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Title: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
Not going to lie, but I'm actually feeling oddly confident about our chances in Game 6.  :o

My gut feeling says we win a close affair tomorrow night, winning by 6-8 points. And my gut feeling thought we'd win last night, and it also thought Houston would win Game 4 in a thriller despite the odds heavily stacked against them at Oracle Arena.

And even after going up 2-0 in this series, I honestly thought Cleveland would win Game 3 by double digits at home (with role players doing better), and then after Game 3, even the optimist in me felt like while the game would be closer, Cleveland would probably still win Game 4 by 8-12 points with Lebron going off (and it happened).

But here's the thing. Between Game 2 and 3, both teams had 3 whole days off between games, so the Cavaliers got some good rest and came out rejuvenated in Game 3 (as well as Game 4). However, there's only a day off between games from here on out, and that's an advantage for our youth going up against the "old" Cavaliers.

And now we hear Lebron may be fatigued. He certainly looked like it for most of the 2nd half last night. Remember when he sat out like a minute very late in the 2nd quarter? How often does he do that? Usually he sits the end of the 1st/early 2nd and again late 3rd/early 4th. But Lebron had to sit out like a minute late in the 2nd because he was tired. Whoa. Cavaliers were down like 11-13 points and it was a crucial final 2 minutes of the first half coming up, and Lebron had to sit.

Yes folks, he's fatigued. In the 2nd half, most of his stepback 3s and fadeaway 2s which we've seen Lebron make in his sleep over the years were rimming out or falling short (hitting front rim). He was aggressive to start the 3rd, bodying up on guys and driving into the paint, but I don't think we saw much of that in the final 4 minutes of the 3rd, and the entire 4th.

It's an interesting wrinkle added to this series. This may be our best shot to steal one at the Q. Now that's not to say we're guaranteed to win tomorrow night. Not at all. We still have to play smarter on the road and have to start off well (or at least not fall behind by 10+ in the first quarter).

But if we make Lebron work for everything again and essentially force him to try and play 40+ minutes, we got him! Lebron may put up his great numbers and will start off looking energetic, but by 20-25 minutes, he'll probably get fatigued again so long as we play physical with him and make him work for everything.

Then it's up to the role players for CLE to take over, and while I think they'll do a lot better again at home, it may not be enough if Lebron isn't as aggressive and looks tired by the 2nd half.

It's a "new series" again, and lets forget about Games 3 and 4. Come out strong, play better, convert the easy bunnies we've missed a ton of the last two games, and we can close this out for good tomorrow night!  ;D 8)
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: JHTruth on May 24, 2018, 10:35:24 AM
I don't know why people would be surprised if LeBron was finally starting to break down. No one has played more minutes over the last decade. And has more on his shoulders. It was going to happen at some point.

Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
I don't know why people would be surprised if LeBron was finally starting to break down. No one has played more minutes over the last decade. And has more on his shoulders. It was going to happen at some point.

Yeah, like as much as I despise him, I do respect his work ethic and he's no doubt the best player in the NBA today. But it certainly looks like the heavy workload is catching up to him. It also must be demoralizing to him mentally seeing his teammates brick a bunch of open looks lol. Psychologically, this may be Lebron's toughest series in the Eastern Conference in a long time. And that's against a team missing two all-stars and a great bench player (Theis).

Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Moranis on May 24, 2018, 10:39:14 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem. 
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: ederson on May 24, 2018, 10:43:08 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.

and 6TO and lots of misses most of them at the last 8mins
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: green_bballers13 on May 24, 2018, 10:44:04 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.

100%. Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson are paid like top tier players, but they are not. They are in the Marcus Morris, not Anthony Davis, grouping. JR Smith and Ty Lue stink. Korver is what he is. George Hill, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Clarkson are meh players. The Cavs are just not that good.

Everyone wants to pin this on Lebron. He needs a better team, and I imagine that will be coming soon after the Cavs begin golf season.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 10:44:51 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.

When did I ever say Lebron was the problem?? I never explicitly said Lebron lost them the game last night, I just said he looks fatigued out there and we now have an opening...  ???

Now if you're referring to me saying his shots weren't falling as consistently in the 2nd half... well yeah that was true for the most part. It's BECAUSE he looked fatigued. Again, that's my point, not "Lebron lost them Game 5"
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on May 24, 2018, 10:45:57 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.

Agreed, but that is relative. The truth is, Lebron needs to score 40 and get triple doubles to help his team win. He has done this time and time again this playoffs, but couldn't this game.

That said, it is unreasonable to ask a player to shoulder that much burden. They need a player like Irving.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: JHTruth on May 24, 2018, 10:47:36 AM
I don't know why people would be surprised if LeBron was finally starting to break down. No one has played more minutes over the last decade. And has more on his shoulders. It was going to happen at some point.

Yeah, like as much as I despise him, I do respect his work ethic and he's no doubt the best player in the NBA today. But it certainly looks like the heavy workload is catching up to him. It also must be demoralizing to him mentally seeing his teammates brick a bunch of open looks lol. Psychologically, this may be Lebron's toughest series in the Eastern Conference in a long time. And that's against a team missing two all-stars and a great bench player (Theis).

That and he has to know even if they come back and beat the Cs in this series, the Finals are a lost cause. The Celtics can get creamed in the Finals and say, well we'll be back next year. LeBron probably can't..
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: gouki88 on May 24, 2018, 10:50:37 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.
Again you’re missing the point. Nobody is saying that he’s the reason they lost. Poor coaching and awful starters (Hill, JR and Thompson) were key reasons. But LeBron has never looked like this before, and wasn’t nearly the frightening presence at the end of the game that he usually is.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 10:59:16 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.
Again you’re missing the point. Nobody is saying that he’s the reason they lost. Poor coaching and awful starters (Hill, JR and Thompson) were key reasons. But LeBron has never looked like this before, and wasn’t nearly the frightening presence at the end of the game that he usually is.

TP. Exactly.  ;D
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: trickybilly on May 24, 2018, 11:06:52 AM
I think the CBS write up nailed it when they said he realised with about 6 minutes to go, it just wasn't gonna be their night.

LeBron will be a beast in this(e) last game(s).

I think we might collectively be an even bigger beast though...
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: hpantazo on May 24, 2018, 11:09:30 AM
I think the CBS write up nailed it when they said he realised with about 6 minutes to go, it just wasn't gonna be their night.

LeBron will be a beast in this(e) last game(s).

I think we might collectively be an even bigger beast though...

Our guys can smell it and taste it now, and they are hungrier, having never been to the Finals. They are going to come out full force to get this Finals trip.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 11:10:16 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.

100%. Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson are paid like top tier players, but they are not. They are in the Marcus Morris, not Anthony Davis, grouping. JR Smith and Ty Lue stink. Korver is what he is. George Hill, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Clarkson are meh players. The Cavs are just not that good.

Everyone wants to pin this on Lebron. He needs a better team, and I imagine that will be coming soon after the Cavs begin golf season.

needs a better team? he has played on stacked heat and cavs teams for years! no sympathy from me. he is a huge arch enemy.  better team? BWAHAHAHA. not a single care given. the pain he has caused us? FINISH HIM FRIDAY IN HIS BARN!
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Fafnir on May 24, 2018, 11:11:02 AM
Its the same thing with Embiid, he was the 76ers best player but still got fatigued.

Embiid wasn't the problem, the problem was they were asking too much from Embiid. They needed him to fight for post position 20+ times, anchor their defense, run out on Horford/Baynes pick and pops, and contain perimeter players on switches.

LBJ is amazing but he's 33 and at 33 you cannot go full out like you can at 28, that's all we are seeing now.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 11:14:57 AM
Its the same thing with Embiid, he was the 76ers best player but still got fatigued.

Embiid wasn't the problem, the problem was they were asking too much from Embiid. They needed him to fight for post position 20+ times, anchor their defense, run out on Horford/Baynes pick and pops, and contain perimeter players on switches.

LBJ is amazing but he's 33 and at 33 you cannot go full out like you can at 28, that's all we are seeing now.

yeah if we keep making lebron work hard at both ends it will pay off in spades for us
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Androslav on May 24, 2018, 11:17:13 AM
I heard LeBron smoked a pack of cigarettes before the game. It will be interesting to see how will he prepare for the G6. Something to monitor.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: droopdog7 on May 24, 2018, 11:20:00 AM
What we are seeing here (and not just last night) is chinks in Lebron's armor.  He's human, after all.  He'll continue to be a very good player for at least a few more years but the train has reached the summit and is coming down the other side.

Indeed, my prediction is that next year Lebron will suffer a major injury for the first time.  Then it will be obvious.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: smokeablount on May 24, 2018, 11:21:13 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.

100%. Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson are paid like top tier players, but they are not. They are in the Marcus Morris, not Anthony Davis, grouping. JR Smith and Ty Lue stink. Korver is what he is. George Hill, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Clarkson are meh players. The Cavs are just not that good.

Everyone wants to pin this on Lebron. He needs a better team, and I imagine that will be coming soon after the Cavs begin golf season.

needs a better team? he has played on stacked heat and cavs teams for years! no sympathy from me. he is a huge arch enemy.  better team? BWAHAHAHA. not a single care given. the pain he has caused us? FINISH HIM FRIDAY IN HIS BARN!

Lol ‘finish him Friday in his barn’
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Fafnir on May 24, 2018, 11:22:15 AM
What is seeing here (and not just last night) is chinks in Lebron's armor.  He's human, after all.  He'll continue to be a very good player for at least a few more years but the train has reached the summit and is coming down the other side.

Indeed, my prediction is that next year Lebron will suffer a major injury for the first time.  Then it will be obvious.
I think he's hit the point where the optimal usage of his abilities would be to get his minutes cut down to like 32 and try and channel more energy into the minutes he's on the floor. Go back to being more of defensive menace with a reduced minutes and creation work load.

Of course he'd need to go to a team with more talent around him to do that.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: moiso on May 24, 2018, 11:23:37 AM
I don't know why people would be surprised if LeBron was finally starting to break down. No one has played more minutes over the last decade. And has more on his shoulders. It was going to happen at some point.
Since when is being fatigued the same thing as breaking down?  He's not breaking down at all.  The guy got tired!
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: TomHeinsohn on May 24, 2018, 11:24:48 AM
I'm not sure what it was, but did anybody else notice a sort of discoloration on LeBron's face last night? It was sort of outlining his face on his skull, and definitely hasn't always been there. I'm sure it was related to physical stress.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: GreenCoffeeBean on May 24, 2018, 11:26:30 AM
This series would be a sweep or at least over last night if there wasn't nearly 4 full days of rest between Game 2 and 3.

This series ends on Friday.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: JHTruth on May 24, 2018, 11:27:34 AM
I don't know why people would be surprised if LeBron was finally starting to break down. No one has played more minutes over the last decade. And has more on his shoulders. It was going to happen at some point.
Since when is being fatigued the same thing as breaking down?  He's not breaking down at all.  The guy got tired!

Fatigue is the first phase of "breaking" down. I train boxers and the first thing to go is always the legs when a fighter starts to get old. They just can't go as long and their recovery time starts to extend..
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: moiso on May 24, 2018, 11:34:21 AM
I don't know why people would be surprised if LeBron was finally starting to break down. No one has played more minutes over the last decade. And has more on his shoulders. It was going to happen at some point.
Since when is being fatigued the same thing as breaking down?  He's not breaking down at all.  The guy got tired!

Fatigue is the first phase of "breaking" down. I train boxers and the first thing to go is always the legs when a fighter starts to get old. They just can't go as long and their recovery time starts to extend..
Endurance athletes in their early 20's hit the wall and have to drop out of races all the time.  They aren't breaking down.

Lebron was amazing the entire season and the entire series.  He got tired in one game.  Hopefully it continues, but it doesn't mean he's breaking down.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Fafnir on May 24, 2018, 11:36:04 AM
Exactly right JHTruth.

Also all the recent research on injury has indicated that when you are fatigued the risk of a hamstring pull, Achilles tear, knee strain, etc. all goes up massively. That's why NBA teams are investing so much in rest and body monitoring technology. They are trying to reduce that injury risk.

Its pretty cool how they have sensors and other measurements that can detect fatigue early now a days.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: PhoSita on May 24, 2018, 11:56:40 AM
26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.

That's where we are at with LeBron now -- if he has a merely "very good" game (setting aside the turnovers, which were not good), it feels like he had a "bad" game and his team seems to have no chance.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: PhoSita on May 24, 2018, 11:57:49 AM
If some of the Cavs supporting players hit shots and the Celts struggle to shoot from outside, that could go a long way to "energizing" LeBron, though.

I'm at a point where I don't have much confidence in the Celts to win any road game but I also feel like they'll be in position to win any game they play at home.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: keevsnick on May 24, 2018, 12:03:09 PM
I think alot more depends on how the CAVs role players ply and how our young guys shoot. The CAVs role players play so much better at home, and our guys so much worse on the road that even if Lebron has a pedestrian performance (by his standards) we are still and should be massive underdogs. But hey, at some pint you would think our young guys would learn how to play better on the road. Of course its not just the young guys, Horford was awful in Cleveland. Going big with baynes if they do too should help.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: celticinorlando on May 24, 2018, 12:03:51 PM
-Agree that the 3 days off saved the Cavs from a 5 game exit.

-Do not believe that LBJ is tired. He will come out in game 6 full force. Game 7 is the place I can see him wearing out.

-I do think Boston can win tomorrow. Cavs are mentally weak and Lue is out of options. No more real moves to make

-Game six will either be a Boston win with the Cavs quitting or LBJ carrying them one more time to a close victory. This will be a close game IMO. But the Cavs are ripe for the picking. Boston just needs to play good defense and make/take good shots.

I think James knows his dominance in the East it now coming to an end. He looks very stoic. Cleveland is not going to win 25 games next year and James...to me knows he cannot win there anymore.

If you can't beat Boston without Kyrie and Hayward...then you stand no chance next year with this
Cavs team.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boris Badenov on May 24, 2018, 12:05:43 PM
If some of the Cavs supporting players hit shots and the Celts struggle to shoot from outside, that could go a long way to "energizing" LeBron, though.

I'm at a point where I don't have much confidence in the Celts to win any road game but I also feel like they'll be in position to win any game they play at home.

I feel like Lebron intentionally steps back some times, and lets the other guys shoot and try to make plays for a few minutes. If they blow it, he then decides whether to (a) win the game by himself, or (b) take it easy, get the L and try again next game.

If he does this in a game like last night, when they are within 9 or so, either the other guys get it down to 5-6 points and Lebron takes over, or they let it go up to 15 and he cashes out. Last night was situation #2.

He's very strategic about all of this IMO, so he can time his effort to have the maximum effect.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: jay on May 24, 2018, 12:07:46 PM
It seems like they managed our minutes pretty good despite playing just 7 guys, only the young guy Tatum played heavy minutes.

I kind of thought it would be interesting to see Ojeleye get a start, then bring in Smart, Morris, and Baynes all of the bench together. Help keep Morris fresh and from foul trouble and let Ojeleye guard LeBron at the beginning of the game. LeBron is probably going to come out with a full head of steam so let Ojeleye pick up those two early fouls and not Morris.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: hpantazo on May 24, 2018, 12:18:59 PM
If some of the Cavs supporting players hit shots and the Celts struggle to shoot from outside, that could go a long way to "energizing" LeBron, though.

I'm at a point where I don't have much confidence in the Celts to win any road game but I also feel like they'll be in position to win any game they play at home.

I feel like Lebron intentionally steps back some times, and lets the other guys shoot and try to make plays for a few minutes. If they blow it, he then decides whether to (a) win the game by himself, or (b) take it easy, get the L and try again next game.

If he does this in a game like last night, when they are within 9 or so, either the other guys get it down to 5-6 points and Lebron takes over, or they let it go up to 15 and he cashes out. Last night was situation #2.

He's very strategic about all of this IMO, so he can time his effort to have the maximum effect.


There was nothing intentional about it, he was gassed. There was not much left in the tank to take over last night.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: mef730 on May 24, 2018, 12:20:47 PM
I hope he's fatigued, but I'm not there yet. Over the past I-can't-even-count-how-many years, the best way to determine who would win the east was to look at the rosters and see who had LeBron. Yes, he's a year older and yes, his team is not particularly good, but that guy still scares the hell out of me.

Mike
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 12:48:08 PM
I hope he's fatigued, but I'm not there yet. Over the past I-can't-even-count-how-many years, the best way to determine who would win the east was to look at the rosters and see who had LeBron. Yes, he's a year older and yes, his team is not particularly good, but that guy still scares the hell out of me.

Mike

Yeah, the Lebron Effect as we call it lol.  :P
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: PhoSita on May 24, 2018, 01:06:31 PM
If some of the Cavs supporting players hit shots and the Celts struggle to shoot from outside, that could go a long way to "energizing" LeBron, though.

I'm at a point where I don't have much confidence in the Celts to win any road game but I also feel like they'll be in position to win any game they play at home.

I feel like Lebron intentionally steps back some times, and lets the other guys shoot and try to make plays for a few minutes. If they blow it, he then decides whether to (a) win the game by himself, or (b) take it easy, get the L and try again next game.

If he does this in a game like last night, when they are within 9 or so, either the other guys get it down to 5-6 points and Lebron takes over, or they let it go up to 15 and he cashes out. Last night was situation #2.

He's very strategic about all of this IMO, so he can time his effort to have the maximum effect.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 01:17:08 PM
-Agree that the 3 days off saved the Cavs from a 5 game exit.

-Do not believe that LBJ is tired. He will come out in game 6 full force. Game 7 is the place I can see him wearing out.

-I do think Boston can win tomorrow. Cavs are mentally weak and Lue is out of options. No more real moves to make

-Game six will either be a Boston win with the Cavs quitting or LBJ carrying them one more time to a close victory. This will be a close game IMO. But the Cavs are ripe for the picking. Boston just needs to play good defense and make/take good shots.

I think James knows his dominance in the East it now coming to an end. He looks very stoic. Cleveland is not going to win 25 games next year and James...to me knows he cannot win there anymore.

If you can't beat Boston without Kyrie and Hayward...then you stand no chance next year with this
Cavs team.

FINISH HIM FRIDAY IN HIS BARN!
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: celticinorlando on May 24, 2018, 01:19:01 PM
-Agree that the 3 days off saved the Cavs from a 5 game exit.

-Do not believe that LBJ is tired. He will come out in game 6 full force. Game 7 is the place I can see him wearing out.

-I do think Boston can win tomorrow. Cavs are mentally weak and Lue is out of options. No more real moves to make

-Game six will either be a Boston win with the Cavs quitting or LBJ carrying them one more time to a close victory. This will be a close game IMO. But the Cavs are ripe for the picking. Boston just needs to play good defense and make/take good shots.

I think James knows his dominance in the East it now coming to an end. He looks very stoic. Cleveland is not going to win 25 games next year and James...to me knows he cannot win there anymore.

If you can't beat Boston without Kyrie and Hayward...then you stand no chance next year with this
Cavs team.

FINISH HIM FRIDAY IN HIS BARN!

Would be so satisfying to win the East in Cleveland.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 01:22:48 PM
It seems like they managed our minutes pretty good despite playing just 7 guys, only the young guy Tatum played heavy minutes.

I kind of thought it would be interesting to see Ojeleye get a start, then bring in Smart, Morris, and Baynes all of the bench together. Help keep Morris fresh and from foul trouble and let Ojeleye guard LeBron at the beginning of the game. LeBron is probably going to come out with a full head of steam so let Ojeleye pick up those two early fouls and not Morris.

yeah semi will most probably play friday. stevens said as much in post game
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 01:26:01 PM
-Agree that the 3 days off saved the Cavs from a 5 game exit.

-Do not believe that LBJ is tired. He will come out in game 6 full force. Game 7 is the place I can see him wearing out.

-I do think Boston can win tomorrow. Cavs are mentally weak and Lue is out of options. No more real moves to make

-Game six will either be a Boston win with the Cavs quitting or LBJ carrying them one more time to a close victory. This will be a close game IMO. But the Cavs are ripe for the picking. Boston just needs to play good defense and make/take good shots.

I think James knows his dominance in the East it now coming to an end. He looks very stoic. Cleveland is not going to win 25 games next year and James...to me knows he cannot win there anymore.

If you can't beat Boston without Kyrie and Hayward...then you stand no chance next year with this
Cavs team.

FINISH HIM FRIDAY IN HIS BARN!

Would be so satisfying to win the East in Cleveland.

If we CLOSE OUT IN CLEVELAND

I will run down my street naked. after dark of course tho!
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: angryguy77 on May 24, 2018, 01:54:17 PM
I don't know why people would be surprised if LeBron was finally starting to break down. No one has played more minutes over the last decade. And has more on his shoulders. It was going to happen at some point.
Since when is being fatigued the same thing as breaking down?  He's not breaking down at all.  The guy got tired!

Can you think of a time before this series where LeRoid looked like he didn't have much in the tank? I can't.

He has a ton of mileage on those legs and he's on the wrong side of 30.

Father time is unbeaten.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 02:00:49 PM
I don't know why people would be surprised if LeBron was finally starting to break down. No one has played more minutes over the last decade. And has more on his shoulders. It was going to happen at some point.
Since when is being fatigued the same thing as breaking down?  He's not breaking down at all.  The guy got tired!

Can you think of a time before this series where LeRoid looked like he didn't have much in the tank? I can't.

He has a ton of mileage on those legs and he's on the wrong side of 30.

Father time is unbeaten.

KG can attest to this. he had a ton of minutes on him also.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: celticinorlando on May 24, 2018, 02:07:17 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...



if they are making excuses like that they are worried.

DETHRONE THE KING!
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: hpantazo on May 24, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
It seems like they managed our minutes pretty good despite playing just 7 guys, only the young guy Tatum played heavy minutes.

I kind of thought it would be interesting to see Ojeleye get a start, then bring in Smart, Morris, and Baynes all of the bench together. Help keep Morris fresh and from foul trouble and let Ojeleye guard LeBron at the beginning of the game. LeBron is probably going to come out with a full head of steam so let Ojeleye pick up those two early fouls and not Morris.

yeah semi will most probably play friday. stevens said as much in post game


He's just keeping Lue guessing at this point.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: angryguy77 on May 24, 2018, 02:29:49 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Timeline of LeExcuses:

LeElbow
LeConcussion
LeFatigue
LeNosupportingcast


I'm sure I'm missing a few.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: hpantazo on May 24, 2018, 02:32:25 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Timeline of LeExcuses:

LeElbow
LeConcussion
LeFatigue
LeNosupportingcast


I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Don't forget LeFeelout
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 02:33:57 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Timeline of LeExcuses:

LeElbow
LeConcussion
LeFatigue
LeNosupportingcast


I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Don't forget LeFeelout

LeZERO CONCERNS!
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: colincb on May 24, 2018, 02:40:01 PM
He led the NBA in minutes this season and is 34. He should be tired.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: celticinorlando on May 24, 2018, 02:41:35 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Timeline of LeExcuses:

LeElbow
LeConcussion
LeFatigue
LeNosupportingcast


I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Don't forget LeFeelout

LeZERO CONCERNS!


IF Boston eliminates the Cavs...I wish someone would ask him what level of concern he is at....
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Androslav on May 24, 2018, 02:56:14 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Timeline of LeExcuses:

LeElbow
LeConcussion
LeFatigue
LeNosupportingcast


I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Don't forget LeFeelout

LeZERO CONCERNS!


IF Boston eliminates the Cavs...I wish someone would ask him what level of concern he is at....
TP. LeLove! :D
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: LarBrd33 on May 24, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
Not sure I'd bet on LeBron being too fatigued.  Dude is a machine. 
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 03:24:20 PM
Not sure I'd bet on LeBron being too fatigued.  Dude is a machine. 

26/10/5 on 50% shooting.  Lebron wasn't the problem.
Again you’re missing the point. Nobody is saying that he’s the reason they lost. Poor coaching and awful starters (Hill, JR and Thompson) were key reasons. But LeBron has never looked like this before, and wasn’t nearly the frightening presence at the end of the game that he usually is.

Like I said, Lebron will still put up stellar numbers in Game 6 and will likely look fresh early on. If we make him work for everything again though (both offense and defense), then he could look somewhat sluggish again in the 2nd half (as @gouki88 said^). That's our opening. No guarantee we win but we got a chance as long as we don't start off very poorly (or make too many dumb mistakes like in Game 4).

Lebron is no doubt a machine, but some machines also start "acting up" a bit or show some signs of weaknesses/deficiencies through wear-and-tear and after extreme usage.

I'd be surprised if Lebron played 40 minutes tomorrow night and didn't look fatigue/tired after about 30 to be honest. Not like there's a whole 3-day break again this series.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 07:57:06 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Don't worry, on Saturday morning the papers will start posting articles begging Lebron to stay and highlighting trade packages involving BKN Pick to lure a star to pair with Lebron  :laugh:

Or actually, the narrative will be, "just wait for Isaiah to return!"  :laugh:
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 08:35:13 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Timeline of LeExcuses:

LeElbow
LeConcussion
LeFatigue
LeNosupportingcast


I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Don't forget LeFeelout

LeZERO CONCERNS!


IF Boston eliminates the Cavs...I wish someone would ask him what level of concern he is at....

THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC!
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 08:41:58 PM
Cleveland and Ohio papers are saying LeBron was exhausted...that is the new narrative here in Cavs Land...

Timeline of LeExcuses:

LeElbow
LeConcussion
LeFatigue
LeNosupportingcast


I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Don't forget LeFeelout

LeZERO CONCERNS!


IF Boston eliminates the Cavs...I wish someone would ask him what level of concern he is at....

THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC!

"Hey Lebron, what level of concern are you at..."

*Lebron just sits there next to luggages with a stern glare while wearing a Rockets jersey*

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: celticsclay on May 24, 2018, 08:43:29 PM
Not sure I'd bet on LeBron being too fatigued.  Dude is a machine.

Old Machine
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: footey on May 24, 2018, 08:43:45 PM
Lebron ain’t dead.

Everyone said the same about Kareem after Game 1 of ‘85 Finals. He’s  too old, slow.

Game 2 he came out and kicked our butts.

History, people. Be careful. Not cocky.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 24, 2018, 08:59:34 PM
Lebron ain’t dead.

Everyone said the same about Kareem after Game 1 of ‘85 Finals. He’s  too old, slow.

Game 2 he came out and kicked our butts.

History, people. Be careful. Not cocky.

i will never underestimate him. i won't be celebrating anything until clock reads 0:00 and we have won and dethroned the king. until then players need to stay focused and attack attack attack and pound lebron on both ends into oblivion.

Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 24, 2018, 09:01:13 PM
Lebron ain’t dead.

Everyone said the same about Kareem after Game 1 of ‘85 Finals. He’s  too old, slow.

Game 2 he came out and kicked our butts.

History, people. Be careful. Not cocky.

i will never underestimate him. i won't be celebrating anything until clock reads 0:00 and we have won and dethroned the king. until then players need to stay focused and attack attack attack and pound lebron on both ends into oblivion.

Yep.

We need a complete game effort tomorrow, and a much better start.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Ogaju on May 24, 2018, 09:42:36 PM
Lebron ain’t dead.

Everyone said the same about Kareem after Game 1 of ‘85 Finals. He’s  too old, slow.

Game 2 he came out and kicked our butts.

History, people. Be careful. Not cocky.

i will never underestimate him. i won't be celebrating anything until clock reads 0:00 and we have won and dethroned the king. until then players need to stay focused and attack attack attack and pound lebron on both ends into oblivion.

This
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: BringToughnessBack on May 24, 2018, 11:19:11 PM
How many players are not a bit fatigued? If one is more then another, blame the coach for playing them too much..Kleenex, aisle Cleveland....We still need one and it wont be easy- preferably in Cloudyville tomorrow 😁🍷😁
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on May 24, 2018, 11:58:00 PM
MJ played with the flu, Magic had AIDS, and Bird played with the most messed up back in the history of the NBA, a broken cheekbone, and a few times with a busted orbital bone.  Excuse me if I don't shed tears for someone because he's "tired" despite just 3 days ago him being praised for being in such amazing shape at 33. 
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: cman88 on May 25, 2018, 12:00:27 AM
its all the media setting up the narrative so that if Lebron loses its because "his team-mates suck, he was tired because he had to carry them!" or if he wins its "lebron is so amazing, he played tired!"

I am sure that he is tired...but the whole head in his hands, towel on his face was so dramatic.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: moiso on May 25, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
So glad Lebron is breaking down ::)
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 25, 2018, 11:12:29 PM
Yeah I'd like to apologize to all. He didn't look as tired at the end, but did look a bit banged up. The problem is, especially from the 2nd quarter onward, we didn't make Lebron work as hard. He just feasted on Rozier and Tatum all night and did *just enough* on defense. 
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: scaryjerry on May 25, 2018, 11:25:00 PM
If the celtics are banking on or even thinking about LeBron being tired then they'll be blown out sunday
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Ed Hollison on May 25, 2018, 11:44:50 PM
So, was he miraculously full of energy tonight despite just two days rest and having played 46 minutes?

Also, why was he icing his shin after injuring his knee mid-game?
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: Phantom255x on May 25, 2018, 11:44:54 PM
If the celtics are banking on or even thinking about LeBron being tired then they'll be blown out sunday

Still curious to see if he can play 46+ minutes again. If so, then OMG he's a real life machine...  :o
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on May 26, 2018, 12:01:04 AM
If the celtics are banking on or even thinking about LeBron being tired then they'll be blown out sunday

Still curious to see if he can play 46+ minutes again. If so, then OMG he's a real life machine...  :o

When you're allowed to use PED's it's easy to go from being "fatigued" to superhuman pretty quickly.
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: celticinorlando on May 26, 2018, 12:02:49 AM
To me this was the game he needed to have in game 7. Just going to be hard to do this twice with one day off.

I don't care LBJ got his. I am p---ed about Nance, Hill and Green and the way the Cs played the second quarter
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: LarBrd33 on May 26, 2018, 12:10:35 AM
Not sure I'd bet on LeBron being too fatigued.  Dude is a machine.

Old Machine
... still a machine
Title: Re: A "Fatigued" Lebron Adds A New Wrinkle Heading Into Game 6
Post by: cman88 on May 26, 2018, 09:08:50 AM
Told you guys it was all an act. Just like Lebron's miraculous recovery from his knee injury after looking like he died on the court.

not saying he wasnt fatigued, but he definitely oversells injuries/stuff to make himself look better