes or interceptions during 11 on 11 scrimages/drills.
Out of the 6 interceptions Brady has thrown this year, 4 have been balls that the receiver should have caught, didn't and the ball deflected into an interception. I guess that makes up for a few years where a bunch of balls weren't caught and the coverage man didn't make the INT when he should have.
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The NFL has almost accomplished its goal of killing defense.
40-40. Crikey.
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Glad to see Brady and Gordon gelling more. Alongside Gronk, Edelman and the two-headed threat in the running back stocks this offence is looking good.
Too bad neither defences in this game are much to write home about
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A Chiefs-Pats playoff matchup would be very entertaining
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My UGA guy Sony Michel has shown a lot of improvement already, with 3 strong weeks in a row.
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A Chiefs-Pats playoff matchup would be very entertaining
Take the over, whatever it is. The defense is a ########## mess, and KC's isn't much better. Hopefully we have homefield in such a matchup, hard to see us getting outscored in a track meet at Foxborough. Especially against a non-Northern team in the dead of winter.
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So the week debate on SBNation was "Who would you give the ball to in a 4th quarter comeback drive- Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady?"
Two-thirds voted Patrick Mahomes.
It was settled.
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So the week debate on SBNation was "Who would you give the ball to in a 4th quarter comeback drive- Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady?"
Two-thirds voted Patrick Mahomes.
It was settled.
43 all time 4th quarter/OT game winning drives in his career and more SB appearances than Mahomes has career starts, and they still pick the young guy, lol. I’m all for young talent, but it seems foolish to not hold on a little bit before calling him better than the GOAT
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So the week debate on SBNation was "Who would you give the ball to in a 4th quarter comeback drive- Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady?"
Two-thirds voted Patrick Mahomes.
It was settled.
43 all time 4th quarter/OT game winning drives in his career and more SB appearances than Mahomes has career starts, and they still pick the young guy, lol. I’m all for young talent, but it seems foolish to not hold on a little bit before calling him better than the GOAT
True. I mean, he had ONE good game against the Broncos with that 4th-quarter comeback drive. But not tonight! Maybe in a few years because this guy so far looks like the real deal. However, it is Tom Brady the GOAT night.
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So the week debate on SBNation was "Who would you give the ball to in a 4th quarter comeback drive- Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady?"
Two-thirds voted Patrick Mahomes.
It was settled.
43 all time 4th quarter/OT game winning drives in his career and more SB appearances than Mahomes has career starts, and they still pick the young guy, lol. I’m all for young talent, but it seems foolish to not hold on a little bit before calling him better than the GOAT
True. I mean, he had ONE good game against the Broncos with that 4th-quarter comeback drive. But not tonight! Maybe in a few years because this guy so far looks like the real deal. However, it is Tom Brady the GOAT night.
In fairness, Mahomes led a 4th quarter comeback, too. It was clear that whoever got the ball last was going to win.
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So the week debate on SBNation was "Who would you give the ball to in a 4th quarter comeback drive- Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady?"
Two-thirds voted Patrick Mahomes.
It was settled.
43 all time 4th quarter/OT game winning drives in his career and more SB appearances than Mahomes has career starts, and they still pick the young guy, lol. I’m all for young talent, but it seems foolish to not hold on a little bit before calling him better than the GOAT
True. I mean, he had ONE good game against the Broncos with that 4th-quarter comeback drive. But not tonight! Maybe in a few years because this guy so far looks like the real deal. However, it is Tom Brady the GOAT night.
In fairness, Mahomes led a 4th quarter comeback, too. It was clear that whoever got the ball last was going to win.
I was actually a little relieved at the speed of that last KC TD. IT left just the right amount of time for a leisurely last drive like the one that occurred. OT would have been too much!
Obviously Mahomes hasn't accomplished Jack diddly,but he is really entertaining - especially with Hill to throw to. Hopefully he stays healthy.
A fine night to have Gostkowski on the old fantasy lineup too. ???
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Entertaining as heck game.
However, it's a bit ridiculous how much the league has started to become Arena League with all the pro-offense maneuvering. Defense has become a joke in the NFL.
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Entertaining as heck game.
However, it's a bit ridiculous how much the league has started to become Arena League with all the pro-offense maneuvering. Defense has become a joke in the NFL.
To be fair, neither the Patriots or Chiefs have good defenses, but here are the other scores from this week 21-0, 27-3, 20-13, 23-17, 23-20, 27-17, 40-7, 34-13, 28-21, 38-14, 31-28, 34-29, 42-34.
So you had 2 shoot outs, 2 high scoring close games, 3 high scoring blow outs (i.e. winner above 30 with loser below 20), 2 low scoring blow outs (i.e. winner below 30 with loser below 10), and 5 mid-tier scoring close games.
Just because the Patriots defense is terrible (as is the Chiefs) doesn't make the league the Arena League.
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Entertaining as heck game.
However, it's a bit ridiculous how much the league has started to become Arena League with all the pro-offense maneuvering. Defense has become a joke in the NFL.
To be fair, neither the Patriots or Chiefs have good defenses, but here are the other scores from this week 21-0, 27-3, 20-13, 23-17, 23-20, 27-17, 40-7, 34-13, 28-21, 38-14, 31-28, 34-29, 42-34.
So you had 2 shoot outs, 2 high scoring close games, 3 high scoring blow outs (i.e. winner above 30 with loser below 20), 2 low scoring blow outs (i.e. winner below 30 with loser below 10), and 5 mid-tier scoring close games.
Just because the Patriots defense is terrible (as is the Chiefs) doesn't make the league the Arena League.
Ummm...you realize that the league is currently on pace to have its highest scoring season of all time, right?
The league has already seen three games this season where both teams have scored 40 or more points. Last time that happened? 1986.
37 games in NFL history where a team has scored 40+ points & lost. 3 of them has happened this season.
The pendulum has swung in great favor of NFL offenses these days.
It doesn't help that the league has protected the QB so much these days that defenders are terrified of getting flagged. See Breeland Speaks last night.
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Entertaining as heck game.
However, it's a bit ridiculous how much the league has started to become Arena League with all the pro-offense maneuvering. Defense has become a joke in the NFL.
To be fair, neither the Patriots or Chiefs have good defenses, but here are the other scores from this week 21-0, 27-3, 20-13, 23-17, 23-20, 27-17, 40-7, 34-13, 28-21, 38-14, 31-28, 34-29, 42-34.
So you had 2 shoot outs, 2 high scoring close games, 3 high scoring blow outs (i.e. winner above 30 with loser below 20), 2 low scoring blow outs (i.e. winner below 30 with loser below 10), and 5 mid-tier scoring close games.
Just because the Patriots defense is terrible (as is the Chiefs) doesn't make the league the Arena League.
Ummm...you realize that the league is currently on pace to have its highest scoring season of all time, right?
The league has already seen three games this season where both teams have scored 40 or more points. Last time that happened? 1986.
37 games in NFL history where a team has scored 40+ points & lost. 3 of them has happened this season.
The pendulum has swung in great favor of NFL offenses these days.
It doesn't help that the league has protected the QB so much these days that defenders are terrified of getting flagged. See Breeland Speaks last night.
I think there's a consensus view that scoring has increased. The NFL loves the influx of new fans with fantasy football and wants to keep eyeballs glued on the product. The Redzone is a good example of this- instead of switching over to any other channel at a commercial break, I will check out Redzone to see what else is going on in the league. With this format, I can watch many of the league's scoring plays on Sunday. There currently exists no similar product for phases of the game when a team has another team pinned near their end zone. Quite simply, people want to see scoring. The NFL would be tone deaf to not give the people what they want.
Last night's game was awesome. The broadcast even billed it as a heavyweight fight b/w QBs. KC and NE have suspect defenses, so the score shouldn't shock anyone. At the same time, Baltimore had 11 sacks yesterday. While the trend towards scoring has increased, let's not get hyperbolic with the lack of D. Last night's game isn't a good example of an average NFL game.
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So the week debate on SBNation was "Who would you give the ball to in a 4th quarter comeback drive- Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady?"
Two-thirds voted Patrick Mahomes.
It was settled.
43 all time 4th quarter/OT game winning drives in his career and more SB appearances than Mahomes has career starts, and they still pick the young guy, lol. I’m all for young talent, but it seems foolish to not hold on a little bit before calling him better than the GOAT
True. I mean, he had ONE good game against the Broncos with that 4th-quarter comeback drive. But not tonight! Maybe in a few years because this guy so far looks like the real deal. However, it is Tom Brady the GOAT night.
In fairness, Mahomes led a 4th quarter comeback, too. It was clear that whoever got the ball last was going to win.
I was actually a little relieved at the speed of that last KC TD. IT left just the right amount of time for a leisurely last drive like the one that occurred. OT would have been too much!
Obviously Mahomes hasn't accomplished Jack diddly,but he is really entertaining - especially with Hill to throw to. Hopefully he stays healthy.
A fine night to have Gostkowski on the old fantasy lineup too. ???
I lost my mind when they only took like 15 seconds to score, on one friggen play. And that Special Teams blunder last night, what the heck? Kickoff ball does not go beyond the end zone but lands just outside for the #1-ranked return team in the NFL to return the ball. And then allowing that 97-yard return...what in the world. Joe Judge needs to be questioned.
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Entertaining as heck game.
However, it's a bit ridiculous how much the league has started to become Arena League with all the pro-offense maneuvering. Defense has become a joke in the NFL.
To be fair, neither the Patriots or Chiefs have good defenses, but here are the other scores from this week 21-0, 27-3, 20-13, 23-17, 23-20, 27-17, 40-7, 34-13, 28-21, 38-14, 31-28, 34-29, 42-34.
So you had 2 shoot outs, 2 high scoring close games, 3 high scoring blow outs (i.e. winner above 30 with loser below 20), 2 low scoring blow outs (i.e. winner below 30 with loser below 10), and 5 mid-tier scoring close games.
Just because the Patriots defense is terrible (as is the Chiefs) doesn't make the league the Arena League.
Ummm...you realize that the league is currently on pace to have its highest scoring season of all time, right?
The league has already seen three games this season where both teams have scored 40 or more points. Last time that happened? 1986.
37 games in NFL history where a team has scored 40+ points & lost. 3 of them has happened this season.
The pendulum has swung in great favor of NFL offenses these days.
It doesn't help that the league has protected the QB so much these days that defenders are terrified of getting flagged. See Breeland Speaks last night.
I think there's a consensus view that scoring has increased. The NFL loves the influx of new fans with fantasy football and wants to keep eyeballs glued on the product. The Redzone is a good example of this- instead of switching over to any other channel at a commercial break, I will check out Redzone to see what else is going on in the league. With this format, I can watch many of the league's scoring plays on Sunday. There currently exists no similar product for phases of the game when a team has another team pinned near their end zone. Quite simply, people want to see scoring. The NFL would be tone deaf to not give the people what they want.
Last night's game was awesome. The broadcast even billed it as a heavyweight fight b/w QBs. KC and NE have suspect defenses, so the score shouldn't shock anyone. At the same time, Baltimore had 11 sacks yesterday. While the trend towards scoring has increased, let's not get hyperbolic with the lack of D. Last night's game isn't a good example of an average NFL game.
yeah, that was my point. There is still plenty of defense to be played. And the 6 defenses in those 3 games, the highest ranked is New Orleans at 17 and 3 of them are bottom 5 defenses. It isn't like teams are beating the Ravens or Bears in shootouts (the top 2 defenses).
And yes teams have been passing more, which generally leads to more scoring (more yards faster and more stopped clocks), but there is still plenty of defense around.
The league is also on pace for more overtime games then ever before as well and there was another one of those yesterday. Not sure why that is, but sometimes weird results happen especially when bad defenses meet good offenses.
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It was nice to read that the Patriots have banned the fan that threw the beer at Tyreek Hill, from all future Gillette Stadium events. The camera showed it for a split second in live action, but had to quickly pan away because of all the fans giving Hill the middle finger. Stay classy Pats fans.
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Gotta give Belichick a ton of credit for taking a RB in the first round. Over the last three weeks, Sony Michel has been one of the top backs rushing the ball in the league. That pick is looking like a steal.
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Gotta give Belichick a ton of credit for taking a RB in the first round. Over the last three weeks, Sony Michel has been one of the top backs rushing the ball in the league. That pick is looking like a steal.
Yep, really good pick. Second best RB in the class so far, and only is second because Barkley is such a monster
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Gotta give Belichick a ton of credit for taking a RB in the first round. Over the last three weeks, Sony Michel has been one of the top backs rushing the ball in the league. That pick is looking like a steal.
Yep, really good pick. Second best RB in the class so far, and only is second because Barkley is such a monster
He is reminding me a lot of Corey Dillon. A strong back that is physical and can move the pile but is quick and shifty enough to cut to a hole and make run with it. That is always a good staple of our offense when we had those backs that makes the defense work and tire them out. With our FB creating hole, that is a great change of pace to go with all of our offensive threats with Gronk, Edelman, Josh and White. Meanwhile, if all those guys are covered, throw in a Hogan platter and keep those guys honest.
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Gordon, Mitchel, Edelman, Gronk
Tom has 4 very nice weapons
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Gotta give Belichick a ton of credit for taking a RB in the first round. Over the last three weeks, Sony Michel has been one of the top backs rushing the ball in the league. That pick is looking like a steal.
Yep, really good pick. Second best RB in the class so far, and only is second because Barkley is such a monster
He is reminding me a lot of Corey Dillon. A strong back that is physical and can move the pile but is quick and shifty enough to cut to a hole and make run with it. That is always a good staple of our offense when we had those backs that makes the defense work and tire them out. With our FB creating hole, that is a great change of pace to go with all of our offensive threats with Gronk, Edelman, Josh and White. Meanwhile, if all those guys are covered, throw in a Hogan platter and keep those guys honest.
Great pick. He was a great player overshadowed by Nick Chubb for most of his time at UGA. After Chibb blew out his knee, you could see that Michel would be the better pro. I dont think he's ever going to make his money juking dbacks in the open field, but he is strong, has breakaway speed, smart, reliable, and blocks well. Also seems like a genuinely good kid. I wish I could pinch his cheeks.
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Josh Gordon received for 100 yards in the absence of Gronk! Awesome to see Brady play with some freakish talent alongside Gronk
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Josh Gordon received for 100 yards in the absence of Gronk! Awesome to see Brady play with some freakish talent alongside Gronk
TP, gouk!
Belichick used Gordon as a 7th defensive back on that insane play at the end of the game that the Bears almost scored on. Gordon missed blocking the pass, but the other 4DBs nearby SOMEHOW kept the receiver outside the end zone. As soon as the receiver turned, I thought he was in. GREAT job by Pats DBs, especially Harmon.
If anybody missed the plaY, HERE IT IS.......staggering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trP06lT_OQs
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James White has to be one of the most underrated players in the league.
Edit: Michel reportedly undergoing an MRI. :(
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Defense continues to act like a sieve. Just don't see this team getting back to the Super Bowl, never mind winning it. Hoping for some good defensive pickups before the trade deadline. Losing Sony really hurts too.
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Report is in on Sony Michel's MRI. Ian Rappoport is reporting that the knee injury isn't as bad as it looked. He will miss some time but be back somewhere down the line. No IR.
Adam Schefter reporting no structural damage to the knee and Michel will be listed week to week.
Sounds like best case scenario after watching how he hurt it
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Had to comment -- Brady with the block.
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This is the first time I've heard Witten commentating a game, and holy crap is he bad. He sounds like a guy that doesn't really watch football
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Had to comment -- Brady with the block.
And then an 8-YARD RUN on third and 7!
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Had to comment -- Brady with the block.
And then an 8-YARD RUN on third and 7!
That was beautiful. But can't find the end zone.
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This is the first time I've heard Witten commentating a game, and holy crap is he bad. He sounds like a guy that doesn't really watch football
Yeah, he and Booger McFarland are not a great replacement for Gruden. Joe Tessitore is fine - not really worse than McDonough or Tirico.
I'm glad we get so much Romo for regular games - he is a bazillion times better than what Witten currently has to offer...maybe he'll get better.
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Not liking this game at all.
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Just another one of your field goal games.
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This game blows. There's a legit chance NE loses. Even if they win, though, their garbage offense has some work to do.
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This game blows. There's a legit chance NE loses. Even if they win, though, their garbage offense has some work to do.
I think they just expected to cruise to a win, bug they are just sleepwalking through this one. Luckily the defense is mostly focused. Hopefully Brady and the offense will wake up in the 4th.
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Looks very close to me -- need another view. Seems Pats could have snapped that ball if they'd hurried.
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Re: the fumble -- the most ho-hum response to a strip and recovery I've ever seen.
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Just awful.
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Looks very close to me -- need another view. Seems Pats could have snapped that ball if they'd hurried.
The 2nd left foot step looked out, but thought he might have just gotten control before lifting his left foot the first time on the catch. It's strange none of the announcers are even acknowledging that his foot was down the first time and only mentioning where he stepped out.
Great, another FG attempt...
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There we go McCourty. Ball game.
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There we go McCourty. Ball game.
Beautiful pick 6. We are truly lucky to be Boston fans.
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There we go McCourty. Ball game.
Can’t believe it’s been 40 games since a defensive TD
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6-2 midway through the season
Ho hum
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Ayyy. Nice TD to White.
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Ayyy. Nice TD to White.
He’s been great this year. Good for a while, but has really impressed this season.
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Ayyy. Nice TD to White.
He’s been great this year. Good for a while, but has really impressed this season.
Isn't White the player with the most receptions in the league this year?
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Cordarrelle Patterson could run!
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Ayyy. Nice TD to White.
He’s been great this year. Good for a while, but has really impressed this season.
Isn't White the player with the most receptions in the league this year?
He may have been at one stage, but I think Thielen is comfortably in the lead at the moment. Think he's almost at 75 already
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Is it my imagination or do these receivers pretty consistently not fight for the ball?
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GB defense owning Pats since Pats had 1st and goal at the 1. Not looking good.
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
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Huge break on the fumble. Also had a huge break on the roughing the kicker play. But this time Pats convert. Looks like GB adjusted well and now Pats throwing different looks.
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
But Pats should have run on 3rd and 4th.
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
The defense has played well. The offensive looks out of sync aside from the trick plays and first drive. Brady isn't playing to his usual standards. The GB defense is depleted. Need to take advantage of that.
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
The defense has played well. The offensive looks out of sync aside from the trick plays and first drive. Brady isn't playing to his usual standards. The GB defense is depleted. Need to take advantage of that.
Reverse jynx. ;D
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
The defense has played well. The offensive looks out of sync aside from the trick plays and first drive. Brady isn't playing to his usual standards. The GB defense is depleted. Need to take advantage of that.
Reverse jynx. ;D
Ha. Right before we sacked Rodgers I observed how our pass rush hadn’t been able to convert. The reverse is real
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
The defense has played well. The offensive looks out of sync aside from the trick plays and first drive. Brady isn't playing to his usual standards. The GB defense is depleted. Need to take advantage of that.
Reverse jynx. ;D
Ha. Right before we sacked Rodgers I observed how our pass rush hadn’t been able to convert. The reverse is real
The Celtics are not going to win the championship this season...
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
The defense has played well. The offensive looks out of sync aside from the trick plays and first drive. Brady isn't playing to his usual standards. The GB defense is depleted. Need to take advantage of that.
Reverse jynx. ;D
Ha. Right before we sacked Rodgers I observed how our pass rush hadn’t been able to convert. The reverse is real
The Celtics are not going to win the championship this season...
You're calling it 9 games in?
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
The defense has played well. The offensive looks out of sync aside from the trick plays and first drive. Brady isn't playing to his usual standards. The GB defense is depleted. Need to take advantage of that.
Reverse jynx. ;D
Ha. Right before we sacked Rodgers I observed how our pass rush hadn’t been able to convert. The reverse is real
The Celtics are not going to win the championship this season...
You're calling it 9 games in?
Going with the reverse jynx while it's working.
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Big game by the defense. Red approves.
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
The defense has played well. The offensive looks out of sync aside from the trick plays and first drive. Brady isn't playing to his usual standards. The GB defense is depleted. Need to take advantage of that.
Reverse jynx. ;D
Ha. Right before we sacked Rodgers I observed how our pass rush hadn’t been able to convert. The reverse is real
The Celtics are not going to win the championship this season...
You're calling it 9 games in?
Going with the reverse jynx while it's working.
Anthony Davis will not join Boston on a Min contract ;)
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Is it just me or does Josh Gordon not look 100 percent out there and hes still kind of ballin lol. I know hamstring injuries tend to linger longer than other injuries
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Pat's defense is looking pretty pathetic. And I'm still scratching my head on that touchdown reversal. There didnt seem like a good angle that showed where the ball was when he was down but at the very least it shouldve been an inch or 2 outside the goal line not the full yard where they spotted it
The defense has played well. The offensive looks out of sync aside from the trick plays and first drive. Brady isn't playing to his usual standards. The GB defense is depleted. Need to take advantage of that.
Reverse jynx. ;D
Ha. Right before we sacked Rodgers I observed how our pass rush hadn’t been able to convert. The reverse is real
Haha I said the same thing in my livingroom. As soon as I talk crap they turn it around. Finally able to pressure Rodgers and get a sack there, coverage seemed alot tighter, and they plugged up that gaping hole that the GB running backs were going through every time. I'll take it!
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Bad game today. Come on Pats!!!
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Nice! Touch down! Now it's only 17 to 10.....
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These guys suck today..
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These guys suck today..
Some days you just don't have it.
Can't help wondering if this is how they'll go down in the playoffs. Feels like a year where they just don't have enough weapons that can create separation.
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What are we the bills?! Everyone has been terrible but I cant remember a worse performance by a patriots o-line. I think we have like 25 rushing yards all game lol
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The problem were the lines. The offensive line was awful. They gave Brady little time and opened no holes for runs. Looks like they are pretty banged up.
The defensive line was equally bad getting little pressure on Mariotta and allowing the Titans enough time to get open receivers in the most inopportune times.
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New England's ability to make mediocre (or worse) teams look good is horribly good, today being just the latest example. Tennessee comes into the game only 4-4, has a mediocre QB and no legitimate offensive studs, and they put up 34 points. And the Pats looked terrible on offense. SMH
I know that I'm typically pessimistic with sports stuff, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm gonna just say it: This is the end of the road for the successful Brady-era Patriots. Brady has declined. Gronk is too beat up. The defense is a joke. And it seems that Belichick has lost his ability to push the right buttons at the right time. I'm sure the Pats will make the playoffs, probably still win their division, maybe even get a home game in the first round, but that's as far as they'll go—I think there's a chance they could make the AFC title game, but they likely won't get even that far. Definitely no Super Bowl appearance. And the Pats might as well start looking for Brady's replacement for next season.
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New England's ability to make mediocre (or worse) teams look good is horribly good, today being just the latest example. Tennessee comes into the game only 4-4, has a mediocre QB and no legitimate offensive studs, and they put up 34 points. And the Pats looked terrible on offense. SMH
I know that I'm typically pessimistic with sports stuff, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm gonna just say it: This the end of the road for the successful Brady-era Patriots. Brady has declined. Gronk is too beat up. The defense is a joke. And it seems that Belichick has lost his ability to push the right buttons at the right time. I'm sure the Pats will make the playoffs, probably still win their division, maybe even get a home game in the first round, but that's as far as they'll go—I think there's a chance they could make the AFC title game, but they likely won't get even that far. Definitely no Super Bowl appearance. And the Pats might as well start looking for Brady's replacement for next season.
I agree about gronk being too banged up and the defense being just terrible. But brady hasn't declined in my eyes. Hes still one of the most accurate qb's in the league. Not like hes throwing ducks out there. How many times did he hit guys in the hands and they dropped it on 3rd down today? Like 4 or 5. Or receivers just not getting to the right spot. There was a play right before halftime where on TV you can clearly see brady say "we just need 5 yards!" And then he tries to throw a 5 yard out to Hogan who just ignored brady and ran an 11 yard out like an idiot and then brady was p---ed.
Itll be just like every other year where brady puts a mediocre defense and abysmal o-line on his back and we start to get a little better come week 16 rolling into the playoffs
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We really needed to pick up a defensive back at the deadline. I'm pretty disappointed about not getting anyone
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New England's ability to make mediocre (or worse) teams look good is horribly good, today being just the latest example. Tennessee comes into the game only 4-4, has a mediocre QB and no legitimate offensive studs, and they put up 34 points. And the Pats looked terrible on offense. SMH
I know that I'm typically pessimistic with sports stuff, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm gonna just say it: This the end of the road for the successful Brady-era Patriots. Brady has declined. Gronk is too beat up. The defense is a joke. And it seems that Belichick has lost his ability to push the right buttons at the right time. I'm sure the Pats will make the playoffs, probably still win their division, maybe even get a home game in the first round, but that's as far as they'll go—I think there's a chance they could make the AFC title game, but they likely won't get even that far. Definitely no Super Bowl appearance. And the Pats might as well start looking for Brady's replacement for next season.
I agree about gronk being too banged up and the defense being just terrible. But brady hasn't declined in my eyes. Hes still one of the most accurate qb's in the league. Not like hes throwing ducks out there. How many times did he hit guys in the hands and they dropped it on 3rd down today? Like 4 or 5. Or receivers just not getting to the right spot. There was a play right before halftime where on TV you can clearly see brady say "we just need 5 yards!" And then he tries to throw a 5 yard out to Hogan who just ignored brady and ran an 11 yard out like an idiot and then brady was p---ed.
Itll be just like every other year where brady puts a mediocre defense and abysmal o-line on his back and we start to get a little better come week 16 rolling into the playoffs
TP, agree. Always here the line 'it's time we look for Brady's replacement' after a bad loss. I still have faith
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New England's ability to make mediocre (or worse) teams look good is horribly good, today being just the latest example. Tennessee comes into the game only 4-4, has a mediocre QB and no legitimate offensive studs, and they put up 34 points. And the Pats looked terrible on offense. SMH
I know that I'm typically pessimistic with sports stuff, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm gonna just say it: This the end of the road for the successful Brady-era Patriots. Brady has declined. Gronk is too beat up. The defense is a joke. And it seems that Belichick has lost his ability to push the right buttons at the right time. I'm sure the Pats will make the playoffs, probably still win their division, maybe even get a home game in the first round, but that's as far as they'll go—I think there's a chance they could make the AFC title game, but they likely won't get even that far. Definitely no Super Bowl appearance. And the Pats might as well start looking for Brady's replacement for next season.
Nah to be honest, you're pretty spot on. I tend to be a very optimistic guy but also someone who is realistic in his line of thinking too.
I think we just have to accept what this Patriots team is, an above average team that will still have a great season (anywhere from 11-5 to 13-3) but will struggle against the elite and unique teams where the lack of true talent/weapons will show on both sides of the ball. And by unique, I mean a team that may have the mobile QB and/or an area in their game where they are underratedly good (for the Titans, they had the #1 scoring defense going into the game, no small feat at all, and of course a fast QB like Mariota who can make plays in many different ways).
Belichick and Brady may still drag this team to the AFC Championship Game again, but they probably aren't beating KC or LAC or PIT (even if the game is at Foxboro). Kind of like 2013 and 2015 where they still made the AFCCG but again, being on the road hurt them and they looked mediocre in those games too (lack of true talent, as I said above).
I do think NE will still finish with the 2 seed with a 12-4 record (which includes a win over Pittsburgh in December so they'll hold off PIT for home field as they finish 11-4-1 IMO), but KC should still finish 14-2 (or 13-3 at worst) and have the 1 seed. Chargers may sneak in and win the division instead of KC, but even if not, they will still be a very dangerous wild card team in the playoffs.
The defense is a joke and yes, I'm getting sick of Gronk too (I mean I love him but at some point they need to make a long-term decision on him, even if it means him just retiring for his health), but while Brady has understandably declined a little, I don't think he's horrible ("falling off a cliff"). He'll still win us games but this O-Line is also looking meh at times and getting injured, which is not good for Brady and the offense. Belichick didn't do a good job this offseason IMO and frankly I don't think this defense has improved much from the same unit that looked putrid in the Super Bowl (ugh...). It's improved a little but clearly not good enough still.
Also just in general, we look great at home but this year we actually look AWFUL on the road. 1-3 and frankly all 3 losses have been real ugly (and the 1 win was super close too).
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I still have faith as well. Still nothing wrong with being disappointed in lackluster performances. I remember in preseason where Pat's defense was supposed to be top 5, can we get back to that? Please? Lol
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Watching the Steelers-Jaguars. Marveling at how Blake Bortles could have beaten the Pats. He is dreadful. Steelers can't muster any offense (yet) -- but with 9 minutes left and down 10, I'd bet heavily that the Steelers will win. This jaguars team is awful (actually, Jags defense has played well) -- Bortles mostly.
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Watching the Steelers-Jaguars. Marveling at how Blake Bortles could have beaten the Pats. He is dreadful. Steelers can't muster any offense (yet) -- but with 9 minutes left and down 10, I'd bet heavily that the Steelers will win. This jaguars team is awful (actually, Jags defense has played well) -- Bortles mostly.
Well... sadly, called that one. Jacksonville is just terrible. Should have won easily.
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Yeah, that's a real shame. It's going to be hard to nail down that bye. Even Houston barely pulled out a win with the Redskins hitting the horizontal part of the goal posts at the buzzer.
We do have a game against the Steelers - hopefully we will have won all other games up to that point.
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Watching the Steelers-Jaguars. Marveling at how Blake Bortles could have beaten the Pats. He is dreadful. Steelers can't muster any offense (yet) -- but with 9 minutes left and down 10, I'd bet heavily that the Steelers will win. This jaguars team is awful (actually, Jags defense has played well) -- Bortles mostly.
Well... sadly, called that one. Jacksonville is just terrible. Should have won easily.
Blake Bortles really is fantastically bad
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Watching the Steelers-Jaguars. Marveling at how Blake Bortles could have beaten the Pats. He is dreadful. Steelers can't muster any offense (yet) -- but with 9 minutes left and down 10, I'd bet heavily that the Steelers will win. This jaguars team is awful (actually, Jags defense has played well) -- Bortles mostly.
Well... sadly, called that one. Jacksonville is just terrible. Should have won easily.
Typical for the Patriots. No one "gets up" for the Chiefs or the Chargers or the Saints or any other really good team, but they do for the Patriots. And the Patriots usually oblige, unfortunately.
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Yeah, that's a real shame. It's going to be hard to nail down that bye. Even Houston barely pulled out a win with the Redskins hitting the horizontal part of the goal posts at the buzzer.
We do have a game against the Steelers - hopefully we will have won all other games up to that point.
Ben was horrendous for nearly 4 quarters. Just played well on last drives. Bortles is about one notch better than me. And I'm 60 and not very good. I can't get over that he beat the Pats.
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Yeah, that's a real shame. It's going to be hard to nail down that bye. Even Houston barely pulled out a win with the Redskins hitting the horizontal part of the goal posts at the buzzer.
We do have a game against the Steelers - hopefully we will have won all other games up to that point.
Ben was horrendous for nearly 4 quarters. Just played well on last drives. Bortles is about one notch better than me. And I'm 60 and not very good. I can't get over that he beat the Pats.
Pats have a way of making bad QBs look good. I still can't get over a back-up in Foles beating the Pats in the SB or Eli freaking Manning taking two more rings away.
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Yeah, that's a real shame. It's going to be hard to nail down that bye. Even Houston barely pulled out a win with the Redskins hitting the horizontal part of the goal posts at the buzzer.
We do have a game against the Steelers - hopefully we will have won all other games up to that point.
Yeah it's unfortunate because it's not just that this Patriots team isn't as talented as previous years... it's also that I feel the AFC this year is so much more balanced than previous years. Like there are 4-5 AFC teams who IMO have a chance at making the SB compared to previous years where it felt like it was either NE and another team. I still think NE could reach the AFCCG but wouldn't be surprised if they were eliminated earlier, the AFC is just a lot better this season and we could have a super tough matchup real early this time around (maybe even a road game in the divisional round).
Houston right now are 7-3 and the 4 seed. NE holds the tiebreaker over them but yeah the margin for error for NE is now real thin.
Pittsburgh does have tough games left as they have a road game @Denver, they face LAC and NE at home, and a road game against the Saints in Week 16.
Still, that Week 15 game between PIT-NE is HUGE as I expect winner of that game is the #2 seed and loser is #3. If HOU had beaten us and held the tiebreaker then it would have been more likely NE actually ended up a 4 seed.
Either way I think IF KC wins tomorrow night, they lock up the #1 seed for good. Don't see them going worse than 14-2 if they win tomorrow night. If the Rams win, we still got a shot (as does PIT) but I think we'd have to win out and KC would still have to lose 1 more (since we hold the tiebreaker over them).
I think NE finishes the season 12-4. That 3 game stretch where they are at home for MIN, road for MIA then road for PIT will be a tough one. If they navigate that 2-1 and win their games against the Jets/Bills (3 games), they'll finish 12-4. Question will be, how does HOU and PIT finish. I think HOU finishes 11-5 but PIT could finish 11-4-1 probably. So yeah, like last year as well, that PIT-NE game is HUGE.
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This Rams/Chiefs game is looking like an All-Star game. Virtually no defense, all offensive firepower.
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This Rams/Chiefs game is looking like an All-Star game. Virtually no defense, all offensive firepower.
Could easily be 100 total points. Crazy
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Lethargic start by Pat's, especially after a bye. Lack of pass rush is killing the team this year. McCown is old and bad but we are going to make him look a superstar because we can't put pressure on him.
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The red Sox world series win sucked all of the winning out of the other teams in town, apparently.
The pats have looked awful for a month or more now.
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The Patriots haven't (yet) reached Celtics-level disappointment for me, but they're not far off. So much offensive talent but so little production, and the defense is its usual junky self. I think Brady might finally be losing it.
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The Patriots haven't (yet) reached Celtics-level disappointment for me, but they're not far off. So much offensive talent but so little production, and the defense is its usual junky self. I think Brady might finally be losing it.
Brady isn't the problem in this game. The problem is stupid penalties and lack of a pass rush.
And in the losses what killed us were our offensive and defensive lines.
Brady has throw the ball away to prevent sacks so many times this year it's ridiculous. And 4 of his interceptions should have been catches but the receiver didn't catch it but deflected it for the INT.
Brady hasn't been last year's MVP good but he isn't the problem with this team.
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The Patriots haven't (yet) reached Celtics-level disappointment for me, but they're not far off. So much offensive talent but so little production, and the defense is its usual junky self. I think Brady might finally be losing it.
Brady isn't the problem in this game. The problem is stupid penalties and lack of a pass rush.
And in the losses what killed us were our offensive and defensive lines.
Brady has throw the ball away to prevent sacks so many times this year it's ridiculous. And 4 of his interceptions should have been catches but the receiver didn't catch it but deflected it for the INT.
Brady hasn't been last year's MVP good but he isn't the problem with this team.
I agree that the lines have been bad, that the pass rush has been bad (as usual), and that Brady's had some bad luck with the INTs. I guess you're right that Brady hasn't been *the* problem, but I still think he's looked a little off.
And, as we just saw, the Patriots still struggle in the red zone.
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Once again making a bad QB look good. I guess if you give any NFL QB lots of time AND you can’t cover, you end up looking good. Jets driving. Geesh.
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10 penalties. Wow.
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Nice play pats. Thanks.
Brady having a decent game. Hasn’t been getting in the end zone as regularly as he should.
Defense can’t allow McCown to feel comfortable. I liked the pressure last series. Do it again — get to him.
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If Sony Michel was healthy all year he would be in the running for rookie of the year
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Nice bounce-back win for the Patriots. Sure, you could say it was just the Jets, but we saw how the team did two weeks ago against an opponent who had been "just the Titans". And divisional road games are NEVER easy and the Jets have actually played us tough at MetLife over the years.
The running game is really helping us as is the addition of Josh Gordon. Even when Gronkowski isn't producing on the stat sheet, he's still helping the other guys by drawing attention and helping other guys get open or gain separation downfield.
And that Pittsburgh loss @Denver was HUGE for us. Now the Pats are in the 2nd seed with a first round bye while PIT falls to #4 (currently HOU is #3 with a game tomorrow night). I know there's still 5 games left in the season and we still play PIT in Week 15, but it's crazy to think that this could be the 2nd straight year PIT loses a first round bye/homefield due to Big Ben throwing a very ill-advised INT in the endzone late in a game (he did it last year against NE as well, when even just a FG ties it and sends it to OT).
With that said, I still think this is one of those years where NE wins 1 playoff game but then either in the AFCCG OR divisional round if they get the #3 seed (on the road), they probably lose to KC/PIT.
I think as long as we go 2-1 in the next 3 weeks (MIN, @MIA, @PIT), we finish 12-4 and as long as PIT doesn't go undefeated the rest of the way, we have the 2 seed. I think KC keeps the 1 seed at 13-3.
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I just read an article that Josh McDaniels is one of the top candidates to land a head coaching job, even after turning his back on the Indianapolis Colts this past off season. This may certainly be true that other teams want him to be their next head coach. However, will assistant coaches leave their current teams/jobs and join him? If I recall, the Colts let the assistants that left their former jobs to join McDaniels, stay on their coaching staff. They weren’t obligated to do that, and the next team may not be so forgiving. Do teams normally interview each assistant coach, or are they part of the package of hiring a new head coach? For me personally, I wouldn’t hire McDaniels to be a head coach, as I couldn’t trust him.
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Man, it sucks that the Pats game superseded the Bears / Giants OT game. That one had some epic plays.
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Man, it sucks that the Pats game superseded the Bears / Giants OT game. That one had some epic plays.
I can't believe the Giants won. The Bears D really disappointed me today in fantasy.
For the Pats, great start, scoring on their first possession. The D gave up a big chunk on Minny's first play, but then recovered and Minny missed a FG. Bonus!
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Man, it sucks that the Pats game superseded the Bears / Giants OT game. That one had some epic plays.
I can't believe the Giants won. The Bears D really disappointed me today in fantasy.
For the Pats, great start, scoring on their first possession. The D gave up a big chunk on Minny's first play, but then recovered and Minny missed a FG. Bonus!
Pat's actually stop Minny on a 3 and out when Minnesota had their first possession. That big run wasn't their first play
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Man, it sucks that the Pats game superseded the Bears / Giants OT game. That one had some epic plays.
I can't believe the Giants won. The Bears D really disappointed me today in fantasy.
For the Pats, great start, scoring on their first possession. The D gave up a big chunk on Minny's first play, but then recovered and Minny missed a FG. Bonus!
Pat's actually stop Minny on a 3 and out when Minnesota had their first possession. That big run wasn't their first play
Ah, okay, thanks. Guess I missed a bit because the Giants/Bears game was in OT.
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Man, it sucks that the Pats game superseded the Bears / Giants OT game. That one had some epic plays.
The PT riots game I can understand, but they also decided to show some of their pre-game show AND another round of commercials when they could have showed the start of OT
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Terrible end to the first half for New England: They fail to convert on third and inches, then their D goes into full doofus mode and gives up a quick and easy TD.
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Terrible end to the first half for New England: They fail to convert on third and inches, then their D goes into full doofus mode and gives up a quick and easy TD.
Just the worst. How did we not get a half yard? The Pats could be up huge in this game right now with the Edelman non-td (totally pass interference, though) and continuing that drive. How often does Gronk not get any yards after catch?
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Terrible end to the first half for New England: They fail to convert on third and inches, then their D goes into full doofus mode and gives up a quick and easy TD.
Just the worst. How did we not get a half yard? The Pats could be up huge in this game right now with the Edelman non-td (totally pass interference, though) and continuing that drive. How often does Gronk not get any yards after catch?
If you freeze-framed the Gronk catch at the point of the reception and asked if you think Gronk picks up the first, I’d say 99/100 he gets it. I’m not a betting man, but would have bet my eye-teeth he would have fallen forward for the 1st (excellent defensive play). Also a coaching/Brady mistake to not try to run a quick play before the 2-minute warning (the first one) — I think it was obvious that the spot was generous.
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How this game has turned in about 2 minutes of playing time. From Pats potentially driving to take a dominating lead with the ball coming out of the half, to Vikings potentially taking a lead with drive. This half may tell us a lot about these Pats.
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How this game has turned in about 2 minutes of playing time. From Pats potentially driving to take a dominating lead with the ball coming out of the half, to Vikings potentially taking a lead with drive. This half may tell us a lot about these Pats.
It was an absolutely atrocious final couple of minutes to the first half. Gronk catches a ball within a couple feet of the first down and somehow can't impose his will on a smaller defender, then the Pats fail on third and inches. Then the D, which had shut out Minny to that point, surrenders several big plays and a touchdown in like a minute. And just like that it was a game.
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What a catch by Patterson
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What a catch by Patterson
Sure was!
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Nicely done Pats! Momentum lost and regained.
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What a terrible call. He didn’t even make the line of scrimmage, let alone the first down.
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Terrible throw. Wasn't hit till after released. Just run the ball and take time off the clock. No need for Vikings to have life right now.
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OK... Nice interception. Now run the ball.
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Wow -- Mike McCarthy fired as GB Head Coach.
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Wow -- Mike McCarthy fired as GB Head Coach.
IMO it’s the correct move. My dad is a pretty diehard GB fan and he was not big on him at all
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2 C's wins and a Pats win. Nice weekend.
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Just an outstanding defensive game plan and defensive execution today.
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Defense was FANTASTIC today and also did a good job bringing pressure. I mean, only 5 catches for 28 yards for Thielen? WOW! And also, SCREW Thielen. Guy came across as a clown today with his antics honestly. Glad we stuck it to him at the end and seeing Belichick tell him to "shut the **** up" was lowkey hilarious :laugh:
Also I can see why folks aren't as high on Kirk Cousins. He did look ordinary today and when they needed him to make plays, he couldn't and just kept checking down (even on 4th and 11, he just threw some 5 yard check down pass lol). Part of it was our defense too though!
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Wow -- Mike McCarthy fired as GB Head Coach.
IMO it’s the correct move. My dad is a pretty diehard GB fan and he was not big on him at all
To be honest though, and I'm sure even your dad would agree, it's not all McCarthy's fault. Just a ton of issues all around and frankly even Rodgers has looked off too (and Crosby as well). Ultimately he was the "fall guy" in this instance, now interesting to see if Rodgers is in GB his whole career or not, and if so, who their next head coach is.
I'm actually a bit surprised they fired him immediately after the game and not end of the season though.
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Wow -- Mike McCarthy fired as GB Head Coach.
IMO it’s the correct move. My dad is a pretty diehard GB fan and he was not big on him at all
To be honest though, and I'm sure even your dad would agree, it's not all McCarthy's fault. Just a ton of issues all around and frankly even Rodgers has looked off too (and Crosby as well). Ultimately he was the "fall guy" in this instance, now interesting to see if Rodgers is in GB his whole career or not, and if so, who their next head coach is.
I'm actually a bit surprised they fired him immediately after the game and not end of the season though.
Heard there was beef between Rodgers and McCarthy. And, who wouldn't fire a head coach if their team lost at home to one of the worst teams in the NFL while currently going through a losing season.
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Hard to believe that McCarthy, a coach who took his team to the NFC Championship 4 times in 13 years and won a Superbowl just got fired but the good awful coach, Marvin Lewis, is on his 16th season in Cincinnati without having won a single playoff game.
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Wow -- Mike McCarthy fired as GB Head Coach.
IMO it’s the correct move. My dad is a pretty diehard GB fan and he was not big on him at all
To be honest though, and I'm sure even your dad would agree, it's not all McCarthy's fault. Just a ton of issues all around and frankly even Rodgers has looked off too (and Crosby as well). Ultimately he was the "fall guy" in this instance, now interesting to see if Rodgers is in GB his whole career or not, and if so, who their next head coach is.
I'm actually a bit surprised they fired him immediately after the game and not end of the season though.
Heard there was beef between Rodgers and McCarthy. And, who wouldn't fire a head coach if their team lost at home to one of the worst teams in the NFL while currently going through a losing season.
Bengals with Marvin Lewis? :P
But yeah there was disagreement and tension between the two for the past few seasons. That said, it won't really matter unless the FO makes legit moves this offseason, or absolutely nail their next HC hiring, otherwise it'll just be more of the same.
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Wow -- Mike McCarthy fired as GB Head Coach.
IMO it’s the correct move. My dad is a pretty diehard GB fan and he was not big on him at all
To be honest though, and I'm sure even your dad would agree, it's not all McCarthy's fault. Just a ton of issues all around and frankly even Rodgers has looked off too (and Crosby as well). Ultimately he was the "fall guy" in this instance, now interesting to see if Rodgers is in GB his whole career or not, and if so, who their next head coach is.
I'm actually a bit surprised they fired him immediately after the game and not end of the season though.
Heard there was beef between Rodgers and McCarthy. And, who wouldn't fire a head coach if their team lost at home to one of the worst teams in the NFL while currently going through a losing season.
Bengals with Marvin Lewis? :P
But yeah there was disagreement and tension between the two for the past few seasons. That said, it won't really matter unless the FO makes legit moves this offseason, or absolutely nail their next HC hiring, otherwise it'll just be more of the same.
Would Josh McDaniels go to Green Bay to coach Aaron Rodgers?
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Defense was FANTASTIC today and also did a good job bringing pressure. I mean, only 5 catches for 28 yards for Thielen? WOW! And also, SCREW Thielen. Guy came across as a clown today with his antics honestly. Glad we stuck it to him at the end and seeing Belichick tell him to "shut the **** up" was lowkey hilarious :laugh:
Also I can see why folks aren't as high on Kirk Cousins. He did look ordinary today and when they needed him to make plays, he couldn't and just kept checking down (even on 4th and 11, he just threw some 5 yard check down pass lol). Part of it was our defense too though!
This was incredible! I love seeing Belichick get into it :o
Anyway, crisis averted. After a less than impressive end of the 1st half/beginning of the 2nd, the Pats simply imposed their will on both sides of the ball. Let's hope they can keep this rolling!
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So the Jags continue to suck against everyone not named New England, allowing Derrick Henry to go off tonight for 238 yards and 4 touchdowns rushing. Henry obviously played well, but his "99-yard touchdown run" had quite a bit of help from 3 horrible tackle attempts. I wish the Jags had tackled like that against the Pats.
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So the Jags continue to suck against everyone not named New England, allowing Derrick Henry to go off tonight for 238 yards and 4 touchdowns rushing. Henry obviously played well, but his "99-yard touchdown run" had quite a bit of help from 3 horrible tackle attempts. I wish the Jags had tackled like that against the Pats.
Every team that the Patriots lost to this season have played their Superbowl against New England. Titans got routed b2b. Jaguars irrelevant these days. Lions are bottom-dwellers.
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So the Jags continue to suck against everyone not named New England, allowing Derrick Henry to go off tonight for 238 yards and 4 touchdowns rushing. Henry obviously played well, but his "99-yard touchdown run" had quite a bit of help from 3 horrible tackle attempts. I wish the Jags had tackled like that against the Pats.
Every team that the Patriots lost to this season have played their Superbowl against New England. Titans got routed b2b. Jaguars irrelevant these days. Lions are bottom-dwellers.
Yup. I kinda wish it wasn't so. I mean, on one hand, the Pats have looked bad against some mediocre-to-bad teams, and that's the Pats' fault; on the other hand, I'm like, dang, can't these teams just know their place and stay there? ;D
As a side note, I'd be very unhappy if I were a fan of any of those teams, watching them beat the mighty Patriots but look pretty bad the rest of the time.
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Dolphins seem em-Bolden-ed by their early offensive success
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OK -- what the heck? Was hoping the Pats defense was on an upswing. Wow -- this is just embarrassing for them. Miami just slicing through like butter.
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Brady looking amazing today. Passing offense clicking. But looks they'll need TDs every possession...
What's with no James White? I didn't see any pregame -- is he hurt?
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I guess James White is playing -- didn't seem like he was active till now...
Got to stop Miami here -- gave them too much time. Dolphins have the ball after the half too.
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Absolutely dumbest play I've ever seen Brady make. Throw it away!!!!!!!!!
I cannot believe they did not get 3 out of that. Sinful!
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I guess James White is playing -- didn't seem like he was active till now...
Got to stop Miami here -- gave them too much time. Dolphins have the ball after the half too.
Obsessed with playing (and trying to get the ball to) Burkhead rather than what has been working for years. James White is a fantastic weapon.
Absolutely dumbest play I've ever seen Brady make. Throw it away!!!!!!!!!
I cannot believe they did not get 3 out of that. Sinful!
That was awful. Did Brady forget what would happen if he got sacked there? Nobody was open, but he had every opportunity to get rid of it. What a waste of a [rare] blocked punt!
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I guess James White is playing -- didn't seem like he was active till now...
Got to stop Miami here -- gave them too much time. Dolphins have the ball after the half too.
Obsessed with playing (and trying to get the ball to) Burkhead rather than what has been working for years. James White is a fantastic weapon.
Absolutely dumbest play I've ever seen Brady make. Throw it away!!!!!!!!!
I cannot believe they did not get 3 out of that. Sinful!
That was awful. Did Brady forget what would happen if he got sacked there? Nobody was open, but he had every opportunity to get rid of it. What a waste of a [rare] blocked punt!
Honestly, I am stunned. He was upright after the initial pressure. Had presence of mind to look for a receiver -- but not to dump it (chuck it)…? So unBrady. Could cost the game the way the D has played -- should be a 2-score lead.
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Ummm. Really?
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I don't know that the Pats really deserved this game. Gostkowski was awful today, the offense left 3 points on the field at the end of the 1st half (or 7 if you think Brady should be able to score a TD with three chances from the 2-yd line), and the defense showed their true colors.
The bright side? Well, Houston also lost - meaning the Pats can still get the bye if they win out (no guarantees there ::) )
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Wow. The Patriots suck. I can't wait until their season's over and we can be spared anymore of their nonsense.
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This Pats team has been unpleasant to follow all year. Just feels like a team that is tired of doing this same thing over and over. They rely too much on short passes and runs. Gronk is ready to retire. Brady is skittish in the red zone given any kind of pressure. It's a rerun of a rerun and it's not as good as it used to be.
Brady looks like he can play a couple more years potentially. But what will that do to the team when this is clearly headed in the wrong direction?
That game makes me feel like saying two words:
Go Chiefs!
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Too many points left on the field... and what's Gronk doing on that final play!?!?
Yes, the entire defense sucked on that final play, but Gronk in particular looked like he was just standing there all the way until Drake came close to him and predictably cut to the outside with a WIDE OPEN lane SMH. And of course, Gronk stumbled in pathetic fashion and that was that. I’d have put Josh Gordon out there instead of Gronk as "pass-catching safety".
Points were left on the field too. 3 points right before the half but Brady took that poor sack, then Gostkowski missed 4 points with his leg.
Just an awful loss. We really had it despite the struggles, but unfortunately we didn’t play the full 60 minutes. And when the first receiver caught the ball (I forgot who it was), TACKLE HIM! Don’t just go for the ball and whiff (while he catches and then laterals it). Brutal.
Best case scenario now is the #2 seed in the AFC, and next week's game could decide that too.
I’d say it’s a must win now too, not just for the 2 seed, but also to prove that we can do better and win on the road (only great win on the road was Chicago so far this year). That’s not to say if we lose that PIT gets it, but do you expect HOU to lose another game? Possibly, but I honestly doubt it. If NE wins, I see them getting the 2 seed, if they lose, then yikes, idk… could be PIT or HOU at 2 seed, and NE in the Wild Card game.
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Too many points left on the field... and what's Gronk doing on that final play!?!?
Yes, the entire defense sucked on that final play, but Gronk in particular looked like he was just standing there all the way until Drake came close to him and predictably cut to the outside with a WIDE OPEN lane SMH. And of course, Gronk stumbled in pathetic fashion and that was that. I’d have put Josh Gordon out there instead of Gronk as "pass-catching safety".
Points were left on the field too. 3 points right before the half but Brady took that poor sack, then Gostkowski missed 4 points with his leg.
Just an awful loss. We really had it despite the struggles, but unfortunately we didn’t play the full 60 minutes. And when the first receiver caught the ball (I forgot who it was), TACKLE HIM! Don’t just go for the ball and whiff (while he catches and then laterals it). Brutal.
Best case scenario now is the #2 seed in the AFC, and next week's game could decide that too.
I’d say it’s a must win now too, not just for the 2 seed, but also to prove that we can do better and win on the road (only great win on the road was Chicago so far this year). That’s not to say if we lose that PIT gets it, but do you expect HOU to lose another game? Possibly, but I honestly doubt it. If NE wins, I see them getting the 2 seed, if they lose, then yikes, idk… could be PIT or HOU at 2 seed, and NE in the Wild Card game.
New England doesn't deserve a top-2 seed, because they haven't played like a top-2 seed, regardless of what their record might indicate. Every time they make some progress, they turn around and lay a huge egg.
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Too many points left on the field... and what's Gronk doing on that final play!?!?
Yes, the entire defense sucked on that final play, but Gronk in particular looked like he was just standing there all the way until Drake came close to him and predictably cut to the outside with a WIDE OPEN lane SMH. And of course, Gronk stumbled in pathetic fashion and that was that. I’d have put Josh Gordon out there instead of Gronk as "pass-catching safety".
Points were left on the field too. 3 points right before the half but Brady took that poor sack, then Gostkowski missed 4 points with his leg.
Just an awful loss. We really had it despite the struggles, but unfortunately we didn’t play the full 60 minutes. And when the first receiver caught the ball (I forgot who it was), TACKLE HIM! Don’t just go for the ball and whiff (while he catches and then laterals it). Brutal.
Best case scenario now is the #2 seed in the AFC, and next week's game could decide that too.
I’d say it’s a must win now too, not just for the 2 seed, but also to prove that we can do better and win on the road (only great win on the road was Chicago so far this year). That’s not to say if we lose that PIT gets it, but do you expect HOU to lose another game? Possibly, but I honestly doubt it. If NE wins, I see them getting the 2 seed, if they lose, then yikes, idk… could be PIT or HOU at 2 seed, and NE in the Wild Card game.
New England doesn't deserve a top-2 seed, because they haven't played like a top-2 seed, regardless of what their record might indicate. Every time they make some progress, they turn around and lay a huge egg.
They are just awful on the road, plain and simple. I'm still rooting for them obviously and keeping the faith, but feels like a loss next week all but ends the season. They'll be in the playoffs but doubt they go far (likely lose the first road game they play there). Similar to the years we went to AFCCG and lost on road to DEN, except this time it's likely KC (or PIT/HOU divisional round).
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BTW if you look at the box score at first it looks like Brady had a great day .... 358 yards, 3 TDs, no interceptions.
You would think the offense was good but the defense let the team down. Also Gostkowski.
Except the Pats were 9-16 on third downs. They had 11 drives to score 33 points. They were 3-6 in the Red Zone.
They lost despite having an edge 35 min to 25 min in time of possession, and despite running 75 plays to the Dolphins' 45.
They averaged 2.6 yards per carry and barely over 5 yards per play.
The offense is grindy and painful this year. The defense is slow.
They look like Danny Glover out there: too old for this ... stuff.
Honestly this Pats team makes me feel sad and tired, too. Like maybe iit'll be best for everybody for this to just be over. I have more fun and feel less emotionally invested watching the Chiefs or the Saints or Rams play arena ball.
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BTW if you look at the box score at first it looks like Brady had a great day .... 358 yards, 3 TDs, no interceptions.
You would think the offense was good but the defense let the team down. Also Gostkowski.
Except the Pats were 9-16 on third downs. They had 11 drives to score 33 points. They were 3-6 in the Red Zone.
They lost despite having an edge 35 min to 25 min in time of possession, and despite running 75 plays to the Dolphins' 45.
They averaged 2.6 yards per carry and barely over 5 yards per play.
The offense is grindy and painful this year. The defense is slow.
They look like Danny Glover out there: too old for this ... stuff.
Honestly this Pats team makes me feel sad and tired, too. Like maybe iit'll be best for everybody for this to just be over. I have more fun and feel less emotionally invested watching the Chiefs or the Saints or Rams play arena ball.
It's really frustrating to me that they barely use White whenever Michel and Burkhead are healthy. Burkhead's good, but he's not as good as White.
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BTW if you look at the box score at first it looks like Brady had a great day .... 358 yards, 3 TDs, no interceptions.
You would think the offense was good but the defense let the team down. Also Gostkowski.
Except the Pats were 9-16 on third downs. They had 11 drives to score 33 points. They were 3-6 in the Red Zone.
They lost despite having an edge 35 min to 25 min in time of possession, and despite running 75 plays to the Dolphins' 45.
They averaged 2.6 yards per carry and barely over 5 yards per play.
The offense is grindy and painful this year. The defense is slow.
They look like Danny Glover out there: too old for this ... stuff.
Honestly this Pats team makes me feel sad and tired, too. Like maybe iit'll be best for everybody for this to just be over. I have more fun and feel less emotionally invested watching the Chiefs or the Saints or Rams play arena ball.
All good points. I miss the "spice" this offense used to have in years past, being aggressive, playing for a TD no matter what, and creative play calling. Feels like nowadays the offense is just vanilla where they sometimes are just playing for FG's and/or simply playing to make it a more manageable 3rd down instead of attacking, going more up-tempo, etc.
Even in this game, Gostkowski's misses didn't help, but I thought in that final drive they needed to be more creative and go for the TD to seal the deal. Instead just 3 predictable runs up the middle. In previous years they'd try screens or some fake end-around or something like that.
The red zone in general is torture. Feels like we're seeing way more throwaways and/or short runs up the middle because the offense plays with less aggression down there and more caution.
Brady taking that sack right before the half was uncharacteristic of him. Guaranteed 3 points and they blew it. He threw it away the first two times, but not the 3rd when nothing was there? That was golden field position after the 2nd blocked punt of the game, and they completely blew it.
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On another note, the more I look and think about it... why was Gronk even out there? Did they actually expect MIA to throw a Hail Mary there? Idk if Tannehill can even throw that far (70 full yards), and I had figured at best, MIA throws a quick pass, goes out of bounds, and try a Hail Mary from 50 yards away with 1-2 seconds left, but not at that particular play. Bad coaching by Belichick there.
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On another note, the more I look and think about it... why was Gronk even out there? Did they actually expect MIA to throw a Hail Mary there? Idk if Tannehill can even throw that far (70 full yards), and I had figured at best, MIA throws a quick pass, goes out of bounds, and try a Hail Mary from 50 yards away with 1-2 seconds left, but not at that particular play. Bad coaching by Belichick there.
The whole day I was honestly feeling as if they were trying to lose the game, and the defense on that last play only increased that impression.
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On another note, the more I look and think about it... why was Gronk even out there? Did they actually expect MIA to throw a Hail Mary there? Idk if Tannehill can even throw that far (70 full yards), and I had figured at best, MIA throws a quick pass, goes out of bounds, and try a Hail Mary from 50 yards away with 1-2 seconds left, but not at that particular play. Bad coaching by Belichick there.
The whole day I was honestly feeling as if they were trying to lose the game, and the defense on that last play only increased that impression.
As I said above, it felt like the play-calling on offense late in the game reflected more caution and more "try not to lose the game", as opposed to previous Pats teams where they were aggressive and played to win (stick a knife through the heart of the opponent to seal a win).
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Unbelievable. Looked like they were playing rugby out there with all the laterals. Pretty embarrassing to lose like that, that's like a desperation high school football play. ;D
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I guess James White is playing -- didn't seem like he was active till now...
Got to stop Miami here -- gave them too much time. Dolphins have the ball after the half too.
Obsessed with playing (and trying to get the ball to) Burkhead rather than what has been working for years. James White is a fantastic weapon.
Absolutely dumbest play I've ever seen Brady make. Throw it away!!!!!!!!!
I cannot believe they did not get 3 out of that. Sinful!
That was awful. Did Brady forget what would happen if he got sacked there? Nobody was open, but he had every opportunity to get rid of it. What a waste of a [rare] blocked punt!
On his post game interview he said that was his fault he forgot they had no timeouts left.
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As many have said the playcalling was terrible and honestly has been all year. I'm tired of 2 straight runs up the middle for 2 yards and then brady has to bail them out 3rd and long every time. 1st half brady was amazing except for the last play where he took the sack, but 2nd half the playcalling was sickening. Safe plays and dumb runs, forcing it to burkhead instead of using the 7th highest scoring fantasy player in the nfl james white, and the defense was just terrible.
I believe at one point in the 1st half brady was 9 for 9 with 2 TDs and we had 20 points on the board, only problem was that garbage Miami had 21. Old slow Frank gore making our defense look like high schoolers. The game winning lateral play our defense was just standing around expecting someone else to make the tackle and next thing you know we have gronk 1on1 against a speedy RB and he got toasted ****. One of the more disappointing losses of the year
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Crazy week got even crazier. Steelers lost to the Raiders :o
I know Big Ben has never won in OAK his whole career, but that's still a surprising loss. Big Ben was hurt but came back when PIT was down 17-14 and led a TD drive, but then OAK went ahead again for good.
Anyways, this makes next week's NE-PIT game very interesting. Both teams coming off brutal losses (with insane finishes), and both teams probably desperate for a win (NE to get a first round bye, PIT to keep ahead of BAL in the division who are just 0.5 games behind them).
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As many have said the playcalling was terrible and honestly has been all year. I'm tired of 2 straight runs up the middle for 2 yards and then brady has to bail them out 3rd and long every time. 1st half brady was amazing except for the last play where he took the sack, but 2nd half the playcalling was sickening. Safe plays and dumb runs, forcing it to burkhead instead of using the 7th highest scoring fantasy player in the nfl james white, and the defense was just terrible.
I believe at one point in the 1st half brady was 9 for 9 with 2 TDs and we had 20 points on the board, only problem was that garbage Miami had 21. Old slow Frank gore making our defense look like high schoolers. The game winning lateral play our defense was just standing around expecting someone else to make the tackle and next thing you know we have gronk 1on1 against a speedy RB and he got toasted ****. One of the more disappointing losses of the year
Absolutely - why on earth do we keep running it up the middle when it isn't working? It's not like we still have Blount who always moved the pile a few yards. I get that Michel has talent, but we have Tom Brady! I would be okay with literally throwing it on every down...or at least establishing the pass and then using runs to throw off the defense - not the other way around.
And I agree with James White as I mentioned him earlier. We would be better off with Burkhead injured again.
Anyway, all hope is not lost. KC isn't unbeatable and we have been great at home. If we can maintain that 2 seed, then anything can happen. Just not as confident as previous years...obviously.
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As many have said the playcalling was terrible and honestly has been all year. I'm tired of 2 straight runs up the middle for 2 yards and then brady has to bail them out 3rd and long every time. 1st half brady was amazing except for the last play where he took the sack, but 2nd half the playcalling was sickening. Safe plays and dumb runs, forcing it to burkhead instead of using the 7th highest scoring fantasy player in the nfl james white, and the defense was just terrible.
I believe at one point in the 1st half brady was 9 for 9 with 2 TDs and we had 20 points on the board, only problem was that garbage Miami had 21. Old slow Frank gore making our defense look like high schoolers. The game winning lateral play our defense was just standing around expecting someone else to make the tackle and next thing you know we have gronk 1on1 against a speedy RB and he got toasted ****. One of the more disappointing losses of the year
Absolutely - why on earth do we keep running it up the middle when it isn't working? It's not like we still have Blount who always moved the pile a few yards. I get that Michel has talent, but we have Tom Brady! I would be okay with literally throwing it on every down...or at least establishing the pass and then using runs to throw off the defense - not the other way around.
And I agree with James White as I mentioned him earlier. We would be better off with Burkhead injured again.
Anyway, all hope is not lost. KC isn't unbeatable and we have been great at home. If we can maintain that 2 seed, then anything can happen. Just not as confident as previous years...obviously.
I don't understand why they don't try running on the edges or tossing to the outside more, which actually seemed to be working. Even in the final offensive drive, a TD would seal the deal for good and they just ran up the middle right into their defense 3 straight times. No bit of creativity to try and go for the kill, which NE has famously done in the past (just not this season it seems)...
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That pass interference actually helped the Dolphins at the end. If not, Gordon catches that and TD game over.
But, it is what it is. This defense has been an absolute garbage.
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Wow...this team is 9-4 and should be favored and mostly likely will win out and go 12-4 for a second seed. Not one team in the East is clearly better than the Pat's. If the Pat's win out that means they would have beat each of the other division winners while going 12-4.
They will have won 10 straight AFC East titless.
They will have gotten a bye in the playoffs 9 straight years
They will have made the playoffs 10 straight years
They will have won 10 or more games 16 straight years
They will have won 12 or more games for 9 straight years
They will have had over 250 wins since 2000.
8 Superbowls since 2000
5 Superbowl wins since 2000
33 playoff wins since 2000
The greatest QB ever for the last 17 years.
And yet so many are whining and complaining and giving up on them and acting offended somehow by this team.
Dang, guys!!! Come ON!!!!!!!!? Go Pat's. Crap loss but if we win the next 6 straight games we are Superbowl Champs again. Let's Go Pat's!!!!
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I've been skeptical the Patriots had enough defense to get to the SB this year. The D played well the last few games before the debacle in Miami today. An embarrassment. They still don't have a full time defensive coach, and that may be hurting them. And somebody screwed up the time management today at the end of the first half.
I think the Patriots are overrated in the power rankings. They play in the weakest division, and that masks their weaknesses. In recent years, they've gotten to the SB by getting home field in the playoffs, and they are very tough to beat at home by any team. This year, I doubt they can beat any playoff team on the road.
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Crazy week got even crazier. Steelers lost to the Raiders :o
I know Big Ben has never won in OAK his whole career, but that's still a surprising loss. Big Ben was hurt but came back when PIT was down 17-14 and led a TD drive, but then OAK went ahead again for good.
Anyways, this makes next week's NE-PIT game very interesting. Both teams coming off brutal losses (with insane finishes), and both teams probably desperate for a win (NE to get a first round bye, PIT to keep ahead of BAL in the division who are just 0.5 games behind them).
Looked like the coach made a mistake not bring Ben back when they were up 14-10. Didn't the other QB create a TO which led to an Oak TD? I watched it, but I forget now how that went. I thought Ben should have come back while they were leading.
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I've been skeptical the Patriots had enough defense to get to the SB this year. The D played well the last few games before the debacle in Miami today. An embarrassment. They still don't have a full time defensive coach, and that may be hurting them. And somebody screwed up the time management today at the end of the first half.
I think the Patriots are overrated in the power rankings. They play in the weakest division, and that masks their weaknesses. In recent years, they've gotten to the SB by getting home field in the playoffs, and they are very tough to beat at home by any team. This year, I doubt they can beat any playoff team on the road.
I would say they are on par with the Texans and clearly better than the Steelers and Ravens / dolphins etc. But also a big step below the chiefs and worse than the chargers.
Not on the same level as the Rams, saints, or cowboys.
Weird thing is they have beaten both the bears and chiefs. But the pats are a different team at home than away.
I think you're correct that this season will end as soon as the pats need to go on the road in the playoffs. That may end up being the AFC championship.
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Wow...this team is 9-4 and should be favored and mostly likely will win out and go 12-4 for a second seed. Not one team in the East is clearly better than the Pat's. If the Pat's win out that means they would have beat each of the other division winners while going 12-4.
They will have won 10 straight AFC East titless.
They will have gotten a bye in the playoffs 9 straight years
They will have made the playoffs 10 straight years
They will have won 10 or more games 16 straight years
They will have won 12 or more games for 9 straight years
They will have had over 250 wins since 2000.
8 Superbowls since 2000
5 Superbowl wins since 2000
33 playoff wins since 2000
The greatest QB ever for the last 17 years.
And yet so many are whining and complaining and giving up on them and acting offended somehow by this team.
Dang, guys!!! Come ON!!!!!!!!? Go Pat's. Crap loss but if we win the next 6 straight games we are Superbowl Champs again. Let's Go Pat's!!!!
I dont think any1 here is giving up on the team especially with belichick and brady still there and how we historically take our intensity to another level come playoff time. But it gets a little frustrating when we as fans are noticing our flaws and mistakes but our coaching staff getting paid millions of dollars cant. I've been on the anti-Mcdaniels train for a while now, but I feel like if he would get his head out of the sand he would realize he needs to switch things up a bit and it would help us out alot. Too predictable of an offense paired with an underwhelming defense is not the best situation to be in for the last quarter of the season
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This pats team makes me sad.
They're not terrible, just not very good ... At anything.
Sloppy special teams, slow defense, conservative offense.
They're boring and uninspired. They play like crap on the road.
Call me a heretic but ... I'll say it ... I'm ready for the rebuild!
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Exciting but sluggish first half overall for both teams.
Not a good sign that NE's offense seems to be stalling a lot more although the refs really didn't help us in that half (missed calls and that BS PI call to set up PIT's 2nd TD). Also Edelman has had like 2 big drops which is uncharacteristic of him (had 1 big one last week too).
NE has to come out and do something with the ball. I trust this defense (and Big Ben's mistakes) will keep us in it, but the offense has to start converting on their chances and scoring. If we need to, keep passing the ball or try some trickery, because these runs up the middle are predictably getting stuffed.
I think this 2nd half will tell us a lot about this team. If they falter and lose, I think it's a wild card team that wins one home game and that's it in the playoffs. If they make good adjustments, do well and win, they'll prove that they're probably at least going to the AFCCG (and obviously get a lot closer to clinching a first round bye)
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Pittsburgh been carving us up all game >:(
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7 penalties for 61 yards and counting.
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Thank goodness no Conner. Pats run D is just horrific
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Brady can't throw that one.
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Game
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Heck of a defensive play by Jackson. Game saver?
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Heck of a defensive play by Jackson. Game saver?
Very well could be.
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Bizarre... Brady just airmailed like three throws in a row.
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Deserved this loss. Outplayed. Run D is atrocious.
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Bad 24 hours.
Tell me something good.
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Fire the entire offensive line - the penalties...I've never seen anything like it. And it's not like they were otherwise great in pass protection or the run game. Totally embarrassing.
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
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Well, the Sox won the World Series and the Celtics are very good with a chance to be great.
When the time comes, I'm gonna miss Tommy. This is going to be a tough grieving process.
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Time to call it a season boys. If this team makes playoffs, wild-card weekend and then an early exit.
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Exciting but sluggish first half overall for both teams.
Not a good sign that NE's offense seems to be stalling a lot more although the refs really didn't help us in that half (missed calls and that BS PI call to set up PIT's 2nd TD). Also Edelman has had like 2 big drops which is uncharacteristic of him (had 1 big one last week too).
NE has to come out and do something with the ball. I trust this defense (and Big Ben's mistakes) will keep us in it, but the offense has to start converting on their chances and scoring. If we need to, keep passing the ball or try some trickery, because these runs up the middle are predictably getting stuffed.
I think this 2nd half will tell us a lot about this team. If they falter and lose, I think it's a wild card team that wins one home game and that's it in the playoffs. If they make good adjustments, do well and win, they'll prove that they're probably at least going to the AFCCG (and obviously get a lot closer to clinching a first round bye)
Well, as I predicted, the defense and a Big Ben mistake (the 2nd INT) kept them in the game, but boy that offense was putrid. YIKES. Seriously, what the hell is with this red zone offense and playcalling??!? It's like once they get inside the 20, they have no clue what to do and just stutter completely. Where's Josh Gordon in these kind of situations? And on that final drive, Brady threw like 3 passes that weren't even catchable over the end zone, then practically floats 1 essentially into a triple team to end the game. Also, this is now the 2nd straight game Brady has made an awful decision in the red zone (last week, taking a sack right before the half to cost the team 3 points, and today the INT to Haden).
Ultimately though, the penalties KILLED the team. Hard to win any game when you have 14 penalties in a single game and the other team only has like 3-4.
What really summed up today though... 3rd and 4 in the red zone, down 14-7, and we call a freakin' WR screen that somehow didn't get picked/batted down and had virtually no chance of going for a first down anyway the way PIT's defense was lined up. Really McDaniels!?!? >:(
Credit to Edelman for almost converting it, but still not good enough.
Anyways, yeah this is probably a WC team. Should win their home game but then next round (divisional) will lose to HOU/LAC/KC on the road (depending on who gets 1-2 seeds based on seeding).
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Well, the Sox won the World Series and the Celtics are very good with a chance to be great.
When the time comes, I'm gonna miss Tommy. This is going to be a tough grieving process.
Pats should move on from him and rebuild. He's been around playing at a high level longer than anyone could have ever imagined. Time for him to move on for the good of the franchise and his future health. As Sir Charles says, father time is undefeated.
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When Brady/Kraft forced BB to trade JG, that was the beginning of the end we are seeing now.
We got killed by our own mistakes today...dropped passes to start the downfall and then penalty after penalty after penalty to kill drives and our chances. Poor effort today, just like our Cs last night.
Sucky weekend for Boston sports.
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
There are about 22 to 24 teams that would like to be as “bad” as the Pats, though. They’ve beaten the Texans, Bears and Chiefs - all division leaders - and could still end up with a bye. It’s hard to tear it down when you can hang with any other team in the NFL.
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
There are about 22 to 24 teams that would like to be as “bad” as the Pats, though. They’ve beaten the Texans, Bears and Chiefs - all division leaders - and could still end up with a bye. It’s hard to tear it down when you can hang with any other team in the NFL.
I agree.
Brady and Kraft made their bed. They have NO choice.
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
There are about 22 to 24 teams that would like to be as “bad” as the Pats, though. They’ve beaten the Texans, Bears and Chiefs - all division leaders - and could still end up with a bye. It’s hard to tear it down when you can hang with any other team in the NFL.
I understand why it's not likely to happen, and I recognize I'm a spoiled fan. The pats have been good and relevant basically my entire adult life.
Still, I'd rather see them start reshaping the team into whatever comes next rather than continue trotting out gradually weaker iterations of this old squad.
If they can be good at something - great on offense, great on defense, really creative playcalling - then OK. But this weak, not good at anything version? I'll pass.
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The look on Bill's face when he kept getting asked about the penalties ;D ;D he's going to be doing some serious yelling in the locker room if he hasn't already. Trent Brown had what, 3 just by himself?
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
There are about 22 to 24 teams that would like to be as “bad” as the Pats, though. They’ve beaten the Texans, Bears and Chiefs - all division leaders - and could still end up with a bye. It’s hard to tear it down when you can hang with any other team in the NFL.
Not to mention, the Pat's tear their team down like every offseason. They are constantly bringing in 25-30 new players every year. Belichick rebuild the team every single year. Poured Belichick doesn't tank. He is constantly turning over talent and coaching them up so by year's end they are playoff ready.
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
There are about 22 to 24 teams that would like to be as “bad” as the Pats, though. They’ve beaten the Texans, Bears and Chiefs - all division leaders - and could still end up with a bye. It’s hard to tear it down when you can hang with any other team in the NFL.
Not to mention, the Pat's tear their team down like every offseason. They are constantly bringing in 25-30 new players every year. Belichick rebuild the team every single year. Poured Belichick doesn't tank. He is constantly turning over talent and coaching them up so by year's end they are playoff ready.
They dont look particularly coached up this year.
In fact they look worse in December so far.
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
There are about 22 to 24 teams that would like to be as “bad” as the Pats, though. They’ve beaten the Texans, Bears and Chiefs - all division leaders - and could still end up with a bye. It’s hard to tear it down when you can hang with any other team in the NFL.
Not to mention, the Pat's tear their team down like every offseason. They are constantly bringing in 25-30 new players every year. Belichick rebuild the team every single year. Poured Belichick doesn't tank. He is constantly turning over talent and coaching them up so by year's end they are playoff ready.
They dont look particularly coached up this year.
In fact they look worse in December so far.
December and the season isn't over yet. 11-5 can easily win a Superbowl. It's happened before
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
There are about 22 to 24 teams that would like to be as “bad” as the Pats, though. They’ve beaten the Texans, Bears and Chiefs - all division leaders - and could still end up with a bye. It’s hard to tear it down when you can hang with any other team in the NFL.
Not to mention, the Pat's tear their team down like every offseason. They are constantly bringing in 25-30 new players every year. Belichick rebuild the team every single year. Poured Belichick doesn't tank. He is constantly turning over talent and coaching them up so by year's end they are playoff ready.
They dont look particularly coached up this year.
In fact they look worse in December so far.
December and the season isn't over yet. 11-5 can easily win a Superbowl. It's happened before
That's true, but at this rate they're probably gonna finish the season outside the top 12 in DVOA. When has that caliber of team won it all?
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This thread feels a bit like sky is falling after a loss on the road to a good team. As someone else mentioned they have beat really good teams this year like the chiefs and Texans and bears. Even the rams had a pretty crappy loss tonight and the Texans squeaked by the jets yesterday. We certainly are not the favorites but saying it is time to rebuild strikes me as pretty strange. I also think next year will be Brady’s last season
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except the patriots aren't a good team this season. they're a team that's not together and it's apparent.
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• A first-round bye is virtually impossible at this point, given that there are three teams ahead of New England in that race, with only two weeks to go.
• Usually, the deciding factor with New England is "Are they healthy?" Well, they're all healthy right now and they still can't win.
• The only way to slow Gronk is to double- or triple-team him, but that means someone else should be open. NE's not finding those open guys.
• Why have the Pats virtually eliminated James White from the game plan? He's probably their most dangerous player with the ball in the open field.
• Looks like Wild Card weekend will be New England's Super Bowl this season.
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except the patriots aren't a good team this season. they're a team that's not together and it's apparent.
If they don’t lost on one of the flukiest plays in the last ten years last week they are 10-4 with wins over 3 division winners and the number one seed in afc. On what planet is that not “good”
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I'm at the point where I look at the pats like a tv show that has been on too long.
I'm worried they're gonna keep trying to hold this thing together with scotch tape until Brady decides to retire.
Is there a better option? It's not like Jimmy G is sitting on the bench or we have this young, exciting defense. This is like the Cs in 2011-13. Enjoy it while you can - Brady is still awesome; unfortunately, the rest of the team is not.
Rebuilds take a while. Might as well get started.
Its one thing if they're good but not great.
This year they're actually bad. Not horrible, but clearly not especially good in any area.
There are about 22 to 24 teams that would like to be as “bad” as the Pats, though. They’ve beaten the Texans, Bears and Chiefs - all division leaders - and could still end up with a bye. It’s hard to tear it down when you can hang with any other team in the NFL.
Not to mention, the Pat's tear their team down like every offseason. They are constantly bringing in 25-30 new players every year. Belichick rebuild the team every single year. Poured Belichick doesn't tank. He is constantly turning over talent and coaching them up so by year's end they are playoff ready.
They dont look particularly coached up this year.
In fact they look worse in December so far.
December and the season isn't over yet. 11-5 can easily win a Superbowl. It's happened before
That's true, but at this rate they're probably gonna finish the season outside the top 12 in DVOA. When has that caliber of team won it all?
Not sure. Have they done DVOA for all Superbowl winners? Jets maybe but probably not since there were a lot fewer teams. Colts had a pretty bad defense back 10 years or so. Maybe the Giants in 2007. Their defense came together only in the playoffs if I remember right. Seem to remember Washington having a porous season. Was that 83 or 87? One of Denver's wins was with a bad defense. I would have to do a search.
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This thread feels a bit like sky is falling after a loss on the road to a good team. As someone else mentioned they have beat really good teams this year like the chiefs and Texans and bears. Even the rams had a pretty crappy loss tonight and the Texans squeaked by the jets yesterday. We certainly are not the favorites but saying it is time to rebuild strikes me as pretty strange. I also think next year will be Brady’s last season
Well, the Steelers were only 3-3 at home before tonight, and even though they're only 16th in points allowed per game before tonight (allowing 23.5 ppg), New England scored only 10. And last week's loss was supposed to "light a fire" under New England, and that clearly didn't happen. Plus, New England's been pretty bad on the road this season, which doesn't bode well considering they're probably not going to have home-field advantage past the first round. They're certainly trending in the wrong direction as the playoffs approach.
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except the patriots aren't a good team this season. they're a team that's not together and it's apparent.
If they don’t lost on one of the flukiest plays in the last ten years last week they are 10-4 with wins over 3 division winners and the number one seed in afc. On what planet is that not “good”
Even had they won last week, they'd be only tied for second in the AFC with Houston, a game behind the Chiefs and Chargers.
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This thread feels a bit like sky is falling after a loss on the road to a good team. As someone else mentioned they have beat really good teams this year like the chiefs and Texans and bears. Even the rams had a pretty crappy loss tonight and the Texans squeaked by the jets yesterday. We certainly are not the favorites but saying it is time to rebuild strikes me as pretty strange. I also think next year will be Brady’s last season
Well, the Steelers were only 3-3 at home before tonight, and even though they're only 16th in points allowed per game before tonight (allowing 23.5 ppg), New England scored only 10. And last week's loss was supposed to "light a fire" under New England, and that clearly didn't happen. Plus, New England's been pretty bad on the road this season, which doesn't bode well considering they're probably not going to have home-field advantage past the first round. They're certainly trending in the wrong direction as the playoffs approach.
Houston still has to play in Philly next week and Philly will be desperate to get that win to help them get back to the playoffs. If Houston loses that game and the Pat's win out, the Pat's get the bye and a home game in the conference semis.
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except the patriots aren't a good team this season. they're a team that's not together and it's apparent.
If they don’t lost on one of the flukiest plays in the last ten years last week they are 10-4 with wins over 3 division winners and the number one seed in afc. On what planet is that not “good”
Even had they won last week, they'd be only tied for second in the AFC with Houston, a game behind the Chiefs and Chargers.
I probably wrote that poorly I was trying to say we have a win over the number one seed in the afc
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except the patriots aren't a good team this season. they're a team that's not together and it's apparent.
If they don’t lost on one of the flukiest plays in the last ten years last week they are 10-4 with wins over 3 division winners and the number one seed in afc. On what planet is that not “good”
Even had they won last week, they'd be only tied for second in the AFC with Houston, a game behind the Chiefs and Chargers.
Actually they would be in 2nd since they own the tiebreaker with Houston and even if LAC and KC both have records better than ours we still get the 2nd seed since the other Western team falls to the fifth seed as a wild card.
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except the patriots aren't a good team this season. they're a team that's not together and it's apparent.
If they don’t lost on one of the flukiest plays in the last ten years last week they are 10-4 with wins over 3 division winners and the number one seed in afc. On what planet is that not “good”
Even had they won last week, they'd be only tied for second in the AFC with Houston, a game behind the Chiefs and Chargers.
Actually they would be in 2nd since they own the tiebreaker with Houston and even if LAC and KC both have records better than ours we still get the 2nd seed since the other Western team falls to the fifth seed as a wild card.
Ah, yes, I forgot about the NFL's wonky playoff rules. It's like the year Brady was injured but the Pats still finished 11-5—and missed the playoffs.
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except the patriots aren't a good team this season. they're a team that's not together and it's apparent.
If they don’t lost on one of the flukiest plays in the last ten years last week they are 10-4 with wins over 3 division winners and the number one seed in afc. On what planet is that not “good”
Even had they won last week, they'd be only tied for second in the AFC with Houston, a game behind the Chiefs and Chargers.
I probably wrote that poorly I was trying to say we have a win over the number one seed in the afc
Okay, I see it now. Thanks for the clarification.
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This thread feels a bit like sky is falling after a loss on the road to a good team. As someone else mentioned they have beat really good teams this year like the chiefs and Texans and bears. Even the rams had a pretty crappy loss tonight and the Texans squeaked by the jets yesterday. We certainly are not the favorites but saying it is time to rebuild strikes me as pretty strange. I also think next year will be Brady’s last season
The Steelers aren't a good team, though. They've lost to a lot of crappy teams this season.
The Pats, unfortunately, are also bad. Worse, the Pats seem to be trending down instead of up.
Earlier this season, they had a good offense with a problematic defense.
Lately, the offense has been uncreative, with lots of short yardage plays. They've had a lot of trouble generating touchdowns in the red zone. They are really bad at converting third downs.
The special teams have also been a letdown with missed field goals, penalties, and of course the blown final play against Miami.
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This thread feels a bit like sky is falling after a loss on the road to a good team. As someone else mentioned they have beat really good teams this year like the chiefs and Texans and bears. Even the rams had a pretty crappy loss tonight and the Texans squeaked by the jets yesterday. We certainly are not the favorites but saying it is time to rebuild strikes me as pretty strange. I also think next year will be Brady’s last season
The Steelers aren't a good team, though. They've lost to a lot of crappy teams this season.
The Pats, unfortunately, are also bad. Worse, the Pats seem to be trending down instead of up.
Earlier this season, they had a good offense with a problematic defense.
Lately, the offense has been uncreative, with lots of short yardage plays. They've had a lot of trouble generating touchdowns in the red zone. They are really bad at converting third downs.
The special teams have also been a letdown with missed field goals, penalties, and of course the blown final play against Miami.
Pittsburgh and New England are not bad teams. The Bills, Jets, Raiders and Cardinals are bad teams. Pittsburgh and New England are most likely division winning playoff teams in a conference that is much stronger than the NFC. That makes them really good teams.
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This thread feels a bit like sky is falling after a loss on the road to a good team. As someone else mentioned they have beat really good teams this year like the chiefs and Texans and bears. Even the rams had a pretty crappy loss tonight and the Texans squeaked by the jets yesterday. We certainly are not the favorites but saying it is time to rebuild strikes me as pretty strange. I also think next year will be Brady’s last season
The Steelers aren't a good team, though. They've lost to a lot of crappy teams this season.
The Pats, unfortunately, are also bad. Worse, the Pats seem to be trending down instead of up.
Earlier this season, they had a good offense with a problematic defense.
Lately, the offense has been uncreative, with lots of short yardage plays. They've had a lot of trouble generating touchdowns in the red zone. They are really bad at converting third downs.
The special teams have also been a letdown with missed field goals, penalties, and of course the blown final play against Miami.
Pittsburgh and New England are not bad teams. The Bills, Jets, Raiders and Cardinals are bad teams. Pittsburgh and New England are most likely division winning playoff teams in a conference that is much stronger than the NFC. That makes them really good teams.
Winning a weak division with a crappy road record and mediocre advanced stats makes you really good?
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This thread feels a bit like sky is falling after a loss on the road to a good team. As someone else mentioned they have beat really good teams this year like the chiefs and Texans and bears. Even the rams had a pretty crappy loss tonight and the Texans squeaked by the jets yesterday. We certainly are not the favorites but saying it is time to rebuild strikes me as pretty strange. I also think next year will be Brady’s last season
The Steelers aren't a good team, though. They've lost to a lot of crappy teams this season.
The Pats, unfortunately, are also bad. Worse, the Pats seem to be trending down instead of up.
Earlier this season, they had a good offense with a problematic defense.
Lately, the offense has been uncreative, with lots of short yardage plays. They've had a lot of trouble generating touchdowns in the red zone. They are really bad at converting third downs.
The special teams have also been a letdown with missed field goals, penalties, and of course the blown final play against Miami.
Pittsburgh and New England are not bad teams. The Bills, Jets, Raiders and Cardinals are bad teams. Pittsburgh and New England are most likely division winning playoff teams in a conference that is much stronger than the NFC. That makes them really good teams.
Winning a weak division with a crappy road record and mediocre advanced stats makes you really good?
It certainly doesn't make them bad.
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This thread feels a bit like sky is falling after a loss on the road to a good team. As someone else mentioned they have beat really good teams this year like the chiefs and Texans and bears. Even the rams had a pretty crappy loss tonight and the Texans squeaked by the jets yesterday. We certainly are not the favorites but saying it is time to rebuild strikes me as pretty strange. I also think next year will be Brady’s last season
The Steelers aren't a good team, though. They've lost to a lot of crappy teams this season.
The Pats, unfortunately, are also bad. Worse, the Pats seem to be trending down instead of up.
Earlier this season, they had a good offense with a problematic defense.
Lately, the offense has been uncreative, with lots of short yardage plays. They've had a lot of trouble generating touchdowns in the red zone. They are really bad at converting third downs.
The special teams have also been a letdown with missed field goals, penalties, and of course the blown final play against Miami.
Pittsburgh and New England are not bad teams. The Bills, Jets, Raiders and Cardinals are bad teams. Pittsburgh and New England are most likely division winning playoff teams in a conference that is much stronger than the NFC. That makes them really good teams.
Winning a weak division with a crappy road record and mediocre advanced stats makes you really good?
It certainly doesn't make them bad.
They are a mediocre team. Not a legit contender but a playoff level team.
Brady is finally showing his age, Gronk looks like he’s 90 years old, and BB did a poor job of constructing this roster and seems to have lost focus on coaching it down the stretch
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Despite their horrendous run D and sloppy play and mental errors, this team is one never-happens play from being 10-4 and in the drivers’s seat for a bye. I think if Pats had a bye they’d have as good a chance as any AFC team to make the Super Bowl. As it stands, they don’t have much of a shot.
In a mediocre conference they are still an above average team.
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I don't think the Pats are bad, but I agree with PhoSita's general line of thinking. This year's Pats, as a whole team, have rarely looked good to great. The offense was doing really well during that 6-game winning streak, but since then has had lots of struggles. The defense has been up and down, with the low point (in my opinion) being last week's debacle in Miami—not just the last play, but the fact that they gave up 34 points to the thoroughly mediocre Dolphins. Their special teams have looked uncharacteristically suspect, even Gostkowski. McDaniels' play-calling, in my opinion, is very questionable, and the offense has been horrid in the red zone. The D and the O almost never play good at the same time. The team just doesn't seem to have "it" this season. I'd call them above average, but not "good."
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Despite their horrendous run D and sloppy play and mental errors, this team is one never-happens play from being 10-4 and in the drivers’s seat for a bye. I think if Pats had a bye they’d have as good a chance as any AFC team to make the Super Bowl. As it stands, they don’t have much of a shot.
In a mediocre conference they are still an above average team.
I think the problem is that "above average" is a low bar compared to what we've had the last 15+ seasons, and also compared to what many of us thought they'd be this season. The defense has never looked good for more than 2 consecutive weeks, and the offense has gone downhill since the 6-game winning streak. A common condition for the Patriots' success has been "as long as they're healthy," but yesterday the offense struggled mightily despite missing no one.
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Not sure. Have they done DVOA for all Superbowl winners? Jets maybe but probably not since there were a lot fewer teams. Colts had a pretty bad defense back 10 years or so. Maybe the Giants in 2007. Their defense came together only in the playoffs if I remember right. Seem to remember Washington having a porous season. Was that 83 or 87? One of Denver's wins was with a bad defense. I would have to do a search.
Here's the DVOA for the last 5 years of teams that have made the Super Bowl:
2017
NE - Offense #1 ... Defense #31 ... ST #3 ... Overall #6
PHI - Offense #8 ... Defense #5 ... ST #16 ... Overall #5
2016
NE - Offense #2 ... Defense #16 ... ST #7 ... Overall #1
ATL - Offense #1 ... Defense #27 ... ST #8 ... Overall #3
2015
DEN - Offense #25 ... Defense #1 ... ST #14 ... Overall #8
CAR - Offense #8 ... Defense #2 ... ST #23 ... Overall #4
2014
NE - Offense #6 ... Defense #11 ... ST #5 ... Overall #4
SEA - Offense #5 ... Defense #1 ... ST #19 ... Overall #1
2013
DEN - Offense #1 ... Defense #15 ... ST #21 ... Overall #2
SEA - Offense #7 ... Defense #1 ... ST #5 ... Overall #1
Going back farther, looking just at the overall DVOA:
2012 - BAL #8 , SF #4
2011 - NE #4, NYG #12 ---- (Giants had #7 Offense #20 Defense)
2010 - PIT #3, GB #2
2009 - IND #8, NO #6
2008 - PIT #4, ARI #20 ---- (Cardinals had #10 Offense #21 Defense)
So you've got a couple instances in the last decade of mediocre teams making the Super Bowl -- the 2011 Giants and the 2008 Cardinals.
The Patriots through Week 14 this season:
#10 overall, #6 Offense, #21 Defense, #19 ST
The offense is surely trending down after yesterday, and the run defense has to be trending down as well. The special teams may be also.
Overall I would say you're right that occasionally bad teams make the Super Bowl. Once in a while, if they have some kind of weird curse against their opponent (as with the Giants and Pats), they even win.
But the overwhelming trend is of Super Bowl contenders having either an elite defense or elite offense, and often both.
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I think the problem is that "above average" is a low bar compared to what we've had the last 15+ seasons, and also compared to what many of us thought they'd be this season. The defense has never looked good for more than 2 consecutive weeks, and the offense has gone downhill since the 6-game winning streak. A common condition for the Patriots' success has been "as long as they're healthy," but yesterday the offense struggled mightily despite missing no one.
I want to really underscore as well that, for me, it's not only that they are a mediocre (i.e. "above average" in a 32 team league).
It's that they are *boring,* often *painful* while also being not particularly good.
In the past, there were years when the Pats had an offense that put up a ton of points, where Gronk dominated or Brady was out of his mind, and the defense was awful. Those teams were sometimes frustrating but often really satisfying to watch.
They pulled out trick plays sometimes and embarrassed lesser opponents. They had several plays a game where it was clear they just totally outsmarted the opponent and got a huge chunk of yardage / scored a TD because they were better, smarter, and more experienced.
This year, it's all dink and dunk, a ton of short yardage runs and screen passes. They don't have a reliable playmaker on offense. Brady is unreliable in the red zone and throwing a lot more interceptions than in the past. The defense occasionally gets some sacks but they give up a ton of rushing yards.
They're just not enjoyable to watch AND they're not very good.
If they were boring but efficient and successful, fine. We've seen Pats teams like that, too. But they aren't that.
If you want to point out that there are plenty of fanbases that would be thrilled to watch a team that is grindy and creaky but nonetheless *decent* and that will have at least one home playoff game, that's fine. You're correct.
There are a lot of fanbases in the NFL starving for a single season of competence. You hand a starving person a piece of stale bread, they're going to gobble it up and thank you profusely because they were starving.
But as a Pats fan -- I know, I'm spoiled -- I'm *not* starving. I've been well fed. I don't have any need or desire to eat stale bread.
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They can't stop the run. Hightower had a bad game in particular in my opinion. That is a point of attack thing, not a scheme thing that can be corrected (as opposed to penalties where many can be corrected). I feel the Patriots are extremely vulnerable this year. Hard to see them winning on the road in the playoffs.
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The Pats aren't great. The good news? Neither are our potential playoff opponents.
The Chiefs have a terrible defense and a very young QB. They haven't looked great lately.
The Chargers have been the biggest choking organization in pro sports the last 12 or so years. One year they had the #2 offense and #1 defense and MISSED THE PLAYOFFS. They will find a humorous way to lose just as they always have.
Houston has never done anything and isn't great.
Pittsburgh is deeply flawed and is unlikely to beat us in Foxborough.
The Rams have been putrid lately. Goff looks to be rapidly losing confidence.
The Bears don't have a QB.
The Saints are talented but generally underperform in the playoffs. They look to me to be the most complete and dangerous team. They are beatable though.
Really the playoff field is not great. Every team has some big questions and flaws. The Pats have a solid chance against any of those clubs.
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I think the problem is that "above average" is a low bar compared to what we've had the last 15+ seasons, and also compared to what many of us thought they'd be this season. The defense has never looked good for more than 2 consecutive weeks, and the offense has gone downhill since the 6-game winning streak. A common condition for the Patriots' success has been "as long as they're healthy," but yesterday the offense struggled mightily despite missing no one.
I want to really underscore as well that, for me, it's not only that they are a mediocre (i.e. "above average" in a 32 team league).
It's that they are *boring,* often *painful* while also being not particularly good.
In the past, there were years when the Pats had an offense that put up a ton of points, where Gronk dominated or Brady was out of his mind, and the defense was awful. Those teams were sometimes frustrating but often really satisfying to watch.
They pulled out trick plays sometimes and embarrassed lesser opponents. They had several plays a game where it was clear they just totally outsmarted the opponent and got a huge chunk of yardage / scored a TD because they were better, smarter, and more experienced.
This year, it's all dink and dunk, a ton of short yardage runs and screen passes. They don't have a reliable playmaker on offense. Brady is unreliable in the red zone and throwing a lot more interceptions than in the past. The defense occasionally gets some sacks but they give up a ton of rushing yards.
They're just not enjoyable to watch AND they're not very good.
If they were boring but efficient and successful, fine. We've seen Pats teams like that, too. But they aren't that.
If you want to point out that there are plenty of fanbases that would be thrilled to watch a team that is grindy and creaky but nonetheless *decent* and that will have at least one home playoff game, that's fine. You're correct.
There are a lot of fanbases in the NFL starving for a single season of competence. You hand a starving person a piece of stale bread, they're going to gobble it up and thank you profusely because they were starving.
But as a Pats fan -- I know, I'm spoiled -- I'm *not* starving. I've been well fed. I don't have any need or desire to eat stale bread.
I agree that overall, the Pats haven’t been a ton of fun to watch this year.
And, that does count for something. I’m a Bears fan, and this has been their most entertaining team since 2006, and maybe since the 1980s. It’s why I’ll always have a soft spot for the 2017 Celts: sometimes a really likable team just comes together and entertains the hell out of you, even if they fall short.
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I agree some of these games have been pretty boring, but I am not sure I agree we don't have any exciting playmakers. Do people not like Josh Gordon? I feel like James White is also extremely dynamic.
Gronk looks like he is moving with cement right now, but he has certainly also been exciting over the years.
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I agree some of these games have been pretty boring, but I am not sure I agree we don't have any exciting playmakers. Do people not like Josh Gordon? I feel like James White is also extremely dynamic.
Gronk looks like he is moving with cement right now, but he has certainly also been exciting over the years.
White is a short pass guy, which is fine, but when that's the bulk of the offense, it's not a great sign.
Gronk, as you say, looks like he should have retired already. He's capable of making some plays, but he looks like he's gonna be using a walker before he's 40.
Josh Gordon has had his moments but is far from a consistent or reliable option at this point.
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I think the problem is that "above average" is a low bar compared to what we've had the last 15+ seasons, and also compared to what many of us thought they'd be this season. The defense has never looked good for more than 2 consecutive weeks, and the offense has gone downhill since the 6-game winning streak. A common condition for the Patriots' success has been "as long as they're healthy," but yesterday the offense struggled mightily despite missing no one.
I want to really underscore as well that, for me, it's not only that they are a mediocre (i.e. "above average" in a 32 team league).
It's that they are *boring,* often *painful* while also being not particularly good.
In the past, there were years when the Pats had an offense that put up a ton of points, where Gronk dominated or Brady was out of his mind, and the defense was awful. Those teams were sometimes frustrating but often really satisfying to watch.
They pulled out trick plays sometimes and embarrassed lesser opponents. They had several plays a game where it was clear they just totally outsmarted the opponent and got a huge chunk of yardage / scored a TD because they were better, smarter, and more experienced.
This year, it's all dink and dunk, a ton of short yardage runs and screen passes. They don't have a reliable playmaker on offense. Brady is unreliable in the red zone and throwing a lot more interceptions than in the past. The defense occasionally gets some sacks but they give up a ton of rushing yards.
They're just not enjoyable to watch AND they're not very good.
If they were boring but efficient and successful, fine. We've seen Pats teams like that, too. But they aren't that.
If you want to point out that there are plenty of fanbases that would be thrilled to watch a team that is grindy and creaky but nonetheless *decent* and that will have at least one home playoff game, that's fine. You're correct.
There are a lot of fanbases in the NFL starving for a single season of competence. You hand a starving person a piece of stale bread, they're going to gobble it up and thank you profusely because they were starving.
But as a Pats fan -- I know, I'm spoiled -- I'm *not* starving. I've been well fed. I don't have any need or desire to eat stale bread.
Like the fake hand off fake reverse, screen back to the rb they run 5 times a game that goes absolutely no where. I'm getting sick to my stomach every game watching some of these terrible play calls. I dont get how we can look so mediocre and boring on offense all game and then all of a sudden with 2 mins left down 7 we can March right down the field with some vertical passes.
And where the heck is james white? Hello top 7 fantasy points up til week 12 and then burkhead comes back and now hes the redheaded step child. I actually hope McDaniels takes a coaching job and sticks with it this offseason..
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I actually hope McDaniels takes a coaching job and sticks with it this offseason..
I used to think it was a good thing that the Pats would have continuity if Josh takes over when Bill retires. This season has kinda soured me on that idea. The playcalling has been really bad.
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I actually hope McDaniels takes a coaching job and sticks with it this offseason..
I used to think it was a good thing that the Pats would have continuity if Josh takes over when Bill retires. This season has kinda soured me on that idea. The playcalling has been really bad.
Same. I always felt like Brady benefitted from McDaniels since he came back from denver/st louis. The offense was always running on full cylinders, a lot of creative plays and quick passes to help our always garbage o line. Also at this stage of bradys career I felt like a new system with a new OC wouldnt bode well, but now that feeling has completely gone. I think brady could use a different creative mind on offense next year because this year the playcalling doesnt seem like it has been in tune with his strengths and weaknesses
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I actually hope McDaniels takes a coaching job and sticks with it this offseason..
I used to think it was a good thing that the Pats would have continuity if Josh takes over when Bill retires. This season has kinda soured me on that idea. The playcalling has been really bad.
McDaniels is already preparing his resume for the Green Bay Packers coaching position, hence why he's trying to draw up all these silly ridiculous plays like running up the middle for 1 or no yard gains, running up the middle on first/second/third and goals for no TD, not incorporating James White (as much) as soon as Rex Burkhead came back, and throwing to high-coverage Edelman/Gronk and not Patterson/Gordon/Hogan.
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I think the problem is that "above average" is a low bar compared to what we've had the last 15+ seasons, and also compared to what many of us thought they'd be this season. The defense has never looked good for more than 2 consecutive weeks, and the offense has gone downhill since the 6-game winning streak. A common condition for the Patriots' success has been "as long as they're healthy," but yesterday the offense struggled mightily despite missing no one.
I want to really underscore as well that, for me, it's not only that they are a mediocre (i.e. "above average" in a 32 team league).
It's that they are *boring,* often *painful* while also being not particularly good.
In the past, there were years when the Pats had an offense that put up a ton of points, where Gronk dominated or Brady was out of his mind, and the defense was awful. Those teams were sometimes frustrating but often really satisfying to watch.
They pulled out trick plays sometimes and embarrassed lesser opponents. They had several plays a game where it was clear they just totally outsmarted the opponent and got a huge chunk of yardage / scored a TD because they were better, smarter, and more experienced.
This year, it's all dink and dunk, a ton of short yardage runs and screen passes. They don't have a reliable playmaker on offense. Brady is unreliable in the red zone and throwing a lot more interceptions than in the past. The defense occasionally gets some sacks but they give up a ton of rushing yards.
They're just not enjoyable to watch AND they're not very good.
If they were boring but efficient and successful, fine. We've seen Pats teams like that, too. But they aren't that.
If you want to point out that there are plenty of fanbases that would be thrilled to watch a team that is grindy and creaky but nonetheless *decent* and that will have at least one home playoff game, that's fine. You're correct.
There are a lot of fanbases in the NFL starving for a single season of competence. You hand a starving person a piece of stale bread, they're going to gobble it up and thank you profusely because they were starving.
But as a Pats fan -- I know, I'm spoiled -- I'm *not* starving. I've been well fed. I don't have any need or desire to eat stale bread.
Like the fake hand off fake reverse, screen back to the rb they run 5 times a game that goes absolutely no where. I'm getting sick to my stomach every game watching some of these terrible play calls. I dont get how we can look so mediocre and boring on offense all game and then all of a sudden with 2 mins left down 7 we can March right down the field with some vertical passes.
And where the heck is james white? Hello top 7 fantasy points up til week 12 and then burkhead comes back and now hes the redheaded step child. I actually hope McDaniels takes a coaching job and sticks with it this offseason..
I've particularly noticed this because White is on my fantasy team and was having a great season until Burkhead came back. Burkhead is a useful player, but he's no White in the open field.
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I actually hope McDaniels takes a coaching job and sticks with it this offseason..
I used to think it was a good thing that the Pats would have continuity if Josh takes over when Bill retires. This season has kinda soured me on that idea. The playcalling has been really bad.
I think McDaniels thinks his offensive line is good at run blocking and that Sony Michel is way better than he is.
Don't get me wrong. He has been very good and had a bunch of long runs negated this year due to stupid penalties. But the amount of times they have tried to go and be conservative and run, have cost them a lot of drives and a lot of three and outs.
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I think the problem is that "above average" is a low bar compared to what we've had the last 15+ seasons, and also compared to what many of us thought they'd be this season. The defense has never looked good for more than 2 consecutive weeks, and the offense has gone downhill since the 6-game winning streak. A common condition for the Patriots' success has been "as long as they're healthy," but yesterday the offense struggled mightily despite missing no one.
I want to really underscore as well that, for me, it's not only that they are a mediocre (i.e. "above average" in a 32 team league).
It's that they are *boring,* often *painful* while also being not particularly good.
In the past, there were years when the Pats had an offense that put up a ton of points, where Gronk dominated or Brady was out of his mind, and the defense was awful. Those teams were sometimes frustrating but often really satisfying to watch.
They pulled out trick plays sometimes and embarrassed lesser opponents. They had several plays a game where it was clear they just totally outsmarted the opponent and got a huge chunk of yardage / scored a TD because they were better, smarter, and more experienced.
This year, it's all dink and dunk, a ton of short yardage runs and screen passes. They don't have a reliable playmaker on offense. Brady is unreliable in the red zone and throwing a lot more interceptions than in the past. The defense occasionally gets some sacks but they give up a ton of rushing yards.
They're just not enjoyable to watch AND they're not very good.
If they were boring but efficient and successful, fine. We've seen Pats teams like that, too. But they aren't that.
If you want to point out that there are plenty of fanbases that would be thrilled to watch a team that is grindy and creaky but nonetheless *decent* and that will have at least one home playoff game, that's fine. You're correct.
There are a lot of fanbases in the NFL starving for a single season of competence. You hand a starving person a piece of stale bread, they're going to gobble it up and thank you profusely because they were starving.
But as a Pats fan -- I know, I'm spoiled -- I'm *not* starving. I've been well fed. I don't have any need or desire to eat stale bread.
Like the fake hand off fake reverse, screen back to the rb they run 5 times a game that goes absolutely no where. I'm getting sick to my stomach every game watching some of these terrible play calls. I dont get how we can look so mediocre and boring on offense all game and then all of a sudden with 2 mins left down 7 we can March right down the field with some vertical passes.
And where the heck is james white? Hello top 7 fantasy points up til week 12 and then burkhead comes back and now hes the redheaded step child. I actually hope McDaniels takes a coaching job and sticks with it this offseason..
I've particularly noticed this because White is on my fantasy team and was having a great season until Burkhead came back. Burkhead is a useful player, but he's no White in the open field.
I just wanted to add that I have not understood this at all either!
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Perhaps with James White they've been trying to limit wear and tear on him. He was on pace for roughly a million touches earlier this season.
Of course, saving him for the playoffs might backfire since they seem to have screwed themselves out of a playoff seeding that would give them a realistic chance to get to the SB.
They might also have desired to become less predictable by relying on him less.
Which, of course, hasn't worked because they're still running all the same lame short pass and middle run plays but with different, less talented players catching the ball.
Generally speaking, it's hard to understand how the Pats decided that their best route to victory in 2018 was to try to string together 5 and 6 yard catches / runs when the league is increasingly dominated by teams that spread it out and pick up yards in big chunks.
Maybe it's a recognition of Brady's limitations at his age, but even at that it's a little hard to understand.
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Josh Gordon stepping away from the Patriots to "focus on his mental health."
I now feel sure that I ought to do the same, for the same reason.
What an awful season.
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Josh Gordon stepping away from the Patriots to "focus on his mental health."
I now feel sure that I ought to do the same, for the same reason.
What an awful season.
Only in New England, where people are so spoiled now that heading towards an 11-5 season is an "awful" season.
Sheesh....
Let's hope Gordon is able to get the help he needs.
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Josh Gordon stepping away from the Patriots to "focus on his mental health."
I now feel sure that I ought to do the same, for the same reason.
What an awful season.
Just gave a lot of hope to others suffering from mental illness who are probably sick and tired of hearing the" what you're rich... How can you be suffering" refrain...
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Josh Gordon stepping away from the Patriots to "focus on his mental health."
I now feel sure that I ought to do the same, for the same reason.
What an awful season.
Only in New England, where people are so spoiled now that heading towards an 11-5 season is an "awful" season.
Sheesh....
Let's hope Gordon is able to get the help he needs.
I've already acknowledged that, yeah, I'm spoiled.
Creaking toward 11-5 and a likely first or second round playoff exit, with a team that is underwhelming in every area, and has gotten worse over the course of the season instead of better -- yeah, it's awful by the high standards the team has set.
Honestly, I don't think 11-5 is by any means guaranteed, either.
I'm bracing myself for the embarrassing playoff defeat, which increasingly looks like it'll be on Wild Card weekend, at home, which would make this one of the worst seasons of the Brady / Belichick era.
I don't begrudge Gordon doing what he needs to do for his mental health, by the way. Indeed, I'm glad that he's doing what he needs to do for himself, instead of trying to push through it.
Although there are some reports that Gordon faced a suspension for violating the terms of his reinstatement (i.e. he probably failed a drug test), so the 'mental health' thing may be, to some extent, his effort to get out ahead of that story. But people often use drugs to deal with mental illness, so the two things are not necessarily incongruent.
I think it's fair to say, though -- the fact that the team needed to rely on a guy that has barely played over the last two years due to issues with drugs and mental health in order to have a playmaker with any kind of juice in the passing game . . . that says a lot about how poorly the roster was set up from an offensive standpoint.
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Josh Gordon stepping away from the Patriots to "focus on his mental health."
I now feel sure that I ought to do the same, for the same reason.
What an awful season.
Only in New England, where people are so spoiled now that heading towards an 11-5 season is an "awful" season.
Sheesh....
Let's hope Gordon is able to get the help he needs.
I've already acknowledged that, yeah, I'm spoiled.
Creaking toward 11-5 and a likely first or second round playoff exit, with a team that is underwhelming in every area, and has gotten worse over the course of the season instead of better -- yeah, it's awful by the high standards the team has set.
Honestly, I don't think 11-5 is by any means guaranteed, either.
I'm bracing myself for the embarrassing playoff defeat, which increasingly looks like it'll be on Wild Card weekend, at home, which would make this one of the worst seasons of the Brady / Belichick era.
I don't begrudge Gordon doing what he needs to do for his mental health, by the way. Indeed, I'm glad that he's doing what he needs to do for himself, instead of trying to push through it.
I think it's fair to say, though -- the fact that the team needed to rely on a guy that has barely played over the last two years due to issues with drugs and mental health in order to have a playmaker with any kind of juice in the passing game . . . that says a lot about how poorly the roster was set up from an offensive standpoint.
He may be facing another drug suspension from what I've read elsewhere.
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He may be facing another drug suspension from what I've read elsewhere.
Yeah, that makes me feel less bad for him. Though as I said above, a lot of people who have problems with drug abuse have mental health issues that contribute to their issues with drugs.
Bottom line, the Pats never should have put themselves in a position where they had to rely on a guy like that to be a significant part of their offense.
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I really hope he gets help. It's truly sad to watch him struggle with issues that plague so many in this country. Unfortunately for him his talent places a magnifier on his situation.
Is it time to officially put a fork in this season? We are back to having no explosive weapons.
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Is it time to officially put a fork in this season? We are back to having no explosive weapons.
Hey now, you get to watch them gasp and sputter their way through two more regular season games and then struggle to win a playoff game at home on Wild Card Weekend against the Colts or Ravens.
So, lots of entertaining football left for the Pats this year. For sure.
Probably the last few games of Gronk's career, though, so ... cherish whatever he does for the next month or so, I suppose.
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Is it time to officially put a fork in this season? We are back to having no explosive weapons.
Hey now, you get to watch them gasp and sputter their way through two more regular season games and then struggle to win a playoff game at home on Wild Card Weekend against the Colts or Ravens.
So, lots of entertaining football left for the Pats this year. For sure.
Probably the last few games of Gronk's career, though, so ... cherish whatever he does for the next month or so, I suppose.
Part of me was holding out hope since there are 0 teams who look unbeatable this year. So is this the end of Brady also? Old quarterbacks need explosive weapons. Its almost a guarantee that Bill isn't going to use draft capital on a dominant safety valve for Brady.
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Josh Gordon stepping away from the Patriots to "focus on his mental health."
I now feel sure that I ought to do the same, for the same reason.
What an awful season.
Only in New England, where people are so spoiled now that heading towards an 11-5 season is an "awful" season.
Sheesh....
Let's hope Gordon is able to get the help he needs.
It's by no means assured that they will, in fact, finish 11-5. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them lose at least one of their final two games, with they way they've been playing.
And it's not just about the record; it's also about how they've arrived at that record. They've had some really bad losses, and in several of their wins either the offense or defense played quite badly.
Like PhoSita, I admit to being a spoiled fan, but the Pats have set a high bar, and there wasn't much (if any) reason to think they'd struggle as much as they have this season. Early on, sure, with Edelman suspended and the fact that New England usually starts slow, but back-to-back losses in December and not really having an identity this late in the season is bad.
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Yeah, I feel that we can't laud the Patriots for being so great when things are going well, then when things fall apart and the team looks uncharacteristically undisciplined and lacking in talent in all three main areas, say "Well, they're better than a lot of the bad teams in the league, why are you complaining?"
I can be grateful for the memories of the last 15 years while also being annoyed / disappointed that they're no fun to watch in the present, when I expected them to be pretty good if not great.
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Part of me was holding out hope since there are 0 teams who look unbeatable this year. So is this the end of Brady also? Old quarterbacks need explosive weapons. Its almost a guarantee that Bill isn't going to use draft capital on a dominant safety valve for Brady.
I have a feeling Brady is going to try to keep playing so long as his body lets him and the team's struggles can't be attributed primarily to any drop-off in his level of play.
So I think we've got at least one more season of Brady.
At the same time, I kind of expect them to keep trying to roll things over and maintain this creaking, leaking ship until Brady retires. So this season might be representative of what we should expect for the next season or two.
If that's the plan, I say go all-in -- do whatever it takes to load up the offense as much as possible. Protect Brady at all costs and get him some better passing options. Even if it means taking away from the defense.
If they're going to be a just-okay also-ran, let them at least be fun.
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Part of me was holding out hope since there are 0 teams who look unbeatable this year. So is this the end of Brady also? Old quarterbacks need explosive weapons. Its almost a guarantee that Bill isn't going to use draft capital on a dominant safety valve for Brady.
I have a feeling Brady is going to try to keep playing so long as his body lets him and the team's struggles can't be attributed primarily to any drop-off in his level of play.
So I think we've got at least one more season of Brady.
At the same time, I kind of expect them to keep trying to roll things over and maintain this creaking, leaking ship until Brady retires. So this season might be representative of what we should expect for the next season or two.
If that's the plan, I say go all-in -- do whatever it takes to load up the offense as much as possible. Protect Brady at all costs and get him some better passing options. Even if it means taking away from the defense.
If they're going to be a just-okay also-ran, let them at least be fun.
I agree. It would be fun to at least see the Pats with a legit high-powered offense scoring 30+ every game. Right now it's like watching a bunch of former professional athletes playing a pickup game 10 years after they retired.
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Part of me was holding out hope since there are 0 teams who look unbeatable this year. So is this the end of Brady also? Old quarterbacks need explosive weapons. Its almost a guarantee that Bill isn't going to use draft capital on a dominant safety valve for Brady.
I have a feeling Brady is going to try to keep playing so long as his body lets him and the team's struggles can't be attributed primarily to any drop-off in his level of play.
So I think we've got at least one more season of Brady.
At the same time, I kind of expect them to keep trying to roll things over and maintain this creaking, leaking ship until Brady retires. So this season might be representative of what we should expect for the next season or two.
If that's the plan, I say go all-in -- do whatever it takes to load up the offense as much as possible. Protect Brady at all costs and get him some better passing options. Even if it means taking away from the defense.
If they're going to be a just-okay also-ran, let them at least be fun.
That's why it never made sense to deal Cooks.
If you're going to go all-in with Brady, then you've got to build for the present. It makes less sense to build for the future when you're going to be left with an old team and no franchise QB.
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That's why it never made sense to deal Cooks.
If you're going to go all-in with Brady, then you've got to build for the present. It makes less sense to build for the future when you're going to be left with an old team and no franchise QB.
Yeah, I think that was another example of one of Bill's arrogance with regard to believing he can always find somebody else off the scrap heap, free agency, or at the end of the draft to replace a talented skill player.
Nevermind that the Pats haven't drafted a WR or TE that became a regular part of the passing game in 5+ years.
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Wow...so Patriot Nation is ready to jump off the "In Belichick and Brady We Trust" train straight into complaining about how unexciting this team is, how Belichick views roster construction, how 11 wins is a bad season and how it's time to give up on a season that isn't complete yet.
Did the Superbowls against St Louis and Atlanta tach us nothing? We can win any game, no matter how much prognosticators say we won't and no matter how much the game looks out of reach. That's what those SBs taught us. I'm going to wait to call this team dead until it actually is dead.
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Wow...so Patriot Nation is ready to jump off the "In Belichick and Brady We Trust" train straight into complaining about how unexciting this team is, how Belichick views roster construction, how 11 wins is a bad season and how it's time to give up on a season that isn't complete yet.
Did the Superbowls against St Louis and Atlanta tach us nothing? We can win any game, no matter how much prognosticators say we won't and no matter how much the game looks out of reach. That's what those SBs taught us. I'm going to wait to call this team dead until it actually is dead.
I am not into complaining about belichick or brady at all. I also think we could still win the super bowl. That being said there are individual moves I haven't liked over the years, and some of them I have been proven right on. I didn't like the Cooks deal at the time given our window and brady's age and how hard it has been to find consistent production at wr throughout Brady's career. The deal looks even worse now.
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Wow...so Patriot Nation is ready to jump off the "In Belichick and Brady We Trust" train straight into complaining about how unexciting this team is, how Belichick views roster construction, how 11 wins is a bad season and how it's time to give up on a season that isn't complete yet.
Did the Superbowls against St Louis and Atlanta tach us nothing? We can win any game, no matter how much prognosticators say we won't and no matter how much the game looks out of reach. That's what those SBs taught us. I'm going to wait to call this team dead until it actually is dead.
For me, it's not so much about jumping off the Brady/Belichick train as it is simply recognizing that the Pats have been far from their best this season (quite a bit below general expectations), some key decisions seem wrong in hindsight (trading Cooks, getting rid of Jones and Collins, not beefing up the D), and that the current iteration is kinda painful to watch. Sure, things can change, but they just lost their best deep threat, the O-line is (as usual) kinda bad, there's no real pass rush (again, as usual), and McDaniels seems to not want to call any plays besides runs up the middle and short passes.
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What is a little disconcerting is that this year has turned out to be a year without a dominant team heading into the final stretch. If BB had loaded up this year, the AFC would be for the taking. Even as mediocre as the Pats have looked lately, it is not inconceivable that the Pats can get a 2 seed and be in another AFC Championship game.
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Pats looking terrible while up 15 on the Bills. Never seen Brady look worse. Running game is great today, but O-line cannot pass block. Brady has been bad AND he's had no time to throw.
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Philly edges Houston and Pats somehow end up in driver's seat for a bye. Wow. Still even have a shot at the 1-seed if KC loses in Seattle.
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Philly edges Houston and Pats somehow end up in driver's seat for a bye. Wow. Still even have a shot at the 1-seed if KC loses in Seattle.
Last week was ridiculous with the pre-snap penalties and that obviously threw everybody off their game, but the Miami game should be considered a 'win.' Yes, I know they didn't technically win, but they played the end of the game (until the very last play) just as every other team would - preparing for and assuming a win. There is a reason people are calling it a miracle - that just never ever happens in the NFL.
My point being, even though the Pats haven't looked pristine, they are essentially 11-4, and nobody would really fault them for losing on the road to a desperate Steelers team by one possession (and several realistic chances to tie). They may not be favorites to win the Super Bowl, but they have as good of a chance as any other team.
Unbelievably, after all this drama, the Pats [deservedly] are in line for a bye, then a home game against a faltering team that they've already beaten. The season may not have played out as people may have hoped, but it's a pretty great position in which to be.
Note, this could all drastically change with a loss to the Jets next weekend...eek, don't let that happen! :o
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Philly edges Houston and Pats somehow end up in driver's seat for a bye. Wow. Still even have a shot at the 1-seed if KC loses in Seattle.
Last week was ridiculous with the pre-snap penalties and that obviously threw everybody off their game, but the Miami game should be considered a 'win.' Yes, I know they didn't technically win, but they played the end of the game (until the very last play) just as every other team would - preparing for and assuming a win. There is a reason people are calling it a miracle - that just never ever happens in the NFL.
My point being, even though the Pats haven't looked pristine, they are essentially 11-4, and nobody would really fault them for losing on the road to a desperate Steelers team by one possession (and several realistic chances to tie). They may not be favorites to win the Super Bowl, but they have as good of a chance as any other team.
Unbelievably, after all this drama, the Pats [deservedly] are in line for a bye, then a home game against a faltering team that they've already beaten. The season may not have played out as people may have hoped, but it's a pretty great position in which to be.
Note, this could all drastically change with a loss to the Jets next weekend...eek, don't let that happen! :o
Well, that and the fact that "miracle" and "Miami" are alliterative. ;D
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So at the end of the day, the Dolphins and Steelers both receive karma as the Miami Miracle ultimately doesn't mean much (they got eliminated today, and we still keep the 2 seed thanks to PHI), and the Steelers beat us last week but lost today and thanks to BAL's win last night are OUT of the playoff picture right now ;)
With that said though, I tend to agree with @neurotic...
Pats looking terrible while up 15 on the Bills. Never seen Brady look worse. Running game is great today, but O-line cannot pass block. Brady has been bad AND he's had no time to throw.
The O-Line actually hasn't been terrible, it's just you have to remember, Buffalo's defense is actually one of the best in the league (even Top-5), it's just their offense is terrible and that obviously showed today as well. Our O-Line is pretty mobile during a play and tends to give TB12 time. Brady on the other hand just looks sluggish. The offense as a whole has looked uncharacteristically bad as Edelman is dropping passes/getting flagged, Gronk is a shell of himself, and of course the turnovers. 1 bad INT from Brady, another INT courtesy of Gronk, and then a Burkhead fumble.
Philly edges Houston and Pats somehow end up in driver's seat for a bye. Wow. Still even have a shot at the 1-seed if KC loses in Seattle.
But with that said though, it's impressive how a 10-5 season so far with a 2 seed in our hand and some sluggish play is what we call a "down year" here :P
Goes to show how impressive this team has been since the turn of the century!
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So at the end of the day, the Dolphins and Steelers both receive karma as the Miami Miracle ultimately doesn't mean much (they got eliminated today, and we still keep the 2 seed thanks to PHI), and the Steelers beat us last week but lost today and thanks to BAL's win last night are OUT of the playoff picture right now ;)
With that said though, I tend to agree with @neurotic...
Pats looking terrible while up 15 on the Bills. Never seen Brady look worse. Running game is great today, but O-line cannot pass block. Brady has been bad AND he's had no time to throw.
The O-Line actually hasn't been terrible, it's just you have to remember, Buffalo's defense is actually one of the best in the league (even Top-5), it's just their offense is terrible and that obviously showed today as well. Our O-Line is pretty mobile during a play and tends to give TB12 time. Brady on the other hand just looks sluggish. The offense as a whole has looked uncharacteristically bad as Edelman is dropping passes/getting flagged, Gronk is a shell of himself, and of course the turnovers. 1 bad INT from Brady, another INT courtesy of Gronk, and then a Burkhead fumble.
Philly edges Houston and Pats somehow end up in driver's seat for a bye. Wow. Still even have a shot at the 1-seed if KC loses in Seattle.
But with that said though, it's impressive how a 10-5 season so far with a 2 seed in our hand and some sluggish play is what we call a "down year" here :P
Goes to show how impressive this team has been since the turn of the century!
Still have a shot at the 1-seed if Oakland beats KC next week. In which it may be the last "Oakland" Raiders game forever.
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Not going to quote you Sparz, just because it’s so long... but:
Both the Chargers and Chiefs need to lose next week, coupled with a Pats win in order to get the #1 seed.
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Not going to quote you Sparz, just because it’s so long... but:
Both the Chargers and Chiefs need to lose next week, coupled with a Pats win in order to get the #1 seed.
Ah yes that too. Long shot, but it's possible. Though I'm quite content with the #2 seed for this season.
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I just cannot believe that Miami play is keeping us from HFA through the playoffs this year.
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I know this is a Patriots related thread but I "MUST" get this off my chest.
I hereby dedicate this clip to my beloved Washington Redskins.
(https://redlineroundup.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/losing.jpg?w=500)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN-aCYVVtyo
Losing is TRULY a disease with my Washington Redskins....they just released DJ Swearinger.
Ok - I get it that he violated team rules. I get it that he's been warned repeatedly.
But compound THIS on yet ANOTHER LOSING SEASON for my Washington Redskins.............
PATRIOTS FANS - count your blessings. Don't EVER get spoiled by your success.
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Not going to quote you Sparz, just because it’s so long... but:
Both the Chargers and Chiefs need to lose next week, coupled with a Pats win in order to get the #1 seed.
Ah yes that too. Long shot, but it's possible. Though I'm quite content with the #2 seed for this season.
Actually, getting the 2 seed isn't terrible depending on how you view Houston.
The 1 seed is likely to play any of BAL/PIT/LAC/IND/TEN (all depends on who wins the AFC North and who claims the 6 seed - right now I'd say its BAL 4 seed and IND 6). The 2 seed is likely to play HOU.
Personally, HOU doesn't scare me as much and we've had relative success against them over the years. We should beat them at home as long as we contain Hopkins (which we've done well recently) and keep Watson in the pocket (don't let him run for big gains often).
BAL on the other hand is on fire right now. LAC is very balanced on both sides of the ball. PIT is also talented and has the pass rush to get to Brady (as we saw a week ago). And TEN/IND to me have that uniqueness in their teams that could throw us off-guard.
Meanwhile I could see any of BAL/IND/LAC going into Arrowhead and winning, so maybe we could end up hosting the AFCCG as well anyways ;D
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I just cannot believe that Miami play is keeping us from HFA through the playoffs this year.
I believe it. They've struggled in Miami for years, and this season overall has mostly been a grind for the Pats. They're actually fortunate if they do, in fact, end up with the 2 seed.
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I just cannot believe that Miami play is keeping us from HFA through the playoffs this year.
I believe it. They've struggled in Miami for years, and this season overall has mostly been a grind for the Pats. They're actually fortunate if they do, in fact, end up with the 2 seed.
It could easily be said that other teams are lucky they are not 13-2 right now and cruising to their whatever in a record breaking row record of making it to the AFC championship game and beyond.
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I just cannot believe that Miami play is keeping us from HFA through the playoffs this year.
I believe it. They've struggled in Miami for years, and this season overall has mostly been a grind for the Pats. They're actually fortunate if they do, in fact, end up with the 2 seed.
It could easily be said that other teams are lucky they are not 13-2 right now and cruising to their whatever in a record breaking row record of making it to the AFC championship game and beyond.
You could make that argument, but I think their play this year is much more in line with 10-5 than 13-2.
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I just cannot believe that Miami play is keeping us from HFA through the playoffs this year.
I believe it. They've struggled in Miami for years, and this season overall has mostly been a grind for the Pats. They're actually fortunate if they do, in fact, end up with the 2 seed.
You could blame the last play in Miami, but I texted my friends right after the Brady mind-cramp at the half that the Pats just lost the game and probably HFA. I was actually more shocked by Brady's mistake than by the miracle at the end.
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I just cannot believe that Miami play is keeping us from HFA through the playoffs this year.
I believe it. They've struggled in Miami for years, and this season overall has mostly been a grind for the Pats. They're actually fortunate if they do, in fact, end up with the 2 seed.
You could blame the last play in Miami, but I texted my friends right after the Brady mind-cramp at the half that the Pats just lost the game and probably HFA. I was actually more shocked by Brady's mistake than by the miracle at the end.
Also, in the 2nd to last Pats drive last week @PIT, I had faith we could sneak it out and win despite how sluggish we looked. But then Brady had ANOTHER mind-cramp and threw that awful INT. Like.. Brady never does that. I understand trying to throw a rocket into the endzone or a ball just getting tipped (unlucky) and getting picked, but Brady practically floating that right to Haden (their CB) was just an awful decision overall. Even if we don't score a TD, we can make it from a 14-10 deficit to just a 14-13 one, but we obviously didn't score there while PIT went down the field and extended the lead.
We can obviously talk about talent, roster, etc. but another part of the game is decision-making and mental toughness, and unfortunately this team really seems to lack that these days. Hopefully that changes in January. I do think our rich playoff experience will help us out there though.
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Huge win for the Patriots in Week 17 over the Jets. The first time of the season where the offense, defense, and special teams did not have any blunders.
AFC Playoffs are set.
1. Kansas City
2. New England
3. Houston
4. Baltimore
5. Los Angeles
6. Indianapolis
Hopefully, the Patriots draw the Texans in the Divisional Rounds as they're probably the easiest of the six. But don't bank on it as the Colts are poised to upset the Texans. Meanwhile, Chargers and Ravens duke it out in their rematch. Hopefully they wear themselves out. I'd prefer one of them going into Kansas City and pulling an upset so the AFCCG will still go through Foxboro (assuming the Patriots take care of business in the Divisional Rounds). This year won't be easy for the Patriots as years before where they cakewalked through their playoffs to the Superbowl.
The NFC is interesting. Eagles @ Bears will be good. Cowboys don't look that great and neither do the Seahawks. Rams are overrated. Ultimately, I see a Bears-Saints NFCCG with the Saints going to Superbowl 53 and beat whoever represents the AFC. Ironically, in 2009, the Saints lost to the Bucs, Cowboys, and Panthers and they won their Superbowl that year. This year, they lost to the same three teams and having home-field advantage.
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It's the ninth straight year they have earned a bye. Incredible.
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Headed into the NFL playoffs, and I'm looking at the seedings to try to figure out what I think is going to happen.
I've already spent plenty of time explaining how flawed I think this year's Pats team is.
Yet they have a bye and have been a much better team at home. Will they make the AFC Championship once again?
AFC
6 vs 3 -- I think Indianapolis is the better team here, and I expect them to beat a crappy Houston team.
5 vs 4 -- LAC wins. In my mind the Chargers are the best team in the AFC despite their seeding.
That sets up:
6 vs 1 -- KC wins this battle of two offensive teams with gunslinger QBs.
5 vs 2 -- Pats are a better team at home, but I think the Chargers are the better team by a good margin. Just more dangerous with a younger QB. I think LAC wins this one.
5 vs 1 -- Balanced LAC team w/ the veteran QB vs the offensive KC team w/ a young gunslinger and veteran HC. I just can't imagine Andy Reid not finding a way to mess this up. I pick LAC.
NFC
6 vs 3 -- Philly has the SB mystique, but the Bears are a better team. Their defense will be too much for Foles.
5 vs 4 -- Seattle is the better, more playoff tested team. Better HC, better QB, better defense. They'll win.
3 vs 2 -- The Rams offense is almost as great as the Bears defense. Neither team has a great QB. I think the Bears could win this, but I think home field and a great running game will give the Rams the edge.
5 vs 1 -- Saints are at home and a better team than Seattle, I think. Much more potent offense and a solid defense. Saints win.
2 vs 1 -- This is a rematch from a game in November of this season that the Saints won 45-35. I think the Rams win this time.
That would make the Super Bowl -- Rams vs Chargers. An All-LA Super Bowl!
I mean, who knows. In a single elimination tournament anything can happen, it's not that crazy for any team to get hot for four straight.
I'd love to see Phillip Rivers win a SB before the end of his career. He's had a lot of painful years playing for the Chargers, a team with more than a fair share of bad luck.
It wouldn't shock me if the Bears make it to the SB and win by simply making every game ugly and dominating with defense the way the Broncos did a few years ago.
The Saints have home field for the NFC playoffs and Brees has been good. With that said, their offense is not quite on the same level as the Rams, and their defense is solid but not a game-breaking unit like the Bears.
If I had to put money on a team, I think I'd put it on the Rams. Best NFC team by DVOA. Elite offense and a decent defense with some dangerous playmakers.
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Headed into the NFL playoffs, and I'm looking at the seedings to try to figure out what I think is going to happen.
I've already spent plenty of time explaining how flawed I think this year's Pats team is.
Yet they have a bye and have been a much better team at home. Will they make the AFC Championship once again?
AFC
6 vs 3 -- I think Indianapolis is the better team here, and I expect them to beat a crappy Houston team.
5 vs 4 -- LAC wins. In my mind the Chargers are the best team in the AFC despite their seeding.
That sets up:
6 vs 1 -- KC wins this battle of two offensive teams with gunslinger QBs.
5 vs 2 -- Pats are a better team at home, but I think the Chargers are the better team by a good margin. Just more dangerous with a younger QB. I think LAC wins this one.
5 vs 1 -- Balanced LAC team w/ the veteran QB vs the offensive KC team w/ a young gunslinger and veteran HC. I just can't imagine Andy Reid not finding a way to mess this up. I pick LAC.
NFC
6 vs 3 -- Philly has the SB mystique, but the Bears are a better team. Their defense will be too much for Foles.
5 vs 4 -- Seattle is the better, more playoff tested team. Better HC, better QB, better defense. They'll win.
3 vs 2 -- The Rams offense is almost as great as the Bears defense. Neither team has a great QB. I think the Bears could win this, but I think home field and a great running game will give the Rams the edge.
5 vs 1 -- Saints are at home and a better team than Seattle, I think. Much more potent offense and a solid defense. Saints win.
2 vs 1 -- This is a rematch from a game in November of this season that the Saints won 45-35. I think the Rams win this time.
That would make the Super Bowl -- Rams vs Chargers. An All-LA Super Bowl!
I mean, who knows. In a single elimination tournament anything can happen, it's not that crazy for any team to get hot for four straight.
I'd love to see Phillip Rivers win a SB before the end of his career. He's had a lot of painful years playing for the Chargers, a team with more than a fair share of bad luck.
It wouldn't shock me if the Bears make it to the SB and win by simply making every game ugly and dominating with defense the way the Broncos did a few years ago.
The Saints have home field for the NFC playoffs and Brees has been good. With that said, their offense is not quite on the same level as the Rams, and their defense is solid but not a game-breaking unit like the Bears.
If I had to put money on a team, I think I'd put it on the Rams. Best NFC team by DVOA. Elite offense and a decent defense with some dangerous playmakers.
Im most afraid of Baltimore and the Chiefs as a Pats fan. Chiefs because theyre the number 1 seed on the road, and we barely beat them at home, and baltimore because NE tends to be bad ar coveringbacks out of the backfield andd giving up big qb runs, so...
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The Ravens would scare me because their the Ravens and this Pats season reminds me most of the 09 season.
At the same time, the Pats have historically done pretty well against running QBs, and Lamar Jackson is the most run-reliant QB in the league now. The Pats have a disciplined defense, for whatever else you can say about their D.
Unfortunately, they also have a laughably slow run defense.
So .... I dunno.
I think I'd pick the Pats at home against the Texans, but I'd be reluctant to pick them against anybody else, including the Colts, who they won't face unless Indianapolis somehow made it to the AFC title game (they won't).
I might pick them against the Ravens, anyway, though. The Ravens just feel like a gimmick team with Lamar Jackson, and it's hard to imagine Belichick losing to a rookie QB with such a limited passing game.
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Here's how I see it all shaping out (using my mind, not my heart). And yes I'll put score predictions too but we all know it's all going to be very wrong :P
WILD CARD
Texans > Colts 27-24
Cowboys > Seahawks 24-20
Chargers > Ravens 23-20
Bears > Eagles 27-17
DIVISIONAL
Chiefs > Chargers 35-31
Bears > Rams 20-17
Patriots > Texans 34-24
Saints > Cowboys 34-21
AFC/NFC CHAMPIONSHIP
Chiefs > Patriots 28-20 :'( :'( :'(
Saints > Bears 31-17
SUPER BOWL
Saints > Chiefs 38-27
To me, the Ravens and Colts are both two of the most dangerous AFC teams heading into the playoffs and both have been red hot lately. Either one could make the SB. With that said, I think HOU will edge out IND in a close one at home (one that's somewhat sloppy by both sides). I think there is also pressure on Phillip Rivers about HOF-status and such (though I think he's a HOF'er no doubt), and going one and done would be brutal. I see him and the Chargers playing their hearts out and beating BAL but then losing a nail-biter to KC at Arrowhead (don't see KC losing twice to LAC at home).
NE beats HOU in a close one as they have in recent years too but then this is where the Miami Miracle and not having the 1 seed hurts. I just don't see this team winning at Arrowhead, period. I know BAL and LAC are both dangerous teams (LAC the most BALANCED of all AFC teams) but I like our chances better against either at HOME as opposed to going to Arrowhead to play KC.
I think the NFC is somewhat straightforward. I don't see anyone going into New Orleans and leaving with a win. I think CHI's defense is legit and they'll upset the Rams again, but then fall to Brees and the Saints. Cowboys-Seahawks I think will be fun and entertaining, and could very well be the best game of the Wild Card round easily. I think the Cowboys have pressure in regards to their coaching staff and Dak, because if after all that they go one-and-done, then there could be serious changes (or some guys get put on the hot seat for sure for next season). Eagles defense is injured/flawed this year so even with Foles I don't see them going deep in the playoffs this year.
Then for the SB, the Saints and Chiefs have explosive offenses, but NO for sure have the better defense and that to me makes the difference.
Brees gets his 2nd and I'm perfectly fine with that (Brady is still the GOAT though!). Actually, I'm fine with ANY of the playoff teams winning it all as long as it's not PHI, BAL or IND (IND because of our history with them, their fans and FO but I do like Luck and a lot of their players).
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So Colts win which means the Pats get the Ravens or Chargers which had to be the worse option for the Pats. Here's hoping my Ravens pull it out tomorrow and then go into New England and win. I feel both better and worse about their chances of doing so with Lamar as he is so dynamic and problematic, but has no experience and might get overwhelmed, something Flacco definitely would not have happen. Plus with playing the Chargers just 2 weeks ago this is the first team that gets a second look at Lamar. I imagine they will have something up their sleeve. Hopefully it doesn't matter.
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I will feel better playing the warm weather Chargers than the Ravens and their experienced coach who has won in New England in the playoffs, but even if it is the Ravens, I could see Belichick putting together a game plan to confuse and stop Lamar Jackson. Just don't have a lot of confidence in a rookie run first QB walking into Foxborough in January and pulling out a win.
Either way, I see the Pat's in the AFC Finals.
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I will feel better playing the warm weather Chargers than the Ravens and their experienced coach who has won in New England in the playoffs, but even if it is the Ravens, I could see Belichick putting together a game plan to confuse and stop Lamar Jackson. Just don't have a lot of confidence in a rookie run first QB walking into Foxborough in January and pulling out a win.
Either way, I see the Pat's in the AFC Finals.
The question is, can the Colts compete against the Chiefs? I think the Chiefs are in much better shape in an offensive shootout, which is what the Colts will give them on a good day. I really thought the Ravens could give the Chiefs trouble, and the Chargers obviously are a great road team.
Oh well. I fell like if the Pats make a run this year, it's going to be a slog and we need to catch some breaks. Last couple of years we've had a pretty easy path to the Super Bowl. Maybe with Gronk and Edelman getting older there will be a Celtics 2010 vibe...
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Chiefs will steamroll the Colts. They got that extra rest, no travel, and the Colts are a bit banged up.
Patriots will have to pick their poison- well-balanced offense/defense in SD Chargers, or #1 defense and mobile QB in Baltimore.
For viewing ratings, go with a classic Rivers-Brady showdown.
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Anyone saw Allen Hurn's leg snapped in half in that game? That looked like Gordon Hayward's injury. Gave me the chills again.
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Chiefs will steamroll the Colts. They got that extra rest, no travel, and the Colts are a bit banged up.
Patriots will have to pick their poison- well-balanced offense/defense in SD Chargers, or #1 defense and mobile QB in Baltimore.
For viewing ratings, go with a classic Rivers-Brady showdown.
SD (LA?) has always fallen all over themselves in the playoffs and I expect that again. I fear more the Ravens just because of history and an actual coach.
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Chiefs will steamroll the Colts. They got that extra rest, no travel, and the Colts are a bit banged up.
Patriots will have to pick their poison- well-balanced offense/defense in SD Chargers, or #1 defense and mobile QB in Baltimore.
For viewing ratings, go with a classic Rivers-Brady showdown.
SD (LA?) has always fallen all over themselves in the playoffs and I expect that again. I fear more the Ravens just because of history and an actual coach.
Yeah, they're the L.A. Chargers now.
As a Pats fan, I feel more concerned about the Ravens than the Chargers. But whatevs. Whatever's gonna be will be.
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Anyone saw Allen Hurn's leg snapped in half in that game? That looked like Gordon Hayward's injury. Gave me the chills again.
Hadn't heard, so I just looked it up—horrible. Looks awful. I hate it when players get injured, especially in gruesome fashion.
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The Miami game finally comes back to bite the Pats. The ideal scenario was to play the Texans at home while leaving the winner of BAL/LAC to go at the Chiefs. Now the Chiefs get a much easier game and we end up with a tough one either way (Chargers were actually better than us!).
I don't see how KC loses, so even if we do pull it out, we have to go on the road in Arrowhead (not an easy task). Of course this is all doable and I doubt anybody is looking forward to facing Tom/Bill and the Patriots, but this was definitely the year some breaks would have been appreciated.
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The Miami game finally comes back to bite the Pats. The ideal scenario was to play the Texans at home while leaving the winner of BAL/LAC to go at the Chiefs. Now the Chiefs get a much easier game and we end up with a tough one either way (Chargers were actually better than us!).
I don't see how KC loses, so even if we do pull it out, we have to go on the road in Arrowhead (not an easy task). Of course this is all doable and I doubt anybody is looking forward to facing Tom/Bill and the Patriots, but this was definitely the year some breaks would have been appreciated.
The Patriots have no one to blame but the Patriots. The usual slow start to the season plus the Miami blunder were enough to alter the course of their season. I think I'd rather see them face L.A., but either one would be a tough opponent.
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The Pats are going to be fine against either of these teams.
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The Pats are going to be fine against either of these teams.
Neither is lighting it up that’s for sure. But Baltimore sure looks like the easier opponent.
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The Pats are going to be fine against either of these teams.
Chargers can give the Patriots some trouble.
Ravens are a joke, though.
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No guarantees SD will be inept two games in a row. But they are the Chargers.
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No guarantees SD will be inept two games in a row. But they are the Chargers.
Should be great game next week.
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What will line be? Pats -5?
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The Chargers really wanted to blow this one. That team just loves to choke.
Even if the Pats play poorly it is nice knowing the Chargers will leave the door open for a Pats comeback.
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Either way, we were going to pick our poison here. Both teams are capable of beating NE at Foxboro and each presented unique challenges for the Pats.
With that said, I'm actually okay facing the Chargers. Remember folks, the Chargers already played the Ravens once in the regular season so they were more familiar with them, which the Pats aren't. And did anyone actually think our O-Line could hold up against that fierce, physical Ravens pass rush? Brady would have been throttled many times. We don't have as much talent all over on offense and the Ravens defense is physical everywhere.
We saw late what BAL's offense was capable of doing, while we also saw why LAC never seems to get much respect (their choking tendencies).
It'll be a tough game, but I like our chances at home in what is likely to be 30 degree weather (today in Baltimore I think it was 50+). Chargers are the most balanced team in the AFC Playoffs, but they aren't that explosive on either side of the ball IMO.
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Here's how I see it all shaping out (using my mind, not my heart). And yes I'll put score predictions too but we all know it's all going to be very wrong :P
WILD CARD
Texans > Colts 27-24
Cowboys > Seahawks 24-20
Chargers > Ravens 23-20
Bears > Eagles 27-17
DIVISIONAL
Chiefs > Chargers 35-31
Bears > Rams 20-17
Patriots > Texans 34-24
Saints > Cowboys 34-21
AFC/NFC CHAMPIONSHIP
Chiefs > Patriots 28-20 :'( :'( :'(
Saints > Bears 31-17
SUPER BOWL
Saints > Chiefs 38-27
To me, the Ravens and Colts are both two of the most dangerous AFC teams heading into the playoffs and both have been red hot lately. Either one could make the SB. With that said, I think HOU will edge out IND in a close one at home (one that's somewhat sloppy by both sides). I think there is also pressure on Phillip Rivers about HOF-status and such (though I think he's a HOF'er no doubt), and going one and done would be brutal. I see him and the Chargers playing their hearts out and beating BAL but then losing a nail-biter to KC at Arrowhead (don't see KC losing twice to LAC at home).
NE beats HOU in a close one as they have in recent years too but then this is where the Miami Miracle and not having the 1 seed hurts. I just don't see this team winning at Arrowhead, period. I know BAL and LAC are both dangerous teams (LAC the most BALANCED of all AFC teams) but I like our chances better against either at HOME as opposed to going to Arrowhead to play KC.
I think the NFC is somewhat straightforward. I don't see anyone going into New Orleans and leaving with a win. I think CHI's defense is legit and they'll upset the Rams again, but then fall to Brees and the Saints. Cowboys-Seahawks I think will be fun and entertaining, and could very well be the best game of the Wild Card round easily. I think the Cowboys have pressure in regards to their coaching staff and Dak, because if after all that they go one-and-done, then there could be serious changes (or some guys get put on the hot seat for sure for next season). Eagles defense is injured/flawed this year so even with Foles I don't see them going deep in the playoffs this year.
Then for the SB, the Saints and Chiefs have explosive offenses, but NO for sure have the better defense and that to me makes the difference.
Brees gets his 2nd and I'm perfectly fine with that (Brady is still the GOAT though!). Actually, I'm fine with ANY of the playoff teams winning it all as long as it's not PHI, BAL or IND (IND because of our history with them, their fans and FO but I do like Luck and a lot of their players).
WELP. So far I'm 1-2 in these predictions. GO BEARS! :P
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The Pats are going to be fine against either of these teams.
I'm confident that the Pats would find a way to struggle against either team. And when I say "struggle," I don't mean the normal challenges any team encounters and has to overcome in postseason competition against other good teams; I mean things that they have at least some control over but in which they fail to execute properly or make the right choice—for example, failing to have a good red-zone game plan (looking at you, McDaniels), or failing to make necessary adjustments midgame, or committing too many penalties, or doing a bad job of blocking or tackling.
The Chargers will be a tough out, but they have a history of big-time screwups in key situations, so that could work in New England's favor. Plus, the Pats are at home, where they rarely lose. I think the Pats will win, but I think they'll make it harder on themselves than they have to.
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Oh, that freaking sucks. What a bad beat for Chicago.
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Oh, that freaking sucks. What a bad beat for Chicago.
Amazing
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Oh, that freaking sucks. What a bad beat for Chicago.
Brutal. Their kicker had a pretty rough season with hitting the posts
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Feel bad for the kicker.
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unbelievable...
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Oh, that freaking sucks. What a bad beat for Chicago.
I just had a bad feeling after the timeout was called to ice the kicker and he made the FG that, "oh he's going to miss the next one, isn't he" and he did in crazy fashion (two doinks) :(
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Oh, that freaking sucks. What a bad beat for Chicago.
Brutal. Their kicker had a pretty rough season with hitting the posts
He had the second-most missed kicks in the NFL this season with 10 (including FGs and PATs). Figures that the freakin Eagles, whom I despise after last Super Bowl, barely squeaked into the playoffs and then barely stayed alive today. They're shaping up to be this year's version of the '07 Giants (hopefully they don't face the Pats in a SB rematch and win again).
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Eagles special teams missing credit for the tip
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KC looks unbeatable today so far. Mahomes hasn't missed a throw. An easy 14-0 to start this one. If the Pats can get by LA, looks like KC at home is a machine.
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Indy's defense did pretty well in the second half. Pats could have a chance in Arrowhead. But they have to take care of business tomorrow for their toughest game of the year.
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Indy's defense did pretty well in the second half. Pats could have a chance in Arrowhead. But they have to take care of business tomorrow for their toughest game of the year.
I am hoping what we saw today from KCs defense was due to a very bad game by Indy -- especially their offensive line. If Pats have a chance at Arrowhead, they'll need to be able to score -- because KC will score.
But.... Pats will be fortunate to get by LA.
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Indy was awful. We should make a game of it if we get past Chargers.
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I think Pats win by double digits
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Good start for the Pats. Brady to Edelman looks on point today.
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I think if you swapped QBs and coaches, this could easily be a blowout in the other direction. The Chargers might have equal talent, but they’re definitely being outcoached and outclassed at QB.
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I think if you swapped QBs and coaches, this could easily be a blowout in the other direction. The Chargers might have equal talent, but they’re definitely being outcoached and outclassed at QB.
What I've seen so far is the Pats are dominating the line of scrimmage on both sides.
Phil hasn't really had much of an opportunity to do anything.
Meanwhile brady has barely been touched.
That's not to say Brady and bill don't deserve any credit, but I think this game so far is a great example of how sometimes football comes down simply to who owns the line.
I think it's important to point out though that Edelman has been great so far today, his best game in months. Michel is taking full advantage of what the oline is giving him.
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Final Score: 41-28 / BradY: 343 yds, 1 td / Rivers: 331 yds, 3 tds
If you didn't watch, you might think it was a pretty good game, but this was an absolute thrashing by the Pats. 35-7 at the half and they essentially just tried to wind down the time in the 2nd half while Rivers and the Chargers shamelessly went after stats (seriously, what are they doing taking timeouts with 3 minutes left in the game?).
On to KC. I can't imagine they dismantle the Chiefs like they did the Chargers, but you have to be satisfied with the focus and execution of the Pats going into next week!
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I'm actually speechless. That was truly a statement, dominant win by the Pats today ;D
I had predicted we would win but like almost everyone out there, I expected a close game something along the lines of 27-17, or 34-24, or 28-24, etc. But this… OMG. This was a thrashing by the Pats all around!
Don’t let the score fool you, the defense was DOMINANT today. Also, I felt like especially in the last 20 minutes of the game, the refs were calling extremely dumb penalties on the Pats defense to extend those Chargers drives, which led to those garbage time TDs. The first TD was a fluke blown coverage, but after that they truly tightened up and limited the Chargers.
The pass rush was great too. It may not show on the sacks, but there was a ton of pressure and QB hits which definitely rattled and even frustrated Rivers. Going to need a similar pass rush next Sunday for sure (hopefully with a few more sacks too).
All around, a fantastic game by the Pats, and no, TB12 is NOT DONE 8)
Oh and props to Edelman, White and Michel for their amazing games, and Gronk’s blocking (along with the O-Line) was key as well.
But man, it sucks to be going to Arrowhead now. I give us about a 20-25% chance to win the game there (would be 60-65% IF at Foxboro), but I obviously hope I’m dead wrong.
But this game does tell me that the dynasty is NOT over yet, and we have the talent to potentially make the SB. However, it will take a complete team effort for 60 minutes and virtually perfect football to get it done next week. That was a fantastic win today today though against arguably the 2nd best team in the AFC. Now time to beat the best if we want to earn another trip to the SB!
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Great performance! I really didn't expect the Pats to play that well.
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Guess I have been about the only guy that for the last month or two has believed in this team and it's chances. Thank you Pat's for showing me my dedication to you is worth it.
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Can’t remember last time I was so relaxed watching Pats game. Impressive. Especially Brady and Edelman, one of the all time most underrated NFL receivers.
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Guess I have been about the only guy that for the last month or two has believed in this team and it's chances. Thank you Pat's for showing me my dedication to you is worth it.
You've been faithful, for sure. I've been really skeptical, but the Pats came through big-time today. I feel like they'll disappoint me the moment I start being positive about their prospects, but I do feel they have a very good chance at KC next week. The Chiefs D is worse than the Chargers', so I expect NE to put up about 40 points; I think it comes down to whether the Pats D can do a reasonably good job containing Mahomes.
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Can’t remember last time I was so relaxed watching Pats game. Impressive. Especially Brady and Edelman, one of the all time most underrated NFL receivers.
You probably heard this during the game, but Edelman is now the No. 2 all-time NFL postseason receiver—94 catches, trailing only Jerry Rice's 151.
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Can’t remember last time I was so relaxed watching Pats game. Impressive. Especially Brady and Edelman, one of the all time most underrated NFL receivers.
You probably heard this during the game, but Edelman is now the No. 2 all-time NFL postseason receiver—94 catches, trailing only Jerry Rice's 151.
Yes I did. Shocking. What a stud.
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Great win by NE. May have seen Gronk's last game in Foxboro. Great to see him play a key role blocking and a vintage Gronk catch and run. Does he have a couple of big games in him?
Tough task next week -- KC's defense may be better than what we faced in Week 6. Pats D may be better too. Mahomes looked very good on Saturday, 1st half -- dangerous.
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Great win by NE. May have seen Gronk's last game in Foxboro. Great to see him play a key role blocking and a vintage Gronk catch and run. Does he have a couple of big games in him?
Tough task next week -- KC's defense may be better than what we faced in Week 6. Pats D may be better too. Mahomes looked very good on Saturday, 1st half -- dangerous.
Kinda crazy to think that if the Pats can get two more wins, they'll have their SIXTH Super Bowl title. Man, I'm SO hoping that Gronk (and the rest of the team) can dig deep and come up with just two more great games.
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Great win by NE. May have seen Gronk's last game in Foxboro. Great to see him play a key role blocking and a vintage Gronk catch and run. Does he have a couple of big games in him?
Tough task next week -- KC's defense may be better than what we faced in Week 6. Pats D may be better too. Mahomes looked very good on Saturday, 1st half -- dangerous.
Kinda crazy to think that if the Pats can get two more wins, they'll have their SIXTH Super Bowl title. Man, I'm SO hoping that Gronk (and the rest of the team) can dig deep and come up with just two more great games.
Watching Brady look much better today really gives some hope. I think Pats are unlikely to get to Brady's 9th this year, but great to be one game away... again.
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Great win by NE. May have seen Gronk's last game in Foxboro. Great to see him play a key role blocking and a vintage Gronk catch and run. Does he have a couple of big games in him?
Tough task next week -- KC's defense may be better than what we faced in Week 6. Pats D may be better too. Mahomes looked very good on Saturday, 1st half -- dangerous.
Kinda crazy to think that if the Pats can get two more wins, they'll have their SIXTH Super Bowl title. Man, I'm SO hoping that Gronk (and the rest of the team) can dig deep and come up with just two more great games.
Watching Brady look much better today really gives some hope. I think Pats are unlikely to get to Brady's 9th this year, but great to be one game away... again.
Man, wouldn't it be something? To see him get there for a NINTH time? That would be incredible. I'd love to see a Pats/Rams SB—another chance to see a Boston team beat an L.A. team!
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Great win by NE. May have seen Gronk's last game in Foxboro. Great to see him play a key role blocking and a vintage Gronk catch and run. Does he have a couple of big games in him?
Tough task next week -- KC's defense may be better than what we faced in Week 6. Pats D may be better too. Mahomes looked very good on Saturday, 1st half -- dangerous.
Kinda crazy to think that if the Pats can get two more wins, they'll have their SIXTH Super Bowl title. Man, I'm SO hoping that Gronk (and the rest of the team) can dig deep and come up with just two more great games.
Watching Brady look much better today really gives some hope. I think Pats are unlikely to get to Brady's 9th this year, but great to be one game away... again.
Man, wouldn't it be something? To see him get there for a NINTH time? That would be incredible. I'd love to see a Pats/Rams SB—another chance to see a Boston team beat an L.A. team!
I want to see a Pats/Saints SB. Two forty year old quarterbacks squaring off would be great. (Brees turns 40 on Tuesday)
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Great win by NE. May have seen Gronk's last game in Foxboro. Great to see him play a key role blocking and a vintage Gronk catch and run. Does he have a couple of big games in him?
Tough task next week -- KC's defense may be better than what we faced in Week 6. Pats D may be better too. Mahomes looked very good on Saturday, 1st half -- dangerous.
Kinda crazy to think that if the Pats can get two more wins, they'll have their SIXTH Super Bowl title. Man, I'm SO hoping that Gronk (and the rest of the team) can dig deep and come up with just two more great games.
Watching Brady look much better today really gives some hope. I think Pats are unlikely to get to Brady's 9th this year, but great to be one game away... again.
Man, wouldn't it be something? To see him get there for a NINTH time? That would be incredible. I'd love to see a Pats/Rams SB—another chance to see a Boston team beat an L.A. team!
I want to see a Pats/Saints SB. Two forty year old quarterbacks squaring off would be great. (Brees turns 40 on Tuesday)
That would be cool, too.
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Great win by NE. May have seen Gronk's last game in Foxboro. Great to see him play a key role blocking and a vintage Gronk catch and run. Does he have a couple of big games in him?
Tough task next week -- KC's defense may be better than what we faced in Week 6. Pats D may be better too. Mahomes looked very good on Saturday, 1st half -- dangerous.
Kinda crazy to think that if the Pats can get two more wins, they'll have their SIXTH Super Bowl title. Man, I'm SO hoping that Gronk (and the rest of the team) can dig deep and come up with just two more great games.
Watching Brady look much better today really gives some hope. I think Pats are unlikely to get to Brady's 9th this year, but great to be one game away... again.
Man, wouldn't it be something? To see him get there for a NINTH time? That would be incredible. I'd love to see a Pats/Rams SB—another chance to see a Boston team beat an L.A. team!
I want to see a Pats/Saints SB. Two forty year old quarterbacks squaring off would be great. (Brees turns 40 on Tuesday)
Sean Payton vs Bill Belichick
Drew Brees vs Tom Brady
Bountygate vs Spygate
Every controversy the NFL hates in one Superbowl!
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The pats surprised me today. I have to be clear about that. I did not believe in them.
That said, they were much better at home all season and pretty bad on the road.
Next week is gonna be very difficult.
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I want to see a Pats/Saints SB. Two forty year old quarterbacks squaring off would be great. (Brees turns 40 on Tuesday)
Yeah, Brees v Brady is the SB matchup I think most NFL fans have wanted to see for a while (myself included).
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After winning our last two Super Bowls, I’ve relaxed a lot more watching the Pats. For once. When we lost to the Eagles last year, I was disappointed. But not bummed out. Which surprised me. That wasn’t my reaction vs the Giant losses.
I actually was a little happy for a Eagles fans. Put in perspective how frustrated they must have felt losing to us back in ‘05.
I of course hope we beat the Chiefs today, but really don’t expect to win. And would be happy for Andy Reed to get his first Super Bowl.
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GO PATRIOTS THIS ONE IS ON BELICHICK.
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After winning our last two Super Bowls, I’ve relaxed a lot more watching the Pats. For once. When we lost to the Eagles last year, I was disappointed. But not bummed out. Which surprised me. That wasn’t my reaction vs the Giant losses.
I actually was a little happy for a Eagles fans. Put in perspective how frustrated they must have felt losing to us back in ‘05.
I of course hope we beat the Chiefs today, but really don’t expect to win. And would be happy for Andy Reed to get his first Super Bowl.
I get what you mean. After Brady won his 5th, everything has been house money. He is literally unparralleled for his career. The fact that people are questioning his slide after having 4600 yards is hilarious. If they win another? Great. If they dont, it is what it is. Brady is amazing.
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After winning our last two Super Bowls, I’ve relaxed a lot more watching the Pats. For once. When we lost to the Eagles last year, I was disappointed. But not bummed out. Which surprised me. That wasn’t my reaction vs the Giant losses.
I actually was a little happy for a Eagles fans. Put in perspective how frustrated they must have felt losing to us back in ‘05.
I of course hope we beat the Chiefs today, but really don’t expect to win. And would be happy for Andy Reed to get his first Super Bowl.
I get what you mean. After Brady won his 5th, everything has been house money. He is literally unparralleled for his career. The fact that people are questioning his slide after having 4600 yards is hilarious. If they win another? Great. If they dont, it is what it is. Brady is amazing.
Still 0-2 vs Eli in the SB.
Eli > Tom :P
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Great game in NO — in OT right now. Who would you want to play if Pats surprise tonight?
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Rams it is. Zurlein is a weapon.
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Gotta be a sour taste in Saints fans, players and coaches mouths after that no call
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Gotta be a sour taste in Saints fans, players and coaches mouths after that no call
It was a terribly officiated game. That no call was just one of a whole bunch of egregious penalties not called during the game. That may have been the worst no call on pass interference I have ever seen.
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Hopefully the Pats can get a nice ground game going and keep possession of the ball.
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Gotta be a sour taste in Saints fans, players and coaches mouths after that no call
It was a terribly officiated game. That no call was just one of a whole bunch of egregious penalties not called during the game. That may have been the worst no call on pass interference I have ever seen.
Yeah, it was crazy. Generally I’m in favour of less penalties vs more, but it was shocking.
If that happened to the Pats and cost us a spot in the Superbowl I’d be beyond furious
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Impressive drive. Our offensive line blocked great.
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Impressive drive. Our offensive line blocked great.
Yep, about as good of an opening drive as we could've asked for.
Michel looks good. Let's slow the pace and run the rock.
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Good defensive play, besides the holding. Glad that didn’t hurt us
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Go Chiefs!!
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Perfect first quarter.
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Whenever Edelman is in motion seems like tom passes to him.
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****
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Ugh
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Perfect first quarter.
I ruined it. I'm sorry. I request being banned for life.
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And that is how momentum changes. That was inconceivable. They've been getting positive yards on every run. Just run for a 1/2 yard and put pressure on the young QB.
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Tom is human. I understand the play call.
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On bright side our defense continues to play great. Pressure on Mahomes is working so far.
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Perfect first quarter.
I ruined it. I'm sorry. I request being banned for life.
Never!
At least our defence looks absolutely rock solid
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What was up with the refs not allowing them to snap the ball after the delay of game?? The 1st one I understand because they give the defense a chance to sub
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Ugh
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Pats are missing several opportunities to go up by 2 touchdowns
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What was up with the refs not allowing them to snap the ball after the delay of game?? The 1st one I understand because they give the defense a chance to sub
YES!! I don't understand how that can be called a delay. Ref delayed so Chiefs 13th guy could run off the field. Why wasn't BB irate? Maybe he was. Announcers didn't mention.
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Reminds me of super bowl 25 strategy giants vs bills. Run the ball. Keep possession.
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I am a little stuck on that Pats punt delay of game play. Similar thing almost happened in the NO-Rams game. But Pats snapped the ball as quickly as they could after ref allowed the start of the play. The switch-play actually worked and the Pats did not get the benefit. That could play out huge in this game.
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Seems like we are lulling chiefs into making a big play.
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What a catch by JW. And then the catch and run!! MVP night so far for White.
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James White is always good, but man does he come to play in the playoffs
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Heck of a half. Let's gooooo!!!!!
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LOL where is the PI on that TD? Chiefs have gotten away with a couple blatant ones.
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If Tom doesn't throw the int it's 21-0 or 17-0. Dominant, dominant half.
Pat's look to be the best team so far in these playoffs, and it isn't close.
Superbowl win #6 coming in two weeks all you Pat's fans that gave up on them 4-5 weeks ago. Never doubt Tom and Bill.
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I have rarely seen a more thoroughly dominating performance in a half. Pats should be up at least 20-0.
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I have rarely seen a more thoroughly dominating performance in a half. Pats should be up at least 20-0.
Amazing starts 2 games in a row! I love it
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[dang] it
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Chiefs made some halftime adjustments
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And now it's a game and Pats need to score.
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Well those two plays sucked.
Just two plays. Let's get that 7 points back now.
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At least it was a good punt
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This is on Bill belichick
If he gets out coached from that adjustment they made, it's on him
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At least it was a good punt
very good
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Good defence again
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Great field position right here.
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Gotta get back up by 2 TDs
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OK now -- take some time... and score.
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OK now -- take some time... and score.
Hopefully we can re-establish Michel
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Ghost makes a tough kick
Good job.
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OK now -- take some time... and score.
well we scored something
Good enough ?
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OK now -- take some time... and score.
well we scored something
Good enough ?
I hope so! Hope our defence can hold them to a no score again
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OK now -- take some time... and score.
well we scored something
Good enough ?
I hope so! Hope our defence can hold them to a no score again
we need to bring back that 1st half defense
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Mahomes-Hill are so explosive.
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How can our defense be so bad after that great first half
Come on Flores. Getting out coached badly
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How can our defense be so bad after that great first half
Come on Flores. Getting out coached badly
Can't expect to shut out a great offense for a complete game. Our defense is still good.
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Holding them to a FG here is incredibly important. Great time for end of the quarter -- a breather -- come back with 2 solid defensive plays. Defense!
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How can our defense be so bad after that great first half
Come on Flores. Getting out coached badly
Can't expect to shut out a great offense for a complete game. Our defense is still good.
Yep, they’ve scored 25+ every game for a reason
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I'm scared. Flashbacks to UGA vs. Bama.
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Alright Tom. Now.
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That DPI sucks. They’ve been doing that all game to us
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No question KC was going to make noise on offense. That's why 14-0 wasn't enough given the way the Pats played in the 1st half.
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That DPI sucks. They’ve been doing that all game to us
It was a DPI but what sucks is the inconsistency of the call all game. The Chiefs did it to Dorsett on the TD but no flag. There were at least two other bad no calls in this game. Then just go look at the horrible DPI calls in the NO-LAR game.
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That DPI sucks. They’ve been doing that all game to us
It was a DPI but what sucks is the inconsistency of the call all game. The Chiefs did it to Dorsett on the TD but no flag. There were at least two other bad no calls in this game. Then just go look at the horrible DPI calls in the NO-LAR game.
Exactly. The inconsistency in the NFL (the NBA is a lost cause on this) officiating is so annoying
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Big plays from Edelman and Michel. This is a nice run. We gotta get in the end zone here.
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Big plays from Edelman and Michel. This is a nice run. We gotta get in the end zone here.
Agreed. 7 of bust. You gotta go for this on 4th down, right?
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That blows
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Why the eff did they not sneak that
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Big plays from Edelman and Michel. This is a nice run. We gotta get in the end zone here.
Agreed. 7 of bust. You gotta go for this on 4th down, right?
I would. Mahomes is in a rhythm, and they've found out how to slow the run game. It's a shootout from here on out.
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Big plays from Edelman and Michel. This is a nice run. We gotta get in the end zone here.
Agreed. 7 of bust. You gotta go for this on 4th down, right?
I would. Mahomes is in a rhythm, and they've found out how to slow the run game. It's a shootout from here on out.
Bad call, tarheels. Very, very bad call. -TP, tar.
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Big plays from Edelman and Michel. This is a nice run. We gotta get in the end zone here.
Agreed. 7 of bust. You gotta go for this on 4th down, right?
you called it 😩
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Jesus just qb sneak it.. brady is one of the best in the league
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Oh man! He did not touch that
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Surely not
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He didn't touch it. It was clear as day in that replay. There's like half a foot between the ball and his arm
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HE DIDN'T TOUCH THE BALL!
Call on the field was that he did. Doubt they overturn it, and this could cost them the game.
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I don’t think it touched him, but it *might* have clipped his thumb.
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Surely not
DID NOT TOUCH
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I’m expecting us to get screwed on this call
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Please make the right call. No way he touched it. He wanted to, but he didn't.
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I’m expecting us to get screwed on this call
Me too :/
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I’m expecting us to get screwed on this call
Me too :/
Could decide the outcome. Horrible.
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Thumb didn't touch
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All the technology in the world and they can't put some sort of fancy sensors on the ball that indicate when and where they were touched
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you cannot give this ball to KC
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YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Refs made a good call
I wonder if nfl headquarters didn't want the ref controversy that already came with the saints/rams game to overcrowd the noise about the super bowl
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Now make it count!
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Intercepted. The call didn't matter. Haha wow
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Are you serious Julian
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Yessss!!!
There are times that I consider myself agnostic, and then there are moments like this, when I realize that I've seen Jesus on my TV every Sunday for nearly half my life.
Edit: Oh God, no. My stream is delayed. This is horrible.
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Tip.
All of KC now saying Ball Don't Lie.
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C’mon defence
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What are these refs looking at????
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Here's the good thing- at least they didn't score on the interception. If we can get a stop we are good
Edit spoke too soon
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This one will be overturned too.
I guess 2 playoff games without being tortured was far too much to ask.
KC will score. And Pats will have a chance.
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C’mon defence
Lol
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Wow. Chiefs lead.
Pats are lucky KC only decided to play one half.
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nooooooooooo
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Jules..........smh
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It really doesn't matter. We had to score again just to win anyways
Still have to score. We are only down 4
I've seen Brady come back down 28
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It really doesn't matter. We had to score again just to win anyways
Still have to score. We are only down 4
I've seen Brady come back down 28
Yeah, Pats are still favored.
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Chiefs just Bama'd the Pats, and I'm calling out of work tomorrow.
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Chiefs just Bama'd the Pats, and I'm calling out of work tomorrow.
Have faith tar!
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When Pats critics say the league is rigged, that’s what they mean.
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Kc challenging Hogans catch.
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That’s incomplete.
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"ball can move and still be in possession"
Considering this, and the fact that it's in his control. That is a catch
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These poor refs weren't going to get out of this without somebody hating them, haha.
Smooth, easy game to call for three quarters and then it all went to hell.
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Chiefs getting away with a lot of pass interference
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that is a catch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That’s incomplete.
how so? No juggle. He had control. Didn't leave his hands
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Chiefs getting away with a lot of pass interference
Nearly every possession. Berry was hanging on Gronk on that 3rd and 8. It's laughable.
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Chiefs getting away with a lot of pass interference
Berry bloody hooked Gronk’s elbow sleeve / brace thing
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It's clearly a catch
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That’s incomplete.
how so? No juggle. He had control. Didn't leave his hands
The ball was moving and the ground aided the catch.
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That’s incomplete.
how so? No juggle. He had control. Didn't leave his hands
The ball was moving and the ground aided the catch.
Not sure how that’s what you’re seeing.
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MITCHEL!
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there you go!!!!!!
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Go for 2?
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Heck of a play call !
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let’s go defense!
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Yes Michel!!!
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Oh My... Wow.
Now some Defense?
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Let's goooooo Michel!
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Oh My... Wow.
Now some Defense?
Please Bill!
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Patriots penalty Kills the fumble. Brutal
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Patriots penalty Kills the fumble. Brutal
What a soft inconsistent call, ugh
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I'm confused. Holding is legal only when it's blatant and consistent?
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They call pass interference on that, after everything KC has been getting away with?
This is why I stopped watching football except for the playoffs. NFL officiating is awful. Not as bad as NBA officiating though.
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(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/01/30/sports/30REFweb/30REFweb-facebookJumbo.jpg)
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I'm confused. Holding is legal only when it's blatant and consistent?
Rigged
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I'm confused. Holding is legal only when it's blatant and consistent?
Lol! Confirmed. This is a joke.
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That was really close to interception.
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Yeah. Thats not good.
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Holy carp.
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Alright tom. Lets see you do your thing
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2 minutes Tom
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Wow, refs basically marched the Chiefs down the field play by play with flags and no calls on everything
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2 minutes is more than enough for Tommy boy
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Down 1 possession. 2 minutes left, 3 timeouts.
It's Brady time.
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Brady has plenty of time. He’s just adding to his legend.
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Game over if Harmon (was that Harmon?) makes the INT. Instead, it's KC to Atlanta unless TB has another miracle in him.
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NFL officiating is rubbish.
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This should be interesting. Wonder what percentage of new england is glued to the tv right about now
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Wow, refs basically marched the Chiefs down the field play by play with flags and no calls on everything
lol
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Wow, refs basically marched the Chiefs down the field play by play with flags and no calls on everything
They were legit penalties.
The real beef is on the pick play.
Short field for Brady here.
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Wow, refs basically marched the Chiefs down the field play by play with flags and no calls on everything
They were legit penalties.
The real beef is on the pick play.
Short field for Brady here.
That DPI was garbage. If you’re going to call it that softly at least call it consistently. That could legit be called on every pass play
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Wow, refs basically marched the Chiefs down the field play by play with flags and no calls on everything
They were legit penalties.
The real beef is on the pick play.
Short field for Brady here.
Yeah decent runback by KP. NICE Julian
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He caught it with his elbows
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Don’t overturn this please, ugh
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Ouch
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Intercepted. Its over?
Edit off sides
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Oh that's brutal for KC.
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GRONK!!
My heart can't take this
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GRONK!!
GROOOOOONK
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This is you tom. DO IT
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OHHHH MYYY Gronk!!!
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GRONK!!
My heart can't take this
Unbelievable!
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GIVE IT TO.MITCHEL
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Brady does it again.
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Back to the Super bowl !!
LETS GET IT
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DEFENCE
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Brady does it again.
Legendary finish.
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Did Brady do it again?
Brady did it again
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Did Brady do it again?
Brady did it again
NOT YET AT ALL. Lots of time.
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It’s remarkable how predictable that was.
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What a wild half.
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Ugh
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Oh my.
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I’m calling an INT here.
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why why why why
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Intercept it already
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Penalty cost the game. Clock stopped.
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Bad feeling here...
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Good defensive move. Finally
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Iced the kicker lol
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Hook it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He’s going to miss
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KC has almost as many points this half as they did yards in the first half.
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OT time?
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So nobody can stop anybody right now?
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Brady to edelman hail mary
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I always wonder if Brady and his close games over the decades have caused increased blood pressure problems in the new England area
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Patriots win coin toss
"we want the ball" - slater
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Sad to see that on the semi-final round of the NFL championships that it was the refs that made the biggest impact on the two games.
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I always wonder if Brady and his close games over the decades have caused increased blood pressure problems in the new England area
Hadn't though of that, but mine was never high till about 3-4 years ago. Sue the Patriots?
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Hate the OT rules in FB. Each team deserves a possession.......regardless of score.
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Tom is undefeated in career OT postseason games (2-0)
No QB has ever gone 3-0
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Hate the OT rules in FB. Each team deserves a possession.......regardless of score.
Agreed, especially as the rules of the game shift more and more in favor of offense. Winning the coin toss is a massive advantage.
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Here it comes
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Sad to see that on the semi-final round of the NFL championships that it was the refs that made the biggest impact on the two games.
I think because of all of the intervening events, the officials will take less criticism this game.
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Edelman wasn't letting go of that one
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Edelman is ridiculous
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Its amazing how much one 7th round pick spent on a converted QB has impacted Pats history.
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Gronk is my man
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3 huge 3rd down plays in a row. Clutch.
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Here comes game.
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Its amazing how much one 7th round pick spent on a converted QB has impacted Pats history.
its crazy. Like drafting MJ In the late 2nd round crazy
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3 huge 3rd down plays in a row. Clutch.
that's Tom Brady, greatest sports player of all time
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SUPER BOWL BABY
GET NUMBER 6 TOM
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Oh MY GoDDD!!!!! Oh MY
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Pats vs. Rams, just like it started
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Tom now has new record
First QB to go 3-0 in overtime playoff games
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LA vs Boston in the Super Bowl after an LA vs Boston World Series
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LA vs Boston in the Super Bowl after an LA vs Boston World Series
That must mean we’re looking at a Clippers / Celtics NBA Finals.
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Hate the OT rules in FB. Each team deserves a possession.......regardless of score.
Agreed, especially as the rules of the game shift more and more in favor of offense. Winning the coin toss is a massive advantage.
i’m not so unhappy about it.....today
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LA vs Boston in the Super Bowl after an LA vs Boston World Series
That must mean we’re looking at a Clippers / Celtics NBA Finals.
Does Golden State suffice?
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I am stunned. STUNNED! Three 3-10s - incredible throws, CLUTCH receptions. WOW!!!
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What a GAME! What a Game. I am speechless. Wow
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I am stunned. STUNNED! Three 3-10s - incredible throws, CLUTCH receptions. WOW!!!
amazing game and comeback to add to toms crazy legacy
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What a game.
Regarding the refs, I thought they called this game as well as could be expected. They're never going to be perfect. But for all of the tough plays to officiate in the fourth quarter, I thought all of their calls were at the very least defensible.
They did well. The Saints should be livid about the way their game turned on a missed call, but neither of these two teams has a beef with the refs IMHO.
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Just think there are people who will still dispute that TB is the GOAT. Just a bunch of haters
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TB12 the GOAT with 3 3rd and long conversions with just clutch catches by jules and gronk! On to Los Angeles! Let's gooo
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My goodness - what a 2nd half! It didn't go perfectly, but all of those 3rd and long completions in OT were incredible! I sure would love to get another SB win, but just getting to the SB by beating two teams who actually had a better record was really impressive (especially today - obviously!! Let's get #6 guys! ;D
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NINE Superbowl appearances for Brady -- NINE!
Anyone who thinks it's only about winning the SB and not also about getting there needs to watch this game. Pats and Brady earned the heck out of this one.
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Speechless
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I feel ridiculous having to apologize for being a Patriots fan...
but it would be inappropriate to not apologize for our clear and utter dominance.
In Tommy We Trust.
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Sony Michel has 5 Rush TD this postseason, most by any rookie in a single postseason in NFL history.
The last player with 5 Rush TD in a single postseason was Terrell Davis in 1997.
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Wow. Shouldn't even have been that close ;)
I had a bad feeling about it after the INT from the 1, then they couldn't get much going after that. You know the Chiefs can go 80 yards in 2 plays any time.
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PATS!!!
TOM BRADY THE GOAT!
Especially in OT, every 3rd down Brady made CLUTCH throws to Edelman and Gronk, like the old days! Edelman truly redeemed himself after that 4th quarter blunder, and the offensive line was fantastic all game. It truly made the difference ;D 8)
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The three 3-10 receptions on the OT drive (and the one Hogan got clocked and held on) were unreal. Julian, Julian, Gronk.
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Can I get some love from the Pat's doubters out there that, somehow, gave up hope on Belichick and Brady and were announcing his and the Pat's end? If Belichick is coaching and Brady playing, there is zero reason to give up as so many here did. In Tom/Brady We Trust.
Superbowl win #6 here we come!!!
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Hate the OT rules in FB. Each team deserves a possession.......regardless of score.
I was shocked when the game ended! I thought they had changed that rule a long time ago so that both teams get to play offense!!
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Can I get some love from the Pat's doubters out there that, somehow, gave up hope on Belichick and Brady and were announcing his and the Pat's end? If Belichick is coaching and Brady playing, there is zero reason to give up as so many here did. In Tom/Brady We Trust.
Superbowl win #6 here we come!!!
You mean Tom/Bill. But, yeah -- Brady showed the last 2 weeks that when healthy, he's still great. Also GREAT to see Gronk play like Gronk tonight. I admit I had doubts about this year -- but mostly based on thought that the team didn't have the weapons.
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they tweaked the OT rules.....but as you saw a TD ends the game...
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Hate the OT rules in FB. Each team deserves a possession.......regardless of score.
I was shocked when the game ended! I thought they had changed that rule a long time ago so that both teams get to play offense!!
Double win for you!
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Brady has now reached the Super Bowl more often than not as a starter. Incredible
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my heart is still pounding
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Game memory: How big was the off-side call (lining up in the neutral zone) when there was another tip for an INT and it seemed game over for about 5 seconds.
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Nine super bowls unreal. The Babe Ruth of football.
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Brady has now reached the Super Bowl more often than not as a starter. Incredible
Took me a while to understand what you meant. He's been to 9 SBs in 17 years (is it 17?) as a starter. That is incredible.
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Brady has now reached the Super Bowl more often than not as a starter. Incredible
Took me a while to understand what you meant. He's been to 9 SBs in 17 years (is it 17?) as a starter. That is incredible.
Yup, 17 seasons as a starter. 19 in the league. He didn't play as a rookie and missed the 2008 season due to injury.
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Never gets old!
Amazing game. I wasn't even as hyped up as usual for this one, but definitely right up there in great Patriots playoffs games.
We are blessed.
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Sony mitchel was an amazing draft pick.
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That was a nail biter! :o two great offenses thankfully our defense was better than theirs.
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Now that my blood pressure has dropped 100 points, I can comment.
What a game. I feel like New England made it closer than it had to be, but they made the crucial plays, especially Edelman on that TD drive in OT.
NINE Super Bowls for Brady-Belichick. Crazy!
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THat game aged me horribly
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THat game aged me horribly
Lol
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I don't know what to say. They were bad until they weren't. The chiefs were the better team until the pats won a coin flip.
It feels like the pats had a bad season and yet they're in their third super bowl in a row.
Nothing makes sense except everything follows a script, apparently, which is that the pats don't lose until they face a hated foe in the AFC championship game or they make the super bowl.
This ride will end eventually but it's fun while it lasts, even if I still believe it probably should've have ended already.
Will they win this year? It doesn't seem likely, which means it's anybody's game, I guess.
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Huge win for the Pats tonight! Reminded me of Superbowl 51 and those championship drives. Tough task winning in Arrowhead, but Tom Brady finally exorcized some demons there.
Can the Patriots continue their dominance against Wade Phillips' defense and Aaron Donald's Rams? Bill Belichick vs Sean McVay? Tom Brady vs Jared Goff?
I felt KC-NE was the Superbowl. The Rams QB isn't as great as Mahomes (and maybe Philip Rivers). But that team is stout.
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I don't know what to say. They were bad until they weren't. The chiefs were the better team until the pats won a coin flip.
It feels like the pats had a bad season and yet they're in their third super bowl in a row.
Nothing makes sense except everything follows a script, apparently, which is that the pats don't lose until they face a hated foe in the AFC championship game or they make the super bowl.
This ride will end eventually but it's fun while it lasts, even if I still believe it probably should've have ended already.
Will they win this year? It doesn't seem likely, which means it's anybody's game, I guess.
they just beat the chiefs in arrowhead. not sure how a super-bowl win "isnt likely" sure anything can happen...but to be fair the Rams shouldnt even be in a superbowl.
and Pats dominated the first half. not sure how they were bad until overtime
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I don't know what to say. They were bad until they weren't. The chiefs were the better team until the pats won a coin flip.
It feels like the pats had a bad season and yet they're in their third super bowl in a row.
Nothing makes sense except everything follows a script, apparently, which is that the pats don't lose until they face a hated foe in the AFC championship game or they make the super bowl.
This ride will end eventually but it's fun while it lasts, even if I still believe it probably should've have ended already.
Will they win this year? It doesn't seem likely, which means it's anybody's game, I guess.
they just beat the chiefs in arrowhead. not sure how a super-bowl win "isnt likely" sure anything can happen...but to be fair the Rams shouldnt even be in a superbowl.
and Pats dominated the first half. not sure how they were bad until overtime
Yeah, the Patriots are favored and vs. Rams on a neutral field is an easier game than @ Chiefs.
Not sure how anyone could conclude Chiefs were the better team up until the coin toss. Pats had more first downs, doubled up on time of possession and nearly 200 more yards gained in regulation.
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I don't know what to say. They were bad until they weren't. The chiefs were the better team until the pats won a coin flip.
It feels like the pats had a bad season and yet they're in their third super bowl in a row.
Nothing makes sense except everything follows a script, apparently, which is that the pats don't lose until they face a hated foe in the AFC championship game or they make the super bowl.
This ride will end eventually but it's fun while it lasts, even if I still believe it probably should've have ended already.
Will they win this year? It doesn't seem likely, which means it's anybody's game, I guess.
they just beat the chiefs in arrowhead. not sure how a super-bowl win "isnt likely" sure anything can happen...but to be fair the Rams shouldnt even be in a superbowl.
and Pats dominated the first half. not sure how they were bad until overtime
Yeah, the Patriots are favored and vs. Rams on a neutral field is an easier game than @ Chiefs.
Not sure how anyone could conclude Chiefs were the better team up until the coin toss. Pats had more first downs, doubled up on time of possession and nearly 200 more yards gained in regulation.
That is the genius of the Pats and why they are reviled in public and respected in private. These teams and their fans do not know what hit them until the game is over. They do not see the genius of Belichick but spend most of their time hating Brady. The Pats are hard working dedicated professionals with very little frills. Just look at players like Edelman and Hogan, Gronk. They do this all the time that you have to pinch yourself to remind yourself that what they are doing is UNREAL. Three 3rd and 10 conversions? Beat KC with two turnovers. Two minutes drill run to perfection with no room for error.
Yeah let the Rams think they are much better than the Pats. Let them analyze the game by names on the back of the jerseys and not the name in the fronts of the jerseys. Let them underestimate Belichick with 2 weeks to game plan for Goff.
I am okay with all that as long as the Pats come in healthy, they are my favorite to win the game.
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Brees v Brady would have been fun.
Rams v Pats is kind of uninteresting, oh well.
Anyways, kudos to Belichick/Brady for their continued dominance of the AFC.
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What's the closest comparison in sports to the Belichick and Brady era and accomplishments?
Red Auerbach and Bill Russell imo.
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So if there is anything to this recent trend to have major sports championships be decided between teams from LA and Boston, it bodes well for our Celtics this year with Celtics/Lakers sounding good. Celtics knocking off the purple and yellow version of LeBron this summer after New England took the SB this winter and the Sox took the World Series last fall would be pretty awesome.
Beat LA. Beat LA. Beat LA.
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What's the closest comparison in sports to the Belichick and Brady era and accomplishments?
Red Auerbach and Bill Russell imo.
More like the Spurs with Popovich and Duncan, I think.
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I don't know what to say. They were bad until they weren't. The chiefs were the better team until the pats won a coin flip.
It feels like the pats had a bad season and yet they're in their third super bowl in a row.
Nothing makes sense except everything follows a script, apparently, which is that the pats don't lose until they face a hated foe in the AFC championship game or they make the super bowl.
This ride will end eventually but it's fun while it lasts, even if I still believe it probably should've have ended already.
Will they win this year? It doesn't seem likely, which means it's anybody's game, I guess.
Not sure I understand your analysis. If "bad until they weren't" is reference to the season, not sure what difference that makes. They were 11-5 and the #2 seed in the conference which means they couldn't actually be too bad.
They played well v. the Jets and extremely well v. the Chargers. If "bad until they weren't" is reference to the Chiefs game asserting that Pats were outplayed till the OT coin flip, I disagree. Pats played magnificently in the first half. I'll go as far to say that if it weren't for the interception at the goal line, the first half of football by the Pats may have been the best half by any team all season. They were excellent defensively against the most potent offense in the league and they had sustained drives that led to scores (would have been 3 TDs if they'd run instead of pass on the INT). They thoroughly dominated the 1st half on the road at vaunted, loud, Arrowhead against the #1 seeded team in the conference who had just come off a dismantling of the Colts.
Also, in order to get to the "coin flip", they engineered TWO terrific fourth quarter touchdown drives in order to get to the coin flip. Then, of course, methodically drove for the third time in about 10 football minutes for a winning touchdown in OT.
What makes sense is this: Tom Brady was injured, Julian Edelman missed 4 games and was coming off an injury, and Rob Gronkowski was injured. They all got healthy for the playoffs while both the offensive and defensive lines came together and the secondary solidified. That's the script.
Actually... it's mostly about health. And if they are healthy in 2 weeks, the SB is winnable. Not predicting a win, LA is an excellent team, but Pats have legit shot at it.
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I see New England finally getting a blow out win in the SuperBowl after being in 8 of the closest SuperBowls in history.
Patriots 38 Rams 17.
That's my prediction and I am sticking to it.
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That was the most nerve-wracking non-SB Pats game I can recall watching since maybe NE/SD Divisional Playoff '06.
That was like a 15 round boxing match. Emotionally draining to watch as a fan by the end.
Helluva football game.
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That was the most nerve-wracking non-SB Pats game I can recall watching since maybe NE/SD Divisional Playoff '06.
That was like a 15 round boxing match. Emotionally draining to watch as a fan by the end.
Helluva football game.
Those last few drives by both teams in the closing minutes of the 4th made it feel like either could score at any time soon as they got the ball. The coin toss at the start of OT was probably the most nerve wracking moment of the whole game :laugh:
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I see New England finally getting a blow out win in the SuperBowl after being in 8 of the closest SuperBowls in history.
Patriots 38 Rams 17.
That's my prediction and I am sticking to it.
I like your thinking, Nick, and I surely hope you're right. It would be so nice, as a Pats fan, to see them put on a good ol-fashioned butt whoopin (for a change).
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I see New England finally getting a blow out win in the SuperBowl after being in 8 of the closest SuperBowls in history.
Patriots 38 Rams 17.
That's my prediction and I am sticking to it.
God I hope you're right. Not sure if my heart can take it after the seeming endless number of down to the wire games the Pats play
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Red Sox Title...check
Patriots title....
Celtics title....
Bruins title....
What a great 2 games though...Brady is never going to show his age and that kid on the Chiefs appears to have the It factor for sure. I couldn’t believe that last quarter...insane.
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I see New England finally getting a blow out win in the SuperBowl after being in 8 of the closest SuperBowls in history.
Patriots 38 Rams 17.
That's my prediction and I am sticking to it.
God I hope you're right. Not sure if my heart can take it after the seeming endless number of down to the wire games the Pats play
Lets hope the AFCCG was the "Close SB" the Pats play every single time they are there, and that the real SB in 2 weeks is a comfortable win :laugh:
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Gotta love Damien Woody and Stephen A. run down Max Kellerman as he called Brady lucky yesterday.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ftbeard_17/status/1087365248149934080
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Shannon Sharpe finally coming forward to say Tom Brady is in fact the GOAT. Good stuff.
https://mobile.twitter.com/undisputed/status/1087368680743137280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1087368680743137280&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnesn.com%2F2019%2F01%2Fshannon-sharpe-finally-concedes-tom-brady-is-better-than-aaron-rodgers%2F
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Shannon Sharpe finally coming forward to say Tom Brady is in fact the GOAT. Good stuff.
https://mobile.twitter.com/undisputed/status/1087368680743137280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1087368680743137280&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnesn.com%2F2019%2F01%2Fshannon-sharpe-finally-concedes-tom-brady-is-better-than-aaron-rodgers%2F
Some more good stuff from Sharpe and Skip. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSmec5C-9qU)
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Game day
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Let's Go Pat's!!!!
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Let's Go Pat's!!!!
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I'm guessing some of us who normally post on this thread during games are going to be with friends or family today. I'll be thinking of the blog -- maybe will check in for CBlog SB analysis on my phone during the game.
Fingers crossed that Pats can sustain the ground game that has opened their passing offense and has allowed them to dominate time of possession in the playoffs. Go offensive and defensive lines!!! Stop the Rams running game early and I'll be feeling better.
GO PATRIOTS!!!!
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Brady Intercepted on first throw
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Bad pick on the first drive, but good defence to follow it up
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Some of these football rules are so messed up. That looked like a textbook tackle by Roby-Coleman.
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Some of these football rules are so messed up. That looked like a textbook tackle by Roby-Coleman.
yeah that was a garbage call
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Smh
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What the chances that missed field goal comes back to haunt the pats?
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What the chances that missed field goal comes back to haunt the pats?
They've left probable points on the board two drives already.
I don't think it will matter, though. I'm not sure that Gurley is right, or that Goff is up to the moment.
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What the chances that missed field goal comes back to haunt the pats?
They've left probable points on the board two drives already.
I don't think it will matter, though. I'm not sure that Gurley is right, or that Goff is up to the moment.
I agree
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Alright Tom. Redeem yourself. You only get so many do overs
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Imagine this is how the celtics season turns out to be. Sub-par beginning, peaks when they need to ends up in the championship. If I'm not mistaken the celtics have an extremely good record under Brad Stevens post all star game? Anyone know how I could pull that stat?
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Brady looking like a rookie.
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Brady looking like a rookie.
lol
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What a boring game!
Lets see some touch downs brady
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What a boring game!
Lets see some touch downs brady
Not fun so far.
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Will 3-0 be the final score?
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Will 3-0 be the final score?
Would be complete opposite of what this season has been ;D
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Once Brady figures out the disguises the Rams are putting into their zone coverage, it will be all over. That's what happened in the SB win over the Falcons.
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Once Brady figures out the disguises the Rams are putting into their zone coverage, it will be all over. That's what happened in the SB win over the Falcons.
Agreed. Remember how bad KC's offense looked against the Pats two weeks ago in the first half? Then they made adjustments, and the Pats couldn't stop them.
I predict the same thing, but to the Pats benefit.
(Meanwhile, I think the only hope for the Rams is some sort of blood sacrifice to heal Todd Gurley.)
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Pats so slopppy.
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Once Brady figures out the disguises the Rams are putting into their zone coverage, it will be all over. That's what happened in the SB win over the Falcons.
Agreed. Remember how bad KC's offense looked against the Pats two weeks ago in the first half? Then they made adjustments, and the Pats couldn't stop them.
I predict the same thing, but to the Pats benefit.
(Meanwhile, I think the only hope for the Rams is some sort of blood sacrifice to heal Todd Gurley.)
Yeah, once TB and McDaniels go over it thoroughly I think the Pats can put up some points
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If this scoring pace keeps up, that missed field goal could be huge
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What is that, like 5 times within the Rams 40 yard line and all the Pats could muster was 3 points?
The Pats are clearly outplaying the Rams so far, but yards and first downs don't mean much unless you can also come up with points.
Hopefully you guys are right that the Pats will look this thing over and finish some of these drives because their 2nd half defense these playoffs have left a lot to be desired.
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Will 3-0 be the final score?
Would be complete opposite of what this season has been ;D
Totally! ;D
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It's almost as if they have a bad pass play or play call when ever they get close
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Want us to reestablish the run. It was working great that first series.
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Chung injury would be bad loss.
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Another wasted drive by the Pats
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Defense winning this game
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Defense winning this game
On that last play our defense came closer to scoring thank our offense has
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What defensive player can get mvp?
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Hogan needs to sit for Dorset
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We have to get some points on the board
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Hogan needs to sit for Dorset
They are both getting reps. Doesn't matter. Neither is very good or better than a 4th option. Neither player is going to turn the offense around.
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What defensive player can get mvp?
The one who makes a play.
Right now MVP is Edelman.
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C’mon defence
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Pats just dodged a giant bullet.
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If this scoring pace keeps up, that missed field goal could be huge
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Zuerlein is such a weapon.
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I never watch American Football, so this is the first Super Bowl I see.
Could someone explain to me why the Rams got rewarded for the tackle by Hightower? Weird to me as a noob.
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4th quarter time
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Nice to see some running
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I never watch American Football, so this is the first Super Bowl I see.
Could someone explain to me why the Rams got rewarded for the tackle by Hightower? Weird to me as a noob.
Lol....to really explain it we would be here a while. Short explanation...the Rams weren't rewarded. It forced them into a more difficult kick because they were moved farther from the end zone.
But even though the kick was harder, the Rams still made the kick so they were rewarded with 3 points.
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I never watch American Football, so this is the first Super Bowl I see.
Could someone explain to me why the Rams got rewarded for the tackle by Hightower? Weird to me as a noob.
Lol....to really explain it we would be here a while. Short explanation...the Rams weren't rewarded. It forced them into a more difficult kick because they were moved farther from the end zone.
But even though the kick was harder, the Rams still made the kick so they were rewarded with 3 points.
All right, thanks :-[ :D
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This is a crazy game. So many punts. Wonder if belichick is open to fake a punt
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I never watch American Football, so this is the first Super Bowl I see.
Could someone explain to me why the Rams got rewarded for the tackle by Hightower? Weird to me as a noob.
Lol....to really explain it we would be here a while. Short explanation...the Rams weren't rewarded. It forced them into a more difficult kick because they were moved farther from the end zone.
But even though the kick was harder, the Rams still made the kick so they were rewarded with 3 points.
This. A team can attempt a field goal -- essentially, a free kick -- any time it wants. However, they traditionally do that on fourth down (as on earlier downs it makes more sense to try to advance the ball toward the touchdown goal line).
On Hightower's "sack" (a tackle of the QB behind the original "line of scrimmage"), the Rams lost yardage. It forced them into their last down, so they decided to kick the FG.
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The Rams just got very lucky.
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CJ Anderson is "trying to keep Gurley focused"?
I'm pretty sure that focus isn't the issue.
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CJ Anderson is "trying to keep Gurley focused"?
I'm pretty sure that focus isn't the issue.
He’s fine! We swear!
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CJ Anderson is "trying to keep Gurley focused"?
I'm pretty sure that focus isn't the issue.
He’s fine! We swear!
It's like a hockey series. During the playoffs, it's "he's good to go". Afterward, it's "Bergeron has been playing with six broken ribs, a dislocated ankle, and a quadruple hernia".
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That's a really weak holding call. Run of the mill O-line play.
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Alright, we survived some lucky breaks for the Rams.
Now we have to get into the end zone on this next drive.
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I never watch American Football, so this is the first Super Bowl I see.
Could someone explain to me why the Rams got rewarded for the tackle by Hightower? Weird to me as a noob.
Lol....to really explain it we would be here a while. Short explanation...the Rams weren't rewarded. It forced them into a more difficult kick because they were moved farther from the end zone.
But even though the kick was harder, the Rams still made the kick so they were rewarded with 3 points.
This. A team can attempt a field goal -- essentially, a free kick -- any time it wants. However, they traditionally do that on fourth down (as on earlier downs it makes more sense to try to advance the ball toward the touchdown goal line).
On Hightower's "sack" (a tackle of the QB behind the original "line of scrimmage"), the Rams lost yardage. It forced them into their last down, so they decided to kick the FG.
Thanks for the explanation. This I understand :D. Tp's for you and Nick.
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Gronk time.
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SONY!
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Finally!!
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LETS GOOOO
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LET’S GO
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Man great cap off drive
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Goff looks nervous still
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Cooks should have had that.
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And that's game.
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Bring out that trophy
4 more minutes until title town gets another one
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Way to keep taking shots at the end zone LA!
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Huge.
Man, Gilmore could be the MVP.
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Goff going for the panicking hail Mary. Lol
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If they can score here it should be over
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GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BELICHICK IS KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Huge.
Man, Gilmore could be the MVP.
Swats, the near recovered fumble and now a pick!
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Throw the ball. Running the ball here isn't going to work
Edit: nvm lol
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Throw the ball. Running the ball here isn't going to work
You sure? ;)
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Keep giving it to michel
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Throw the ball. Running the ball here isn't going to work
You sure? ;)
Lol
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one more catch by Edelman..
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there you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MVP Edelman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Game
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michel or edelman who is MVP?
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michel or edelman who is MVP?
Gilmore. Defense won this game
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michel or edelman who is MVP?
Gilmore is a dark horse, but my vote is for Jules
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Kick it.
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Give it to ghost
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Kick it.
Yep! 100%
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Tom secretly wanted to be the hero lol
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#6!!!!
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Hahah THE GOAT GETS IT AGAIN
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ball game....
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GOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Red is calling it!!!!! TPs for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://media.giphy.com/media/7f24la7Z1a54k/giphy.gif)
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They're trying to some crazy play now
Field goal, onside kick, then hail Mary
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aZDM1W9dZ6E/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Lol you Lose la
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They're trying to some crazy play now
Field goal, onside kick, then hail Mary
Nantz called it!
Shank alert
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Boston 2, LA 0
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Yes!!!
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Where is lep? Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is officially beer o'clock baby!!!!!!!!!!!
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All the fans who paid extra for "on the field experience" are mobbing tom lol
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Where are the TP's?!? Let em rip, people!!!!!!!!
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Congratulations, everybody.
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2 Boston teams won this year.
Hopefully the Cs and Bruins can do the same.
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Look at all those cameras lol
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Someone needs to post Brady as Jon Snow in the battle of the bas.... the media is nuts crowding him
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Oh my! Only gave up 3 points - incredible defense and the offense came through when it mattered! Wow, #6, how lucky are we!? ;D
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Fake news media surrounding tom in a mob
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Where are the TP's?!? Let em rip, people!!!!!!!!
Yeah, this is the ultimate 'let it rain' experience for TPs if you're a Pats fan. I have a few pages to go through!
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Im shocked. Holy cow. I know he’s a mixed bag, but gotta love Bill Simmons all year “we suck and we’re gonna make the superbowl.” Did not look like their year many times this season.
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Beat LA twice this year! Now let’s beat them for AD in the offseason :D
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YES!!!!!
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Never saw that Patriots defense holding the Rams to 3. Incredible performance by that unit. Great win, great season!
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyh8WgcX0AExNQG?format=jpg&name=large)
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Oh my! Only gave up 3 points - incredible defense and the offense came through when it mattered! Wow, #6, how lucky are we!? ;D
It was a crazy amazing game!!!! World Champs again!
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Beat LA twice this year! Now let’s beat them for AD in the offseason :D
Nice Call! TP!
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The City of Champions indeed. Congrats guys, hope the C’s can make it a 3 peat!
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Okay, that was fun - now I want 7 to go ahead of the Steelers... ;) ;D
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Beat LA twice this year! Now let’s beat them for AD in the offseason :D
It’s now down to the Celtics to complete the triple crown for sports titles this season!
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Beat LA twice this year! Now let’s beat them for AD in the offseason :D
It’s now down to the Celtics to complete the triple crown for sports titles this season!
GO CELTICS!
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Was anybody else somewhat disgusted by the media scrum right after the game? At least let them say their good games and congratulations before you mob the field with cameras and mics. Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..
Maybe this Anthony Davis circus just has me feeling some kind of way about sports media right now. But lately it has seemed even more oppressive and vulture-ish than usual.
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I am so proud to say that during even the most down times of this year I stayed positive and was sure the Patriots would be Super Bowl Champions again.
Always support your team and never give up. Boston sports has shown us this so much the last 20 years. Red Sox first team to ever come back from a 3-0 deficit. This year's Patriots team. Pat's coming back from 28-3. Celtics in 2008 coming back from 24 down in game 4. Bruins winning 3 game 7s in 2011 for the Stanley Cup.
You just gotta keep believing and not give up. Don't count Boston teams out ever, especially in the middle of the season or series or game. It's not over til it's over.
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Kevin Durant has made an announcement
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyh8qfYUUAAkbvZ?format=jpg&name=small)
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Where are the TP's?!? Let em rip, people!!!!!!!!
Yeah, this is the ultimate 'let it rain' experience for TPs if you're a Pats fan. I have a few pages to go through!
I'm dishing out seconds after the 30-minute limit expires :D
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This win is great. The patriots were counted out at the beginning and midpoint of the season by many. Nice redemption. Next year should be just as strong
Does Gronk have another season left in the tank?
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LET THE TPs rain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good times!! (and I am not even a football fan.)
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Beat LA twice this year! Now let’s beat them for AD in the offseason :D
It’s now down to the Celtics to complete the triple crown for sports titles this season!
Bruins. Need the Quad.
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feels good man
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Patriots should have one this one 27-3. They dominated the Rams throughout
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Kevin Durant has made an announcement
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyh8qfYUUAAkbvZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Rofl.
My hand is sore from giving out so many TP's ;D
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SUPERBOWL CHAMPS NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!
11-5, #2 seed. Beat LA Chargers, beat Kansas City Chiefs ON THE ROAD, and then beat LA Rams in Superbowl 53 in Atlanta. Amazing.
The defense suddenly played like 2015 Denver D or 85 Bears tonight. Crazy.
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SUPERBOWL CHAMPS NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!
11-5, #2 seed. Beat LA Chargers, beat Kansas City Chiefs ON THE ROAD, and then beat LA Rams in Superbowl 53 in Atlanta. Amazing.
The defense suddenly played like 2015 Denver D or 85 Bears tonight. Crazy.
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It's like they were playing possum until the playoffs!
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As an added bonus I had 3-3 on a Super Bowl square. I won $200 for the 3rd quarter and Legatron’s miss earned me another $700! Truth be told, if I had to give up that $900 for a World Championship I happily would have done so.
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What a game!! Absolute nailbiter and two big plays from Gronk, so much for writing him off! :laugh:
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Once again I should mention that my kids (21, 17, 17 and 5) have no idea how painful it was being a Boston slorts fan for a long time. They have been spoiled with a ridiculous run on championships!
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I wonder how many giant bets got killed on the over/under bet. I read some guy put $2 million late on the Rams. That has to hurt
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Once again I should mention that my kids (21, 17, 17 and 5) have no idea how painful it was being a Boston slorts fan for a long time. They have been spoiled with a ridiculous run on championships!
Mine are 31, 29 and 24. They all admit they are spoiled but they also thank me every time Boston wins a title because I was responsible for their love of Boston teams.
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He heh. Another TP for you! They definitely did a little penguin nuzzle and then a legit kiss afterwards. Serious man love. Kraft is a lucky man.
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Sony Michel. Rookie. This playoff season:
3 games.
336 yards rushing.
6 TDs.
Wonder how that matches up to other NFL rookie RBs? Guessing it has to be close to the best ever rookie RB playoff performance ever.
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I wonder how many giant bets got killed on the over/under bet. I read some guy put $2 million late on the Rams. That has to hurt
I got killed on the parlay 2 NE/over, teaser-6 LAR/over.
I just said screw it, take NE -0.5 second half.
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Sony Michel. Rookie. This playoff season:
3 games.
336 yards rushing.
6 TDs.
Wonder how that matches up to other NFL rookie RBs? Guessing it has to be close to the best ever rookie RB playoff performance ever.
he's gonna have a nice career
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Mayor says parade is Tuesday at 11am
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Tomlinson and Deion Sanders are so terrible.
MJ is the "greatest athlete" because he "never lost on the biggest stage."
LOLOL
So I guess it's better losing earlier in the playoffs?
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let's go!!! BEAT LA x2
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let's go!!! BEAT LA x2
x3
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Tomlinson and Deion Sanders are so terrible.
MJ is the "greatest athlete" because he "never lost on the biggest stage."
LOLOL
So I guess it's better losing earlier in the playoffs?
They love to ignore all the times Bird as well as the Bad Boys beat him
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Tomlinson and Deion Sanders are so terrible.
MJ is the "greatest athlete" because he "never lost on the biggest stage."
LOLOL
So I guess it's better losing earlier in the playoffs?
They love to ignore all the times Bird as well as the Bad Boys beat him
At age 41 Brady just won another Super Bowl. Age age 40 Jordan was a shadow of his former self on a poor Wizards team, and then he was retired at age 41.
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Tomlinson and Deion Sanders are so terrible.
MJ is the "greatest athlete" because he "never lost on the biggest stage."
LOLOL
So I guess it's better losing earlier in the playoffs?
I actually like Deion. He's genuinely excited and happy for the players. He's enjoying himself which is fun to watch.
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Tomlinson and Deion Sanders are so terrible.
MJ is the "greatest athlete" because he "never lost on the biggest stage."
LOLOL
So I guess it's better losing earlier in the playoffs?
They love to ignore all the times Bird as well as the Bad Boys beat him
At age 41 Brady just won another Super Bowl. Age age 40 Jordan was a shadow of his former self on a poor Wizards team, and then he was retired at age 41.
Another huge part of it! Heck, Brady won MVP just last season
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Kevin Durant has made an announcement
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyh8qfYUUAAkbvZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Rofl.
My hand is sore from giving out so many TP's ;D
TP
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had to share this one too
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with the snap of his fingers, Goodell turned to dust
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I am so proud to say that during even the most down times of this year I stayed positive and was sure the Patriots would be Super Bowl Champions again.
Always support your team and never give up. Boston sports has shown us this so much the last 20 years. Red Sox first team to ever come back from a 3-0 deficit. This year's Patriots team. Pat's coming back from 28-3. Celtics in 2008 coming back from 24 down in game 4. Bruins winning 3 game 7s in 2011 for the Stanley Cup.
You just gotta keep believing and not give up. Don't count Boston teams out ever, especially in the middle of the season or series or game. It's not over til it's over.
I was pretty down on the Pats a good part of the season, but they proved me wrong. And I'm happy to say that I stayed positive throughout tonight's game.
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I am so proud to say that during even the most down times of this year I stayed positive and was sure the Patriots would be Super Bowl Champions again.
Always support your team and never give up. Boston sports has shown us this so much the last 20 years. Red Sox first team to ever come back from a 3-0 deficit. This year's Patriots team. Pat's coming back from 28-3. Celtics in 2008 coming back from 24 down in game 4. Bruins winning 3 game 7s in 2011 for the Stanley Cup.
You just gotta keep believing and not give up. Don't count Boston teams out ever, especially in the middle of the season or series or game. It's not over til it's over.
I was pretty down on the Pats a good part of the season, but they proved me wrong. And I'm happy to say that I stayed positive throughout tonight's game.
I was concerned the future was looking bleak when the Patriots got drubbed by the Lions.
And looked bleaker losing b2b to the Dolphins and Steelers and entering the postseason with an 11-5 record. That the Miami Miracle became the difference between hosting the AFCCG and going to Arrowhead.
Glad that debacle became nonexistent. Glad the Patriots won the Superbowl so those five losses are washed away.
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NEW: Gronk tells STEVEBURTONWBZ he’s not sure if he’s going to retire. “I’m going to take some time and figure it out.”
One more year. One more year.
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NEW: Gronk tells STEVEBURTONWBZ he’s not sure if he’s going to retire. “I’m going to take some time and figure it out.”
One more year. One more year.
He looked amazing in the playoffs, especially in the Superbowl game. Vintage Gronk.
We'll see. Hopefully, BB can pick up another TE to take some load off of Gronk. It is true that Edelman is the key piece to their offense and needed to win.
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Congrats Pat's fans!
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While the game was a low-scoring affair, it still set numerous all-time records. The following 17 of which were accomplished by the Patriots either as a team or through individual players (via Elias Sports Bureau):
Most Games – 9, Tom Brady
Most Games, Winning Team – 6, Tom Brady
Oldest Starting QB, Winning Team – 41, Tom Brady
Most Games, Head Coach – 9, Bill Belichick
Most Games, Winning Team, Head Coach – 6, Bill Belichick
Oldest Head Coach, Winning Team – 66, Bill Belichick
Most Passes, Career – 392, Tom Brady
Most Completions, Career – 256, Tom Brady
Most Passing Yards, Career – 2,838, Tom Brady
Most Games, Team – 11, New England
Fewest Points, Game, Both Teams – 16, New England (13) vs. L.A.Rams (3)
Fewest Points, Game, Winning Team – 13, New England
Fewest Points Through 3 Quarters, Both Teams – 6, New England (3) vs. L.A.Rams (3)
Fewest Touchdowns, Game, Both Teams – 1, New England (1) vs. L.A.Rams (0)
Fewest PATs, Game, Both Teams – 1, New England (1) vs. L.A.Rams (0)
Fewest Kickoff Returns, Game, Both Teams – 2, New England (1) vs. L.A.Rams (1)
Most Consecutive Drives Ending With A Punt, Game, Team – 8, L.A.Rams
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Ugly game but arguably the greatest defensive performance by the Pats in the Belichick era. (Do recall people crapping on the defense back in October). Rams offense was off the entire game. Never found a rhythm (due in part by McVay being outcoached) but just stellar play at all three levels of the defense. You could certainly have made the case for Gilmore being MVP.
Pats certainly needed that too because Brady was off much of the game but once again made the plays he needed to in the 4th quarter. That throw to Gronk, in particular, was amazing. Then the drive for the dagger FG.
Nice bookends to the dynasty with wins over the Rams.
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Definitely a unique way to win a title. Unbelievable! GO PATS!
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So is this Brady and Gronk saying they will be back?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2650379101669890&id=214003275307497
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So is this Brady and Gronk saying they will be back?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2650379101669890&id=214003275307497
I interpreted it as "Look who's champs again". They did a similar post after the AFC title game with "Bad Boys for Life" playing off of the lyrics "We ain't goin' nowhere".
I think Gronk's done. Retiring.
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So is this Brady and Gronk saying they will be back?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2650379101669890&id=214003275307497
I interpreted it as "Look who's champs again". They did a similar post after the AFC title game with "Bad Boys for Life" playing off of the lyrics "We ain't goin' nowhere".
I think Gronk's done. Retiring.
Yeah, I saw that other video and at first I took it as the champs are back but......the choice of that section of "Without me" at a time when every is wondering if Gronk is coming back next year and Brady still getting asked the same question is too convenient.