Celtics - Atlanta trade idea

[SteveD]

Smart for Collins makes so much sense for both teams.

This trade is invalid financially, unfortunately.

Normally yes, but the Hawks would have sufficient cap space to absorb a larger salary.

The trade fails on ESPN trade machine. Is that a mistake ?

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Smart for Collins makes so much sense for both teams.

This trade is invalid financially, unfortunately.

Normally yes, but the Hawks would have sufficient cap space to absorb a larger salary.

The trade fails on ESPN trade machine. Is that a mistake ?

I'm sure the trade machine is not updated with new rosters and salaries. That would have been invalid last season, which is what the trade machine still is showing.

[bogg]

If you're trading Smart you need to have already negotiated a workable new contract with Hayward. Smart's likelier to be the guy that Boston can keep on a new deal for a lower price, and he's four years younger.

[gouki88]

I would only consider doing this if:

1) Wiseman, Okongwu or Avdija were there

and

2) we didn't give up #26/#30.

I think Huerter is a pretty darn good player. Having to play alongside Trae Young makes his defence look worse than it is in my opinion. But he's a sniper from 3 and has a good playmaking base for someone his age.

[jambr380]

If you're trading Smart you need to have already negotiated a workable new contract with Hayward. Smart's likelier to be the guy that Boston can keep on a new deal for a lower price, and he's four years younger.

You are right about this. We'd only be trading Smart because his value will probably never be higher than it is right now, not because he's a bad player or doesn't fit in. With Hayward, you'd need to try to get him at a manageable number (definitely not higher than 4yrs/$90M...and I prefer $80M lol).

I'm not sure what is really out there - Collins is certainly interesting - but I'd imagine a lot more teams would have interest in Smart than they would in Hayward based on age, salary and years left on contract.

[Csfan1984]

Hawks would need more to try to make the playoffs, think it's more like

Smart, Hayward, with picks 26 and 47
for
Capela, Hunter and pick 6.

Hawks then have
Young/Teague
Smart/Huerter
Hayward/Reddish
Collins/Jones
Dedmon/Fernando

Feel that team makes the playoffs.


C's
Walker/Kira Lewis(14)/Waters
Brown/Langford/Edwards
Tatum/Hunter/Semi
Toppin (6)/GW/Perry(30)
Capela/Theis/RW

[bogg]

If we're being honest, in the event Hayward is one of Atlanta's targets they're likely just keeping their draft pick and signing him outright. A real Hayward to Atlanta trade is probably more like Hayward and a draft pick or two to Atlanta with nothing but a fake second rounder coming back to Boston so that they can create a TPE.

[Csfan1984]

If we're being honest, in the event Hayward is one of Atlanta's targets they're likely just keeping their draft pick and signing him outright. A real Hayward to Atlanta trade is probably more like Hayward and a draft pick or two to Atlanta with nothing but a fake second rounder coming back to Boston so that they can create a TPE.

Problem is there might be three teams with the cap to absorb Hayward and every team with cap space probably still wants flexability to roll it. So there should be a high demand if you want to deal Hayward. It will take more than a TPE to get Hayward.

[bogg]

Problem is there might be three teams with the cap to absorb Hayward and every team with cap space probably still wants flexability to roll it. So there should be a high demand if you want to deal Hayward. It will take more than a TPE to get Hayward.

If Atlanta's front office is even halfway-competent and wants Hayward badly enough to move a top-ten pick, then they're currently on the phone with Hayward's agent negotiating a new contract and Hayward opts out, leaving Boston nothing to trade. You'd be giving Atlanta a pick just for the favor of allowing you to turn it into a sign-and-trade, preserving a TPE. We went through this last year with Horford when he walked for nothing after opting out of what was generally looked at as an above-market-rate final year because he knew he had a $100 million deal waiting for him on the market.

[Csfan1984]

Problem is there might be three teams with the cap to absorb Hayward and every team with cap space probably still wants flexability to roll it. So there should be a high demand if you want to deal Hayward. It will take more than a TPE to get Hayward.

If Atlanta's front office is even halfway-competent and wants Hayward badly enough to move a top-ten pick, then they're currently on the phone with Hayward's agent negotiating a new contract and Hayward opts out, leaving Boston nothing to trade. You'd be giving Atlanta a pick just for the favor of allowing you to turn it into a sign-and-trade, preserving a TPE. We went through this last year with Horford when he walked for nothing after opting out of what was generally looked at as an above-market-rate final year because he knew he had a $100 million deal waiting for him on the market.

That probably isn't Hawks motivation, nor any team's given what is at stake the next year. They either want Smart and Hayward for their pick (with other decent players) or they expect trade to be Hayward and 14 for their pick and Dedmon so it's a trade down that makes them better. The goal is make a playoff push, showing you are a franchise to join while you retain cap space for the Giannis sweepstakes and the rights to still sign Hayward. No team should be looking at signing Hayward long term when there is a chance at signing Giannis next year.

[RodyTur10]

Problem is there might be three teams with the cap to absorb Hayward and every team with cap space probably still wants flexability to roll it. So there should be a high demand if you want to deal Hayward. It will take more than a TPE to get Hayward.

If Atlanta's front office is even halfway-competent and wants Hayward badly enough to move a top-ten pick, then they're currently on the phone with Hayward's agent negotiating a new contract and Hayward opts out, leaving Boston nothing to trade. You'd be giving Atlanta a pick just for the favor of allowing you to turn it into a sign-and-trade, preserving a TPE. We went through this last year with Horford when he walked for nothing after opting out of what was generally looked at as an above-market-rate final year because he knew he had a $100 million deal waiting for him on the market.

That probably isn't Hawks motivation, nor any team's given what is at stake the next year. They either want Smart and Hayward for their pick (with other decent players) or they expect trade to be Hayward and 14 for their pick and Dedmon so it's a trade down that makes them better. The goal is make a playoff push, showing you are a franchise to join while you retain cap space for the Giannis sweepstakes and the rights to still sign Hayward. No team should be looking at signing Hayward long term when there is a chance at signing Giannis next year.

I don't think Atlanta has any hopes of signing Antetokounmpo.

[Csfan1984]

Problem is there might be three teams with the cap to absorb Hayward and every team with cap space probably still wants flexability to roll it. So there should be a high demand if you want to deal Hayward. It will take more than a TPE to get Hayward.

If Atlanta's front office is even halfway-competent and wants Hayward badly enough to move a top-ten pick, then they're currently on the phone with Hayward's agent negotiating a new contract and Hayward opts out, leaving Boston nothing to trade. You'd be giving Atlanta a pick just for the favor of allowing you to turn it into a sign-and-trade, preserving a TPE. We went through this last year with Horford when he walked for nothing after opting out of what was generally looked at as an above-market-rate final year because he knew he had a $100 million deal waiting for him on the market.

That probably isn't Hawks motivation, nor any team's given what is at stake the next year. They either want Smart and Hayward for their pick (with other decent players) or they expect trade to be Hayward and 14 for their pick and Dedmon so it's a trade down that makes them better. The goal is make a playoff push, showing you are a franchise to join while you retain cap space for the Giannis sweepstakes and the rights to still sign Hayward. No team should be looking at signing Hayward long term when there is a chance at signing Giannis next year.

I don't think Atlanta has any hopes of signing Antetokounmpo.

Right now I agree but everyone there and their fans feel if the make a push there can be a chance. Similar to how C's made a push and FAs started to hear the team out.

[Vermont Green]

Smart for Collins makes so much sense for both teams.

This trade is invalid financially, unfortunately.

Normally yes, but the Hawks would have sufficient cap space to absorb a larger salary.

The trade fails on ESPN trade machine. Is that a mistake ?

Try the TradeNBA Trade Machine (https://tradenba.com/trade-machine) .  It lets you pick the season that the trade will happen in.  In this case, set the trade to happen in 2020-21 and it works.

https://tradenba.com/trades/HaDISYSM9

[Sophomore]

Smart for Collins makes so much sense for both teams.

This trade is invalid financially, unfortunately.

Normally yes, but the Hawks would have sufficient cap space to absorb a larger salary.

The trade fails on ESPN trade machine. Is that a mistake ?

Try the TradeNBA Trade Machine (https://tradenba.com/trade-machine) .  It lets you pick the season that the trade will happen in.  In this case, set the trade to happen in 2020-21 and it works.

https://tradenba.com/trades/HaDISYSM9

Some of the trade machines have been wonky this offseason, probably because they were waiting for cap numbers from the league. Not sure if this one has caught up yet.

That said, I can’t see a reason this trade doesn’t work, given the Hawks’ cap room.

[bogg]

That probably isn't Hawks motivation, nor any team's given what is at stake the next year. They either want Smart and Hayward for their pick (with other decent players) or they expect trade to be Hayward and 14 for their pick and Dedmon so it's a trade down that makes them better. The goal is make a playoff push, showing you are a franchise to join while you retain cap space for the Giannis sweepstakes and the rights to still sign Hayward. No team should be looking at signing Hayward long term when there is a chance at signing Giannis next year.

Setting aside the improbability or Atlanta signing Giannis (they'd be like 7th on his list and they likely know it), the Hawks have more than enough cap room slated for next summer to sign a player this year to a deal paying 20-odd-million and still have max room (meanwhile Hayward's cap hold next summer is $43 million if he opts in this year). The one thing they certainly shouldn't do is light a top-ten pick on fire to rent a guy for a year that they intend to let walk in hopes of hitting on a longshot.