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Re: Our draft picks are now super important
« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2019, 10:58:44 PM »

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For the price that russell will cost the team can go after brogdon instead.

If Horford would be willing to take a yearv1 salary of 15 million (backloaded 3 year 60 mill contract) and boston renounced all capholds team could offer brogdon somewhere around 22 million per season.

He would be the ideal pg.

Use all draft picks on depth, get a pg (naw at 14) use 20 and 22 on bigmen amd hope 1 works out to be a stud. Take a gamble. Use room mle on a backup bigman.

Brogdon/naw/
Brown/smart/
Tatum/hayward/
Horford/mle/yabu
Baynes/williams/draft

I would also consider dealing for a bigman that may fit the current mold mid season.

The difference is Russell will be forced out of Brooklyn if Kyrie goes there.

Brogdon on the other hand has no reason to leave the Bucks.

Why would Brogdon leave the Bucks?

For money and the starting pg job.


Re: Our draft picks are now super important
« Reply #61 on: June 15, 2019, 11:00:43 PM »

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For the price that russell will cost the team can go after brogdon instead.

If Horford would be willing to take a yearv1 salary of 15 million (backloaded 3 year 60 mill contract) and boston renounced all capholds team could offer brogdon somewhere around 22 million per season.

He would be the ideal pg.

Use all draft picks on depth, get a pg (naw at 14) use 20 and 22 on bigmen amd hope 1 works out to be a stud. Take a gamble. Use room mle on a backup bigman.

Brogdon/naw/
Brown/smart/
Tatum/hayward/
Horford/mle/yabu
Baynes/williams/draft

I would also consider dealing for a bigman that may fit the current mold mid season.
Bucks will match any Brogdon offer.

Repoets say nothing north of 20 mill will be matched

Re: Our draft picks are now super important
« Reply #62 on: June 15, 2019, 11:01:31 PM »

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Now that we are out of the running for AD and Kyrie, what moves do we need to make to avoid the luxury tax?  That has to be a big consideration?  One reason to renegotiate Al's deal I guess.

Renegotiate Al's deal so that Celts can go after D'Angelo Russell.

If Kyrie's 21m is off the payroll and Al's 30m is restructured or gone, Celts will be able to go after D-Lo.
They still will not be able to go after Russell. 

Still wouldn't have enough cap room.

It would have to be a double sign-and-trade with Kyrie/Russell... which only happens if we give up major assets to the Nets - like the Memphis 1st.

Why not?

Without the contracts of Kyrie and Horford, the Celts' payroll is only around 65m.
The salary cap is 109m for next season.

Actually the Celtics committed salary is closer to 72 (including Semi, eight players). Then you have cap holds for the three first round picks, which is around 8.5 million (because it 120% of the draft slot). Then you have cap holds for your free agents, including Rozier and Morris. So if you renounced both of them you could get somewhat close.

Yes, it can be done.

And Ainge can always trade multiple picks to trade up or do a 3 for 1 trade.

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« Reply #63 on: June 15, 2019, 11:02:05 PM »

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For the price that russell will cost the team can go after brogdon instead.

If Horford would be willing to take a yearv1 salary of 15 million (backloaded 3 year 60 mill contract) and boston renounced all capholds team could offer brogdon somewhere around 22 million per season.

He would be the ideal pg.

Use all draft picks on depth, get a pg (naw at 14) use 20 and 22 on bigmen amd hope 1 works out to be a stud. Take a gamble. Use room mle on a backup bigman.

Brogdon/naw/
Brown/smart/
Tatum/hayward/
Horford/mle/yabu
Baynes/williams/draft

I would also consider dealing for a bigman that may fit the current mold mid season.

The difference is Russell will be forced out of Brooklyn if Kyrie goes there.

Brogdon on the other hand has no reason to leave the Bucks.

Why would Brogdon leave the Bucks?

For money and the starting pg job.
Brogdon already starts for the Bucks and he's an RFA so the Bucks will just match the offer unless we really overpay.

Re: Our draft picks are now super important
« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2019, 11:02:42 PM »

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For the price that russell will cost the team can go after brogdon instead.

If Horford would be willing to take a yearv1 salary of 15 million (backloaded 3 year 60 mill contract) and boston renounced all capholds team could offer brogdon somewhere around 22 million per season.

He would be the ideal pg.

Use all draft picks on depth, get a pg (naw at 14) use 20 and 22 on bigmen amd hope 1 works out to be a stud. Take a gamble. Use room mle on a backup bigman.

Brogdon/naw/
Brown/smart/
Tatum/hayward/
Horford/mle/yabu
Baynes/williams/draft

I would also consider dealing for a bigman that may fit the current mold mid season.
Bucks will match any Brogdon offer.

Repoets say nothing north of 20 mill will be matched

If it's 20m per year for Brogdon then that would be more expensive than giving 20m per year on the All-Star D-Lo.

Re: Our draft picks are now super important
« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2019, 11:03:53 PM »

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For the price that russell will cost the team can go after brogdon instead.

If Horford would be willing to take a yearv1 salary of 15 million (backloaded 3 year 60 mill contract) and boston renounced all capholds team could offer brogdon somewhere around 22 million per season.

He would be the ideal pg.

Use all draft picks on depth, get a pg (naw at 14) use 20 and 22 on bigmen amd hope 1 works out to be a stud. Take a gamble. Use room mle on a backup bigman.

Brogdon/naw/
Brown/smart/
Tatum/hayward/
Horford/mle/yabu
Baynes/williams/draft

I would also consider dealing for a bigman that may fit the current mold mid season.

The difference is Russell will be forced out of Brooklyn if Kyrie goes there.

Brogdon on the other hand has no reason to leave the Bucks.

Why would Brogdon leave the Bucks?

For money and the starting pg job.
Brogdon already starts for the Bucks and he's an RFA so the Bucks will just match the offer unless we really overpay.

True.

And I really don't believe Brogdon would leave, he's in a good place.

Re: Our draft picks are now super important
« Reply #66 on: June 15, 2019, 11:05:09 PM »

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Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.
Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

Not sure which free agent you could sign but I heard Jrue Holiday wasn't keen on staying in New Orleans without Davis and his salary would fit into our cap, so maybe try to convince Griffin to salary dump Holiday to us.

And Holiday was just a suggestion, perhaps Danny tries to trade for a big under the same circumstances by absorbing salary via trade into the cap space.

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« Reply #67 on: June 15, 2019, 11:05:21 PM »

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Bucks have over 70 mill committed next season with middleton, mirotic, lopez, brogdon all free agents and Giannis due soon.

Brogdon can be had or the Bucks payroll will be ridiculous next season as middleton will get 22-25 and at least 8-10 each for mirotic and lopez...probably more.

Thats 115 million in payroll, plus a pick, plus a supermax to giannis soon. Milwaukee cnnoy afford a 200 mill payroll.

Brogdon can be had at over 20 million.

Re: Our draft picks are now super important
« Reply #68 on: June 15, 2019, 11:07:17 PM »

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For the price that russell will cost the team can go after brogdon instead.

If Horford would be willing to take a yearv1 salary of 15 million (backloaded 3 year 60 mill contract) and boston renounced all capholds team could offer brogdon somewhere around 22 million per season.

He would be the ideal pg.

Use all draft picks on depth, get a pg (naw at 14) use 20 and 22 on bigmen amd hope 1 works out to be a stud. Take a gamble. Use room mle on a backup bigman.

Brogdon/naw/
Brown/smart/
Tatum/hayward/
Horford/mle/yabu
Baynes/williams/draft

I would also consider dealing for a bigman that may fit the current mold mid season.
Bucks will match any Brogdon offer.

Repoets say nothing north of 20 mill will be matched

If it's 20m per year for Brogdon then that would be more expensive than giving 20m per year on the All-Star D-Lo.

Brogdon is a better pg and a better fit than russell.

And russell moat likely costs more than the 20ish mill that can net u brogdon

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« Reply #69 on: June 15, 2019, 11:09:12 PM »

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Now that we are out of the running for AD and Kyrie, what moves do we need to make to avoid the luxury tax?  That has to be a big consideration?  One reason to renegotiate Al's deal I guess.

Renegotiate Al's deal so that Celts can go after D'Angelo Russell.

If Kyrie's 21m is off the payroll and Al's 30m is restructured or gone, Celts will be able to go after D-Lo.
They still will not be able to go after Russell. 

Still wouldn't have enough cap room.

It would have to be a double sign-and-trade with Kyrie/Russell... which only happens if we give up major assets to the Nets - like the Memphis 1st.

Why not?

Without the contracts of Kyrie and Horford, the Celts' payroll is only around 65m.
The salary cap is 109m for next season.
With Horford making 20 mil:  About 98 million committed.

With Horford completely gone... about 78 million committed.

Yes, if Horford bails we could have like 29 mil in cap space.  Otherwise... no money to sign Russell.

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« Reply #70 on: June 15, 2019, 11:09:30 PM »

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Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.
Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

Not sure which free agent you could sign but I heard Jrue Holiday wasn't keen on staying in New Orleans without Davis and his salary would fit into our cap, so maybe try to convince Griffin to salary dump Holiday to us.

And Holiday was just a suggestion, perhaps Danny tries to trade for a big under the same circumstances by absorbing salary via trade into the cap space.

Ya but then you have the issue of subtracting Horford and adding a 29 year old Holiday is really just a lateral move. I mean pretty much anybody we could reasonably sign would be, unless you are playing the restricted free agent game.

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« Reply #71 on: June 15, 2019, 11:10:53 PM »

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For the price that russell will cost the team can go after brogdon instead.

If Horford would be willing to take a yearv1 salary of 15 million (backloaded 3 year 60 mill contract) and boston renounced all capholds team could offer brogdon somewhere around 22 million per season.

He would be the ideal pg.

Use all draft picks on depth, get a pg (naw at 14) use 20 and 22 on bigmen amd hope 1 works out to be a stud. Take a gamble. Use room mle on a backup bigman.

Brogdon/naw/
Brown/smart/
Tatum/hayward/
Horford/mle/yabu
Baynes/williams/draft

I would also consider dealing for a bigman that may fit the current mold mid season.

The difference is Russell will be forced out of Brooklyn if Kyrie goes there.

Brogdon on the other hand has no reason to leave the Bucks.

Why would Brogdon leave the Bucks?

For money and the starting pg job.
Brogdon already starts for the Bucks and he's an RFA so the Bucks will just match the offer unless we really overpay.

True.

And I really don't believe Brogdon would leave, he's in a good place.

Milwaukee cannot offer him what he is worth. Cannot do it. They will be way too deep into tax.

Middleton is resign number 1
Lopez is number 2.

Brogdon would be 3rd

And as I stated in a previous post bucks alreaxy have 70 mill committed. 70 mill.

Middleton is most likely 25.
Lopez is on a discount 10 mill.
Mirotic they most likely want and need back at 10ish. That is a minimum of 115 mill payroll, plus mle, plus pick is 155 million in payroll.

There is no way they bring back brogdon at 20 million and have a payroll in the 150 to 170 mill range with the giannis supermax looming.

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« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2019, 11:11:02 PM »

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Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.
That's not how this works. 

But yeah, if we let Rozier and Morris walk, Kyrie leaves and Horford leaves, we should have a shade under 30 mil in cap space.

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« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2019, 11:14:48 PM »

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Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.
Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

Not sure which free agent you could sign but I heard Jrue Holiday wasn't keen on staying in New Orleans without Davis and his salary would fit into our cap, so maybe try to convince Griffin to salary dump Holiday to us.

And Holiday was just a suggestion, perhaps Danny tries to trade for a big under the same circumstances by absorbing salary via trade into the cap space.

Ya but then you have the issue of subtracting Horford and adding a 29 year old Holiday is really just a lateral move. I mean pretty much anybody we could reasonably sign would be, unless you are playing the restricted free agent game.
Oh I am not advocating for such things to happen. My preference is to keep Horford long term. Try to convince Al to opt out and sign a new 4 year, $73 million deal that starts at $20 million and decreases by 8% a year for the next three years.

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« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2019, 11:22:25 PM »

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Kyrie 21.3m + Horford 30.1m = 51.3m.

Celts will have enough cap room for D-Lo if that 51.3m is off the payroll.
That's not how this works. 

But yeah, if we let Rozier and Morris walk, Kyrie leaves and Horford leaves, we should have a shade under 30 mil in cap space.

Yes, I know about the cap holds.

But right now the Celts are not close to becoming a contender.

Horford is not a priority.

Ainge can package 3 picks for 1, to make more cap room.

Celts don't need Morris anymore.

D-Lo is a better option than Rozier.

It can be done.