Celtics - Atlanta trade idea

[shut_the_gate]

There’s a report that Celtics, T-Wolves and Pelican are attempting to trade for Atlanta’s 6th pick.

So this could become a reality in the next few days.

[PhoSita]

As always I deeply hate every trade suggestion that involves Smart.

[Uncle_Stingfinger]

if the guy they want is there at 6,  i love it.  smart needs to go.  great dude,  but there is something off with him and tatum.   he's almost too alpha for our team of younger stars.  he thinks he's the leader and he just doesn't have the talent to be the leader of an nba team.

[Csfan1984]

That probably isn't Hawks motivation, nor any team's given what is at stake the next year. They either want Smart and Hayward for their pick (with other decent players) or they expect trade to be Hayward and 14 for their pick and Dedmon so it's a trade down that makes them better. The goal is make a playoff push, showing you are a franchise to join while you retain cap space for the Giannis sweepstakes and the rights to still sign Hayward. No team should be looking at signing Hayward long term when there is a chance at signing Giannis next year.

Setting aside the improbability or Atlanta signing Giannis (they'd be like 7th on his list and they likely know it), the Hawks have more than enough cap room slated for next summer to sign a player this year to a deal paying 20-odd-million and still have max room (meanwhile Hayward's cap hold next summer is $43 million if he opts in this year). The one thing they certainly shouldn't do is light a top-ten pick on fire to rent a guy for a year that they intend to let walk in hopes of hitting on a longshot.

If you factor expected signings this year of FAs, picks, the Collins' extension, the salary bumps year to year of their high picks, and the reduced salary cap you likely can't give Hayward 20 million and have space for a max.

And again if they are getting multiple picks in a trade down during a flat draft while adding talent with flexibility it's not giving anything away lightly it's going for it and staying responsible.

[bogg]

If you factor expected signings this year of FAs, picks, the Collins' extension, the salary bumps year to year of their high picks, and the reduced salary cap you likely can't give Hayward 20 million and have space for a max.

And again if they are getting multiple picks in a trade down during a flat draft while adding talent with flexibility it's not giving anything away lightly it's going for it and staying responsible.

Atlanta's currently slated to have only Capela's $17 million and some rookie contracts on the books in summer 21. They can absolutely give out a $20 million/year contract next weekend and still have the ability to make max space in the summer.

[Csfan1984]

If you factor expected signings this year of FAs, picks, the Collins' extension, the salary bumps year to year of their high picks, and the reduced salary cap you likely can't give Hayward 20 million and have space for a max.

And again if they are getting multiple picks in a trade down during a flat draft while adding talent with flexibility it's not giving anything away lightly it's going for it and staying responsible.

Atlanta's currently slated to have only Capela's $17 million and some rookie contracts on the books in summer 21. They can absolutely give out a $20 million/year contract next weekend and still have the ability to make max space in the summer.

They have 58 million without signing anyone this year or Collins ext.

They need a wing, guard and pf backup. Then who ever they draft.

That's 15 to 30 million in players
22 to 25 millon per just for Collins.

They can't also sign Hayward if they want Giannis or another max player.

That's why trading on the one year makes sense not actually signing him even at 20 million per.

[bogg]

If you factor expected signings this year of FAs, picks, the Collins' extension, the salary bumps year to year of their high picks, and the reduced salary cap you likely can't give Hayward 20 million and have space for a max.

And again if they are getting multiple picks in a trade down during a flat draft while adding talent with flexibility it's not giving anything away lightly it's going for it and staying responsible.

Atlanta's currently slated to have only Capela's $17 million and some rookie contracts on the books in summer 21. They can absolutely give out a $20 million/year contract next weekend and still have the ability to make max space in the summer.

They have 58 million without signing anyone this year or Collins ext.

They need a wing, guard and pf backup. Then who ever they draft.

That's 15 to 30 million in players
22 to 25 millon per just for Collins.

They can't also sign Hayward if they want Giannis or another max player.

That's why trading on the one year makes sense not actually signing him even at 20 million per.

They've got about $45 million committed, Dedmon's money is non-guaranteed that year. They'd be in nearly the same position Boston was last summer when they signed Kemba despite having Hayward on a max deal and Smart making in the teens, plus other guys on rookie deals.

They're not lighting a top-ten pick on fire with the plan to be to let the guy they traded for walk in a year. Actually drafting someone who'll be around does more to attract Giannis than a trade-and-walk would.

Which is all beside the point, because Atlanta isn't signing Giannis.

[Csfan1984]

If you factor expected signings this year of FAs, picks, the Collins' extension, the salary bumps year to year of their high picks, and the reduced salary cap you likely can't give Hayward 20 million and have space for a max.

And again if they are getting multiple picks in a trade down during a flat draft while adding talent with flexibility it's not giving anything away lightly it's going for it and staying responsible.

Atlanta's currently slated to have only Capela's $17 million and some rookie contracts on the books in summer 21. They can absolutely give out a $20 million/year contract next weekend and still have the ability to make max space in the summer.

They have 58 million without signing anyone this year or Collins ext.

They need a wing, guard and pf backup. Then who ever they draft.

That's 15 to 30 million in players
22 to 25 millon per just for Collins.

They can't also sign Hayward if they want Giannis or another max player.

That's why trading on the one year makes sense not actually signing him even at 20 million per.

They've got about $45 million committed, Dedmon's money is non-guaranteed that year. They'd be in nearly the same position Boston was last summer when they signed Kemba despite having Hayward on a max deal and Smart making in the teens, plus other guys on rookie deals.

They're not lighting a top-ten pick on fire with the plan to be to let the guy they traded for walk in a year. Actually drafting someone who'll be around does more to attract Giannis than a trade-and-walk would.

Which is all beside the point, because Atlanta isn't signing Giannis.

Again I gave you the numbers it doesnt add up. And at 13 million why would you not keep Dedmon or deal him? You also have to factor roster charge if you don't have the min players. As I said you can't afford Hayward and a max when you add all the expected salaries and a lower cap. Are you going bank on Hayward or a max player? Also you keep talking like they are only getting Hayward are they not also getting picks? It's a trade down and Hayward, not just Hayward. It's not the 6th pick for Hayward on a one year it's Hayward +. I don't think one person has said Hayward on a one year for the six pick so don't call it as that. Hawks would be getting more. Also compare 6 vs 14 in this draft that's not a big difference talent.

[bogg]

Again I gave you the numbers it doesnt add up.

The numbers are that Atlanta's on the books for about 19 million for Capela, about 8.3 for Trae Young, and roughly 16.7 million split across Reddish/Huerter/Hunter, Bruno Fernando basically makes minimum money (all very movable), and that's it. That's $45ish million against a $112 million cap. Assume $6 million for this year's #6 pick and cap holds and you're in the mid-to-high-50s. If they didn't make any additional signings past the coming year, they'd have around $60 million, maybe a little less, to play with that summer, before you get into giving away Hunter for cap space because you have a handshake agreement with an MVP. That gets you to one $20 million contract and one max contract just fine.

That's all ignoring, again, that Giannis isn't signing in Atlanta. For that matter, Hayward hasn't shown any interest in going there either, and the Atlanta front office isn't flipping that pick for a one-year rental if they're any good at their jobs.

[Csfan1984]

Again I gave you the numbers it doesnt add up.

The numbers are that Atlanta's on the books for about 19 million for Capela, about 8.3 for Trae Young, and roughly 16.7 million split across Reddish/Huerter/Hunter, Bruno Fernando basically makes minimum money (all very movable), and that's it. That's $45ish million against a $112 million cap. Assume $6 million for this year's #6 pick and cap holds and you're in the mid-to-high-50s. If they didn't make any additional signings past the coming year, they'd have around $60 million, maybe a little less, to play with that summer, before you get into giving away Hunter for cap space because you have a handshake agreement with an MVP. That gets you to one $20 million contract and one max contract just fine.

That's all ignoring, again, that Giannis isn't signing in Atlanta. For that matter, Hayward hasn't shown any interest in going there either, and the Atlanta front office isn't flipping that pick for a one-year rental if they're any good at their jobs.

Again you have them dumping Dedmon for nothing, you didn't add Collins ext, and now signing no one past this year. That is as far more unlikely to happen. What three players are they going to sign on one year deals that are going to help make a playoff push? I can tell you no one. Every FA wants mutiple seasons unless you over pay twice over. And if you over pay you won't have three players probably just one. Again the numbers don't add up.

 You also keep ignoring that it's not just Hayward for the pick.

[bogg]

Again you have them dumping Dedmon for nothing, you didn't add Collins ext, and now signing no one past this year.

The $12.3 million in non-guaranteed money on Dedmon's deal that year is certain to be declined, because the actual market for a 32-year-old Dedmon in a COVID economy is less than a third of that. That's true regardless of what the Hawks do.

Beyond that, the idea that the Hawks are going to operate their franchise around the idea of a 1% longshot paying off was your idea, not mine. If that's true (which it isn't, because Atlanta isn't signing Giannis) then they can let Collins hit RFA just fine and hold only his $12 million cap hold on the books rather than a much bigger actual salary and then sign him after using their cap space (or, if you're getting Giannis, just let him walk). Beyond that, I agree with you that free agents are going to want deals longer than one year. It's why they aren't going to operate around maximizing cap space next summer.