Our draft picks are now super important

[Scintan]

Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

Not sure which free agent you could sign but I heard Jrue Holiday wasn't keen on staying in New Orleans without Davis and his salary would fit into our cap, so maybe try to convince Griffin to salary dump Holiday to us.

And Holiday was just a suggestion, perhaps Danny tries to trade for a big under the same circumstances by absorbing salary via trade into the cap space.

Ya but then you have the issue of subtracting Horford and adding a 29 year old Holiday is really just a lateral move. I mean pretty much anybody we could reasonably sign would be, unless you are playing the restricted free agent game.

Oh I am not advocating for such things to happen. My preference is to keep Horford long term. Try to convince Al to opt out and sign a new 4 year, $73 million deal that starts at $20 million and decreases by 8% a year for the next three years.

Why would you want Horford on a rebuilding team?

Horford is better off chasing a ring than baby sitting guys like Tatum and Brown.

The Celts are not contenders anymore.

Because he is an excellent player, one of the best role models around for young players, a great locker room presence, and because his total skillset is one of the most sought after in the league. Without Horford, our front line is rubbish.

Replacing Horford with Holiday while also having to completely move on from Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker is a major step backwards, IMO. If you are doing that, may as well go full blow up mode and strip the team down to Brown Tatum Smart and just add a bunch of rookies, suck for a few years and stock the team with high draft picks.

I don't know about replacing Horford with Holiday, but one thing's for sure, if the Celts are not contenders, might as well blow it up.

Staying a middle of the pack team is worse than being a lottery team.

Celts are better off with Brown, Tatum, Smart, and a bunch of rookies.

The championship window has closed for the Celts.

No AD and no Kyrie means the Celts are done.

Time to rebuild again.

pathetic post.  stop your whining.

It's not whining, it's reality.

You can check the odds of teams winning the championship next season.

Celts are not even in the top 5.

The Celtics have a lot of "what if" stuff for next year, which is keeping the odds low.  And a lot of those "what if" questions (i.e. Hayward rebounding back to something like his old self) won't really be answered until sometime during next season.

[Fierce1]

Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

Not sure which free agent you could sign but I heard Jrue Holiday wasn't keen on staying in New Orleans without Davis and his salary would fit into our cap, so maybe try to convince Griffin to salary dump Holiday to us.

And Holiday was just a suggestion, perhaps Danny tries to trade for a big under the same circumstances by absorbing salary via trade into the cap space.

Ya but then you have the issue of subtracting Horford and adding a 29 year old Holiday is really just a lateral move. I mean pretty much anybody we could reasonably sign would be, unless you are playing the restricted free agent game.

Oh I am not advocating for such things to happen. My preference is to keep Horford long term. Try to convince Al to opt out and sign a new 4 year, $73 million deal that starts at $20 million and decreases by 8% a year for the next three years.

Why would you want Horford on a rebuilding team?

Horford is better off chasing a ring than baby sitting guys like Tatum and Brown.

The Celts are not contenders anymore.

Because he is an excellent player, one of the best role models around for young players, a great locker room presence, and because his total skillset is one of the most sought after in the league. Without Horford, our front line is rubbish.

Replacing Horford with Holiday while also having to completely move on from Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker is a major step backwards, IMO. If you are doing that, may as well go full blow up mode and strip the team down to Brown Tatum Smart and just add a bunch of rookies, suck for a few years and stock the team with high draft picks.

I don't know about replacing Horford with Holiday, but one thing's for sure, if the Celts are not contenders, might as well blow it up.

Staying a middle of the pack team is worse than being a lottery team.

Celts are better off with Brown, Tatum, Smart, and a bunch of rookies.

The championship window has closed for the Celts.

No AD and no Kyrie means the Celts are done.

Time to rebuild again.

pathetic post.  stop your whining.

It's not whining, it's reality.

You can check the odds of teams winning the championship next season.

Celts are not even in the top 5.

The Celtics have a lot of "what if" stuff for next year, which is keeping the odds low.  And a lot of those "what if" questions (i.e. Hayward rebounding back to something like his old self) won't really be answered until sometime during next season.

Best case scenario is Hayward returns to All-Star form and the Celts can either keep him or trade him at the trade deadline where he will be very valuable.

The "what if" stuff doesn't matter anymore because Ainge's master plan has backfired.

It was supposed to be 4 star players, AD, Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward.
That was Ainge's goal.

Right now the Celts will not come close to reaching even the east finals even if Hayward returns to All-Star form.

Horford, Hayward, Brown, and Tatum, at best, will just be a 6th or 7th seed.

So there's really no point in prolonging the agony.

Right now the Celts have 3 1st rounders and the 2020 top 6 Memphis pick.

It's better if the Celts start rebuilding now when the Celts still have lots of options.

[PAOBoston]

If we use all the picks, imagine how good our summer league team will be lol

It’s the small victories that matter lol

[droopdog7]

Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

Not sure which free agent you could sign but I heard Jrue Holiday wasn't keen on staying in New Orleans without Davis and his salary would fit into our cap, so maybe try to convince Griffin to salary dump Holiday to us.

And Holiday was just a suggestion, perhaps Danny tries to trade for a big under the same circumstances by absorbing salary via trade into the cap space.

Ya but then you have the issue of subtracting Horford and adding a 29 year old Holiday is really just a lateral move. I mean pretty much anybody we could reasonably sign would be, unless you are playing the restricted free agent game.

Oh I am not advocating for such things to happen. My preference is to keep Horford long term. Try to convince Al to opt out and sign a new 4 year, $73 million deal that starts at $20 million and decreases by 8% a year for the next three years.

Why would you want Horford on a rebuilding team?

Horford is better off chasing a ring than baby sitting guys like Tatum and Brown.

The Celts are not contenders anymore.

[dang], a lot of people are counting us dead already. Come through DA, don't let the pessimists win!

My issue is I see no way, with kyrie leaving, that DA can make a move to make better. 

[PhoSita]

The draft is now the only hope in the next few years of adding the player who will be able to take this team to a title.

[gouki88]

The draft is now the only hope in the next few years of adding the player who will be able to take this team to a title.

Or Hayward returns to All-Star form and we DeRozan him to a team with a discontented super-star (c'mon Giannis! You know Wisconsin is lame)

[CelticsElite]

If ainge can Draft a siakam type player this year with 1 of the 3 picks, that will control the damage

[Tr1boy]

If ainge can Draft a siakam type player this year with 1 of the 3 picks, that will control the damage

Okpala, PJ Washington are a few options

[CelticsElite]

If ainge can Draft a siakam type player this year with 1 of the 3 picks, that will control the damage

Okpala, PJ Washington are a few options

agree

[gouki88]

If ainge can Draft a siakam type player this year with 1 of the 3 picks, that will control the damage

Okpala, PJ Washington are a few options

agree

I think Doumbouya has the most Siakam-esque aura

[Somebody]

Our draft picks won't matter if Ainge continues to draft with SmallballsBrad mentality. We need to draft skilled and mobile size.

[Ilikesports17]

Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.

That's not how this works. 

But yeah, if we let Rozier and Morris walk, Kyrie leaves and Horford leaves, we should have a shade under 30 mil in cap space.

Yes, I know about the cap holds.

But right now the Celts are not close to becoming a contender.

Horford is not a priority.

Ainge can package 3 picks for 1, to make more cap room.

Celts don't need Morris anymore.

D-Lo is a better option than Rozier.

It can be done.

Yes he is....but he is not the right pg for tatum and brown.

Russell is a lesser version of irving.
Same weaknesses and lesser strengths.



And irving didnt work.

A big part of the Irving problem was personality

[LarBrd33]

Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.

That's not how this works. 

But yeah, if we let Rozier and Morris walk, Kyrie leaves and Horford leaves, we should have a shade under 30 mil in cap space.

Yes, I know about the cap holds.

But right now the Celts are not close to becoming a contender.

Horford is not a priority.

Ainge can package 3 picks for 1, to make more cap room.

Celts don't need Morris anymore.

D-Lo is a better option than Rozier.

It can be done.

Yes he is....but he is not the right pg for tatum and brown.

Russell is a lesser version of irving.
Same weaknesses and lesser strengths.



And irving didnt work.

A big part of the Irving problem was personality

There was no Irving problem.  There was a talent problem.  Russell wouldn't change that.  We aren't contending either way.  But we'd be better with Russell than without Russell. 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Ahh, the draft. Where Danny so often finds his two favorite types of players—"combo" guards who can't really dribble OR shoot, and undersized "bigs."

Boston's highest pick this year is 14—certainly not a terrible spot, but just as certainly not a great spot.

I'm not getting my hopes up for Boston getting anything special out of this draft. But hey, with no Kyrie and no AD, Danny can certainly keep all of his picks this year if he wants. It's not like he needs to keep guys like Yabu on the roster.

[Stig]

Whatever we do please don’t do repeat Zizic and Yabu