Would you trade the 16th pick for Dieng

[loco_91]

This would be a pretty good deal. Dieng is not an exciting player, but he's a starting caliber center who fills a need for us on the cheap: $1.5m in '15-'16 then a team option for 2.3m. He's 25. On the open market I expect he'd command ~$6-8m/yr, so that's a real asset.

I'd give up #16 for him unless someone like Oubre or Poetl dropped to us there.

[Tr1boy]

This would be a pretty good deal. Dieng is not an exciting player, but he's a starting caliber center who fills a need for us on the cheap: $1.5m in '15-'16 then a team option for 2.3m. He's 25. On the open market I expect he'd command ~$6-8m/yr, so that's a real asset.

I'd give up #16 for him unless someone like Oubre or Poetl dropped to us there.

Oubre is gone by 12-13.  Poetl is going back to school

[Bosstown]

If I'm the T-Wolves GM, I'm saying hell to the no. If I win the lottery, I'm pairing Towns with another defender like at Kentucky. Makes him 10000% more effective. Minny hangs up.

[LarBrd33]

Why would the Wolves trade Dieng for such a late pick?  I get that if they land Townes or something they could look to trade the other centers, but surely they can get more than some crapshoot mid 1st. 

What's the chances that the player picked #16 ends up as good as Dieng is right now?  The best-case scenario with a pick that late is someone like Dieng.   It's like saying, "I'll trade you $20 bucks for a scratch ticket where the grand prize is $20 bucks"

It's a decent point. So it would have to be Zeller and 16 for Dieng and a 2nd
This trade idea only works out if the Wolves get Towns or Okafor and like somebody at 16.  Again there is no need for them to have 3 centers (have zeller as the insurance #3)

Former #16 picks:
     
2013    Lucas Nogueira    Brazil    Boston
2012    Royce White    Iowa St.    Houston
2011    Nikola Vucevic    USC    Philadelphia
2010    Luke Babbitt    Nevada    Minnesota
2009    James Johnson    Wake Forest    Chicago
2008    Marreese Speights    Florida    Philadelphia
2007    Nick Young    USC    Washington
2006    Rodney Carnet    Memphis    Philadelphia
2005    Joey Graham    Oklahoma St.Sr.    Toronto
2004    Kirk Snyder    Nevada Jr.    Utah
2003    Troy Bell    BostonCollege Sr.    Boston
2002    Jiri Welsch    Czech Republic 1980    Philadelphia
2001    Kirk Haston    IndianaJr.    NO Hornets
2000    Hidayet Turkoglu    Turkey 1979    Sacramento
1999    Ron Artest    St. Johns So.    Chicago
1998    Bryce Drew    Valparaiso    Houston
1997    Brevin Knight    Stanford    Phoenix
1996    Tony Delk    Kentucky    NO Hornets
1995    Alan Henderson    Indiana    Atlanta
1994    Cliff Rozier    Louisville    Golden State
1993    Rex Walters    Kansas    New Jersey
1992    Randy Woods    La Salle    LA Clippers
1991    Chris Gatling    Old Dominion    Golden State
1990    Terry Mills    Michigan    Milwaukee
1989    Dana Barros    BostonCollege    Seattle
1988    Derrick Chievous    Missouri    Houston
1987    Christian Welp    Washington    Philadelphia
1986    Mo Martin    St. Joseph's    Denver
1985    Bill Wennington    St. John's    Dallas
1984    John Stockton    Gonzaga    Utah
1983    Jon Sundvold    Missouri    Seattle
1982    Terry Teagle    Baylor    Houston
1981    Darnell Valentine    Kansas    Portland
1980    Hawkeye Whitney

A couple good players there.  Maybe once a decade?  Most recent #16 pick was Jusuf Nurkic.   Law of averages says the #16 pick this year is going to be garbage.  Best-case scenario with the #16 pick is someone like Dieng.  You don't trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at landing the next Dieng.

Not bolding Hedo is pretty cold blodded.

Lol.   Would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?

[celticsclay]

Why would the Wolves trade Dieng for such a late pick?  I get that if they land Townes or something they could look to trade the other centers, but surely they can get more than some crapshoot mid 1st. 

What's the chances that the player picked #16 ends up as good as Dieng is right now?  The best-case scenario with a pick that late is someone like Dieng.   It's like saying, "I'll trade you $20 bucks for a scratch ticket where the grand prize is $20 bucks"

It's a decent point. So it would have to be Zeller and 16 for Dieng and a 2nd
This trade idea only works out if the Wolves get Towns or Okafor and like somebody at 16.  Again there is no need for them to have 3 centers (have zeller as the insurance #3)

Former #16 picks:
     
2013    Lucas Nogueira    Brazil    Boston
2012    Royce White    Iowa St.    Houston
2011    Nikola Vucevic    USC    Philadelphia
2010    Luke Babbitt    Nevada    Minnesota
2009    James Johnson    Wake Forest    Chicago
2008    Marreese Speights    Florida    Philadelphia
2007    Nick Young    USC    Washington
2006    Rodney Carnet    Memphis    Philadelphia
2005    Joey Graham    Oklahoma St.Sr.    Toronto
2004    Kirk Snyder    Nevada Jr.    Utah
2003    Troy Bell    BostonCollege Sr.    Boston
2002    Jiri Welsch    Czech Republic 1980    Philadelphia
2001    Kirk Haston    IndianaJr.    NO Hornets
2000    Hidayet Turkoglu    Turkey 1979    Sacramento
1999    Ron Artest    St. Johns So.    Chicago
1998    Bryce Drew    Valparaiso    Houston
1997    Brevin Knight    Stanford    Phoenix
1996    Tony Delk    Kentucky    NO Hornets
1995    Alan Henderson    Indiana    Atlanta
1994    Cliff Rozier    Louisville    Golden State
1993    Rex Walters    Kansas    New Jersey
1992    Randy Woods    La Salle    LA Clippers
1991    Chris Gatling    Old Dominion    Golden State
1990    Terry Mills    Michigan    Milwaukee
1989    Dana Barros    BostonCollege    Seattle
1988    Derrick Chievous    Missouri    Houston
1987    Christian Welp    Washington    Philadelphia
1986    Mo Martin    St. Joseph's    Denver
1985    Bill Wennington    St. John's    Dallas
1984    John Stockton    Gonzaga    Utah
1983    Jon Sundvold    Missouri    Seattle
1982    Terry Teagle    Baylor    Houston
1981    Darnell Valentine    Kansas    Portland
1980    Hawkeye Whitney

A couple good players there.  Maybe once a decade?  Most recent #16 pick was Jusuf Nurkic.   Law of averages says the #16 pick this year is going to be garbage.  Best-case scenario with the #16 pick is someone like Dieng.  You don't trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at landing the next Dieng.

Not bolding Hedo is pretty cold blodded.

Lol.   Would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?

There are definitely some total flameouts at that pick, but there also more solid players than 3. Barros, Delk, Knight all had really solid careers with Knight in particular being a starting level NBA point guard for 8 years. Other more recent guys like Mo Speights seem headed for a long career while nobody in the world knows what will happen with nick young.

[Shots]

Why would the Wolves trade Dieng for such a late pick?  I get that if they land Townes or something they could look to trade the other centers, but surely they can get more than some crapshoot mid 1st. 

What's the chances that the player picked #16 ends up as good as Dieng is right now?  The best-case scenario with a pick that late is someone like Dieng.   It's like saying, "I'll trade you $20 bucks for a scratch ticket where the grand prize is $20 bucks"

It's a decent point. So it would have to be Zeller and 16 for Dieng and a 2nd
This trade idea only works out if the Wolves get Towns or Okafor and like somebody at 16.  Again there is no need for them to have 3 centers (have zeller as the insurance #3)

Former #16 picks:
     
2013    Lucas Nogueira    Brazil    Boston
2012    Royce White    Iowa St.    Houston
2011    Nikola Vucevic    USC    Philadelphia
2010    Luke Babbitt    Nevada    Minnesota
2009    James Johnson    Wake Forest    Chicago
2008    Marreese Speights    Florida    Philadelphia
2007    Nick Young    USC    Washington
2006    Rodney Carnet    Memphis    Philadelphia
2005    Joey Graham    Oklahoma St.Sr.    Toronto
2004    Kirk Snyder    Nevada Jr.    Utah
2003    Troy Bell    BostonCollege Sr.    Boston
2002    Jiri Welsch    Czech Republic 1980    Philadelphia
2001    Kirk Haston    IndianaJr.    NO Hornets
2000    Hidayet Turkoglu    Turkey 1979    Sacramento
1999    Ron Artest    St. Johns So.    Chicago
1998    Bryce Drew    Valparaiso    Houston
1997    Brevin Knight    Stanford    Phoenix
1996    Tony Delk    Kentucky    NO Hornets
1995    Alan Henderson    Indiana    Atlanta
1994    Cliff Rozier    Louisville    Golden State
1993    Rex Walters    Kansas    New Jersey
1992    Randy Woods    La Salle    LA Clippers
1991    Chris Gatling    Old Dominion    Golden State
1990    Terry Mills    Michigan    Milwaukee
1989    Dana Barros    BostonCollege    Seattle
1988    Derrick Chievous    Missouri    Houston
1987    Christian Welp    Washington    Philadelphia
1986    Mo Martin    St. Joseph's    Denver
1985    Bill Wennington    St. John's    Dallas
1984    John Stockton    Gonzaga    Utah
1983    Jon Sundvold    Missouri    Seattle
1982    Terry Teagle    Baylor    Houston
1981    Darnell Valentine    Kansas    Portland
1980    Hawkeye Whitney

A couple good players there.  Maybe once a decade?  Most recent #16 pick was Jusuf Nurkic.   Law of averages says the #16 pick this year is going to be garbage.  Best-case scenario with the #16 pick is someone like Dieng.  You don't trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at landing the next Dieng.

I fail to comprehend why Jiri Welsch was not highlighted on that list.

[LarBrd33]

The bottom line is we're not getting homeless man's Nerlens Noel for a lowly #16 pick.   Maybe for a pick in the 5-9 range.

[arctic 3.0]

If they have a chance at towns there is no way they trade Dieng.
Two shot blocking bigs who compliment each other on O ( towns outside, Dieng playing garbage man in the paint.)
Combined with their young core they will be set to emerge as a powerhouse over the next 4 years.
If they get okafor they need swings D.
Only big available from sota is Pek.
Whose injuries and lack of D make him undesirable for the C's.

[moiso]

I would never trade the next potential Kirk Haston for Dieng

[KCattheStripe]

Why would the Wolves trade Dieng for such a late pick?  I get that if they land Townes or something they could look to trade the other centers, but surely they can get more than some crapshoot mid 1st. 

What's the chances that the player picked #16 ends up as good as Dieng is right now?  The best-case scenario with a pick that late is someone like Dieng.   It's like saying, "I'll trade you $20 bucks for a scratch ticket where the grand prize is $20 bucks"

It's a decent point. So it would have to be Zeller and 16 for Dieng and a 2nd
This trade idea only works out if the Wolves get Towns or Okafor and like somebody at 16.  Again there is no need for them to have 3 centers (have zeller as the insurance #3)

Former #16 picks:
     
2013    Lucas Nogueira    Brazil    Boston
2012    Royce White    Iowa St.    Houston
2011    Nikola Vucevic    USC    Philadelphia
2010    Luke Babbitt    Nevada    Minnesota
2009    James Johnson    Wake Forest    Chicago
2008    Marreese Speights    Florida    Philadelphia
2007    Nick Young    USC    Washington
2006    Rodney Carnet    Memphis    Philadelphia
2005    Joey Graham    Oklahoma St.Sr.    Toronto
2004    Kirk Snyder    Nevada Jr.    Utah
2003    Troy Bell    BostonCollege Sr.    Boston
2002    Jiri Welsch    Czech Republic 1980    Philadelphia
2001    Kirk Haston    IndianaJr.    NO Hornets
2000    Hidayet Turkoglu    Turkey 1979    Sacramento
1999    Ron Artest    St. Johns So.    Chicago
1998    Bryce Drew    Valparaiso    Houston
1997    Brevin Knight    Stanford    Phoenix
1996    Tony Delk    Kentucky    NO Hornets
1995    Alan Henderson    Indiana    Atlanta
1994    Cliff Rozier    Louisville    Golden State
1993    Rex Walters    Kansas    New Jersey
1992    Randy Woods    La Salle    LA Clippers
1991    Chris Gatling    Old Dominion    Golden State
1990    Terry Mills    Michigan    Milwaukee
1989    Dana Barros    BostonCollege    Seattle
1988    Derrick Chievous    Missouri    Houston
1987    Christian Welp    Washington    Philadelphia
1986    Mo Martin    St. Joseph's    Denver
1985    Bill Wennington    St. John's    Dallas
1984    John Stockton    Gonzaga    Utah
1983    Jon Sundvold    Missouri    Seattle
1982    Terry Teagle    Baylor    Houston
1981    Darnell Valentine    Kansas    Portland
1980    Hawkeye Whitney

A couple good players there.  Maybe once a decade?  Most recent #16 pick was Jusuf Nurkic.   Law of averages says the #16 pick this year is going to be garbage.  Best-case scenario with the #16 pick is someone like Dieng.  You don't trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at landing the next Dieng.

Not bolding Hedo is pretty cold blodded.

Lol.   Would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?

I mean, I'd want to see what the lists were like at 17 and 18. But it's cold blooded to leave a former all star and second best player on a title team off.

[chambers]

Why would the Wolves trade Dieng for such a late pick?  I get that if they land Townes or something they could look to trade the other centers, but surely they can get more than some crapshoot mid 1st. 

What's the chances that the player picked #16 ends up as good as Dieng is right now?  The best-case scenario with a pick that late is someone like Dieng.   It's like saying, "I'll trade you $20 bucks for a scratch ticket where the grand prize is $20 bucks"

It's a decent point. So it would have to be Zeller and 16 for Dieng and a 2nd
This trade idea only works out if the Wolves get Towns or Okafor and like somebody at 16.  Again there is no need for them to have 3 centers (have zeller as the insurance #3)

Former #16 picks:
     
2013    Lucas Nogueira    Brazil    Boston
2012    Royce White    Iowa St.    Houston
2011    Nikola Vucevic    USC    Philadelphia
2010    Luke Babbitt    Nevada    Minnesota
2009    James Johnson    Wake Forest    Chicago
2008    Marreese Speights    Florida    Philadelphia
2007    Nick Young    USC    Washington
2006    Rodney Carnet    Memphis    Philadelphia
2005    Joey Graham    Oklahoma St.Sr.    Toronto
2004    Kirk Snyder    Nevada Jr.    Utah
2003    Troy Bell    BostonCollege Sr.    Boston
2002    Jiri Welsch    Czech Republic 1980    Philadelphia
2001    Kirk Haston    IndianaJr.    NO Hornets
2000    Hidayet Turkoglu    Turkey 1979    Sacramento
1999    Ron Artest    St. Johns So.    Chicago
1998    Bryce Drew    Valparaiso    Houston
1997    Brevin Knight    Stanford    Phoenix
1996    Tony Delk    Kentucky    NO Hornets
1995    Alan Henderson    Indiana    Atlanta
1994    Cliff Rozier    Louisville    Golden State
1993    Rex Walters    Kansas    New Jersey
1992    Randy Woods    La Salle    LA Clippers
1991    Chris Gatling    Old Dominion    Golden State
1990    Terry Mills    Michigan    Milwaukee
1989    Dana Barros    BostonCollege    Seattle
1988    Derrick Chievous    Missouri    Houston
1987    Christian Welp    Washington    Philadelphia
1986    Mo Martin    St. Joseph's    Denver
1985    Bill Wennington    St. John's    Dallas
1984    John Stockton    Gonzaga    Utah
1983    Jon Sundvold    Missouri    Seattle
1982    Terry Teagle    Baylor    Houston
1981    Darnell Valentine    Kansas    Portland
1980    Hawkeye Whitney

A couple good players there.  Maybe once a decade?  Most recent #16 pick was Jusuf Nurkic.   Law of averages says the #16 pick this year is going to be garbage.  Best-case scenario with the #16 pick is someone like Dieng.  You don't trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at landing the next Dieng.

Not bolding Hedo is pretty cold blodded.

Lol.   Would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?

zing

[LooseCannon]

Lol.   Would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?

For what value of x would you trade Dieng if it meant a x/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?  I think there exists a value of x less than 10 where that trade should be made.

[vjcsmoke]

For the 16th pick?  Absolutely.  It would probably take more though.

[LarBrd33]

Lol.   Would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?

For what value of x would you trade Dieng if it meant a x/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?  I think there exists a value of x less than 10 where that trade should be made.

FYI Hedo never made an allstar team, but I agree he had a good stretch for a few years and is definitely one of a handful of players drafted at #16 who actually made it in the league. 

I can't tell if people are underrating Dieng or not getting my point.   Dieng is a nice player.  He can probably be a starting center somewhere.   Your best case scenario with a pick like that is landing someone like Dieng.  Why would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at Dieng?  Why would you trade Dieng for a 9/10 chance for Dieng?  He's a capable starting center on a rookie contract.  If you're trading him, you should be getting a sure thing in return.  #16 is a crap shoot.  Could maybe see moving him for  5-9 pick if they are targeting someone there.   

If they needed a more traditional PF I could maybe see them moving Dieng for Sully, but Sully being an overweight injury-prone player makes such a trade unlikely.

[LooseCannon]

Your best case scenario with a pick like that is landing someone like Dieng.

Your best-case scenario is landing someone who is at least as good as the best player who was ever drafted in that spot, possibly better. 

A 1/30 chance is approximately 3.3%.  The 11th-worst record gives you a 2.9% chance of moving into the top three in the draft lottery.  It may have a small chance of happening, but there's a tangible enough chance of it happening that you shouldn't treat it as practically zero.

If All-Star selections mattered, you failed to highlight at least two former All-Stars on your list.