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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Jvalin on August 15, 2018, 06:30:04 PM
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(assuming Danny believes that Kyrie plans to leave next summer via free agency)
Boston in: McCollum
Boston out: Irving, Morris
NY in: Irving
NY out: Courtney Lee, Ntilikina, Knox
Portland in: Courtney Lee, Morris, Ntilikina, Knox
Portland out: McCollum
Feel free to add pick(s) if necessary.
(https://i.imgur.com/V5ykDH3.png?1)
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y97jmev5
Why for Boston?
- The whole scenario is based on the assumption that Kyrie plans to leave in 2019 via free agency.
- Kyrie is not exactly an iron man whereas McCollum has only lost 5 regular season games in the last 3 seasons.
- I believe McCollum would make a great score-first PG. Imo, he can never realize his full potential while playing alongside Lillard. Sort of like Harden and Westbrook at OKC.
- McCollum's contract expires in 2021 (2 extra years under team control).
Why for NY?
- They get a 26-year-old superstar in Kyrie.
- They clear about 22 million in cap space for next season.
- They then go after Butler in free agency (rumor has it that Kyrie and Butler want to team up next summer).
Why for Portland?
- Portland have invested a lot in Lillard and McCollum and they’re not making progress. I mean, they got swept by the Pels in the first round. It's possible that they decide to part ways with McCollum (especially if they get off to a bad start next season).
- They get two battle-hardened vets in positions of need (Lee - Morris) and two promising prospects (Ntilikina - Knox). To put it another way, they stay competitive this year while at the same time they build for the future.
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We have a chance to win a title this year. There is a pretty steep price to give up that chance in my opinion. In a playoff game Irvings shot creation is of huge value. Switching in someone like McCollum we take a huge step back and may not even make the finals.
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(assuming Danny believes that Kyrie plans to leave next summer via free agency)
I'm not doing that tho
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not trading Irving. If he leaves, he leaves.
You don't make trades that take you further away from a championship. Irving > McCollum. Boston walks.
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Might as well trade Horford for Clint Capela while we’re at it.
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McCollum is not a PG. A really good 2 guard.
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If Kyrie is gonna leave I sure hope he tells Danny sooner rather than later
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McCollum is not a PG. A really good 2 guard.
Did you believe Harden could thrive at PG when he was playing next to Westbrook?
Obviously, McCollum starts at SG, but he regularly plays backup PG to Lillard. The way I see it, he has what it takes to make a great score-first PG.
- 6'3 with shoes (just as Kyrie), 6'6 wingspan (2 inches longer than Kyrie's)
- can create his own shot
- can create for his teammates
- tight handles
- 3.4 assists, 1.9 t/o last season
Problem is, he cannot start at PG cause the Blazers already have Lillard.
In the 20 games Lillard has missed and McCollum has played over the past three seasons, McCollum averaged 26.9 points and 5.3 assists.
Imo, if Danny decides to move on from Kyrie, McCollum is hands down the best player we can realistically target via trade.
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Might as well trade Horford for Clint Capela while we’re at it.
Hayward for Wiggins? Go all out on WCF players who are inferior to our own
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If we know for certain that Irving is leaving, I’d definitely make that trade. I agree with everything the OP said. McCollum would be a great replacement. He can do a lot of the things that Kyrie can do. He can certainly play point guard on this team. Even Irving gives up the playmaking duties to Smart and Rozier a lot of the time. McCollum would be perfect. If we aren’t sure Irving wants to leave, I obviously wouldn’t make the trade.
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Unless Irving says that he's leaving after this season and there is no reason for him to do so, Danny is not going to trade Irving.
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Since it's summer, and there's nothing else going on, I'm take this opportunity to rail on CJ McCollum.
To me, the dude just looks like he was born 25 years too late. Like he would have been perfect on A Different World or in one of those late 80's/early 90's new jack swing groups.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/differentworld/images/2/2e/Ron-say-what.gif)
(http://images.45cat.com/guy-groove-me-a-cappella-uptown-mca.jpg)
And his podcast sucks. Ever sit near a couple (or maybe even have been that person) on a first date with no chemistry, and you hear the guy pepper the girl with questions trying to get to know her, but you can tell there's probably not going to be a 2nd date? That's what McCollum sounds like on his podcast.
Ok rant over.
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- Kyrie is not exactly an iron man whereas McCollum has only lost 5 regular season games in the last 3 seasons.
Really? He's got one hell of a winning percentage.
Look I'm a huge CJ fan, but:
1. Kyrie is better than CJ. You don't make a trade when you don't get the better player.
2. CJ is not a point guard.
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Since it's summer, and there's nothing else going on, I'm take this opportunity to rail on CJ McCollum.
To me, the dude just looks like he was born 25 years too late. Like he would have been perfect on A Different World or in one of those late 80's/early 90's new jack swing groups.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/differentworld/images/2/2e/Ron-say-what.gif)
(http://images.45cat.com/guy-groove-me-a-cappella-uptown-mca.jpg)
And his podcast sucks. Ever sit near a couple (or maybe even have been that person) on a first date with no chemistry, and you hear the guy pepper the girl with questions trying to get to know her, but you can tell there's probably not going to be a 2nd date? That's what McCollum sounds like on his podcast.
Ok rant over.
This made me audibly laugh, TP
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
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McCollum is not a PG. A really good 2 guard.
Did you believe Harden could thrive at PG when he was playing next to Westbrook?
Saying James Harden is a PG reminds me of all the people at the parks/CYO’s where just because they dribble the ball past half court, they suddenly think they’re point guards. His assist numbers seem irrelevant to me because his teammates have zero choice but to shoot when Harden passes the ball to them since the shot clock is about to expire. I can’t think of another player who holds onto the ball as long as Harden in the league.
As for McCollum, he’s a very good but not great, undersized two guard. The trade idea does have some merit, but I wouldn’t trade Irving. I think the Celtics have a legitimate chance to win it all with Kyrie, but would severally diminish with that trade. Whenever I see Portland play, especially in the playoffs, there seems to be something missing with McCollum. Almost as if he disappears far too easily and definitely doesn’t have the killer instinct of Kyrie.
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Bad timing.
Bad return value.
Bad fit.
Bad trade.
And it will never happen.
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Since it's summer, and there's nothing else going on, I'm take this opportunity to rail on CJ McCollum.
To me, the dude just looks like he was born 25 years too late. Like he would have been perfect on A Different World or in one of those late 80's/early 90's new jack swing groups.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/differentworld/images/2/2e/Ron-say-what.gif)
(http://images.45cat.com/guy-groove-me-a-cappella-uptown-mca.jpg)
And his podcast sucks. Ever sit near a couple (or maybe even have been that person) on a first date with no chemistry, and you hear the guy pepper the girl with questions trying to get to know her, but you can tell there's probably not going to be a 2nd date? That's what McCollum sounds like on his podcast.
Ok rant over.
CJ does always look like he's auditioning for the role of 'best friend' in a coming of age movie where they do constant flashbacks to the early 90's.
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Yeah I agree with this. Kyrie, I think, is the superior player. But it’s not by a wide margin. I’d rather be paying McCollum $25 mill next year than be paying Kyrie the $40 mill he’s going to demand. I don’t like giving up Morris in the process, though. He’s more important to this team than people realize, and can probably be resigned for what he is making now, which is a bargain.
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Bad timing.
Bad return value.
Bad fit.
Bad trade.
And it will never happen.
Besides all that how do you feel about it?
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Bad timing.
Bad return value.
Bad fit.
Bad trade.
And it will never happen.
Besides all that how do you feel about it?
Well, other than those things, I love it!!!😁
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McCollum is really underrated. I've seen him have some monster games playing the PG whenever Lillard has been out. Besides, I'm really confused as to why he can't play PG. Can he handle the ball? Yes. Can he execute the PNR? Absolutely. Is he at least an average passer. Yes. Is he a pure PG? No. However, how many players in today's NBA are really pure PG's? The league is riddled with score first PG's like Westbrook, Lillard, Curry, Irving, etc., so the notion that McCollum will be unable to play the position seems shortsighted.
I do think Irving is the better player, but if we were able to work out a 3 team deal where we would receive McCollum and the Blazers 1st rd pick this year (I think that'll be a late lottery pick with them getting squeezed out of the playoffs), then that's something I'd really consider. Especially with the uncertainty of Irving's pending free agency.
Statistical comparison over the last 3 seasons (since CJ has started)
McCollum
Games Played 80 - 81 -80
PPG 20.8 - 23.0 - 21.4
APG 4.2 - 3.6 -3.4
RPG 3.2 - 3.6 - 4.0
FG% 44.8 - 48.0 - 44.3
FT% 82.7 - 91.2 - 83.6
3PT% 41.7 - 42.1 - 39.7
Irving
Games Played 53 -72 -60
PPG 19.6 - 25.2 - 24.4
APG 4.7 - 5.8 - 5.1
RPG 3.0 - 3.2 - 3.8
FG% 44.8 - 47.3 - 49.1
FT% 88.5 - 90.5 - 88.9
3PT% 32.1 - 40.1 - 40.8
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Out of curiosity, what do you find unlikable about Kyrie?
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McCollum is really underrated. I've seen him have some monster games playing the PG whenever Lillard has been out. Besides, I'm really confused as to why he can't play PG. Can he handle the ball? Yes. Can he execute the PNR? Absolutely. Is he at least an average passer. Yes. Is he a pure PG? No. However, how many players in today's NBA are really pure PG's? The league is riddled with score first PG's like Westbrook, Lillard, Curry, Irving, etc., so the notion that McCollum will be unable to play the position seems shortsighted.
I do think Irving is the better player, but if we were able to work out a 3 team deal where we would receive McCollum and the Blazers 1st rd pick this year (I think that'll be a late lottery pick with them getting squeezed out of the playoffs), then that's something I'd really consider. Especially with the uncertainty of Irving's pending free agency.
Statistical comparison over the last 3 seasons (since CJ has started)
McCollum
Games Played 80 - 81 -80
PPG 20.8 - 23.0 - 21.4
APG 4.2 - 3.6 -3.4
RPG 3.2 - 3.6 - 4.0
FG% 44.8 - 48.0 - 44.3
FT% 82.7 - 91.2 - 83.6
3PT% 41.7 - 42.1 - 39.7
Irving
Games Played 53 -72 -60
PPG 19.6 - 25.2 - 24.4
APG 4.7 - 5.8 - 5.1
RPG 3.0 - 3.2 - 3.8
FG% 44.8 - 47.3 - 49.1
FT% 88.5 - 90.5 - 88.9
3PT% 32.1 - 40.1 - 40.8
This is a case where per 36 numbers would do better to show how Kyrie is on another level offensively. I like CJ a lot, but he is a high level scorer, whereas Irving is an elite one.
Per 36, Kyrie was at 23, 26, nd 27 points per game the last 3 seasons. His assists were 5, 6, and 6.
McCullom was 22, 24 and 21 the last 3 seasons. His assists were 4, 4, and 3.
The difference between the two numbers is the difference between a high level starter/fringe all-star and a superstar.
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Yeah I agree with this. Kyrie, I think, is the superior player. But it’s not by a wide margin. I’d rather be paying McCollum $25 mill next year than be paying Kyrie the $40 mill he’s going to demand. I don’t like giving up Morris in the process, though. He’s more important to this team than people realize, and can probably be resigned for what he is making now, which is a bargain.
This is the kind of thinking that results in a legendary bad trade. Look back through the ages, the team that got the better player has usually "won" the trade in the sense of going on to becoming a championship-competing team. The lesser players are more-or-less forgotten.
Ainge has steadfastly maintained that you need elite players, not just good players. This is proven by looking at who won championships. Top-10 players are a must, and preferably top-5.
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Bad timing.
Bad return value.
Bad fit.
Bad trade.
And it will never happen.
Besides all that how do you feel about it?
Well, other than those things, I love it!!!😁
This is what we call "creating a positive spin".
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McCollum is not a PG. A really good 2 guard.
Did you believe Harden could thrive at PG when he was playing next to Westbrook?
Whenever I see Portland play, especially in the playoffs, there seems to be something missing with McCollum. Almost as if he disappears far too easily and definitely doesn’t have the killer instinct of Kyrie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgdO2BxNVb8
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Out of curiosity, what do you find unlikable about Kyrie?
Scoring PG. Bad effort without the ball. Rarely plays defense. Mediocre rebounder. A mediocre passer. Bad floor general. Doesn't make his teammates better. A guy who only cares about his own numbers. Selfish player. Then all the crap / weird stuff in the interviews. Earth is flat crap. Like a child wanting attention. His game doesn't appeal to me and his personality doesn't appeal to me.
He is the luckiest guy ever to luck his way onto LeBron's team and then Ainge's titan of a team. If not for those two guys, Kyrie would still be struggling to make the playoffs.
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Yeah I agree with this. Kyrie, I think, is the superior player. But it’s not by a wide margin. I’d rather be paying McCollum $25 mill next year than be paying Kyrie the $40 mill he’s going to demand. I don’t like giving up Morris in the process, though. He’s more important to this team than people realize, and can probably be resigned for what he is making now, which is a bargain.
Irving isn't getting paid 40 million. He is a 30% max player, the cap is going to be around 110 million, which makes Irving a 33 million player (or in that neighborhood). Morris is barely going to play for Boston next year.
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I am so glad Ainge is the GM.
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Out of curiosity, what do you find unlikable about Kyrie?
Scoring PG. Bad effort without the ball. Rarely plays defense. Mediocre rebounder. A mediocre passer. Bad floor general. Doesn't make his teammates better. A guy who only cares about his own numbers. Selfish player. Then all the crap / weird stuff in the interviews. Earth is flat crap. Like a child wanting attention. His game doesn't appeal to me and his personality doesn't appeal to me.
He is the luckiest guy ever to luck his way onto LeBron's team and then Ainge's titan of a team. If not for those two guys, Kyrie would still be struggling to make the playoffs.
I question a lot of this assessment.
Bad movement off-ball? I thought he worked handoffs and backdoors pretty well with Horford and Baynes last year.
Mediocre Rebounder? He's a point guard. Our team rebounding was pretty high level with him on the court. I don't need him stealing rebounds from other players to boost his own stats.
Barely plays defense? Yes and no. Almost every elite guard playmaker focuses their energy on offense (Harden, Westbrook, James, Lillard, DeRozan, Walker, Curry). What I like about Irving is that he can lock-in on defense and make importance crunch-time defensive plays. The Houston game in Boston last year turned on multiple defensive plays by Irving in the 2nd. He had multiple key stands against Curry in the finals the year the Cavs won it.
Mediocre passer? He isn't Paul, but then again, Paul can't score like Irving can. Only Harden, James, and Westbrook scored as many points and dished out as many assists per36 as Irving did last year.
Bad floor general? Doesn't make teammates better? I thought Tatum and Brown both showed confidence and development early in the year in large part because of Irving's confidence in them and the way he set them up.
Selfish? I've never seen that. In fact, I would rather he shot more. At times, he takes one too many dribbles, but I always had a sense that he picks his spots and sets up other guys early in the game to get them involved.
If you don't like his personality, that's fine, but don't let that color who he is as a basketball player.
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I like trades that the Celtics get the best player in the deal and this isn't one...
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This is like Leonard for DeRozan
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I just met Terry Stotts last night. Super nice guy.
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Out of curiosity, what do you find unlikable about Kyrie?
Scoring PG. Bad effort without the ball. Rarely plays defense. Mediocre rebounder. A mediocre passer. Bad floor general. Doesn't make his teammates better. A guy who only cares about his own numbers. Selfish player. Then all the crap / weird stuff in the interviews. Earth is flat crap. Like a child wanting attention. His game doesn't appeal to me and his personality doesn't appeal to me.
He is the luckiest guy ever to luck his way onto LeBron's team and then Ainge's titan of a team. If not for those two guys, Kyrie would still be struggling to make the playoffs.
100 TPs.
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Out of curiosity, what do you find unlikable about Kyrie?
Scoring PG. Bad effort without the ball. Rarely plays defense. Mediocre rebounder. A mediocre passer. Bad floor general. Doesn't make his teammates better. A guy who only cares about his own numbers. Selfish player. Then all the crap / weird stuff in the interviews. Earth is flat crap. Like a child wanting attention. His game doesn't appeal to me and his personality doesn't appeal to me.
He is the luckiest guy ever to luck his way onto LeBron's team and then Ainge's titan of a team. If not for those two guys, Kyrie would still be struggling to make the playoffs.
I question a lot of this assessment.
Bad movement off-ball? I thought he worked handoffs and backdoors pretty well with Horford and Baynes last year.
Mediocre Rebounder? He's a point guard. Our team rebounding was pretty high level with him on the court. I don't need him stealing rebounds from other players to boost his own stats.
Barely plays defense? Yes and no. Almost every elite guard playmaker focuses their energy on offense (Harden, Westbrook, James, Lillard, DeRozan, Walker, Curry). What I like about Irving is that he can lock-in on defense and make importance crunch-time defensive plays. The Houston game in Boston last year turned on multiple defensive plays by Irving in the 2nd. He had multiple key stands against Curry in the finals the year the Cavs won it.
Mediocre passer? He isn't Paul, but then again, Paul can't score like Irving can. Only Harden, James, and Westbrook scored as many points and dished out as many assists per36 as Irving did last year.
Bad floor general? Doesn't make teammates better? I thought Tatum and Brown both showed confidence and development early in the year in large part because of Irving's confidence in them and the way he set them up.
Selfish? I've never seen that. In fact, I would rather he shot more. At times, he takes one too many dribbles, but I always had a sense that he picks his spots and sets up other guys early in the game to get them involved.
If you don't like his personality, that's fine, but don't let that color who he is as a basketball player.
He is just joking aroud
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Out of curiosity, what do you find unlikable about Kyrie?
Scoring PG. Bad effort without the ball. Rarely plays defense. Mediocre rebounder. A mediocre passer. Bad floor general. Doesn't make his teammates better. A guy who only cares about his own numbers. Selfish player. Then all the crap / weird stuff in the interviews. Earth is flat crap. Like a child wanting attention. His game doesn't appeal to me and his personality doesn't appeal to me.
He is the luckiest guy ever to luck his way onto LeBron's team and then Ainge's titan of a team. If not for those two guys, Kyrie would still be struggling to make the playoffs.
I question a lot of this assessment.
Bad movement off-ball? I thought he worked handoffs and backdoors pretty well with Horford and Baynes last year.
Mediocre Rebounder? He's a point guard. Our team rebounding was pretty high level with him on the court. I don't need him stealing rebounds from other players to boost his own stats.
Barely plays defense? Yes and no. Almost every elite guard playmaker focuses their energy on offense (Harden, Westbrook, James, Lillard, DeRozan, Walker, Curry). What I like about Irving is that he can lock-in on defense and make importance crunch-time defensive plays. The Houston game in Boston last year turned on multiple defensive plays by Irving in the 2nd. He had multiple key stands against Curry in the finals the year the Cavs won it.
Mediocre passer? He isn't Paul, but then again, Paul can't score like Irving can. Only Harden, James, and Westbrook scored as many points and dished out as many assists per36 as Irving did last year.
Bad floor general? Doesn't make teammates better? I thought Tatum and Brown both showed confidence and development early in the year in large part because of Irving's confidence in them and the way he set them up.
Selfish? I've never seen that. In fact, I would rather he shot more. At times, he takes one too many dribbles, but I always had a sense that he picks his spots and sets up other guys early in the game to get them involved.
If you don't like his personality, that's fine, but don't let that color who he is as a basketball player.
Thank you. TP
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Out of curiosity, what do you find unlikable about Kyrie?
Scoring PG. Bad effort without the ball. Rarely plays defense. Mediocre rebounder. A mediocre passer. Bad floor general. Doesn't make his teammates better. A guy who only cares about his own numbers. Selfish player. Then all the crap / weird stuff in the interviews. Earth is flat crap. Like a child wanting attention. His game doesn't appeal to me and his personality doesn't appeal to me.
He is the luckiest guy ever to luck his way onto LeBron's team and then Ainge's titan of a team. If not for those two guys, Kyrie would still be struggling to make the playoffs.
I question a lot of this assessment.
Bad movement off-ball? I thought he worked handoffs and backdoors pretty well with Horford and Baynes last year.
Mediocre Rebounder? He's a point guard. Our team rebounding was pretty high level with him on the court. I don't need him stealing rebounds from other players to boost his own stats.
Barely plays defense? Yes and no. Almost every elite guard playmaker focuses their energy on offense (Harden, Westbrook, James, Lillard, DeRozan, Walker, Curry). What I like about Irving is that he can lock-in on defense and make importance crunch-time defensive plays. The Houston game in Boston last year turned on multiple defensive plays by Irving in the 2nd. He had multiple key stands against Curry in the finals the year the Cavs won it.
Mediocre passer? He isn't Paul, but then again, Paul can't score like Irving can. Only Harden, James, and Westbrook scored as many points and dished out as many assists per36 as Irving did last year.
Bad floor general? Doesn't make teammates better? I thought Tatum and Brown both showed confidence and development early in the year in large part because of Irving's confidence in them and the way he set them up.
Selfish? I've never seen that. In fact, I would rather he shot more. At times, he takes one too many dribbles, but I always had a sense that he picks his spots and sets up other guys early in the game to get them involved.
If you don't like his personality, that's fine, but don't let that color who he is as a basketball player.
Thank you. TP
I love CJ. He is a smart dude and a big-time player.
I could even agree that he is 95% of Kyrie, but that top 5% is basically unreachable for others. That is the difference of being a great scorer and being unguardable.
Kyrie is Ronaldinho and CJ is Franck Ribery.
Edit: It is interesting how some fans still find scoring point guards as damaged goods.
Considering you can't win big without one.
Curry - scoring PG (3 titles in 4 years)
Kyrie - scoring PG (1 title in 4)
Harden - scoring PG (couple of WCF, MVP)
IT - scoring PG (hearts of the fans)
Include de facto PGs such as LBJ and Giannis etc. in and it is clear that in this era you need ballhandlers that can score in bunches.
I just don't see Rubio and Dunn as players that will put you over the top.
I have seen Curry and Kyrie do it.
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I like it. CJ McCollum gives you 95% of what Kyrie does and is actually likeable (unlike Kyrie).
McCollum could certainly play PG in this system. The PG gets loads of help from the rest of the players in this system.
Out of curiosity, what do you find unlikable about Kyrie?
Scoring PG. Bad effort without the ball. Rarely plays defense. Mediocre rebounder. A mediocre passer. Bad floor general. Doesn't make his teammates better. A guy who only cares about his own numbers. Selfish player. Then all the crap / weird stuff in the interviews. Earth is flat crap. Like a child wanting attention. His game doesn't appeal to me and his personality doesn't appeal to me.
He is the luckiest guy ever to luck his way onto LeBron's team and then Ainge's titan of a team. If not for those two guys, Kyrie would still be struggling to make the playoffs.
So easy to refute all this crap but someone else already destroyed this guy so I'm just gonna add 1 thing. If Kyrie didn't make his teammates better, why the heck did Al register lesser attempts from three without Kyrie than with him? Guys get open a lot more because of the pressure Kyrie draws. Oh, and didn't Tatum himself acknowledge Kyrie as one of the guys who helped him the most on the team (other being Morris). I guess you know better than Tatum right?
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I don't agree with Who, I think we are lucky to have Kyrie. Having said this, he is p consistent on his opinions, iirc he criticized IT too for being a shoot first PG.