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James Wiseman Saga
« on: November 08, 2019, 06:24:09 PM »

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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/memphis-james-wiseman-the-nations-top-recruit-and-likely-no-1-nba-draft-pick-reportedly-ruled-ineligible/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2861905-potential-2020-no-1-nba-draft-pick-james-wiseman-ruled-ineligible-at-memphis

James Wiseman declared ineligible, and now conflicting reports say he is eligible due to a judge stepping in. Fascinating

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Potential No. 1 NBA pick James Wiseman is now eligible to play for Memphis, pending further legal proceedings, attorney Leslie Ballin tells @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

Ps sorry typing from phone
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 06:42:27 PM »

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Memphis in trouble again (Derrick Rose) like Kansas and Arizona, instead of the biggest name schools (Duke, UK for example)

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 06:50:53 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2019, 07:13:22 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 07:26:32 PM »

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Getting Wiseman to Memphis was extremely crooked. Or in other words, par for the course when it comes to the NCAA. Kid should just go play overseas and make some money. He'll still be a top 3 pick next June.

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Every school that has money to put NBA caliber athletes on the floor can afford to pay them. That billion dollar income isn't going to see a dent because Penny Hardaway wanted to help this kid succeed. It also wouldn't see a dent by allowing them to accept endorsement deals.

Remember: Before the mid 50's, even athletic scholarships ran afoul of the organisation's amateurism rules. Prior to that, they gave athletes jobs on campus (just not for playing basketball, however the job was only given to althetes). And, up until the mid 70's, some schools actually paid athletes a stipend (which, of course, is paying people to play sports). Then they stopped... because it was 'antithetical to amateurism'.

Then, of course, after many lawsuits, they started paying stipends again five or six years ago now. And no one noticed.

The key phrase to look for when examining the NCAA is the phrase "benefits incidental to participation". Watch how that phrase is involved in moving the goalposts, and you'll realise the organisations arguments for not paying athletes are entirely spurious.
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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2019, 07:50:56 PM »

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Getting Wiseman to Memphis was extremely crooked. Or in other words, par for the course when it comes to the NCAA. Kid should just go play overseas and make some money. He'll still be a top 3 pick next June.
If by crooked you mean hire one of your more famous alumni who just so happens to be the high school coach of Wiseman, then sure it was crooked, but I don't find that crooked at all. 
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Getting Wiseman to Memphis was extremely crooked. Or in other words, par for the course when it comes to the NCAA. Kid should just go play overseas and make some money. He'll still be a top 3 pick next June.
If by crooked you mean hire one of your more famous alumni who just so happens to be the high school coach of Wiseman, then sure it was crooked, but I don't find that crooked at all.
Nope. That isn't what I meant by crooked.

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2019, 08:17:45 PM »

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And for the record, Penny gave the Wiseman family the money for them to move in 2008 long before he was Memphis or even Wiseman's coach.
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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there
the initial point in your post depends on how you are defining adult. do not forget, for most males the frontal lobs of their brain - the portion of our brains responsible for "mature and adult decision making" - does not fully form until they are 25 years old.

this explains much of my youth to me.
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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2019, 09:08:06 PM »

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And for the record, Penny gave the Wiseman family the money for them to move in 2008 long before he was Memphis or even Wiseman's coach.

Woj later corrected that bit.  2018, not 2008.

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

You dont have the skills  they do. In every other profession in this country people get paid according to the goods and services they provide. Except for the NCAA when for some reason the person(s) generating the money get paid only a tiny fraction of the money they deserve in order to allow others to profit. That a really dumb system.

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2019, 04:54:00 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

You dont have the skills  they do. In every other profession in this country people get paid according to the goods and services they provide. Except for the NCAA when for some reason the person(s) generating the money get paid only a tiny fraction of the money they deserve in order to allow others to profit. That a really dumb system.

Key word: profession

They are not professionals, they are students, and the NCAA isn't a professional league. It is a bunch of schools that you conveniently forget. Schools pay students thousands already to bounce a ball via free housing, tuition, etc

Us mere peasants don't get that luxury. They already get hefty rewards