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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Somebody on May 03, 2017, 08:42:52 AM
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With this season being a success for Boston fans (it'll be a huge success if we get lucky and win the lottery), it is time for us to hope for their continued failure to ensure we get one of the great big man prospects in the 18 draft, which we sorely need. Imo the Nets will be dangerous if they manage to overpay for a few decent FAs so we'll have to track their transactions and hope that no half decent player looks at Brooklyn as a destination except for washed up guys like Noah and Deng as well as JLin and Lopez being traded away for peanuts. Hope we win the lottery this year and get a top 3 pick in the next!
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Just waiting to see what scrub they overpay for. My money is on Otto Porter.
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Just waiting to see what scrub they overpay for. My money is on Otto Porter.
Porter is a scrub?
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Just waiting to see what scrub they overpay for. My money is on Otto Porter.
Porter is a scrub?
He's fine for now.
Next year though, he'll be one of the most overpayed in the league.
Is he even better than Crowder?
Looking forward to his new max deal crippling that organization for years to come...
Something about Wall and that teams whole vibe that really puts me off.
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There are two things I'll be interested to see if Porter goes to the Nets this offseason:
1. I'm always uneasy about giving a big contract to a guy who is coming off of a career season. Is he a young player who is improving and is on an upward trend? Or is this a guy who went all out during a contract year and will revert back to his prior performance? Option 3 is always somewhere in the middle of those two extremes.
2. Even if this is the "real" Otto Porter, he is benefitting greatly from being on the court with Wall and Beal. He is at best the 3rd option for that team, and depending upon matchups, sometimes he is their 4th option at the offensive end behind Morris. If he goes to the Nets he will be the first or second option, working with Lopez. More importantly, he will be the #1 perimeter option.
Right now he draws the opponents' worst perimeter defender. In Brooklyn he will draw the opponents' top perimeter defender. That is a world of difference. And if he isn't actually good enough to draw the top perimeter defender away from Jeremy Lin, then he isn't good enough to make a measurable difference in the Nets results.
I'm of the opinion that this team is going to be bottom 5 again next year, regardless of any changes they make. That roster is so terrible that the players who may be willing to go there aren't going to be good enough to lead them into the playoffs.
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DeAndre Ayton lets gooooo!
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So are the Nets going to just sit Rondae Hollis-Jefferson if they get Porter? RHJ is like their best player in +/-
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I m with you csfansince60s.... But eventually we need to draft a pf/c. Already too many pg/sg/sfs
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So are the Nets going to just sit Rondae Hollis-Jefferson if they get Porter? RHJ is like their best player in +/-
We've still got our own pick. Why not tank next season and hope that we get #1 and #2?
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Mike
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Is there any inside tracking to link Otto Porter with the Nets? I think the Wizards will try to keep their core together after their moderate success this season (hopefully, reaching conference semifinals and losing in four games ;D)
I think they'll get fine free agents, but not Porter's level. I also hope they trade Brook Lopez for a first and go full youth movement.
EDIT: About Doncic, he is wonderful and has a tremendous upside, but we need some bigs and not wings (for now, if we get Millsap or Griffin maybe it changes)
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Is there any inside tracking to link Otto Porter with the Nets? I think the Wizards will try to keep their core together after their moderate success this season (hopefully, reaching conference semifinals and losing in four games ;D)
I think they'll get fine free agents, but not Porter's level. I also hope they trade Brook Lopez for a first and go full youth movement.
EDIT: About Doncic, he is wonderful and has a tremendous upside, but we need some bigs and not wings (for now, if we get Millsap or Griffin maybe it changes)
We should always draft BPA...especially at the top of the draft. Though IMO next years draft will have good bigs. I use to love Ayton but he has not progressed since his sophmore year. He use to remind me of a players with the length and athleticism that also possessed the skills of a Karl Towns(But longer and bigger) but he has not improved on his game the way that Towns and Turner and other good big's did. Ayton is going to Arizona and hopefully they work with him on polishing his game.
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Just waiting to see what scrub they overpay for. My money is on Otto Porter.
Porter is a scrub?
I guess not, but if you pay a B- player Max money your team is going to be horrible.
See Harrison Barnes.
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So are the Nets going to just sit Rondae Hollis-Jefferson if they get Porter? RHJ is like their best player in +/-
We've still got our own pick. Why not tank next season and hope that we get #1 and #2?
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Mike
If we get the first pick then it may be best for the team to move on from IT/AB/Smart/Crowder....especially if Jaylen Brown continues to improve and gets to another level in his game. I know you probably were not serious but a lot of people are afraid that we IT and/or AB will either walk after next season or we will have to give the max to IT when he is 29 and obviously already had defensive issues(especially in a 7 game playoff series) and there is the long list of pg's that fade out when they get older and lose athleticism. I wouldn't give them away for nothing or for the sake of tanking though.
If DA thinks Fultz is going to be a star player @pg and if Jaylen is ready to take over, well I'd think this summer would be the best time to get some value back on IT/AB/Crowder.
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So are the Nets going to just sit Rondae Hollis-Jefferson if they get Porter? RHJ is like their best player in +/-
We've still got our own pick. Why not tank next season and hope that we get #1 and #2?
;)
Mike
If we get the first pick then it may be best for the team to move on from IT/AB/Smart/Crowder....especially if Jaylen Brown continues to improve and gets to another level in his game. I know you probably were not serious but a lot of people are afraid that we IT and/or AB will either walk after next season or we will have to give the max to IT when he is 29 and obviously already had defensive issues(especially in a 7 game playoff series) and there is the long list of pg's that fade out when they get older and lose athleticism. I wouldn't give them away for nothing or for the sake of tanking though.
If DA thinks Fultz is going to be a star player @pg and if Jaylen is ready to take over, well I'd think this summer would be the best time to get some value back on IT/AB/Crowder.
It's possible (even likely) we trade AB and eventually sign IT to a 4 yr max (instead of 5 yrs), but there is just no way we move on from IT without getting a top 10 player back in return. For better or worse, he is the face of our franchise moving forward so just sit back and enjoy the ride. He is certainly a joy to watch!
As for BKN, I can't imagine things change too much for them. Breaking out of the bottom 5, recordwise, would be an incredible accomplishment which I don't see happening.
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Just want to be on page 1 of what is sure to be the longest thread next season.
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Just want to be on page 1 of what is sure to be the longest thread next season.
Serves me right. Page 2.
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Yes! I love this.
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So are the Nets going to just sit Rondae Hollis-Jefferson if they get Porter? RHJ is like their best player in +/-
We've still got our own pick. Why not tank next season and hope that we get #1 and #2?
;)
Mike
If we get the first pick then it may be best for the team to move on from IT/AB/Smart/Crowder....especially if Jaylen Brown continues to improve and gets to another level in his game. I know you probably were not serious but a lot of people are afraid that we IT and/or AB will either walk after next season or we will have to give the max to IT when he is 29 and obviously already had defensive issues(especially in a 7 game playoff series) and there is the long list of pg's that fade out when they get older and lose athleticism. I wouldn't give them away for nothing or for the sake of tanking though.
If DA thinks Fultz is going to be a star player @pg and if Jaylen is ready to take over, well I'd think this summer would be the best time to get some value back on IT/AB/Crowder.
It's possible (even likely) we trade AB and eventually sign IT to a 4 yr max (instead of 5 yrs), but there is just no way we move on from IT without getting a top 10 player back in return. For better or worse, he is the face of our franchise moving forward so just sit back and enjoy the ride. He is certainly a joy to watch!
As for BKN, I can't imagine things change too much for them. Breaking out of the bottom 5, recordwise, would be an incredible accomplishment which I don't see happening.
Our legacy and legend is the face of our franchise. Immortal players that win championsips.
IT is not on the same par with a PP, can't play D in the playoffs against someone like the Cavs where we can't hide him. IT is our best player but also does not have to share being a scorer with anyone because he's the only player who can create on the team. If we are going to win a championship we can't hide our best player for half the game while paying himm the MAX, especially when he will already be 29 and undersized....especially if we draft a superstar pg #1 overal and the guy we just picked #3 overall is ready.....that's my opinion.
Also, the "we can't trade the face of our franchise" argument was used with RR all the time....we still traded him for a protected pick though. And that's the same guy who IT was defending in the 1st round (first 2 games at home) that tore this team apart.....on both sides.
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There was some reporting that the Nets were going to go after Caldwell-Pope.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699433-kentavious-caldwell-pope-reportedly-among-brooklyn-nets-top-free-agent-targets
He's restricted but the Nets can offer him up to $103 mil for 4 years and, I guess, they might as well right? Is Detroit going to pay KCP $25 mil a year? I don't know. But I've heard he was a target from a few sources.
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Our legacy and legend is the face of our franchise. Immortal players that win championsips.
IT is not on the same par with a PP, can't play D in the playoffs against someone like the Cavs where we can't hide him. IT is our best player but also does not have to share being a scorer with anyone because he's the only player who can create on the team. If we are going to win a championship we can't hide our best player for half the game while paying himm the MAX, especially when he will already be 29 and undersized....especially if we draft a superstar pg #1 overal and the guy we just picked #3 overall is ready.....that's my opinion.
Also, the "we can't trade the face of our franchise" argument was used with RR all the time....we still traded him for a protected pick though. And that's the same guy who IT was defending in the 1st round (first 2 games at home) that tore this team apart.....on both sides.
I loved Pierce - he and Walker made Celtics bball enjoyable to watch again, but he wouldn't have been anything more than what IT is now if we didn't trade for KG. I obviously don't think you keep a player forever just because he is the face of your franchise, but now that we have a solid team around him (which almost definitely will get better this summer) and are winning in the playoffs makes it kind-of a slam dunk that he will stay.
He is 28, not 35, and is just reaching the prime of his career. He also doesn't have that much mileage on his legs since he played 4 years in college and has remained relatively healthy in his career to this point.
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Our legacy and legend is the face of our franchise. Immortal players that win championsips.
IT is not on the same par with a PP, can't play D in the playoffs against someone like the Cavs where we can't hide him. IT is our best player but also does not have to share being a scorer with anyone because he's the only player who can create on the team. If we are going to win a championship we can't hide our best player for half the game while paying himm the MAX, especially when he will already be 29 and undersized....especially if we draft a superstar pg #1 overal and the guy we just picked #3 overall is ready.....that's my opinion.
Also, the "we can't trade the face of our franchise" argument was used with RR all the time....we still traded him for a protected pick though. And that's the same guy who IT was defending in the 1st round (first 2 games at home) that tore this team apart.....on both sides.
I loved Pierce - he and Walker made Celtics bball enjoyable to watch again, but he wouldn't have been anything more than what IT is now if we didn't trade for KG. I obviously don't think you keep a player forever just because he is the face of your franchise, but now that we have a solid team around him (which almost definitely will get better this summer) and are winning in the playoffs makes it kind-of a slam dunk that he will stay.
He is 28, not 35, and is just reaching the prime of his career. He also doesn't have that much mileage on his legs since he played 4 years in college and has remained relatively healthy in his career to this point.
No coach ever had to "HIDE" PP on defense. Even if we look at their stats PP not only averaged 2 steals and 1block per game, but he hovered around that for many seasons...and his defense elevated in the playoffs. Wait till we play CLE and we can't HIDE IT. PP stepped defensively to players like T-Mac, Lebron, Kobe, and could defend on the switch. IT is not even in same realm as PP defensively.
Look at the pieces PP had around him. Walker could create but he was highly inefficient. The C's only had 2 guys average over 10points, which was the worst in the league and never really improved much till KG and Ray. Still, PP was able to get us into the playoffs a few times and the ECF.....with nothing. Besides drafting PP the front office did almost everything they could to ruin the C's future. Trading Billups and Joe Johnson(JJ 4 Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers).
IT is 28 but like I said when/if we sign him he will be 29. I'm pretty sure we will re-sign him but as a fan I have to be skeptical about a grossly undersized pg that will be up for a 4-5 year deal. IT had a 40'' max vertical in the combine and eventually, like Horford's vertical/jumping ability, his athleticism and speed will decrease. IT plays HARD and that is a good thing but all those bumps and falls take a toll. I will continue to be skeptical of a player that after the age of 29 IMO will return us a bad value for what we pay him....especially if we draft FULTZ
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There was some reporting that the Nets were going to go after Caldwell-Pope.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699433-kentavious-caldwell-pope-reportedly-among-brooklyn-nets-top-free-agent-targets
He's restricted but the Nets can offer him up to $103 mil for 4 years and, I guess, they might as well right? Is Detroit going to pay KCP $25 mil a year? I don't know. But I've heard he was a target from a few sources.
Ya, I heard they will go after KCP too. What we really need is for them to trade Lopez for some prospects and picks.
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Just want to be on page 1 of what is sure to be the longest thread next season.
Almost, but no bananas. ;D
But I will join you on page two of the longest thread.
And for fun, I predict a bottom 6 finish for the nets. Woo woo. Look out lottery here we come!
;D
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Just want to be on page 1 of what is sure to be the longest thread next season.
Almost, but no bananas. ;D
But I will join you on page two of the longest thread.
And for fun, I predict a bottom 6 finish for the nets. Woo woo. Look out lottery here we come!
;D
TP to all you page 2 guys from a page one guy. ;D
And there's nothing wrong with being a second banana!!!!!
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Our legacy and legend is the face of our franchise. Immortal players that win championsips.
IT is not on the same par with a PP, can't play D in the playoffs against someone like the Cavs where we can't hide him. IT is our best player but also does not have to share being a scorer with anyone because he's the only player who can create on the team. If we are going to win a championship we can't hide our best player for half the game while paying himm the MAX, especially when he will already be 29 and undersized....especially if we draft a superstar pg #1 overal and the guy we just picked #3 overall is ready.....that's my opinion.
Also, the "we can't trade the face of our franchise" argument was used with RR all the time....we still traded him for a protected pick though. And that's the same guy who IT was defending in the 1st round (first 2 games at home) that tore this team apart.....on both sides.
I loved Pierce - he and Walker made Celtics bball enjoyable to watch again, but he wouldn't have been anything more than what IT is now if we didn't trade for KG. I obviously don't think you keep a player forever just because he is the face of your franchise, but now that we have a solid team around him (which almost definitely will get better this summer) and are winning in the playoffs makes it kind-of a slam dunk that he will stay.
He is 28, not 35, and is just reaching the prime of his career. He also doesn't have that much mileage on his legs since he played 4 years in college and has remained relatively healthy in his career to this point.
No coach ever had to "HIDE" PP on defense. Even if we look at their stats PP not only averaged 2 steals and 1block per game, but he hovered around that for many seasons...and his defense elevated in the playoffs. Wait till we play CLE and we can't HIDE IT. PP stepped defensively to players like T-Mac, Lebron, Kobe, and could defend on the switch. IT is not even in same realm as PP defensively.
Look at the pieces PP had around him. Walker could create but he was highly inefficient. The C's only had 2 guys average over 10points, which was the worst in the league and never really improved much till KG and Ray. Still, PP was able to get us into the playoffs a few times and the ECF.....with nothing. Besides drafting PP the front office did almost everything they could to ruin the C's future. Trading Billups and Joe Johnson(JJ 4 Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers).
IT is 28 but like I said when/if we sign him he will be 29. I'm pretty sure we will re-sign him but as a fan I have to be skeptical about a grossly undersized pg that will be up for a 4-5 year deal. IT had a 40'' max vertical in the combine and eventually, like Horford's vertical/jumping ability, his athleticism and speed will decrease. IT plays HARD and that is a good thing but all those bumps and falls take a toll. I will continue to be skeptical of a player that after the age of 29 IMO will return us a bad value for what we pay him....especially if we draft FULTZ
Trying not to go too off topic of this thread, but I've thought of this too. If Fultz is as good as projected, and IT declines a little in a couple years I'm still fine with paying IT the max, and here is why. IT in his early 30s could be one of the best if not the best 6th man in the league while not ideal for a max player is somewhat offset by a cost controlled stud player in Fultz, and you can still play them together. Think of the old Celtics with Mchale coming off the bench at times. If IT rapidly declines the last year or 2 of his max deal so be it. You could use him as part of an expiring contract in a deal.
Back on topic I hope Lopez is traded for a pick because without him they are truly hopeless.
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Way to steal my thread bro :P
It's a bit early before all the major stuff happens.
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Our legacy and legend is the face of our franchise. Immortal players that win championsips.
IT is not on the same par with a PP, can't play D in the playoffs against someone like the Cavs where we can't hide him. IT is our best player but also does not have to share being a scorer with anyone because he's the only player who can create on the team. If we are going to win a championship we can't hide our best player for half the game while paying himm the MAX, especially when he will already be 29 and undersized....especially if we draft a superstar pg #1 overal and the guy we just picked #3 overall is ready.....that's my opinion.
Also, the "we can't trade the face of our franchise" argument was used with RR all the time....we still traded him for a protected pick though. And that's the same guy who IT was defending in the 1st round (first 2 games at home) that tore this team apart.....on both sides.
I loved Pierce - he and Walker made Celtics bball enjoyable to watch again, but he wouldn't have been anything more than what IT is now if we didn't trade for KG. I obviously don't think you keep a player forever just because he is the face of your franchise, but now that we have a solid team around him (which almost definitely will get better this summer) and are winning in the playoffs makes it kind-of a slam dunk that he will stay.
He is 28, not 35, and is just reaching the prime of his career. He also doesn't have that much mileage on his legs since he played 4 years in college and has remained relatively healthy in his career to this point.
No coach ever had to "HIDE" PP on defense. Even if we look at their stats PP not only averaged 2 steals and 1block per game, but he hovered around that for many seasons...and his defense elevated in the playoffs. Wait till we play CLE and we can't HIDE IT. PP stepped defensively to players like T-Mac, Lebron, Kobe, and could defend on the switch. IT is not even in same realm as PP defensively.
Look at the pieces PP had around him. Walker could create but he was highly inefficient. The C's only had 2 guys average over 10points, which was the worst in the league and never really improved much till KG and Ray. Still, PP was able to get us into the playoffs a few times and the ECF.....with nothing. Besides drafting PP the front office did almost everything they could to ruin the C's future. Trading Billups and Joe Johnson(JJ 4 Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers).
IT is 28 but like I said when/if we sign him he will be 29. I'm pretty sure we will re-sign him but as a fan I have to be skeptical about a grossly undersized pg that will be up for a 4-5 year deal. IT had a 40'' max vertical in the combine and eventually, like Horford's vertical/jumping ability, his athleticism and speed will decrease. IT plays HARD and that is a good thing but all those bumps and falls take a toll. I will continue to be skeptical of a player that after the age of 29 IMO will return us a bad value for what we pay him....especially if we draft FULTZ
I am with you 100%. Problem is I can't see Danny trading IT, especially if we go past the Wizards and have a competitive series against the Cavs. In any case, if we were to trade him, what could we get for him? Do you believe the Pacers would do Myles Turner for IT straight up? In all honesty, I highly doubt it. What about sending him to the Sixers for Saric and the 2019 Sacramento unprotected first? I mean, it's not like we have plenty of options out there. Any other ideas?
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Our legacy and legend is the face of our franchise. Immortal players that win championsips.
IT is not on the same par with a PP, can't play D in the playoffs against someone like the Cavs where we can't hide him. IT is our best player but also does not have to share being a scorer with anyone because he's the only player who can create on the team. If we are going to win a championship we can't hide our best player for half the game while paying himm the MAX, especially when he will already be 29 and undersized....especially if we draft a superstar pg #1 overal and the guy we just picked #3 overall is ready.....that's my opinion.
Also, the "we can't trade the face of our franchise" argument was used with RR all the time....we still traded him for a protected pick though. And that's the same guy who IT was defending in the 1st round (first 2 games at home) that tore this team apart.....on both sides.
I loved Pierce - he and Walker made Celtics bball enjoyable to watch again, but he wouldn't have been anything more than what IT is now if we didn't trade for KG. I obviously don't think you keep a player forever just because he is the face of your franchise, but now that we have a solid team around him (which almost definitely will get better this summer) and are winning in the playoffs makes it kind-of a slam dunk that he will stay.
He is 28, not 35, and is just reaching the prime of his career. He also doesn't have that much mileage on his legs since he played 4 years in college and has remained relatively healthy in his career to this point.
No coach ever had to "HIDE" PP on defense. Even if we look at their stats PP not only averaged 2 steals and 1block per game, but he hovered around that for many seasons...and his defense elevated in the playoffs. Wait till we play CLE and we can't HIDE IT. PP stepped defensively to players like T-Mac, Lebron, Kobe, and could defend on the switch. IT is not even in same realm as PP defensively.
Look at the pieces PP had around him. Walker could create but he was highly inefficient. The C's only had 2 guys average over 10points, which was the worst in the league and never really improved much till KG and Ray. Still, PP was able to get us into the playoffs a few times and the ECF.....with nothing. Besides drafting PP the front office did almost everything they could to ruin the C's future. Trading Billups and Joe Johnson(JJ 4 Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers).
IT is 28 but like I said when/if we sign him he will be 29. I'm pretty sure we will re-sign him but as a fan I have to be skeptical about a grossly undersized pg that will be up for a 4-5 year deal. IT had a 40'' max vertical in the combine and eventually, like Horford's vertical/jumping ability, his athleticism and speed will decrease. IT plays HARD and that is a good thing but all those bumps and falls take a toll. I will continue to be skeptical of a player that after the age of 29 IMO will return us a bad value for what we pay him....especially if we draft FULTZ
I am with you 100%. Problem is I can't see Danny trading IT, especially if we go past the Wizards and have a competitive series against the Cavs. In any case, if we were to trade him, what could we get for him? Do you believe the Pacers would do Myles Turner for IT straight up? In all honesty, I highly doubt it. What about sending him to the Sixers for Saric and the 2019 Sacramento unprotected first? I mean, it's not like we have plenty of options out there. Any other ideas?
Ya I think they will sign him too. But that does not mean "put on my green goggles" and "IT is a top 10 player", which makes no sense to me because in a 7 game series teams can expose him/we find ways to hide him. But what is great is that he is getting a lot of press and attention/acclaim, which may make him attractive to teams that lost in the playoffs or have hopes of making the playoffs.
IT 4 Myles Turner: this was discussed on here a few days ago and 99.99% said they would rather have IT for next season and then sign him to the max. IMO this is a no brainer and I'd much rather have Turner, especially if we draft Fultz. I don't think Indy would do it unless PG gave them more security bc if he leaves or they decide to trade him they already said they would build around Turner.
Instead of Saric they would be much more willing to give Okafor and it would not cost us IT. IMO Okafor is undervalued and misused and def not close to a finished product.
Jabari is another guy that we could use one of IT/AB/Crowder to get.
A lot depends on what happens in the draft.
Also, 2018 draft we own our own 1st rounder and BKN's
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Is there any inside tracking to link Otto Porter with the Nets? I think the Wizards will try to keep their core together after their moderate success this season (hopefully, reaching conference semifinals and losing in four games ;D)
I think they'll get fine free agents, but not Porter's level. I also hope they trade Brook Lopez for a first and go full youth movement.
EDIT: About Doncic, he is wonderful and has a tremendous upside, but we need some bigs and not wings (for now, if we get Millsap or Griffin maybe it changes)
We should always draft BPA...especially at the top of the draft. Though IMO next years draft will have good bigs. I use to love Ayton but he has not progressed since his sophmore year. He use to remind me of a players with the length and athleticism that also possessed the skills of a Karl Towns(But longer and bigger) but he has not improved on his game the way that Towns and Turner and other good big's did. Ayton is going to Arizona and hopefully they work with him on polishing his game.
Yeah and the BPAs are the bigs (really down on Doncic for no reason, just a gut feeling. I have Porter 1st, Ayton 2nd, Bamba 3rd and Doncic 4th, hopefully we select either one of Porter Ayton and Bamba although Porter is a PF)
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Is there any inside tracking to link Otto Porter with the Nets? I think the Wizards will try to keep their core together after their moderate success this season (hopefully, reaching conference semifinals and losing in four games ;D)
I think they'll get fine free agents, but not Porter's level. I also hope they trade Brook Lopez for a first and go full youth movement.
EDIT: About Doncic, he is wonderful and has a tremendous upside, but we need some bigs and not wings (for now, if we get Millsap or Griffin maybe it changes)
We should always draft BPA...especially at the top of the draft. Though IMO next years draft will have good bigs. I use to love Ayton but he has not progressed since his sophmore year. He use to remind me of a players with the length and athleticism that also possessed the skills of a Karl Towns(But longer and bigger) but he has not improved on his game the way that Towns and Turner and other good big's did. Ayton is going to Arizona and hopefully they work with him on polishing his game.
Yeah and the BPAs are the bigs (really down on Doncic for no reason, just a gut feeling. I have Porter 1st, Ayton 2nd, Bamba 3rd and Doncic 4th, hopefully we select either one of Porter Ayton and Bamba although Porter is a PF)
As FCO, I'd also draft the best player available, except being very close that I'd try to select a big.
It doesn't matter to pick a PF, as Horford can adapt to PF and C in this stage of his career.
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Is there any inside tracking to link Otto Porter with the Nets? I think the Wizards will try to keep their core together after their moderate success this season (hopefully, reaching conference semifinals and losing in four games ;D)
I think they'll get fine free agents, but not Porter's level. I also hope they trade Brook Lopez for a first and go full youth movement.
EDIT: About Doncic, he is wonderful and has a tremendous upside, but we need some bigs and not wings (for now, if we get Millsap or Griffin maybe it changes)
We should always draft BPA...especially at the top of the draft. Though IMO next years draft will have good bigs. I use to love Ayton but he has not progressed since his sophmore year. He use to remind me of a players with the length and athleticism that also possessed the skills of a Karl Towns(But longer and bigger) but he has not improved on his game the way that Towns and Turner and other good big's did. Ayton is going to Arizona and hopefully they work with him on polishing his game.
Yeah and the BPAs are the bigs (really down on Doncic for no reason, just a gut feeling. I have Porter 1st, Ayton 2nd, Bamba 3rd and Doncic 4th, hopefully we select either one of Porter Ayton and Bamba although Porter is a PF)
As FCO, I'd also draft the best player available, except being very close that I'd try to select a big.
It doesn't matter to pick a PF, as Horford can adapt to PF and C in this stage of his career.
Yeah and we've got Zizic and whoever we pick with our second round picks (there are some intriguing big man prospects late in the draft, I can see Ainge trying to nab a guy like Jeanne) at center.
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Our legacy and legend is the face of our franchise. Immortal players that win championsips.
IT is not on the same par with a PP, can't play D in the playoffs against someone like the Cavs where we can't hide him. IT is our best player but also does not have to share being a scorer with anyone because he's the only player who can create on the team. If we are going to win a championship we can't hide our best player for half the game while paying himm the MAX, especially when he will already be 29 and undersized....especially if we draft a superstar pg #1 overal and the guy we just picked #3 overall is ready.....that's my opinion.
Also, the "we can't trade the face of our franchise" argument was used with RR all the time....we still traded him for a protected pick though. And that's the same guy who IT was defending in the 1st round (first 2 games at home) that tore this team apart.....on both sides.
I loved Pierce - he and Walker made Celtics bball enjoyable to watch again, but he wouldn't have been anything more than what IT is now if we didn't trade for KG. I obviously don't think you keep a player forever just because he is the face of your franchise, but now that we have a solid team around him (which almost definitely will get better this summer) and are winning in the playoffs makes it kind-of a slam dunk that he will stay.
He is 28, not 35, and is just reaching the prime of his career. He also doesn't have that much mileage on his legs since he played 4 years in college and has remained relatively healthy in his career to this point.
No coach ever had to "HIDE" PP on defense. Even if we look at their stats PP not only averaged 2 steals and 1block per game, but he hovered around that for many seasons...and his defense elevated in the playoffs. Wait till we play CLE and we can't HIDE IT. PP stepped defensively to players like T-Mac, Lebron, Kobe, and could defend on the switch. IT is not even in same realm as PP defensively.
Look at the pieces PP had around him. Walker could create but he was highly inefficient. The C's only had 2 guys average over 10points, which was the worst in the league and never really improved much till KG and Ray. Still, PP was able to get us into the playoffs a few times and the ECF.....with nothing. Besides drafting PP the front office did almost everything they could to ruin the C's future. Trading Billups and Joe Johnson(JJ 4 Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers).
IT is 28 but like I said when/if we sign him he will be 29. I'm pretty sure we will re-sign him but as a fan I have to be skeptical about a grossly undersized pg that will be up for a 4-5 year deal. IT had a 40'' max vertical in the combine and eventually, like Horford's vertical/jumping ability, his athleticism and speed will decrease. IT plays HARD and that is a good thing but all those bumps and falls take a toll. I will continue to be skeptical of a player that after the age of 29 IMO will return us a bad value for what we pay him....especially if we draft FULTZ
I am with you 100%. Problem is I can't see Danny trading IT, especially if we go past the Wizards and have a competitive series against the Cavs. In any case, if we were to trade him, what could we get for him? Do you believe the Pacers would do Myles Turner for IT straight up? In all honesty, I highly doubt it. What about sending him to the Sixers for Saric and the 2019 Sacramento unprotected first? I mean, it's not like we have plenty of options out there. Any other ideas?
Ya I think they will sign him too. But that does not mean "put on my green goggles" and "IT is a top 10 player", which makes no sense to me because in a 7 game series teams can expose him/we find ways to hide him. But what is great is that he is getting a lot of press and attention/acclaim, which may make him attractive to teams that lost in the playoffs or have hopes of making the playoffs.
IT 4 Myles Turner: this was discussed on here a few days ago and 99.99% said they would rather have IT for next season and then sign him to the max. IMO this is a no brainer and I'd much rather have Turner, especially if we draft Fultz. I don't think Indy would do it unless PG gave them more security bc if he leaves or they decide to trade him they already said they would build around Turner.
Instead of Saric they would be much more willing to give Okafor and it would not cost us IT. IMO Okafor is undervalued and misused and def not close to a finished product.
Jabari is another guy that we could use one of IT/AB/Crowder to get.
A lot depends on what happens in the draft.
Also, 2018 draft we own our own 1st rounder and BKN's
So what you are saying is that Indy probably won't trade us Turner and Philly would be hesitant to include Saric, but we could make a deal with the Bucks for Jabari. Meh... I wouldn't touch Jabari with a ten-foot pole. His injury history just scares me. In any case, I think we both agree that while Danny would be wise to explore the market for IT, his trade value might not be that high after all. I mean, how many teams are gonna offer him a 4 year max next year? And how many would be willing to trade for him this summer, knowing that it may end up being a one-year rental?
That being said, I would also do the Turner trade in a heartbeat. Heck, I would even throw in a non-Brooklyn first if I had to. The Sixers trade is an intriguing possibility as well. That 2019 Sacramento pick has a huge value on its own, plus we would free up $3,838,834 in cap space to go after Hayward.
Fultz - Smart
Bradley - Brown
Hayward - Crowder
Saric - Yabu
Horford - Zizic
This team is full of young players and has the potential to go all the way to the Eastern Conference Finals, just like the team we have this year. If we use the 2018 Nets pick to draft a long term replacement for Horford (Ayton / Bamba?) we may end up with a contending roster for the next decade or so.
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Is there any inside tracking to link Otto Porter with the Nets? I think the Wizards will try to keep their core together after their moderate success this season (hopefully, reaching conference semifinals and losing in four games ;D)
I think they'll get fine free agents, but not Porter's level. I also hope they trade Brook Lopez for a first and go full youth movement.
EDIT: About Doncic, he is wonderful and has a tremendous upside, but we need some bigs and not wings (for now, if we get Millsap or Griffin maybe it changes)
We should always draft BPA...especially at the top of the draft. Though IMO next years draft will have good bigs. I use to love Ayton but he has not progressed since his sophmore year. He use to remind me of a players with the length and athleticism that also possessed the skills of a Karl Towns(But longer and bigger) but he has not improved on his game the way that Towns and Turner and other good big's did. Ayton is going to Arizona and hopefully they work with him on polishing his game.
Yeah and the BPAs are the bigs (really down on Doncic for no reason, just a gut feeling. I have Porter 1st, Ayton 2nd, Bamba 3rd and Doncic 4th, hopefully we select either one of Porter Ayton and Bamba although Porter is a PF)
As FCO, I'd also draft the best player available, except being very close that I'd try to select a big.
It doesn't matter to pick a PF, as Horford can adapt to PF and C in this stage of his career.
IMO Horford is too slow to guard stretch-4s on the perimeter. I think in this stage of his career he is just a center.
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This summer we are going to add a quality free agent plus a top four pick.
Very exciting.
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Doncic and Fultz would be the most breathtaking back court
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Too early to know the top picks next year?
What names should I be looking up.
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Just want to be on page 1 of what is sure to be the longest thread next season.
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Just want to be on page 1 of what is sure to be the longest thread next season.
Almost, but no bananas. ;D
But I will join you on page two of the longest thread.
And for fun, I predict a bottom 6 finish for the nets. Woo woo. Look out lottery here we come!
;D
TP to all you page 2 guys from a page one guy. ;D
And there's nothing wrong with being a second banana!!!!!
Ha ha, reciprocal!! Of course 60's got on page 1!!!
My prediction: Nets finish with 4th worst record.
Bonus prediction: We get the number 1 pick out of it.
Think positive, baby..
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I'm worried that the Sac Kings give BKN some serious competition. And I didn't realize just how bad the Kings' front office has been until I saw all of the trades on one page, and it doesn't even list the Cousins trade.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2017/5/3/15531570/worst-trade-sacramento-kings-history-isaiah-thomas-jj-hickson-jimmer-fredette-philadelphia-76ers
Mike
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Too early to know the top picks next year?
What names should I be looking up.
Not too early at all. nbadraft.net is perfect but you get a sense of the top prospects here. The good thing is that the top has more bigs and less guards than this year. There is also a really intriguing Euro in Luka Doncic. Michael Porter getting a lot of pub as well. I'd compare him to a Chris Bosh type. Some say KG but he's not THAT good IMO.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
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Don't trade that pick.
There are some intriguing unicorns that appear available.
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I'm worried that the Sac Kings give BKN some serious competition. And I didn't realize just how bad the Kings' front office has been until I saw all of the trades on one page, and it doesn't even list the Cousins trade.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2017/5/3/15531570/worst-trade-sacramento-kings-history-isaiah-thomas-jj-hickson-jimmer-fredette-philadelphia-76ers
Mike
The kings at least have some prospects moving forward with Hield, Lab, WCS, and Papa plus two top 10 picks in this deep draft. They will be much better than Brooklyn just for actually having assets.
Now will they trade them away for almost nothing later on? Most likely.
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I'm worried that the Sac Kings give BKN some serious competition. And I didn't realize just how bad the Kings' front office has been until I saw all of the trades on one page, and it doesn't even list the Cousins trade.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2017/5/3/15531570/worst-trade-sacramento-kings-history-isaiah-thomas-jj-hickson-jimmer-fredette-philadelphia-76ers
Mike
The kings at least have some prospects moving forward with Hield, Lab, WCS, and Papa plus two top 10 picks in this deep draft. They will be much better than Brooklyn just for actually having assets.
Now will they trade them away for almost nothing later on? Most likely.
I'm not concerned about anything after this upcoming season. I need their prospects to get good this year. Not sure about that one.
Mike
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Too early to know the top picks next year?
What names should I be looking up.
Not too early at all. nbadraft.net is perfect but you get a sense of the top prospects here. The good thing is that the top has more bigs and less guards than this year. There is also a really intriguing Euro in Luka Doncic. Michael Porter getting a lot of pub as well. I'd compare him to a Chris Bosh type. Some say KG but he's not THAT good IMO.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
Um you're leaving out the bigs, imo the top 3 right now are Ayton, Porter and Bamba (Doncic is 4th in my list). Btw mods please pin this thread
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Celtics should use this pick to select a big.
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I think it would be a surprise if the Nets dont finish in the bottom 8. Even if they aggressively spend this offseason. We should be able to get a pretty legit player in that range.
Suns/Knicks/Magic/Nets/Kings and lakers should all be in a fight in the bottom.
If the Bulls or Pacers blow it up add them too. Next year is a playoff year for the 76ers
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I think it would be a surprise if the Nets dont finish in the bottom 8. Even if they aggressively spend this offseason. We should be able to get a pretty legit player in that range.
Suns/Knicks/Magic/Nets/Kings and lakers should all be in a fight in the bottom.
If the Bulls or Pacers blow it up add them too. Next year is a playoff year for the 76ers
The lakers would not be tanking because their pick is unprotected next year. Let's hope the Nets whiff in the draft and FA and let Lopez and Lin go for peanuts
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I think it would be a surprise if the Nets dont finish in the bottom 8. Even if they aggressively spend this offseason. We should be able to get a pretty legit player in that range.
Suns/Knicks/Magic/Nets/Kings and lakers should all be in a fight in the bottom.
If the Bulls or Pacers blow it up add them too. Next year is a playoff year for the 76ers
The lakers would not be tanking because their pick is unprotected next year. Let's hope the Nets whiff in the draft and FA and let Lopez and Lin go for peanuts
True only if they keep their pick this year, right?
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It's the farewell season for Nets watching. Sad. :( So far, thank you for James Young, Jaylen Brown and the most 2017 lottery ping pong balls!
Lopez has to go in a trade though. I hope...
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So, what is the probability that Lopez is traded at the draft? It has to be pretty high, right? I don't see them having much of a chance (or desire) to resign him at this point.
Who could be some possibilities? Would Charlotte be a possibility with the 11th pick and some other assets? That would be interesting: Kemba, Batum, MKG, Williams, and Lopez. They'd probably have to give up more assets to get him, though, because they'd probably have to send Plumlee and probably Sessions (team option, I believe) to match.
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Even if the nets are better, some players in the middle and late lottery are still good. Wendell Carter (projected 12th pick) is compared to al horford http://www.nbadraft.net/players/wendell-carter
And with the 27th pick we can still get someone strong like Grayson allen. But we got a long way until this draft lol
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Who are the Nets' biggest "competition" going to be next season?
The Sixers, Pistons, Lakers, and Timberwolves should all be at the stage of their rebuilds where they are trying to win games, even if they aren't yet contending. Plus the Lakers don't have their pick. No tanking here.
The Hornets, Mavericks, and Magic are all in weird places where their rosters aren't good enough but they have too much talent to tank or don't want to for other reasons. They'll probably make win-now moves this summer and won't be good but won't be tanking, either.
The Suns still aren't going to be good. They might not be tanking per se but unless a bunch of young guys make huge leaps, they'll be real bad.
I think the Kings are the surest competition for the bottom. If they're smart, they're going to save money this summer and play a lot of rookies and young guys next year while they still have a pick to tank for.
The biggest question marks, as I see it, are the Knicks, Bulls, Pacers, and Clippers. None are in a position to tank as of today but all are on the precipice of full on tanking if the wind breaks a certain way this summer.
If 2 of the big question mark teams wind up tanking and Suns and Kings are where I think they'll be, I can see at least 4 teams as bottom dwellers and there's always one surprise team that starts poorly and never recovers. If that's all true, I see that Nets in competition with 5 other teams for the bottom.
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So obviously there is a ton of variability in terms of where the Nets will go, but its hard to see how they dramatically improve. I hear KCP and Otto Porter tosses around a lot but both of those teams would match even a max offer. Beyond the restricted what free agent is going to want to go to that dumpster fire? There is less money to go around the last year but still a good number of teams have some cap space.
Do they trade Lopez? He is entering the last year of his deal so if you're gonna get something now would seem to be the time. That being said he's an old school center in a world when those just aren't that valuable. If you're only gonna get a late first for him maybe they don't bother.
Something to watch out for is the kind of deal where they take on salary in exchange for picks. In situations where you have a ton of cap room but no chance of using it this can be a way to get assets (Philadelphia did this to get Kings pick). Portland is an interesting partner, they are way into the tax and have 3 firsts this year. maybe they try to dump someone like Turner or Leonard.
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The refrain of the "Nets will be better" crowd (led by LarBrd in '16) is still based on faulty logic. It boils down to two main thoughts that are both proven false:
1. "They have no incentive to tank". Most teams don't tank until the final few weeks of the season and given bad teams lose most games anyway the total win difference between a tanking and a non-tanking team is generally about 3 - 4 wins or so. This of course discounts the "tank the season away" 76ers but that is really unpopular in league circles and isn't done often. They had no incentive to tank two years ago and wound up #3. They had no incentive to tank this year and wound up #1 in the lottery.
2. "They'll get Free Agents". There's three problems with this school of thought.
A. The first is that good FAs won't want to come to a train wreck. Remember LarBrd talking about the possibility of Durant going to Brooklyn? It was laughable then and it's not going to be any truer this year.
B. The second is that people tout the cap space Brooklyn has but fail to see the abundance of cap space on many teams. With the raise in the cap there are more teams bidding for FAs because more teams have the space. Given the limited number of decent Free Agents on the market there's no reason for a premier FA to get stuck with the Nets.
C. Brooklyn may make plays for RFAs but as we've seen teams will match offers on their RFAs. That may change a bit this year because of the number of role-playing RFAs hitting the market but RFAs don't move much. It's not a big worry.
That doesn't mean they won't improve as their roster is constructed (slightly) better than last year. But Lopez is in his last year and that's an asset the Nets are better off moving now rather than later so their overall talent level may actually be worse this year.
In short there's little reason to worry about the 2018 pick. It's almost certain to be another top 5.
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If anything Brooklyn could be worse, considering that Brook Lopez is coming into the last year of his contact, they may be tempted to move him. Although that might just be my inner optimist.
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Oh man, didn't see this coming. Might be watching the Lakers a lot this year. At least they're much more entertaining than the Nets are. LOL. I'm assuming they don't make the playoffs in the West.
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Oh man, didn't see this coming. Might be watching the Lakers a lot this year. At least they're much more entertaining than the Nets are. LOL. I'm assuming they don't make the playoffs in the West.
You can watch the Lakers all you want, but no one should start a Laker watch thread on this blog, LOL.
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Wonder who they will offer the max to? KCP or Otto?
P.S. If someone could pin this thread, that would be great! It's getting lost with all the busy offseason rumors/draft threads!
:D
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With all of the talent going out West...unfortunately I expect a bump to the Nets record.
As long as the pick is top ten, I'll be cool... :D
Outside of that...I'm bummed... :(
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I feel a 10-12 pick is legit ...which could be a center type you g big Noel Clone we need.
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atlanta indiana lakers nets sixers knicks magic kings are the worst teams
i trully think we have could have a top 5 pick... for the lakers pick i do not know
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How can you expect ten teams worse than tha Nets? It's illogical, almost insane (no offense intended).
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How can you look at this Roster and not conclude that they're the worst in the NBA??
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/brooklyn_nets/
Playing in the East will definitely give them a few more wins than they should have gotten, so as a result they may not finish with the worst record. But I'm pretty sure that as of today they are the worst team in the NBA.
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Would be amazing - and gut-wrenching - if we're sitting here 9 months from now watching to see if RRK or LAL finishes with the worst record.
With 2 good shots, there's a very good chance we get a top 4 pick.
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atlanta indiana lakers nets sixers knicks magic kings are the worst teams
i trully think we have could have a top 5 pick... for the lakers pick i do not know
The Bulls should be awful too. The Suns, Mavs, even the Jazz if they lose Hayward could be in the lottery.
It may be harder this year to get a top 5 pick. :(
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atlanta indiana lakers nets sixers knicks magic kings are the worst teams
i trully think we have could have a top 5 pick... for the lakers pick i do not know
The Bulls should be awful too. The Suns, Mavs, even the Jazz if they lose Hayward could be in the lottery.
It may be harder this year to get a top 5 pick. :(
Jazz will not be tanking regardless. Mavs have too many actual players and too much pride to out-right tank.
Pacers/Bulls/Kings/Suns/Nets/Lakers/Magic/Knicks will be bottom 7 in no particular order. We own two of those teams picks so I like our odds at getting at least one top 4 pick.
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How can you look at this Roster and not conclude that they're the worst in the NBA??
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/brooklyn_nets/
Playing in the East will definitely give them a few more wins than they should have gotten, so as a result they may not finish with the worst record. But I'm pretty sure that as of today they are the worst team in the NBA.
Unquestionably. They traded their best player for a PG who is redundant to Lin too. They should take on some bad contracts like Noah and accumulate picks.
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Agree they're the worst
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How can you look at this Roster and not conclude that they're the worst in the NBA??
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/brooklyn_nets/
Playing in the East will definitely give them a few more wins than they should have gotten, so as a result they may not finish with the worst record. But I'm pretty sure that as of today they are the worst team in the NBA.
Unquestionably. They traded their best player for a PG who is redundant to Lin too. They should take on some bad contracts like Noah and accumulate picks.
Hawks' about to look bad too
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Brooklyn was the worst team in the league last year and they've gotten worse.
The threat is not their improvement but the aggressive suckage of teams like sacramento Atlanta and Chicago.
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Hawks nets pacers are the worst teams
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atlanta indiana lakers nets sixers knicks magic kings are the worst teams
i trully think we have could have a top 5 pick... for the lakers pick i do not know
The Bulls should be awful too. The Suns, Mavs, even the Jazz if they lose Hayward could be in the lottery.
It may be harder this year to get a top 5 pick. :(
Jazz will not be tanking regardless. Mavs have too many actual players and too much pride to out-right tank.
Pacers/Bulls/Kings/Suns/Nets/Lakers/Magic/Knicks will be bottom 7 in no particular order. We own two of those teams picks so I like our odds at getting at least one top 4 pick.
The Lakers will try to give a good impression for the free agent class in 2018 and they've traded for the BEST Brooklyn player. They have either no reason to tank, so I expect them to be better than the Nets. Plus, they have more (very raw) talent in Ball + Ingram than all the Nets.
The Suns have Chriss, Booker, Bender and Josh Jackson. With some veterans (some of them to be traded) like Bledsoe, Knight or Chandler, they are way better than the Nets.
The Kings have nice young players like Fox, Labissiere, Hield, Justin Jackson or Cauley-Stein who, while they are not the eighth wonder, they are far more talented than the Nets core. I'm not talking about the possibility of a good Harry Giles as well.
The Knicks have Porzingis. The Magics have Isaac. The rest of those teams are going nowhere.
What I'm trying to show is that the Nets have a very good option to be top-3 in next years' draft, and reading people they'll have like 10 (even 12) worse teams than them has no sense at all. And they don't seem to be getting any of the big free agents, obviously.
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Thank you to Washington for retaining Otto Porter. The remaining free agent list doesn't look good.
So, what is the probability that Lopez is traded at the draft? It has to be pretty high, right? I don't see them having much of a chance (or desire) to resign him at this point.
Nice.
But Lopez is in his last year and that's an asset the Nets are better off moving now rather than later so their overall talent level may actually be worse this year.
Brooklyn may make plays for RFAs but as we've seen teams will match offers on their RFAs. That may change a bit this year because of the number of role-playing RFAs hitting the market but RFAs don't move much. It's not a big worry.
So far, so good.
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Thank you to Washington for retaining Otto Porter. The remaining free agent list doesn't look good.
So, what is the probability that Lopez is traded at the draft? It has to be pretty high, right? I don't see them having much of a chance (or desire) to resign him at this point.
Nice.
But Lopez is in his last year and that's an asset the Nets are better off moving now rather than later so their overall talent level may actually be worse this year.
Brooklyn may make plays for RFAs but as we've seen teams will match offers on their RFAs. That may change a bit this year because of the number of role-playing RFAs hitting the market but RFAs don't move much. It's not a big worry.
So far, so good.
Sauce?
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Thank you to Washington for retaining Otto Porter. The remaining free agent list doesn't look good.
So, what is the probability that Lopez is traded at the draft? It has to be pretty high, right? I don't see them having much of a chance (or desire) to resign him at this point.
Nice.
But Lopez is in his last year and that's an asset the Nets are better off moving now rather than later so their overall talent level may actually be worse this year.
Brooklyn may make plays for RFAs but as we've seen teams will match offers on their RFAs. That may change a bit this year because of the number of role-playing RFAs hitting the market but RFAs don't move much. It's not a big worry.
So far, so good.
Sauce?
Should have written that they are expected to.
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/882425876306067456
https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/882419644237328384
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Otto Porter will make more salary than LeBron and a touch under Durant.
Wowzer. It seemed not long ago that he might not be an NBA player
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Shouldn't this be in Around the NBA like last year?
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Shouldn't this be in Around the NBA like last year?
Really don't like posting the non-official thread either..
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The refrain of the "Nets will be better" crowd (led by LarBrd in '16) is still based on faulty logic. It boils down to two main thoughts that are both proven false:
1. "They have no incentive to tank". Most teams don't tank until the final few weeks of the season and given bad teams lose most games anyway the total win difference between a tanking and a non-tanking team is generally about 3 - 4 wins or so. This of course discounts the "tank the season away" 76ers but that is really unpopular in league circles and isn't done often. They had no incentive to tank two years ago and wound up #3. They had no incentive to tank this year and wound up #1 in the lottery.
2. "They'll get Free Agents". There's three problems with this school of thought.
A. The first is that good FAs won't want to come to a train wreck. Remember LarBrd talking about the possibility of Durant going to Brooklyn? It was laughable then and it's not going to be any truer this year.
B. The second is that people tout the cap space Brooklyn has but fail to see the abundance of cap space on many teams. With the raise in the cap there are more teams bidding for FAs because more teams have the space. Given the limited number of decent Free Agents on the market there's no reason for a premier FA to get stuck with the Nets.
C. Brooklyn may make plays for RFAs but as we've seen teams will match offers on their RFAs. That may change a bit this year because of the number of role-playing RFAs hitting the market but RFAs don't move much. It's not a big worry.
That doesn't mean they won't improve as their roster is constructed (slightly) better than last year. But Lopez is in his last year and that's an asset the Nets are better off moving now rather than later so their overall talent level may actually be worse this year.
In short there's little reason to worry about the 2018 pick. It's almost certain to be another top 5.
Yeah, I still feel good about this.
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while it is not ideal seeing anybody with any talent whatsoever join the Nets I can honestly say that giving Otto Potter a max is going to be the next decision they regret. Even with him I definitely still feel they are the worst team in the NBA.
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Washington will match.
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while it is not ideal seeing anybody with any talent whatsoever join the Nets I can honestly say that giving Otto Potter a max is going to be the next decision they regret. Even with him I definitely still feel they are the worst team in the NBA.
Well, luckily we'll never have to know since the Wizards are expected to match.
Maybe the Nets can sign Caldwell-Pope for a max instead.
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while it is not ideal seeing anybody with any talent whatsoever join the Nets I can honestly say that giving Otto Potter a max is going to be the next decision they regret. Even with him I definitely still feel they are the worst team in the NBA.
Well, luckily we'll never have to know since the Wizards are expected to match.
Maybe the Nets can sign Caldwell-Pope for a max instead.
I'd be surprised if Washington matches, can't imagine Wall wants him and can't imagine Potter wants to be there after Walls comments.. but I suppose if there are no better options they might.
Personally I think Gay might be the better option for Washington at this point.
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Adrian Wojnarowski@wojespn
Detroit is renouncing Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, league source tells ESPN.
Assuming Washington matches on Otto Porter sheet, Brooklyn will be a strong contender in the pursuit of Caldwell-Pope, sources tell ESPN.
Bad news for our Brooklyn pick. Keep up the good work Danny boy.
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what do you all think will be their rotation?
also if this could be moved to Around the NBA that'd be swell, thnx :D
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Adrian Wojnarowski@wojespn
Detroit is renouncing Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, league source tells ESPN.
Assuming Washington matches on Otto Porter sheet, Brooklyn will be a strong contender in the pursuit of Caldwell-Pope, sources tell ESPN.
Bad news for our Brooklyn pick. Keep up the good work Danny boy.
Yeah Im hoping KCP goes to the Lakers...
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Adrian Wojnarowski@wojespn
Detroit is renouncing Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, league source tells ESPN.
Assuming Washington matches on Otto Porter sheet, Brooklyn will be a strong contender in the pursuit of Caldwell-Pope, sources tell ESPN.
Bad news for our Brooklyn pick. Keep up the good work Danny boy.
Yeah Im hoping KCP goes to the Lakers...
Would be nice, but can't imagine that the Lakers are going to want to tie up cap space for him, and Brooklyn will no doubt offer him big, long-term money.
They'll still suck, but they'll definitely have competition for the bottom.
Mike
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while it is not ideal seeing anybody with any talent whatsoever join the Nets I can honestly say that giving Otto Potter a max is going to be the next decision they regret. Even with him I definitely still feel they are the worst team in the NBA.
Well, luckily we'll never have to know since the Wizards are expected to match.
Maybe the Nets can sign Caldwell-Pope for a max instead.
I'd be surprised if Washington matches, can't imagine Wall wants him and can't imagine Potter wants to be there after Walls comments.. but I suppose if there are no better options they might.
Personally I think Gay might be the better option for Washington at this point.
what did Wall say?
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Washington will match.
And they do. TP.
I can't think of ANY decent FAs left willing to go there.
Lakers pick will be fun, but this thread will be a warm bath
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19927995/washington-wizards-match-brooklyn-nets-offer-otto-porter-jr
Washington matches Otto Porter Jr, bringing us 1 step closer to Michael Porter Jr. Lol
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Washington will match.
And they do. TP.
I can't think of ANY decent FAs left willing to go there.
Lakers pick will be fun, but this thread will be a warm bath
KCP will probably end up a Net.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
looks like the nets are tanking again (but forgot we have their pick. ) it's a contract dump. The nets accepting a bad contract in exchange for picks. Carroll isn't very good. He actually had 0 PPG in 2010 lol
Last year he had less rebounds and less assists than Marcus Morris, but got paid twice as much.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
looks like the nets are tanking again (but forgot we have their pick. ) it's a contract dump. The nets accepting a bad contract in exchange for picks. Carroll isn't very good. He actually had 0 PPG in 2010 lol
Yup he sucks this doesn't move the needle at all
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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already, but I think a big wild card for the Nets success next season is Caris LeVert. He made some good progress last year and could turn out to be pretty good.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yeah, pretty questionable move on their part. Granted, it's not like they're competing right now anyways, so whatever it takes to get those extra firsts, I guess.
The best news, though, is that this more than likely takes them out of the KCP sweepstakes, because I believe this only leaves them with about $16M or so available in cap space. They must've felt that they had no shot at him. And with LA more than likely going to miss out on him by only offering single year contracts, this could be excellent news for us.
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That Carroll signing, and the wizards taking back Otto porter from nets puts us a few steps closer to one of our 2018 guys
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/o2UQOoZo1Ibc49XQFs5_Fc3Dww4=/0x0:5472x3648/1200x800/filters:focal(2241x1426:3115x2300)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53989053/usa_today_9972533.0.jpg)
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Wow, apparently the pick is lottery protected for 2018, too. Lol
Reaaaallllllyyy questionable trade, I'd say.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yup, you are correct. TP. I always mix up the Raptors players.
Better him than KCP.
Mike
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Wow, apparently the pick is lottery protected for 2018, too. Lol
Reaaaallllllyyy questionable trade, I'd say.
nets being the nets. Raptors probably couldn't believe it when the nets accepted the dump for some protected picks lol
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yup, you are correct. TP. I always mix up the Raptors players.
Better him than KCP.
Mike
Unfortunately, they probably still have enough for KCP.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yeah, pretty questionable move on their part. Granted, it's not like they're competing right now anyways, so whatever it takes to get those extra firsts, I guess.
The best news, though, is that this more than likely takes them out of the KCP sweepstakes, because I believe this only leaves them with about $16M or so available in cap space. They must've felt that they had no shot at him. And with LA more than likely going to miss out on him by only offering single year contracts, this could be excellent news for us.
See, I think it's actually another savvy move from Marks. He just bought a pick in the 20-22 range (and a second) for $30M, and he's bringing in a great veteran presence (who his coach loves).
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https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/883384868612096001
Pistons' highest offer to Kentavious Caldwell-Pope was 5 years, $80 million, per source. Salary "wasn't even close" to what KCP is seeking.
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So can they still offer KCP?
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yeah, pretty questionable move on their part. Granted, it's not like they're competing right now anyways, so whatever it takes to get those extra firsts, I guess.
The best news, though, is that this more than likely takes them out of the KCP sweepstakes, because I believe this only leaves them with about $16M or so available in cap space. They must've felt that they had no shot at him. And with LA more than likely going to miss out on him by only offering single year contracts, this could be excellent news for us.
See, I think it's actually another savvy move from Marks. He just bought a pick in the 20-22 range (and a second) for $30M, and he's bringing in a great veteran presence (who his coach loves).
IMO this is a terrific move by Marks, just as the Lakers trade was.
The Nets needed to get creative with moves to try to create some assets to help them rebuild when they finally start getting their own picks in a couple years. Renting out cap space to desperate teams is a terrific strategy.
And who knows? Maybe Carroll actually plays well and the Nets can flip him for even more assets.
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https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/883384868612096001
Pistons' highest offer to Kentavious Caldwell-Pope was 5 years, $80 million, per source. Salary "wasn't even close" to what KCP is seeking.
True, but the market is changing daily. If someone offers him 16m now, I bet he takes it.
Mike
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yeah, pretty questionable move on their part. Granted, it's not like they're competing right now anyways, so whatever it takes to get those extra firsts, I guess.
The best news, though, is that this more than likely takes them out of the KCP sweepstakes, because I believe this only leaves them with about $16M or so available in cap space. They must've felt that they had no shot at him. And with LA more than likely going to miss out on him by only offering single year contracts, this could be excellent news for us.
See, I think it's actually another savvy move from Marks. He just bought a pick in the 20-22 range (and a second) for $30M, and he's bringing in a great veteran presence (who his coach loves).
IMO this is a terrific move by Marks, just as the Lakers trade was.
The Nets needed to get creative with moves to try to create some assets to help them rebuild when they finally start getting their own picks in a couple years. Renting out cap space to desperate teams is a terrific strategy.
And who knows? Maybe Carroll actually plays well and the Nets can flip him for even more assets.
Yep. All of that. In the meantime, I don't think Carroll helps them win games so we're still safe.
I feel a lot better rooting against them when I can look at deals like this and think they'll be in position to rebound after they've given us all their good picks. :)
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I agree this was a good move by the Nets. They desperately need picks/young assets and they're going to stink anyway the next couple years. Exactly what we did a few years ago when we took on Gerald Wallace (and got an additional pick from the Nets) when we traded away Pierce and Garnett.
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https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/883384868612096001
Pistons' highest offer to Kentavious Caldwell-Pope was 5 years, $80 million, per source. Salary "wasn't even close" to what KCP is seeking.
True, but the market is changing daily. If someone offers him 16m now, I bet he takes it.
Mike
Seeing on ESPN that KCP signed with the Lakers. Great news for the Brooklyn pick!
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I want Ayton and either Bagley or Porter
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I want Ayton and either Bagley or Porter
This guy knows. Never mind Luka Doncic.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yeah, pretty questionable move on their part. Granted, it's not like they're competing right now anyways, so whatever it takes to get those extra firsts, I guess.
The best news, though, is that this more than likely takes them out of the KCP sweepstakes, because I believe this only leaves them with about $16M or so available in cap space. They must've felt that they had no shot at him. And with LA more than likely going to miss out on him by only offering single year contracts, this could be excellent news for us.
See, I think it's actually another savvy move from Marks. He just bought a pick in the 20-22 range (and a second) for $30M, and he's bringing in a great veteran presence (who his coach loves).
How is buying a mid-late (non-lottery) first round pick for $30M a good move? I could understand a top-3 pick, maybe. A latter first just isn't worth anywhere near close to that.
Liked the Lakers trade for the Nets (long-term for them, but even more so for our pick next year), but not the Raptors trade.
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https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/883384868612096001
Pistons' highest offer to Kentavious Caldwell-Pope was 5 years, $80 million, per source. Salary "wasn't even close" to what KCP is seeking.
True, but the market is changing daily. If someone offers him 16m now, I bet he takes it.
Mike
Seeing on ESPN that KCP signed with the Lakers. Great news for the Brooklyn pick!
Woj now getting in on the act.
[dang], Nets literally cannot buy a decent team.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yeah, pretty questionable move on their part. Granted, it's not like they're competing right now anyways, so whatever it takes to get those extra firsts, I guess.
The best news, though, is that this more than likely takes them out of the KCP sweepstakes, because I believe this only leaves them with about $16M or so available in cap space. They must've felt that they had no shot at him. And with LA more than likely going to miss out on him by only offering single year contracts, this could be excellent news for us.
See, I think it's actually another savvy move from Marks. He just bought a pick in the 20-22 range (and a second) for $30M, and he's bringing in a great veteran presence (who his coach loves).
How is buying a mid-late (non-lottery) first round pick for $30M a good move? I could understand a top-3 pick, maybe. A latter first just isn't worth anywhere near close to that.
Liked the Lakers trade for the Nets (long-term for them, but even more so for our pick next year), but not the Raptors trade.
It's not that straightforward, though. In all likelihood, they're gonna be close to the salary floor, so a good chunk of that $15 million/year would likely have ended up being paid anyway (split evenly among the team's players or given to someone else in order to get above the floor). They also get, well, a player, so even if you figure he's as good as a minimum salary player that also takes ~$5 million off over two years.
So, really, they probably paid closer to $10 million for a first and second rounder (probably around the 23rd and 53rd picks), which is pretty good considering that the #38 pick this year got sold for $3.5 million
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I want Ayton and either Bagley or Porter
This guy knows. Never mind Luka Doncic.
You should watch him play before saying that.
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Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906848524578816
Aww !#$!#%$$!%$!!@#$
Mike
Why? Carroll's horrible now, which is why they were rewarded handsomely for taking him.
Yeah, pretty questionable move on their part. Granted, it's not like they're competing right now anyways, so whatever it takes to get those extra firsts, I guess.
The best news, though, is that this more than likely takes them out of the KCP sweepstakes, because I believe this only leaves them with about $16M or so available in cap space. They must've felt that they had no shot at him. And with LA more than likely going to miss out on him by only offering single year contracts, this could be excellent news for us.
See, I think it's actually another savvy move from Marks. He just bought a pick in the 20-22 range (and a second) for $30M, and he's bringing in a great veteran presence (who his coach loves).
How is buying a mid-late (non-lottery) first round pick for $30M a good move? I could understand a top-3 pick, maybe. A latter first just isn't worth anywhere near close to that.
Liked the Lakers trade for the Nets (long-term for them, but even more so for our pick next year), but not the Raptors trade.
It's not that straightforward, though. In all likelihood, they're gonna be close to the salary floor, so a good chunk of that $15 million/year would likely have ended up being paid anyway (split evenly among the team's players or given to someone else in order to get above the floor). They also get, well, a player, so even if you figure he's as good as a minimum salary player that also takes ~$5 million off over two years.
So, really, they probably paid closer to $10 million for a first and second rounder (probably around the 23rd and 53rd picks), which is pretty good considering that the #38 pick this year got sold for $3.5 million
And it's not like Brooklyn was using that cap space to sign anyone meaningful in next summer. Might as well get an asset of some kind.
Plus, as someone else said, there's always a chance Carroll feels healthier, plays a little better, and can be flipped for another assett later.
My question would be: why not?
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In that Bogdanovic trade with Washington, Andrew Nicholson looks like a bad contract that they took on along with the Wizards lottery protected pick (#22). He has 19.9 million and three years left.
Edit: Didn't realize the second rounder they got along with Carroll and the 1st is an early 2nd though.
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
Not the Kings, they've has a great off-season. Maybe not the Suns either.
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
Not the Kings, they've has a great off-season. Maybe not the Suns either.
I was going to say this, but the Kings' FO can always ruin things ;D
From what the rosters are now, it's quite safe to say we'll land a top-8 pick.
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
The Bulls should be pretty terrible.
I think the Suns/Kings will show some improvement as their young players grow (Suns) + FA additions they made (Kings).
Not sure where I stand with the Hawks. They won't be anywhere as good as last year but they still have some nice players (Schroder/Bazemore/Prince/Collins) and a good coach. Don't think they will be as bad as everyone thinks.
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BROOKLYN (July 21, 2017) – The Brooklyn Nets have signed Yakuba Ouattara to a two-way contract. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not released.
http://www.nba.com/nets/news/2017/07/21/nets-sign-yakuba-ouattara-two-way-contract
ESPN's Fran Fraschilla said the Brooklyn Nets are at @thetournament (in Brooklyn) today watching former #Buckeyes big man Jared Sullinger.
https://twitter.com/Dan_Hope/status/888802389435834368
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
.. And Pacers and Mavericks.
The Lakers will be bad, but I would bet they are 6-10 bad not 1-5 bad.
Again it's still a lottery though
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
.. And Pacers and Mavericks.
The Lakers will be bad, but I would bet they are 6-10 bad not 1-5 bad.
Again it's still a lottery though
Mavericks are significantly better than the Lakers. It's not even close.
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
.. And Pacers and Mavericks.
The Lakers will be bad, but I would bet they are 6-10 bad not 1-5 bad.
Again it's still a lottery though
Mavericks are significantly better than the Lakers. It's not even close.
People need to take a gander at the Lakers roster. They will be starting the worst defensive guard and C in the league. Brandon Ingram and Julius Randle will be relied on for heavy minutes and scoring. KCP will be their best 2-way player. They will be abysmal
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
.. And Pacers and Mavericks.
The Lakers will be bad, but I would bet they are 6-10 bad not 1-5 bad.
Again it's still a lottery though
Mavericks are significantly better than the Lakers. It's not even close.
I'm not seeing the Mavericks being a lot better than anyone. They have a rookie PG with Barnes as their #1 option, and a 39 year-old Dirk in the starting lineup. Noel clogging up the lane on offense. No bench (Seth Curry?).
Lonzo Ball ~ Dennis Smith
KCP ~ Barnes
Ingram ~ Matthews
Randle ~ 39 year-old Dirk
Lopez ~ Noel
Both teams should lose a lot of games, but I'm not seeing the big discrepancy between the two.
Lakers won 26 games last year and swapped Russell, Young, L Williams, Mozgov for Ball, KCP and Lopez. Randle, Ingram, Zubac should all be expected to only improve.
Mavericks won 33 games last year and swapped Deron Williams for Dennis Smith and more games with Noel (who I like, but really hurts to play as a starter with a weak offense).
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
.. And Pacers and Mavericks.
The Lakers will be bad, but I would bet they are 6-10 bad not 1-5 bad.
Again it's still a lottery though
Mavericks are significantly better than the Lakers. It's not even close.
I'm not seeing the Mavericks being a lot better than anyone. They have a rookie PG with Barnes as their #1 option, and a 39 year-old Dirk in the starting lineup. Noel clogging up the lane on offense. No bench (Seth Curry?).
Lonzo Ball ~ Dennis Smith
KCP ~ Barnes
Ingram ~ Matthews
Randle ~ 39 year-old Dirk
Lopez ~ Noel
Both teams should lose a lot of games, but I'm not seeing the big discrepancy between the two.
Lakers won 26 games last year and swapped Russell, Young, L Williams, Mozgov for Ball, KCP and Lopez. Randle, Ingram, Zubac should all be expected to only improve.
Mavericks won 33 games last year and swapped Deron Williams for Dennis Smith and more games with Noel (who I like, but really hurts to play as a starter with a weak offense).
Lakers overchieved last year given their league-worst defense. They won 5-6 more games than they should have. I'd say 28 wins is their ceiling this year unless the D radically improves..
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
.. And Pacers and Mavericks.
The Lakers will be bad, but I would bet they are 6-10 bad not 1-5 bad.
Again it's still a lottery though
Mavericks are significantly better than the Lakers. It's not even close.
People need to take a gander at the Lakers roster. They will be starting the worst defensive guard and C in the league. Brandon Ingram and Julius Randle will be relied on for heavy minutes and scoring. KCP will be their best 2-way player. They will be abysmal
Lopez is an above average center, and an upgrade from Mozgov, even if defense isn't his primary trait. Ball should be no worse than Russell. KCP is an upgrade from Nick Young and Louis Williams. Ingram and Randle got heavy minutes last year.
I hope they bomb, but they are better than last year's 26 win team.
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
.. And Pacers and Mavericks.
The Lakers will be bad, but I would bet they are 6-10 bad not 1-5 bad.
Again it's still a lottery though
Mavericks are significantly better than the Lakers. It's not even close.
I'm not seeing the Mavericks being a lot better than anyone. They have a rookie PG with Barnes as their #1 option, and a 39 year-old Dirk in the starting lineup. Noel clogging up the lane on offense. No bench (Seth Curry?).
Lonzo Ball ~ Dennis Smith
KCP ~ Barnes
Ingram ~ Matthews
Randle ~ 39 year-old Dirk
Lopez ~ Noel
Both teams should lose a lot of games, but I'm not seeing the big discrepancy between the two.
Lakers won 26 games last year and swapped Russell, Young, L Williams, Mozgov for Ball, KCP and Lopez. Randle, Ingram, Zubac should all be expected to only improve.
Mavericks won 33 games last year and swapped Deron Williams for Dennis Smith and more games with Noel (who I like, but really hurts to play as a starter with a weak offense).
Lakers overchieved last year given their league-worst defense. They won 5-6 more games than they should have. I'd say 28 wins is their ceiling this year unless the D radically improves..
I think 5-6 games is a stretch, but I see your point. Some teams have more volatility that the stats would predict. So maybe they are 5-10 games more talented this year, but their luck may even out in the other direction.
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Magic got better with simmons signing. Magic were one of only 3-4 teams that I thought would be worse than the Lakers (even with KCP). Nets and Bulls are the only teams that are clearly worse than the Lakers now imo.
Hawks? Bulls? Suns? Kings?
.. And Pacers and Mavericks.
The Lakers will be bad, but I would bet they are 6-10 bad not 1-5 bad.
Again it's still a lottery though
Mavericks are significantly better than the Lakers. It's not even close.
People need to take a gander at the Lakers roster. They will be starting the worst defensive guard and C in the league. Brandon Ingram and Julius Randle will be relied on for heavy minutes and scoring. KCP will be their best 2-way player. They will be abysmal
Lopez is an above average center, and an upgrade from Mozgov, even if defense isn't his primary trait. Ball should be no worse than Russell. KCP is an upgrade from Nick Young and Louis Williams. Ingram and Randle got heavy minutes last year.
I hope they bomb, but they are better than last year's 26 win team.
Doubtful unless their D improves massively. The leagues worst defensive team averages about 20 wins in the NBA. 2nd and 3rd worst average 24. Something special will need to happen for them to climb out of the bottom 3
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Doubtful unless their D improves massively. The leagues worst defensive team averages about 20 wins in the NBA. 2nd and 3rd worst average 24. Something special will need to happen for them to climb out of the bottom 3
That something special might be losing Russell, (-2.2 DPM), Louis Williams (-2.1 DPM) and Nick Young (-2.2 DPM). Clarkson is still there, but having 4 awful defenders sure didn't help the backcourt.
Those three guys played ~80MPG last year for the Lakers and were arguably the worst defensive guards in the league, now replaced with KCP and Ball.
Lopez FWIW has been about neutral on defense, not terrible- and is definitely a bigger net positive than Mozgov. He defends the rim well at least.
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Doubtful unless their D improves massively. The leagues worst defensive team averages about 20 wins in the NBA. 2nd and 3rd worst average 24. Something special will need to happen for them to climb out of the bottom 3
That something special might be losing Russell, (-2.2 DPM), Louis Williams (-2.1 DPM) and Nick Young (-2.2 DPM). Clarkson is still there, but having 4 awful defenders sure didn't help the backcourt.
Those three guys played ~80MPG last year for the Lakers and were arguably the worst defensive guards in the league, now replaced with KCP and Ball.
Lopez FWIW has been about neutral on defense, not terrible- and is definitely a bigger net positive than Mozgov. He defends the rim well at least.
Ball will be far and away the worst defensive guard in the league this year, might not even be able to stay on the court. He will be put in P&Rs every game and tortured until Walton will have no choice but to put in whatever scrub they sign off the scrap heap as his back-up.
KCP to me just isnt the elite defender hes made out to be but he will be a help. Hiding Ball with KCP may work but I'd guess teams will just force switches until they have Ball on an island, and a clear path to the hoop. Lopez may also help but the problem is the Lakers were so bad defensively it will take a quantum leap to get out of the basement, like signing a prime Scottie Pippen and KG
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IDK, I'm somewhat more worried about the Nets than Lakers. The bottom of the east is bad, probably worse than the past couple years. The Hawks, Pacers, Bulls, and Knicks (if they trade Melo) maybe a surprise team like the Pistons or Magic could all challenge the Nets for worst team in the east. Especially if they sell off veterans for picks by the trade deadline and tank the rest of the season in a loaded top 5 draft.
Yes, with all things being equal the Lakers have a better team than the Nets, but they play most of their games in a stacked western conference where it appears even the other non playoff teams Nuggets, Wolves, Pelicans, Mavs, even the Kings and Suns have improved. I could see the Jazz falling apart. I can't see the Lakers record being much better than last year.
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Ball will be far and away the worst defensive guard in the league this year, might not even be able to stay on the court. He will be put in P&Rs every game and tortured until Walton will have no choice but to put in whatever scrub they sign off the scrap heap as his back-up.
KCP to me just isnt the elite defender hes made out to be but he will be a help. Hiding Ball with KCP may work but I'd guess teams will just force switches until they have Ball on an island, and a clear path to the hoop. Lopez may also help but the problem is the Lakers were so bad defensively it will take a quantum leap to get out of the basement, like signing a prime Scottie Pippen and KG
What evidence do you have that Ball will be a worse defender than Russell, Young, Clarkson or Williams? Those 4 were historically bad, averaging 11 boards, 4 steals and 1 block in 108 MPG combined and every one of them -2 DPM or worse. Ball is likely to exceed every one of them in rebounds, steals and blocks and is the tallest of the bunch for switching on SGs. Not saying he'll be a great defender, but I don't see any reason he'd be worse than any of them. His backup is going to be Clarkson, or possibly Josh Hart who went in the 1st round.
KCP could be overrated defensively, but he's at least 2 steps above any of those guys as well.
If the Lakers signed a prime KG they'd make the playoffs. As it is, their defense should improve.
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Will just say that we are getting two top 5 picks next year. No doubt in my mind, regardless of all the drama that will occur in this thread during next season. Brooklyn and LA are just that bad.
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Will just say that we are getting two top 5 picks next year. No doubt in my mind, regardless of all the drama that will occur in this thread during next season. Brooklyn and LA are just that bad.
I am being the pessimist here, but what is the best case scenario for our lottery %? BRK first and LAL 2nd? There still are 1/5 (19.9%) chances LAL gets the first pick. The chances that this combines with BRK getting the 4th (35.7) are roughly 1/15.
Even with the best season results, there is a significant chance we end up being disappointed, assuming the expectation is what I've read repeatedly in the Forums these days (two top 5 picks).
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Will just say that we are getting two top 5 picks next year. No doubt in my mind, regardless of all the drama that will occur in this thread during next season. Brooklyn and LA are just that bad.
I am being the pessimist here, but what is the best case scenario for our lottery %? BRK first and LAL 2nd? There still are 1/5 (19.9%) chances LAL gets the first pick. The chances that this combines with BRK getting the 4th (35.7) are roughly 1/15.
Even with the best season results, there is a significant chance we end up being disappointed, assuming the expectation is what I've read repeatedly in the Forums these days (two top 5 picks).
If Brooklyn is worst and LA is second worst, we'd have an 80% chance at 2 top 5 picks.
I feel pretty confident that Brooklyn will be no better than the third worst team in the league. Locking them into a top 6 selection. Where LA goes is a bigger question mark.
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Will just say that we are getting two top 5 picks next year. No doubt in my mind, regardless of all the drama that will occur in this thread during next season. Brooklyn and LA are just that bad.
I am being the pessimist here, but what is the best case scenario for our lottery %? BRK first and LAL 2nd? There still are 1/5 (19.9%) chances LAL gets the first pick. The chances that this combines with BRK getting the 4th (35.7) are roughly 1/15.
Even with the best season results, there is a significant chance we end up being disappointed, assuming the expectation is what I've read repeatedly in the Forums these days (two top 5 picks).
Clearly we want BKN #1. Nothing to lose there, as it's the best pick possible and anything top-3 is guaranteed to stay top-6 anyway.
Lakers as high as possible but theoretically #3 or #4 could be more "safe" in terms of conveyance.
#1 pick: 25% chance of #1, 75% chance of 2-4
#2 pick: 20% chance of #1, 80% chance of 2-5
#3 pick: 16% chance of #1, 84% chance of 2-6
#4 pick: 12% chance of #1, 86% chance of 2-6, 2% chance of #7*
* Roughly:
28% chance of 1st pick going to any team in 5-14 position
~25% chance of the next pick doing the same
~23% chance of the next pick doing the same
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^ good points. Will post in Lakers thread
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Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.
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since the GM change the Nets are doing really good job, they are headed into the right direction
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Great move by both teams
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Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.
can someone tell me why brooklyn did this? unless there's a pick involved, why did they want to just absorb the crabbe contract?
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Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.
can someone tell me why brooklyn did this? unless there's a pick involved, why did they want to just absorb the crabbe contract?
because they can not use their cap space on better player, it's not like star players are lining to play for the Nets. Crabbe is a nice player who will get more minutes there and he will be very useful in building their young core. Plus Boston owns their 18 pick so no point in tanking.
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Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.
can someone tell me why brooklyn did this? unless there's a pick involved, why did they want to just absorb the crabbe contract?
Because they think Allen Crabbe is a good basketball player, and they'll be paying him a net of $12 million a year (when you take the difference of his contract and Nicholson's). They think Crabbe is worth $12 million a year (approximately) for three more years.
I mostly agree. Much more upside than downside at his age, and you might discover he's ready for a leading role. And if he's not, he's reasonably paid for a 6th man.
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Will just say that we are getting two top 5 picks next year. No doubt in my mind, regardless of all the drama that will occur in this thread during next season. Brooklyn and LA are just that bad.
I am being the pessimist here, but what is the best case scenario for our lottery %? BRK first and LAL 2nd? There still are 1/5 (19.9%) chances LAL gets the first pick. The chances that this combines with BRK getting the 4th (35.7) are roughly 1/15.
Even with the best season results, there is a significant chance we end up being disappointed, assuming the expectation is what I've read repeatedly in the Forums these days (two top 5 picks).
Clearly we want BKN #1. Nothing to lose there, as it's the best pick possible and anything top-3 is guaranteed to stay top-6 anyway.
Lakers as high as possible but theoretically #3 or #4 #1 could would be more "safe" deliciously satisfying in terms of conveyance should their pick slide to #2 while the Nets jump to the top pick.
#1 pick: 25% chance of #1, 75% chance of 2-4
#2 pick: 20% chance of #1, 80% chance of 2-5
#3 pick: 16% chance of #1, 84% chance of 2-6
#4 pick: 12% chance of #1, 86% chance of 2-6, 2% chance of #7*
* Roughly:
28% chance of 1st pick going to any team in 5-14 position
~25% chance of the next pick doing the same
~23% chance of the next pick doing the same
there, fixed it for you
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Will just say that we are getting two top 5 picks next year. No doubt in my mind, regardless of all the drama that will occur in this thread during next season. Brooklyn and LA are just that bad.
I am being the pessimist here, but what is the best case scenario for our lottery %? BRK first and LAL 2nd? There still are 1/5 (19.9%) chances LAL gets the first pick. The chances that this combines with BRK getting the 4th (35.7) are roughly 1/15.
Even with the best season results, there is a significant chance we end up being disappointed, assuming the expectation is what I've read repeatedly in the Forums these days (two top 5 picks).
Clearly we want BKN #1. Nothing to lose there, as it's the best pick possible and anything top-3 is guaranteed to stay top-6 anyway.
Lakers as high as possible but theoretically #3 or #4 #1 could would be more "safe" deliciously satisfying in terms of conveyance should their pick slide to #2 while the Nets jump to the top pick.
#1 pick: 25% chance of #1, 75% chance of 2-4
#2 pick: 20% chance of #1, 80% chance of 2-5
#3 pick: 16% chance of #1, 84% chance of 2-6
#4 pick: 12% chance of #1, 86% chance of 2-6, 2% chance of #7*
* Roughly:
28% chance of 1st pick going to any team in 5-14 position
~25% chance of the next pick doing the same
~23% chance of the next pick doing the same
there, fixed it for you
Looks like it's going to be a combined BKN and LAL lottery watch thread this year.
Mike
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said)
They just added another player Allen Crabbe to the mix. They will have a better bench.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said)
They just added another player Allen Crabbe to the mix. They will have a better bench.
LOL at the worst team in the league having a "better bench".
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said)
They just added another player Allen Crabbe to the mix. They will have a better bench.
LOL at the worst team in the league having a "better bench".
Haha, yeah. Although if Crabbe isn't starting I don't know why they made this trade.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said)
They just added another player Allen Crabbe to the mix. They will have a better bench.
The kids is deadly for 3 pt. 44% last season and he played in 79 games! It's an ugly contract for a pretty good player. Does make them better, unfortunately.
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As long as it's a top 10 pick...I'm good.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said)
They just added another player Allen Crabbe to the mix. They will have a better bench.
The kids is deadly for 3 pt. 44% last season and he played in 79 games! It's an ugly contract for a pretty good player. Does make them better, unfortunately.
Still a terrible team.
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Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.
can someone tell me why brooklyn did this? unless there's a pick involved, why did they want to just absorb the crabbe contract?
Because they think Allen Crabbe is a good basketball player, and they'll be paying him a net of $12 million a year (when you take the difference of his contract and Nicholson's). They think Crabbe is worth $12 million a year (approximately) for three more years.
I mostly agree. Much more upside than downside at his age, and you might discover he's ready for a leading role. And if he's not, he's reasonably paid for a 6th man.
It shouldn't be much of a surprise. They gave Crabbe an offer sheet for the same contract last offseason, so they clearly thought he was worth it (yes, they expected Portland to match when they made the offer, but I can't see Marks risking the team's cap long term unless he was willing to pay that contract)
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Will just say that we are getting two top 5 picks next year. No doubt in my mind, regardless of all the drama that will occur in this thread during next season. Brooklyn and LA are just that bad.
I am being the pessimist here, but what is the best case scenario for our lottery %? BRK first and LAL 2nd? There still are 1/5 (19.9%) chances LAL gets the first pick. The chances that this combines with BRK getting the 4th (35.7) are roughly 1/15.
Even with the best season results, there is a significant chance we end up being disappointed, assuming the expectation is what I've read repeatedly in the Forums these days (two top 5 picks).
Clearly we want BKN #1. Nothing to lose there, as it's the best pick possible and anything top-3 is guaranteed to stay top-6 anyway.
Lakers as high as possible but theoretically #3 or #4 could be more "safe" in terms of conveyance.
#1 pick: 25% chance of #1, 75% chance of 2-4
#2 pick: 20% chance of #1, 80% chance of 2-5
#3 pick: 16% chance of #1, 84% chance of 2-6
#4 pick: 12% chance of #1, 86% chance of 2-6, 2% chance of #7*
* Roughly:
28% chance of 1st pick going to any team in 5-14 position
~25% chance of the next pick doing the same
~23% chance of the next pick doing the same
Why include the chance that it's 2-6? We only get it if it's 2-5
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said)
They just added another player Allen Crabbe to the mix. They will have a better bench.
LOL at the worst team in the league having a "better bench".
Benchs win games ask Cleveland when they were beat by Atlanta's bench. The Celtics Bench won us some games last year, too
The Nets are going to surprise some people. They upgraded and got rid of a bad contract. Marks is a smart cookie. After this year I hope the do great!!! This could cause us no. 5 instead of 4.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said)
They just added another player Allen Crabbe to the mix. They will have a better bench.
LOL at the worst team in the league having a "better bench".
Benchs win games ask Cleveland when they were beat by Atlanta's bench. The Celtics Bench won us some games last year, too
The Nets are going to surprise some people. They upgraded and got rid of a bad contract. Marks is a smart cookie. After this year I hope the do great!!! This could cause us no. 5 instead of 4.
LOL what on earth. Crabbe is a garbage contract that Portland unloaded on these poor saps and the Nets didnt even get a pick out of it. If the Celtics made this trash trade Ainge would be getting murdered.
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Crabbe, Russell and LeVert are 3 pretty good offensive players.
RHJ is as pretty good player.
The talent is getting better....no defense, though.,
I think they have only 2 guys over 6'8, Mozgov and Jarrett Allen. One's a dinosaur and the other a young rookie who didn't play up to his early season hype at UT and got off to a slow start.
Allen did have a MONSTER game vs Kansas (22/19) once conference play started, but he is at least a year away from helping, which is good for us.
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Is anyone else nervous about our Nets pick?
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Is anyone else nervous about our Nets pick?
LOL. Nets will win less than 20 games. REEEELLLLAAAXXXXX
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Is anyone else nervous about our Nets pick?
I'm sure some are, but I'm not. Nets will be a bottom 3 team. We will get a top 5 pick in a class with 5 great prospects.
I mean, the Celtics are big enough to beat the Nets on the interior, and that's not being complimentary to our front court. They'll win some games because their strategy of chuck 40 3's a game will find a few nights when 18 go in, but on the whole, they have not significantly improved from last year's terrible team.
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Is anyone else nervous about our Nets pick?
Not me.
I'm surprised the Nets couldn't get Portland to give up a pick as well.
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Indiana, Chicago and Atlanta are the teams that have a shot at the Nets. Maybe Phoenix, simply because they're in the west. SAC got better in the offseason. LAL should be better than the Nets.
The only thing we have working against us is that the Nets have no reason to tank. The first four above do.
We're looking good.
Mike
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Indiana, Chicago and Atlanta are the teams that have a shot at the Nets. Maybe Phoenix, simply because they're in the west. SAC got better in the offseason. LAL should be better than the Nets.
The only thing we have working against us is that the Nets have no reason to tank. The first four above do.
We're looking good.
Mike
As has been pointed out many times, the nets had no reason to tank last year, or the year before. But they still stunk.
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Indiana, Chicago and Atlanta are the teams that have a shot at the Nets. Maybe Phoenix, simply because they're in the west. SAC got better in the offseason. LAL should be better than the Nets.
The only thing we have working against us is that the Nets have no reason to tank. The first four above do.
We're looking good.
Mike
As has been pointed out many times, the nets had no reason to tank last year, or the year before. But they still stunk.
Or the year before when they lost their last 10.
But for some reason people will keep beating that drum like it means something.
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Indiana, Chicago and Atlanta are the teams that have a shot at the Nets. Maybe Phoenix, simply because they're in the west. SAC got better in the offseason. LAL should be better than the Nets.
The only thing we have working against us is that the Nets have no reason to tank. The first four above do.
We're looking good.
Mike
As has been pointed out many times, the nets had no reason to tank last year, or the year before. But they still stunk.
Yup, I'm well aware. They still stink.
I'm less concerned about the Nets stinking. I'm more concerned, though, about the cluster of teams at the bottom and how close it could be. I agree with you, it has not been an issue in the past. This year, I think it will be more narrow.
As the 2018 draft stands now, the first pick will be great, but there are a bunch of players at the top. If Bagley reclassifies, we have a potential superstar which could further encourage tanking.
Is it a big deal? Probably not. Does it fall under the category of something that could potentially work against us? Yup.
Mike
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said)
They just added another player Allen Crabbe to the mix. They will have a better bench.
LOL at the worst team in the league having a "better bench".
Benchs win games ask Cleveland when they were beat by Atlanta's bench. The Celtics Bench won us some games last year, too
The Nets are going to surprise some people. They upgraded and got rid of a bad contract. Marks is a smart cookie. After this year I hope the do great!!! This could cause us no. 5 instead of 4.
LOL what on earth. Crabbe is a garbage contract that Portland unloaded on these poor saps and the Nets didnt even get a pick out of it. If the Celtics made this trash trade Ainge would be getting murdered.
The Nets and Celtics are at two places.
The Nets have the cap space they were below the line. They like Crabbe they offered the contract last year. They must see something. Crabbe played behind two awesome guards. He is good enough to start in a 30 team league for sure. LOL at you too. They did get rid of 26 mil with Nicholson. So they only added 31 Million for three years and they had the money. Was Zeller worth the money last year no but you have to get to a certain salary as a team and the Nets did this with the trade.
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Indiana, Chicago and Atlanta are the teams that have a shot at the Nets. Maybe Phoenix, simply because they're in the west. SAC got better in the offseason. LAL should be better than the Nets.
The only thing we have working against us is that the Nets have no reason to tank. The first four above do.
We're looking good.
Mike
As has been pointed out many times, the nets had no reason to tank last year, or the year before. But they still stunk.
Yup, I'm well aware. They still stink.
I'm less concerned about the Nets stinking. I'm more concerned, though, about the cluster of teams at the bottom and how close it could be. I agree with you, it has not been an issue in the past. This year, I think it will be more narrow.
As the 2018 draft stands now, the first pick will be great, but there are a bunch of players at the top. If Bagley reclassifies, we have a potential superstar which could further encourage tanking.
Is it a big deal? Probably not. Does it fall under the category of something that could potentially work against us? Yup.
Mike
This is a good point. The Nets are going to stink, but if the Hawks, Pacers, Bulls, and Magic all stink too (and throw in the Hornets, Knicks, and Sixers as possible garbage teams as well if things don't break right at the start) there could be a group of 5-6 bad teams at the bottom of the East all within a couple of games of one another. Throw in some bottom-feeders from the West and maybe Brooklyn wins 25 games but winds up with the 7th best odds at the lottery because there are 6 teams that win between 22-24.
It's just as likely that Brooklyn winds up at the bottom of that pool but it will be something to watch for.
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They did get rid of 26 mil with Nicholson. So they only added 31 Million for three years and they had the money.
Nicholson has three years, 19.9 million left.
This is a good point. The Nets are going to stink, but if the Hawks, Pacers, Bulls, and Magic all stink too (and throw in the Hornets, Knicks, and Sixers as possible garbage teams as well if things don't break right at the start) there could be a group of 5-6 bad teams at the bottom of the East all within a couple of games of one another.
Except for Chicago, I like all of those rosters better than Brooklyn's.
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double post
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They did get rid of 26 mil with Nicholson. So they only added 31 Million for three years and they had the money.
Nicholson has three years, 19.9 million left.
Correct i added last year still they did give up a bad player for a better player and they had to take on some salary. We shall see how he does this year. If Portland stretches Nicholson all money wasted.
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The Nets Big 3 of Russell, Mosgov and Hollis Jefferson (Booker? Crabbe? Lin?) Is not exactly striking fear in the hearts of many NBA opponents.
This team may not earn the most ping-pong balls but they'll surely be in the running.
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
This sentence is why no one should be worried about the Nets. The Nets have decent number of rotational (albeit not-starter level) wings and guards but they have no frontcourt.
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
This sentence is why no one should be worried about the Nets. The Nets have decent number of rotational (albeit not-starter level) wings and guards but they have no frontcourt.
That was actually going to be my question. Last year, the Nets won a few games because teams had to guard against Lopez, leaving the guards open for 3s. Math working the way it does, sometimes they hit an obnoxiously high number of them. With no Lopez in the picture, how does that affect their guard play?
Mike
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
I doubt it. Both Booker and RHJ are better options. I think Russell/Lin/Crabbe/RHJ/Mozgov is most likely.
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
I doubt it. Both Booker and RHJ are better options. I think Russell/Lin/Crabbe/RHJ/Mozgov is most likely.
They're not starting Lin. They will start Levert.
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
I doubt it. Both Booker and RHJ are better options. I think Russell/Lin/Crabbe/RHJ/Mozgov is most likely.
They're not starting Lin. They will start Levert.
https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/7/9/15945010/jeremy-lin-excited-about-sharing-the-backcourt-with-dangelo-russell (https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/7/9/15945010/jeremy-lin-excited-about-sharing-the-backcourt-with-dangelo-russell)
From all I have read Lin will be starting with Russell. But I would go the way you say Saltover if it was me.
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
I doubt it. Both Booker and RHJ are better options. I think Russell/Lin/Crabbe/RHJ/Mozgov is most likely.
They're not starting Lin. They will start Levert.
Exactly what they should do. Levert is the future of this team. Lin is gone when his contract ends. Fortunately, Lin is (currently) a better player than Levert.
Okay, I have a request. I've emailed the mods a couple of times and not heard back yet, so I'm hoping that others will help me. The season watch threads have traditionally been stickied in the "Around the NBA" forum, which is where they truly belong. This one is going to get lost in Celtics Talk. Could you take a moment and send a request to get the thread moved?
Thanks!
Mike
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Keep an eye on their thin frontcourt. Tallest guy they have is an injury prone Mozgov. Their 2nd biggest guy is a poor mens DMC, Trevor Booker. He is listed at only 6'8".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BRK/2018.html
Maybe they will play super small spread out offense more than often, but still they will suffer for the size deficiency on the defensive end. We felt it on our skin how is to go skilled and small. They have much less skill and fewer defensive guards. Nets probably also feel that they can get an (half)effective center more easily and cheaper than at the perimiter spots.
They will rely a lot on their youth and that is a bumpy season for any team.
ATM, my super early prediction is that they finish 28th in defense and 21th on the offense, with 22/24 wins. Finishing with the 3rd to 5th worst record in the league.
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
I doubt it. Both Booker and RHJ are better options. I think Russell/Lin/Crabbe/RHJ/Mozgov is most likely.
They're not starting Lin. They will start Levert.
Exactly what they should do. Levert is the future of this team. Lin is gone when his contract ends. Fortunately, Lin is (currently) a better player than Levert.
Okay, I have a request. I've emailed the mods a couple of times and not heard back yet, so I'm hoping that others will help me. The season watch threads have traditionally been stickied in the "Around the NBA" forum, which is where they truly belong. This one is going to get lost in Celtics Talk. Could you take a moment and send a request to get the thread moved?
Thanks!
Mike
As the creator of this thread, I'd love to help but how can I contact the mods?
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Keep an eye on their thin frontcourt. Tallest guy they have is an injury prone Mozgov. Their 2nd biggest guy is a poor mens DMC, Trevor Booker. He is listed at only 6'8".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BRK/2018.html
Maybe they will play super small spread out offense more than often, but still they will suffer for the size deficiency on the defensive end. We felt it on our skin how is to go skilled and small. They have much less skill and fewer defensive guards. Nets probably also feel that they can get an (half)effective center more easily and cheaper than at the perimiter spots.
They will rely a lot on their youth and that is a bumpy season for any team.
ATM, my super early prediction is that they finish 28th in defense and 21th on the offense, with 22/24 wins. Finishing with the 3rd to 5th worst record in the league.
Imo they'll be the worst, their bigs are really bad and bigs are starting to make a comeback in the league, all tanking teams have at least a big man who can take advantage of the Nets' weak ass frontcourt.
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
I doubt it. Both Booker and RHJ are better options. I think Russell/Lin/Crabbe/RHJ/Mozgov is most likely.
They're not starting Lin. They will start Levert.
Exactly what they should do. Levert is the future of this team. Lin is gone when his contract ends. Fortunately, Lin is (currently) a better player than Levert.
Okay, I have a request. I've emailed the mods a couple of times and not heard back yet, so I'm hoping that others will help me. The season watch threads have traditionally been stickied in the "Around the NBA" forum, which is where they truly belong. This one is going to get lost in Celtics Talk. Could you take a moment and send a request to get the thread moved?
Thanks!
Mike
As the creator of this thread, I'd love to help but how can I contact the mods?
I hit the "report to mod" button in the lower right, but that doesn't seem to have worked. Maybe PM the first moderator that you come across in this or another thread? TP for the effort.
Mike
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Keep an eye on their thin frontcourt. Tallest guy they have is an injury prone Mozgov. Their 2nd biggest guy is a poor mens DMC, Trevor Booker. He is listed at only 6'8".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BRK/2018.html
Maybe they will play super small spread out offense more than often, but still they will suffer for the size deficiency on the defensive end. We felt it on our skin how is to go skilled and small. They have much less skill and fewer defensive guards. Nets probably also feel that they can get an (half)effective center more easily and cheaper than at the perimiter spots.
They will rely a lot on their youth and that is a bumpy season for any team.
ATM, my super early prediction is that they finish 28th in defense and 21th on the offense, with 22/24 wins. Finishing with the 3rd to 5th worst record in the league.
Imo they'll be the worst, their bigs are really bad and bigs are starting to make a comeback in the league, all tanking teams have at least a big man who can take advantage of the Nets' weak ass frontcourt.
Every time I think, "Well, they clearly improved their back court and LeVert looks like he could be a real player," I have to remind myself that they also lost BLopez. Last year, they won a lot of games because their 1-3s shot a ton of threes, and math says that there will be games when a disproportionate number go in. This year, with less of a threat underneath, defenses will be more focused on their outside shooters.
Mike
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Keep an eye on their thin frontcourt. Tallest guy they have is an injury prone Mozgov. Their 2nd biggest guy is a poor mens DMC, Trevor Booker. He is listed at only 6'8".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BRK/2018.html
Maybe they will play super small spread out offense more than often, but still they will suffer for the size deficiency on the defensive end. We felt it on our skin how is to go skilled and small. They have much less skill and fewer defensive guards. Nets probably also feel that they can get an (half)effective center more easily and cheaper than at the perimiter spots.
They will rely a lot on their youth and that is a bumpy season for any team.
ATM, my super early prediction is that they finish 28th in defense and 21th on the offense, with 22/24 wins. Finishing with the 3rd to 5th worst record in the league.
22-24 wins is extremely optimistic. Vegas has them at 20, my guess is Pelton has them less than that. When your salvation is Mozgov and Lin, you're going to be awful. I think they could be a 15-win squad easily..
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
I doubt it. Both Booker and RHJ are better options. I think Russell/Lin/Crabbe/RHJ/Mozgov is most likely.
They're not starting Lin. They will start Levert.
Exactly what they should do. Levert is the future of this team. Lin is gone when his contract ends. Fortunately, Lin is (currently) a better player than Levert.
Okay, I have a request. I've emailed the mods a couple of times and not heard back yet, so I'm hoping that others will help me. The season watch threads have traditionally been stickied in the "Around the NBA" forum, which is where they truly belong. This one is going to get lost in Celtics Talk. Could you take a moment and send a request to get the thread moved?
Thanks!
Mike
As the creator of this thread, I'd love to help but how can I contact the mods?
I hit the "report to mod" button in the lower right, but that doesn't seem to have worked. Maybe PM the first moderator that you come across in this or another thread? TP for the effort.
Mike
Thanks I will. TP back at you, here's hoping we get Bagley and Porter!
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Crabbe shot 44% from 3 this past season and could be more productive with more shots. He also is long enough to play the 3, same thing with Lavert. The Nets are going small and will probably start Carrol at the 4 and Mozgov at the 5.
Losing Lopez changes things for them though. Lopez stretched the floor and made it easier for teammates to take it to the rim w/o a big clogging the lane. Lopez gave them production from a very rare position in the league. They don't have that anymore.
I doubt it. Both Booker and RHJ are better options. I think Russell/Lin/Crabbe/RHJ/Mozgov is most likely.
They're not starting Lin. They will start Levert.
Exactly what they should do. Levert is the future of this team. Lin is gone when his contract ends. Fortunately, Lin is (currently) a better player than Levert.
Okay, I have a request. I've emailed the mods a couple of times and not heard back yet, so I'm hoping that others will help me. The season watch threads have traditionally been stickied in the "Around the NBA" forum, which is where they truly belong. This one is going to get lost in Celtics Talk. Could you take a moment and send a request to get the thread moved?
Thanks!
Mike
As the creator of this thread, I'd love to help but how can I contact the mods?
I hit the "report to mod" button in the lower right, but that doesn't seem to have worked. Maybe PM the first moderator that you come across in this or another thread? TP for the effort.
Mike
Thanks I will. TP back at you, here's hoping we get Bagley and Porter!
Agreed, but promise me Bagley and I'll take anyone else with him. :)
Mike
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Pinned in Around the League, woo! I'm looking forward to another year of the Brooklyn Celtics ;D
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Keep an eye on their thin frontcourt. Tallest guy they have is an injury prone Mozgov. Their 2nd biggest guy is a poor mens DMC, Trevor Booker. He is listed at only 6'8".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BRK/2018.html
Maybe they will play super small spread out offense more than often, but still they will suffer for the size deficiency on the defensive end. We felt it on our skin how is to go skilled and small. They have much less skill and fewer defensive guards. Nets probably also feel that they can get an (half)effective center more easily and cheaper than at the perimiter spots.
They will rely a lot on their youth and that is a bumpy season for any team.
ATM, my super early prediction is that they finish 28th in defense and 21th on the offense, with 22/24 wins. Finishing with the 3rd to 5th worst record in the league.
Imo they'll be the worst, their bigs are really bad and bigs are starting to make a comeback in the league, all tanking teams have at least a big man who can take advantage of the Nets' weak ass frontcourt.
Every time I think, "Well, they clearly improved their back court and LeVert looks like he could be a real player," I have to remind myself that they also lost BLopez. Last year, they won a lot of games because their 1-3s shot a ton of threes, and math says that there will be games when a disproportionate number go in. This year, with less of a threat underneath, defenses will be more focused on their outside shooters.
Mike
Brook Lopez led the Nets in 3 point attempts last year. He was not an under the rim type player.
I expect the Nets to be one of the three worst teams in the East right there with Chicago and Atlanta somewhere in the lot to mid 20's for wins for all three of those teams.
I mean the Nets basically return their entire rotation except Lopez and Foye (they had Bogdanovic for 55ish games before trading him as well), but they've added Russell, Crabbe, Mozgov, and Carroll, along with Allen and I would expect Lin to play more than 31 games. That just strikes me as far more additions then subtractions, so the Nets should be a much improved team, though I wouldn't expect it to show all that much in the win column. I would however take the over on 20 wins.
PG - Lin, Whitehead, Dinwiddle
SG - Russell, Crabbe, Kilpatrick, Harris
SF - LeVert, RHJ
PF - Booker, Carroll, Acy
C - Mozgov, Allen
Lacks size and I really have no idea how they will work their PG, SG, or SF rotations or positions, but they should be a team that can run and run a lot.
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Keep an eye on their thin frontcourt. Tallest guy they have is an injury prone Mozgov. Their 2nd biggest guy is a poor mens DMC, Trevor Booker. He is listed at only 6'8".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BRK/2018.html
Maybe they will play super small spread out offense more than often, but still they will suffer for the size deficiency on the defensive end. We felt it on our skin how is to go skilled and small. They have much less skill and fewer defensive guards. Nets probably also feel that they can get an (half)effective center more easily and cheaper than at the perimiter spots.
They will rely a lot on their youth and that is a bumpy season for any team.
ATM, my super early prediction is that they finish 28th in defense and 21th on the offense, with 22/24 wins. Finishing with the 3rd to 5th worst record in the league.
22-24 wins is extremely optimistic. Vegas has them at 20, my guess is Pelton has them less than that. When your salvation is Mozgov and Lin, you're going to be awful. I think they could be a 15-win squad easily..
Lopez gave that team a lot offensively in ways of spacing the floor, opening up lanes, and unclogging the paint. Defensively he is pretty good, besides getting low rebounds, but he is big and long (7'6'' wingspan and 9'5'' standing reach).
Without Lopez the team will be running into each other and the "bigs" will clog the paint and lanes. Even if they go small (relying on the 3) Lin, Russell, Crabbe/Lavert, D. Carrol, Mozgov; they will get killed defensively and no one player is good enough to demand an automatic double team.
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Pinned in Around the League, woo! I'm looking forward to another year of the Brooklyn Celtics ;D
Woohoo Stickied!!! No more Google to find this thread in Celtics Talk. lol
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20221667/zach-lowe-brooklyn-nets-dangelo-russell-sean-marks-nba
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20221667/zach-lowe-brooklyn-nets-dangelo-russell-sean-marks-nba
this was a great read. Anyone interested in the nets and how they've sunk and what they've done should read. Well written article
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https://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/08/06/the-suns-will-win-more-than-30-games-this-season/
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The DLO trade will be a gem to us, aside from removing Lopez DLO clashes with Lin, who is their engine and them clashing probably makes the Nets a dysfunctional team to add on them being crap. I expect to bottom 3 finish for them this year.
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The DLO trade will be a gem to us, aside from removing Lopez DLO clashes with Lin, who is their engine and them clashing probably makes the Nets a dysfunctional team to add on them being crap. I expect to bottom 3 finish for them this year.
Lin has quite a nice contract, you have to think he may be moved to a playoff team at the deadline, someone looking for a decent back up point guard. That's only going to make the Nets worse as well.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/08/06/the-suns-will-win-more-than-30-games-this-season/
The Suns have to be better than the Lakers, I don't know how someone can look at the roster and not see that. It's fairly clear that the 3 worst teams in the West are the Lakers, Suns and Kings. I could quite easily see the Lakers finishing at the bottom of those 3.
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The DLO trade will be a gem to us, aside from removing Lopez DLO clashes with Lin, who is their engine and them clashing probably makes the Nets a dysfunctional team to add on them being crap. I expect to bottom 3 finish for them this year.
Lin has quite a nice contract, you have to think he may be moved to a playoff team at the deadline, someone looking for a decent back up point guard. That's only going to make the Nets worse as well.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/08/06/the-suns-will-win-more-than-30-games-this-season/
The Suns have to be better than the Lakers, I don't know how someone can look at the roster and not see that. It's fairly clear that the 3 worst teams in the West are the Lakers, Suns and Kings. I could quite easily see the Lakers finishing at the bottom of those 3.
Lin's contract is not a good one at all. $12 million this year with a 10% trade kicker, and a player
option at $12.5 million for next year is an awful lot for a player who's no better than backup material on good teams. If it were a true expiring, I could see a team biting, but that's a lot of potential payroll to take on for next summer, and Lin presumably is smart enough to see how the market tanked for non-stars this summer, and thus could be expected to opt in.
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I can see Lin and Russell having chemistry problems. Both need the ball to be most effective.
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The DLO trade will be a gem to us, aside from removing Lopez DLO clashes with Lin, who is their engine and them clashing probably makes the Nets a dysfunctional team to add on them being crap. I expect to bottom 3 finish for them this year.
Lin has quite a nice contract, you have to think he may be moved to a playoff team at the deadline, someone looking for a decent back up point guard. That's only going to make the Nets worse as well.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/08/06/the-suns-will-win-more-than-30-games-this-season/
The Suns have to be better than the Lakers, I don't know how someone can look at the roster and not see that. It's fairly clear that the 3 worst teams in the West are the Lakers, Suns and Kings. I could quite easily see the Lakers finishing at the bottom of those 3.
Lin's contract is not a good one at all. $12 million this year with a 10% trade kicker, and a player
option at $12.5 million for next year is an awful lot for a player who's no better than backup material on good teams. If it were a true expiring, I could see a team biting, but that's a lot of potential payroll to take on for next summer, and Lin presumably is smart enough to see how the market tanked for non-stars this summer, and thus could be expected to opt in.
Oh wow I got that completely wrong! For some reason I thought he was $6m for the next two years, weird. Well that obviously makes moving him difficult.
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Caris LeVert selected to be drug tested twice a day, every day, for the rest of the season
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Nets have the 7th most difficult strength of schedule this season
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https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/8/18/16166176/caris-levert-playoffs-really-realistic-joe-harris-nets-going-in-right-direction (https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/8/18/16166176/caris-levert-playoffs-really-realistic-joe-harris-nets-going-in-right-direction)
Levert and Harris talking about the upcoming season. Levert references them being a top 7 team in the East when all their guys were available, anyone got any knowledge on that? I would find that very, very hard to believe.
He tries to downplay losing Lopez but he was a threat inside and out last year, that isn't going to be easy to replace.
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https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/8/18/16166176/caris-levert-playoffs-really-realistic-joe-harris-nets-going-in-right-direction (https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/8/18/16166176/caris-levert-playoffs-really-realistic-joe-harris-nets-going-in-right-direction)
Levert and Harris talking about the upcoming season. Levert references them being a top 7 team in the East when all their guys were available, anyone got any knowledge on that? I would find that very, very hard to believe.
He tries to downplay losing Lopez but he was a threat inside and out last year, that isn't going to be easy to replace.
They aren't even going to sniff a starter place so they're irrelevant. Bottom 3 team guaranteed.
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In regard to Russell, Levert said,
“He wants to win more than people give him credit for. I know he has a lot of people to prove wrong. I know he will prove a lot of people wrong.”
Here's a good rule of thumb: Anytime you have to reassure fans that a particular player wants to win, you can be pretty [dang] sure that the player in question just doesn't care.
Mike
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https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/8/18/16166176/caris-levert-playoffs-really-realistic-joe-harris-nets-going-in-right-direction (https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/8/18/16166176/caris-levert-playoffs-really-realistic-joe-harris-nets-going-in-right-direction)
Levert and Harris talking about the upcoming season. Levert references them being a top 7 team in the East when all their guys were available, anyone got any knowledge on that? I would find that very, very hard to believe.
He tries to downplay losing Lopez but he was a threat inside and out last year, that isn't going to be easy to replace.
Fwahahaha. Yeah, they were also undefeated on nights when they outscored their opponent!
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They are worse than last year
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They are worse than last year
dear lord I hope so
The problem is that it looks like there will be more tankers than last year
When it's a good draft the tanks come out in full force
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They are worse than last year
dear lord I hope so
The problem is that it looks like there will be more tankers than last year
When it's a good draft the tanks come out in full force
I think someone here did an analysis that showed the perceived strength of the draft has nothing to do with the number of "tanking" teams. Teams don't really tank, they just stink...
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Aingeknows whats going to happen, he liked an article on Bagley :D -
(http://i.imgur.com/1TBLc8K.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/1TBLc8K.jpg)
Nah, he's just trying to drive up Bagley's value so he can trade the pick. ;)
Mike
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They are worse than last year
dear lord I hope so
The problem is that it looks like there will be more tankers than last year
When it's a good draft the tanks come out in full force
I think someone here did an analysis that showed the perceived strength of the draft has nothing to do with the number of "tanking" teams. Teams don't really tank, they just stink...
either way there are PLENTY of teams that stink this year
I just hope that lakers pick conveys!
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I can see Lin and Russell having chemistry problems. Both need the ball to be most effective.
I can't see them on the court together for many minutes...
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Let's go Nets!
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Let's go Nets!
I am a huge NETS fan now...
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Go Jeremy Lin, D'Angelo Russell and Allen Crabbe!
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Let's go Nets!
I am a huge NETS fan now...
I'll miss these threads.
Rooting for the Lakers to finish 2-through-5 just ain't quite the same.
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Go Cleveland Nets!! Playoffs baby!!!
Whoa. That felt weird.
NERLENS NOEL TO THE NETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What is the Nets projected wins next year anyway?
Gooooooo Nets!!!!!
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Lin for President! Go Nets...win 35! ;D Russell breaks out and Magic questioned about letting him go.
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It is hard to break the habit of enjoying net losss. :P
Oh well, now I wish them the best of luck.
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Lock this thread up.
Who cares now, I'm sure Cavs will flip pick for some other superstar.
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Lock this thread up.
Who cares now, I'm sure Cavs will flip pick for some other superstar.
Still worth monitoring. This time however, we want the Nets to win many games as possible.
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Oh no we lost a Nets pick for an All-Star, now do that 3 times without getting an All-Star back and you can start to imagine what it's like being a Nets fan ;D
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Time to lock this thread. End of an era. Guess Danny had bad Karma from the heist
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Okay Nets, hope you get 40+ wins this season! 8) :laugh:
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Well, I guess the small respect/love of the Nets I've developed from paying so much attention to them for the past few years can now be channeled into rooting for them instead of against them. I really think Marks and Atkinson can do a lot of good for them in the next couple of seasons.
WHY DID THEY HAVE TO TRADE LOPEZ, though!?
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Well, I guess the small respect/love of the Nets I've developed from paying so much attention to them for the past few years can now be channeled into rooting for them instead of against them. I really think Marks and Atkinson can do a lot of good for them in the next couple of seasons.
WHY DID THEY HAVE TO TRADE LOPEZ, though!?
Here's hoping Lopez was holding them back despite our better judgment, and he'll now tank the Lakers.
Go Nets!
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Well, I guess the small respect/love of the Nets I've developed from paying so much attention to them for the past few years can now be channeled into rooting for them instead of against them. I really think Marks and Atkinson can do a lot of good for them in the next couple of seasons.
WHY DID THEY HAVE TO TRADE LOPEZ, though!?
Here's hoping Lopez was holding them back despite our better judgment, and he'll now tank the Lakers.
Go Nets!
Let's hope D'Angelo breaks out into a 22/5/5 guy
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Oh no we lost a Nets pick for an All-Star, now do that 3 times without getting an All-Star back and you can start to imagine what it's like being a Nets fan ;D
TP.
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So, about those crazy Nets playoff predictions...
I personally think Caris Levert is right about the playoffs being 'really realistic.' I am also excited to see Russell and Crabbe representing the Nets during All-Star weekend.
Go Nets!! :o
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The nets winning 35-40 games and the pick being in the 12-17 range this upcoming season will be wonderful.
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Who cares about the Nets now. Can't wait for this thread to die off.
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A sudden turn of events. Go Nets!
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Time to lock this thread. End of an era. Guess Danny had bad Karma from the heist
Still worth keeping this thread to monitor the outcome of the trade.
At least now I can root for the Nets. It was weird enjoying their play style but hoping they'd lose..
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The Nets are still going to be bad, but for the sake of looking at this positively:
Look around the bottom of the Eastern conference this season. The Bulls, Hawks, Magic, and Pacers are going to be awful. Really bad. The Nets didn't really have any tanking competition in the East last season but they will this year. Even if the Nets are terrible and win 25 games, could there be 3 or 4 more teams win 24 games or less, just in the East?
I think it's possible.
Throw in bad years from the Lakers, Suns, and Kings and there is a universe in which the Nets are just as bad as we thought but they wind up with the 7th pick in a 5 player draft.
Here's hoping.
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PLEASE RUSSELL. PLEASE SULLY (IF HE'S SIGNING THERE). PLEASE NETS.
SHOCK THE WORLD AND WIN SOMETHING LIKE 30-35+ GAMES THIS YEAR!
MAKE THAT PICK LAND WELL OUTSIDE THE TOP-5 (OR TOP-10)! :laugh: 8)
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Who cares about the Nets now. Can't wait for this thread to die off.
You can't just go from Living and breathing a basketball team and then turn it off like a tap... We need time to adjust, to prepare ourselves for savouring every 81-75 ugly shooting slugfest win.
We will always be.. The Brooklyn Celtics.
Peace.
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Who cares about the Nets now. Can't wait for this thread to die off.
You can't just go from Living and breathing a basketball team and then turn it off like a tap... We need time to adjust, to prepare ourselves for savouring every 81-75 ugly shooting slugfest win.
We will always be.. The Brooklyn Celtics.
Peace.
This thread is as important as ever! The Brooklyn Celtics have one last task to complete, make the playoffs and ruin the Cavs future! XD
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Spencer Hawes alert! He could help them.
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PLEASE RUSSELL. PLEASE SULLY (IF HE'S SIGNING THERE). PLEASE NETS.
SHOCK THE WORLD AND WIN SOMETHING LIKE 30-35+ GAMES THIS YEAR!
MAKE THAT PICK LAND WELL OUTSIDE THE TOP-5 (OR TOP-10)! :laugh: 8)
HA HA Ha ....ROFL .....now we are fans of Nets winning . ....Too Funny
But they have a decent coach , a non tanker type , team oriented , if they could get acouple more serious talents .....who knows 25-30 wins might be possible . Russell seems matured and on fire to finially get his career going . We'll see. Lopez carried that team pretty much .
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This is going to be a great pick for them, everybody and their momma said the same thing last season before we scooped up #1. Of course it would be funny if the pick isn't as good as they hope but I wouldn't bet any money that BKN won't be more than 'Tragic Mike' coming to an arena near you!
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Who cares about the Nets now. Can't wait for this thread to die off.
You can't just go from Living and breathing a basketball team and then turn it off like a tap... We need time to adjust, to prepare ourselves for savouring every 81-75 ugly shooting slugfest win.
We will always be.. The Brooklyn Celtics.
Peace.
This thread is as important as ever! The Brooklyn Celtics have one last task to complete, make the playoffs and ruin the Cavs future! XD
Goooooooooooo Nets! One more year of the Brooklyn Celtics, but we root for the unlovable losers this time. So much more fun this year rooting against the Lakers and against Cleveland's interests.
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Who cares about the Nets now. Can't wait for this thread to die off.
You can't just go from Living and breathing a basketball team and then turn it off like a tap... We need time to adjust, to prepare ourselves for savouring every 81-75 ugly shooting slugfest win.
We will always be.. The Brooklyn Celtics.
Peace.
This thread is as important as ever! The Brooklyn Celtics have one last task to complete, make the playoffs and ruin the Cavs future! XD
Goooooooooooo Nets! One more year of the Brooklyn Celtics, but we root for the unlovable losers this time. So much more fun this year rooting against the Lakers and against Cleveland's interests.
It is truly karmically right for celtic fans to root for the Nets one year. After all they have endured and after they did so much for our amazing rebuild. I will enjoy the change of sides.
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nets winning helps that lakers pick.
lets go nets!
sully better be there
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Great win by our old friends in MSG tonight.
Onward Brooklyn Soldiers!!!
Russell looked so good. He like a lefty Kyrie.
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Russell is better than I thought. Drops 19. He will do well against the bad guards in the east. That pick could def fall between 5-9
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The Knicks got worse too. I predict that the Nets will not have the worst record even in the division much less the league. They may even finish above both the Knicks and Sixers. Bottom 5 in the league though, so that is fine.
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Celticsblog has been collectively trying to speak into existence that that Nets pick won't be top 5 since the trade Lavar-style. The Nets suuuuuuuuuck. I'd be shocked if that's not a top 5 pick.
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Celticsblog has been collectively trying to speak into existence that that Nets pick won't be top 5 since the trade Lavar-style. The Nets suuuuuuuuuck. I'd be shocked if that's not a top 5 pick.
I'll be shocked if the Nets don't make the playoffs. That is LaVar-style. Ish.
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Celticsblog has been collectively trying to speak into existence that that Nets pick won't be top 5 since the trade Lavar-style. The Nets suuuuuuuuuck. I'd be shocked if that's not a top 5 pick.
Maybe the Nets pick will end up top 5 as you say it will, but the Celtics front office believes it won't, based on analytical data.
At least for one night anyway, albeit in the pre-season, the Nets sure looked like a team capable of winning more games than they did last season.
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The Nets are going to be bad but that's not going to stop me from rooting for them to exceed expectations.
I think the Bulls and Hawks are going to be worse. After that, there's a bunch of teams that are going to be bad. The Kings, Suns, and Lakers will be bad and have superior competition in the West driving their win totals down. In the East, the Pacers, Magic, and Knicks have some more talent but could still be really bad.
As bad as the Nets will be, it's still conceivable to me that they could wind up with the 9th pick.
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How funny would it be if Jarett Allen turns out to be the best player in this draft class?
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How funny would it be if Jarett Allen turns out to be the best player in this draft class?
Ha not that funny. I sure hope Tatum is better.
I think Lonzo, Tatum, Smith, and Fox will be the best players from this draft class.
A lot of bad teams in the East. I'm happy that we have Kyrie. Watching BKN collect 30 something wins would have been brutal.
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The Nets are going to be bad but that's not going to stop me from rooting for them to exceed expectations.
I think the Bulls and Hawks are going to be worse. After that, there's a bunch of teams that are going to be bad. The Kings, Suns, and Lakers will be bad and have superior competition in the West driving their win totals down. In the East, the Pacers, Magic, and Knicks have some more talent but could still be really bad.
As bad as the Nets will be, it's still conceivable to me that they could wind up with the 9th pick.
Besides Porzingis, what talent do the Knicks have? Their starting lineup yesterday was Sessions, Hardaway, McDermott, Porzingis and Quinn. That is a tankalicious, craptastic lineup.
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The Nets are going to be bad but that's not going to stop me from rooting for them to exceed expectations.
I think the Bulls and Hawks are going to be worse. After that, there's a bunch of teams that are going to be bad. The Kings, Suns, and Lakers will be bad and have superior competition in the West driving their win totals down. In the East, the Pacers, Magic, and Knicks have some more talent but could still be really bad.
As bad as the Nets will be, it's still conceivable to me that they could wind up with the 9th pick.
Besides Porzingis, what talent do the Knicks have? Their starting lineup yesterday was Sessions, Hardaway, McDermott, Porzingis and Quinn. That is a tankalicious, craptastic lineup.
Yeah the Knicks are terrible. But just having Porzingis puts them ahead of the Hawks and Bulls, in my mind. Those teams have absolutely nobody (especially for as long as Lavine is sidelined).
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Nets really looking like a playoff team right now. I know its just a preseason but D'Angelo is thriving under Atkinson's system. I think Magic screwed up.
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Nets really looking like a playoff team right now. I know its just a preseason but D'Angelo is thriving under Atkinson's system. I think Magic screwed up.
Lakers screwed up too. He was their best gun . Ball has nobody to pass too that ia a knock down shooter .
Lopez was not worth a 2 nd round pick.
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Nets looking good. Thankfully danny sold high on the pick
They could very well be 8th seed with how bad the east is
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Nets really looking like a playoff team right now. I know its just a preseason but D'Angelo is thriving under Atkinson's system. I think Magic screwed up.
Lakers screwed up too. He was their best gun . Ball has nobody to pass too that ia a knock down shooter .
Lopez was not worth a 2 nd round pick.
isn't magic with the Lakers? Why Lakers screwed up too lol
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Guys...its preseason.
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Guys...its preseason.
it's October and the nets look good
It has to be a thought that the nets do not look like the worst team in the nba. They might not even be one of the 5 worsT. They're up almost 20 on the up and rising heat
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Zeller vs olynyk
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GodZeller killing the heat bench ;D
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Guys...its preseason.
it's October and the nets look good
It has to be a thought that the nets do not look like the worst team in the nba. They might not even be one of the 5 worsT. They're up almost 20 on the up and rising heat
Its preseason.
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Nets destroyed the knicks last night
117-83
Check out this globetrotters play: https://mobile.twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/917449271045165057/video/1
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Zeller vs olynyk
waving hankies at each other .......agreed pre game .....no contact allowed.
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Brooklyn's Jeremy Lin will undergo evaluation of right knee in New York Thursday, league source tells ESPN. Tremendous concern on injury.
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/921021863165382656
"Brooklyn Nets guard Jeremy Lin suffered a patellar tendon rupture and will miss rest of season, source tells ESPN."
Lin will miss rest of the season...that pick just got better for those Cavs. >:( >:( >:(
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Eh, I feel really bad for Lin but I don't see this thread as necessary anymore.
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Eh, I feel really bad for Lin but I don't see this thread as necessary anymore.
Not necessary, no, but the better the Nets play, the worse the pick will be for Cleveland so I still see keeping an eye on Brooklyn as worthwhile.
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Nets win! ;D
Beat the Magic 126-121.
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Nice job nets.
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Lots of talk about the Suns, but after watching the Bulls play against the Spurs.... Pretty confident BRK won't have best odds again this year.
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Nets beat the hawks today 116-104
Crabbe dropped 20 and Russell went 16/10
Still think Lakers getting rid of Russell was premature
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Nets in the #4 seed. Woot!
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Nets beat the hawks today 116-104
Crabbe dropped 20 and Russell went 16/10
Still think Lakers getting rid of Russell was premature
Remember, the Lakers got rid of the next two years of Mozgov’s deal, when they hope to create double max free agent room. The Mozgov deal is terrible — they sold a little low on Russell perhaps, but they had limited assets of value they could use to dump that deal.
The premature aspect in my mind was as much that they moved Mozgov this summer rather than next summer, when they might actually have need of max room.
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Nets beat the hawks today 116-104
Crabbe dropped 20 and Russell went 16/10
Still think Lakers getting rid of Russell was premature
Remember, the Lakers got rid of the next two years of Mozgov’s deal, when they hope to create double max free agent room. The Mozgov deal is terrible — they sold a little low on Russell perhaps, but they had limited assets of value they could use to dump that deal.
The premature aspect in my mind was as much that they moved Mozgov this summer rather than next summer, when they might actually have need of max room.
well that's why the Lakers are bad. They got into that mosgov deal that hurt them later. Bad GM decisions trickle down and make you do other bad decisions
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Nets beat the terrible Hawks. This is the hope. The Nets are bad but if they can be better than the likes of the Hawks they can drag themselves out of the bottom 5.
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Nets beat the hawks today 116-104
Crabbe dropped 20 and Russell went 16/10
Still think Lakers getting rid of Russell was premature
Remember, the Lakers got rid of the next two years of Mozgov’s deal, when they hope to create double max free agent room. The Mozgov deal is terrible — they sold a little low on Russell perhaps, but they had limited assets of value they could use to dump that deal.
The premature aspect in my mind was as much that they moved Mozgov this summer rather than next summer, when they might actually have need of max room.
This strategy totally blew up when Westbrook resigned in OKC. It will go completely down in flames if OKC can pull off an upset over GSW.
In general, trading a 20 year old prospect, former #2 overall pick, to move a horrible contract so you can create future cap space to hopefully sign free agents is a terrible move. I think they traded him because they wanted Lonzo Ball and didn't want two young PGs on their roster. Getting rid of Mozgov's deal was a bonus for them.
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Nets beat the hawks today 116-104
Crabbe dropped 20 and Russell went 16/10
Still think Lakers getting rid of Russell was premature
Remember, the Lakers got rid of the next two years of Mozgov’s deal, when they hope to create double max free agent room. The Mozgov deal is terrible — they sold a little low on Russell perhaps, but they had limited assets of value they could use to dump that deal.
The premature aspect in my mind was as much that they moved Mozgov this summer rather than next summer, when they might actually have need of max room.
This strategy totally blew up when Westbrook resigned in OKC. It will go completely down in flames if OKC can pull off an upset over GSW.
In general, trading a 20 year old prospect, former #2 overall pick, to move a horrible contract so you can create future cap space to hopefully sign free agents is a terrible move. I think they traded him because they wanted Lonzo Ball and didn't want two young PGs on their roster. Getting rid of Mozgov's deal was a bonus for them.
One more reason, hint - DeSnitchello.
Lavert impressed me with his off the dribble/driving game. Solid NBA body too. Even with Lin out, they have enough guys that can be somewhat effective with the ball in their hands.
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New disease: Brooklynobia
Description: The sense of outrage and agitation caused by a Nets victory, particularly against a team that should have beaten them.
Symptoms: Feelings of disgust, shame and an undeniable urge to post on Celtics Blog.
Causes: Having rooted against Brooklyn for so long that it becomes ingrained in your psyche.
Treatment: Remembering that every Nets victory is a blow to Cleveland.
Dr. Mike
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UH OH.. Russell is down. Looks like he hurt his knee/ankle... :o
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UH OH.. Russell is down. Looks like he hurt his knee/ankle... :o
Actually, doesn't look like it's too bad! He's back in the game.
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Nets take one point lead with 48 seconds left
Then proceed to blow it.
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DeMarre looks like his old Hawks self this year.
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Nets beat the cavs 112-107
Nets on the move to make the playoffs. Ainge is a genius
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Bahahahahahhaahhaa
The Cavs lost to the Nets WITHOUT Jeremy Lin or D'Angelo Russell - does the Nets team without those two guys even qualify as a professional team!?!
Man the Cavs are a disaster without Kyrie lol
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Nets beat the cavs 112-107
Nets on the move to make the playoffs. Ainge is a genius
Slow down, cowboy. lol
They won't sniff the playoffs, but they certainly won't be at the bottom of the Eastern Conference again. Hell, I could see them being the fifth or sixth worst in the conference above Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, New York, and possibly even Orlando, and that's not even mentioning the Western squads of Dallas, Phoenix, Sacramento, and LAL.
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Nets beat the cavs 112-107
Nets on the move to make the playoffs. Ainge is a genius
Slow down, cowboy. lol
They won't sniff the playoffs, but they certainly won't be at the bottom of the Eastern Conference again. Hell, I could see them being the fifth or sixth worst in the conference above Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, New York, and possibly even Orlando, and that's not even mentioning the Western squads of Dallas, Phoenix, Sacramento, and LAL.
true it's my wishful thinking. I agree that if the worst teams were tiered, the nets are probably not in the worst of the worst.
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The Nets aren't going to make the playoffs but if they can finish with a better record than the Lakers, I'll be very happy.
**** Washington isn't helping me, though.
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....AND the Nets get blown out by the Knicks... :(
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Nets now lose to suns. They're looking like the nets again
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Nets now lose to suns. They're looking like the nets again
Well they beat Suns so that helps us a bit in terms of LAL Pick.
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Nets now lose to suns. They're looking like the nets again
Well they beat Suns so that helps us a bit in terms of LAL Pick.
good point ahah
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Atkinson shouldn't have pulled Dinwiddie in crunch time. He was the reason for the 23-2 run.
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Nets now lose to suns. They're looking like the nets again
Well they beat Suns so that helps us a bit in terms of LAL Pick.
Lol I always root for teams with the least wins, need the Lakers to be at the bottom! If teams are tied in losses I root for the team I think will need the win the most in the end to help hold off the Lakers.
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Nets vs Lakers tonight. Who's ready for the double whammy with a nets win? Lol
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Nets vs Lakers tonight. Who's ready for the double whammy with a nets win? Lol
I think DeAngelo Russell can’t wait for tip-off. Look for him to light up Ball.
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Nets vs Lakers tonight. Who's ready for the double whammy with a nets win? Lol
If the Lakers win, it might be time to wonder if Ainge chose the right pick to deal.
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Lakers beat nets. Of course
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Nets up 4 on the suns to start the 4th quarter. Wrong game to win guys lol
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Jackson not looking so good...
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Nets up 4 on the suns to start the 4th quarter. Wrong game to win guys lol
actually i'm not sure who i should be rooting for but i'm rooting for the nets. yes I care about the lakers pick...
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Nets won
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Nets impressively beat the blazers. DLo put up 21/4/9
Highlights of Russell tonight: https://youtu.be/DcKR50ULFNw
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So what is better tonight- a Celtics win that'll help the Cavs' chance for a lottery pick, or a Brooklyn win that'll worsen their lottery pick?
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Celtics Win. 1 nets loss is affordable
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So what is better tonight- a Celtics win that'll help the Cavs' chance for a lottery pick, or a Brooklyn win that'll worsen their lottery pick?
Now that we don't own the Brooklyn pick, I could care less where it ends up. I'm keeping my eyes on LA. Win Celtics win.
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With Dangelo's knee surgery, will be rooting for Spencer Dinwiddie!
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Nets win = ruining Cavs' draft lottery
Lakers lose = helping Celtics' draft lottery
It's a good NBA day 8)
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Good win in Memphis.
Nets now 7-12 with 10 games played on the road. Lakers 8-11 with 8 games on the road.
I still think the Lakers will be worse than Brooklyn. Doubt they'll be top five worst, though. But any Nets win is good so that the pick Cleveland gets isn't a high one.
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Good job nets. Were gonna need Memphis to start winning games soon
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Good win in Memphis.
Nets now 7-12 with 10 games played on the road. Lakers 8-11 with 8 games on the road.
I still think the Lakers will be worse than Brooklyn. Doubt they'll be top five worst, though. But any Nets win is good so that the pick Cleveland gets isn't a high one.
My biggest fear with that pick was that Cleveland would trade it to get more talent around Lebron. Every win deeper into the season makes that value a bit lower
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I know this team is fun to watch but for some stupid reason I'm still kind of sad we traded the pick. I want the Nets to win as much games as possible in order for me to feel confident that we won the Cavs trade. Am I nuts or what? :P I even found my self not really worried about the outcome of our game against the Nets cause even if we had lost that night, at least the pick would have become a little less valuable.
Really like Ayton. Think he would have been a great fit for the C's as a long term replacement for Horford. Thankfully, chances are that he won't be available with the Nets pick.
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I know this team is fun to watch but for some stupid reason I'm still kind of sad we traded the pick. I want the Nets to win as much games as possible in order for me to feel confident that we won the Cavs trade. Am I nuts or what? :P I even found my self not really worried about the outcome of our game against the Nets cause even if we had lost that night, at least the pick would have become a little less valuable.
Really like Ayton. Think he would have been a great fit for the C's as a long term replacement for Horford. Thankfully, chances are that he won't be available with the Nets pick.
I don't feel as sad as I used to. I fee the nets didn't win their 7th game last year until mid December. They are a lot more competitive this year and it would be truly maddening to keep seeing them win games. Their young talent is significantly better than last year as crabbe, rhj and russel would all be rotation players on decent teams.
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Booker came up huge on those two FT misses...Nets hang on!
Lakers will have the same record if GS wins tonight!
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That would've been infuriating if we still had the Nets pick.
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Another nice win for the nets
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Nets are gonna flirt with the playoffs. The stubborn people on that pick have to give in at some point
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Nets are gonna flirt with the playoffs. The stubborn people on that pick have to give in at some point
Beating Dallas is not proof that they are a decent team.
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Nets coaching is what makes the difference-We all saw what Danny and Brad did
.A team that scraps on defense doesn't give up and runs the court can compete in regular season -That means overachieve and if other teams are tanking or resting people at end of season while Nets are still scrapping and playing for positions next season, they can quickly jump up in standings toward end of season.Glad we traded for Irving
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Nets are gonna flirt with the playoffs. The stubborn people on that pick have to give in at some point
That's a stretch. They'd have to jump Charlotte, Orlando, Miami, Washington, and New York just to get to #8. I don't see them sniffing the playoffs.
But I do think they can keep pace and win 30-32 games which would likely put the pick in the 6-8 range. I'm hopeful they can do better than that but not much.
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Nets are gonna flirt with the playoffs. The stubborn people on that pick have to give in at some point
That's a stretch. They'd have to jump Charlotte, Orlando, Miami, Washington, and New York just to get to #8. I don't see them sniffing the playoffs.
But I do think they can keep pace and win 30-32 games which would likely put the pick in the 6-8 range. I'm hopeful they can do better than that but not much.
I absolutely expect them to jump Orlando. Orlando had a nice win over a dysfunctional okc team last night but they have played like one of the worst teams in the league since a hot start. I'm not sold on the Knicks being 20 wins better than last year just from dumping Carmelo. Wall is injured right now and charlotte seems like a mess. There is also a difference between flirting with and making it. By that I mean they could still be hanging around 3 games out of it in April. If you look at their scores and schedule they have been in just about every game and have lost a few they probably should have won. They have also already made two west coast trips
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Nets are gonna flirt with the playoffs. The stubborn people on that pick have to give in at some point
That's a stretch. They'd have to jump Charlotte, Orlando, Miami, Washington, and New York just to get to #8. I don't see them sniffing the playoffs.
But I do think they can keep pace and win 30-32 games which would likely put the pick in the 6-8 range. I'm hopeful they can do better than that but not much.
I absolutely expect them to jump Orlando. Orlando had a nice win over a dysfunctional okc team last night but they have played like one of the worst teams in the league since a hot start. I'm not sold on the Knicks being 20 wins better than last year just from dumping Carmelo. Wall is injured right now and charlotte seems like a mess. There is also a difference between flirting with and making it. By that I mean they could still be hanging around 3 games out of it in April. If you look at their scores and schedule they have been in just about every game and have lost a few they probably should have won. They have also already made two west coast trips
I hope you're right.
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Nets are gonna flirt with the playoffs. The stubborn people on that pick have to give in at some point
That's a stretch. They'd have to jump Charlotte, Orlando, Miami, Washington, and New York just to get to #8. I don't see them sniffing the playoffs.
But I do think they can keep pace and win 30-32 games which would likely put the pick in the 6-8 range. I'm hopeful they can do better than that but not much.
I absolutely expect them to jump Orlando. Orlando had a nice win over a dysfunctional okc team last night but they have played like one of the worst teams in the league since a hot start. I'm not sold on the Knicks being 20 wins better than last year just from dumping Carmelo. Wall is injured right now and charlotte seems like a mess. There is also a difference between flirting with and making it. By that I mean they could still be hanging around 3 games out of it in April. If you look at their scores and schedule they have been in just about every game and have lost a few they probably should have won. They have also already made two west coast trips
I hope you're right.
I will gain some confidence if they win their next two against Atlanta. Would show they are a bit better than the bottom teams. If they win those two games they will have 10 wins on December 4th. Guess when they had their 10th win last year? March 1st!
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I think ainge made a gamble... they are better than last year but he did not expect the injuries of lin and Russel... still they are not bottom 5 team I think... both them and the Lakers will be 6-10... pray to the lottery gods to move up 3-4 spots
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I think ainge made a gamble... they are better than last year but he did not expect the injuries of lin and Russel... still they are not bottom 5 team I think... both them and the Lakers will be 6-10... pray to the lottery gods to move up 3-4 spots
We are protected somewhat though with Lakers/Kings pick. The Kings should be a bottom 5 team for the next 2 years.
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Nets are gonna flirt with the playoffs. The stubborn people on that pick have to give in at some point
That's a stretch. They'd have to jump Charlotte, Orlando, Miami, Washington, and New York just to get to #8. I don't see them sniffing the playoffs.
But I do think they can keep pace and win 30-32 games which would likely put the pick in the 6-8 range. I'm hopeful they can do better than that but not much.
I absolutely expect them to jump Orlando. Orlando had a nice win over a dysfunctional okc team last night but they have played like one of the worst teams in the league since a hot start. I'm not sold on the Knicks being 20 wins better than last year just from dumping Carmelo. Wall is injured right now and charlotte seems like a mess. There is also a difference between flirting with and making it. By that I mean they could still be hanging around 3 games out of it in April. If you look at their scores and schedule they have been in just about every game and have lost a few they probably should have won. They have also already made two west coast trips
I hope you're right.
I will gain some confidence if they win their next two against Atlanta. Would show they are a bit better than the bottom teams. If they win those two games they will have 10 wins on December 4th. Guess when they had their 10th win last year? March 1st!
The few times I've seen them play I've enjoyed watching them. They play hard and with a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Booker seems like a heart and soul kinda guy.
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I think ainge made a gamble... they are better than last year but he did not expect the injuries of lin and Russel... still they are not bottom 5 team I think... both them and the Lakers will be 6-10... pray to the lottery gods to move up 3-4 spots
We are protected somewhat though with Lakers/Kings pick. The Kings should be a bottom 5 team for the next 2 years.
maybe. Kings have a few prospects that could be better by next year and will be adding a top pick this year to that mix. typically youth doesn't win, and in the current Western conference they'll likely get beaten a lot, but I wouldn't rule out improvement on that team where that pick may be mid-lottery rather than high-lottery in 2019. There will still be some crappy eastern teams struggling to get back to relevance that year as they rely on their bright shiny new rookies they'll acquire from this coming draft.
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The Kings could be better next year if their younger players take the next step, but the West is tough, and they will likely lose some vets like Z-Bo and George Hill which could hurt a little bit. The Lakers should be better next year, as could maybe Dallas if they land an FA and add a top pick. Of course the clips could firesale, as could Memphis. Still, I think the Kings are at the very least a bottom 8 team next season.
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I'm with those who see 30-35 wins and a slotting inside that 6-8 range in the lottery. I think they're decent enough, or play hard enough at least, to finish outside of the bottom five. Let's be honest though, if they ended up as one of the worst teams it wouldn't surprise.
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Next two games look promising with Collins and Dedmon out.
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The more players that the nets have injured, the more they win. Kind of crazy
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Nets beat the hawks.
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Nets win their 9th game in their 23rd game.
Last year they won their 9th game in their 42nd game.
At one point the were 10-51 last year. They're already 9-14. They can roll off a 10 game losing streak at any point, but Danny's trade looks better by the week, especially if the Nets don't fall apart.
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I think dannys gamble was wise but you cannot expect the injuries... hope it is a 6-10 pick and the lakers a 2-5. But I think at this stage both are outside top 5
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Welcome Jahlil Okafor and Nik Stauskas!
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Welcome Jahlil Okafor and Nik Stauskas!
Two lottery picks who are now reclamation projects. Hopefully they find their groove with the Nets and make them a better team.
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Oakfor helps them get another 5-10 wins they would not have gotten.
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Okafor is going to want to prove the sixers wrong. Win big
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Oakfor helps them get another 5-10 wins they would not have gotten.
That is an incredibly bold statement to make about a player who has been a net negative so far in his career. It would be less bold to say adding Okafor and subtracting Booker gives them a few more losses this year.
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Oakfor helps them get another 5-10 wins they would not have gotten.
That is an incredibly bold statement to make about a player who has been a net negative so far in his career. It would be less bold to say adding Okafor and subtracting Booker gives them a few more losses this year.
Gotta agree. Just don't see Okfor making a difference one way or the other in won loss record.
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Oakfor helps them get another 5-10 wins they would not have gotten.
That is an incredibly bold statement to make about a player who has been a net negative so far in his career. It would be less bold to say adding Okafor and subtracting Booker gives them a few more losses this year.
Gotta agree. Just don't see Okfor making a difference one way or the other in won loss record.
they will give him playing time along with Nik....can't be any worst than what booker provided
booker is a solid bench type player but thats it
I hope Nets are better after this trade .... take that Cavs
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i hope i don’t jinx it but nets up on okc by 6 with less than 5 min to go
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Nets win 100-95!!!
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Nets win nicely
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Oakfor helps them get another 5-10 wins they would not have gotten.
If by wins you mean horrible blowout losses then yes, I agree.
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Nets didn't get their 10th win until March last year.
I think this is an improvement. Their pick might legit be in the 10-12 range at this point.
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Nets beat Wizards and are now 11-15!
Crucial five-second violation at the end there.
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Is it proper time to start discussing the nets possibly making the playoffs?? Few wins from .500. The knicks and pistons could disappoint as always and wiz look weak
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Is it proper time to start discussing the nets possibly making the playoffs?? Few wins from .500. The knicks and pistons could disappoint as always and wiz look weak
I mentioned this in another thread but I'm concerned nets will trade dinwiddie, that would hurt
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Is it proper time to start discussing the nets possibly making the playoffs?? Few wins from .500. The knicks and pistons could disappoint as always and wiz look weak
I mentioned this in another thread but I'm concerned nets will trade dinwiddie, that would hurt
Even if the Nets barely make the playoffs, that's fine by me.
Cavaliers would then be getting back a pick outside the Top-10! ;D
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If Russell ever comes back, they might even manage to be a .500 team for stretches. I'm curious if Okafor will pass Mozgov in the rotation, since he's obviously worse than Allen and Zeller.
Wonder if the Cavs pull the trigger. The pick definitely won't be top 5. Nets are clearly better than Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas (who have been decent lately though), Phoenix and Sacramento. Probably the Magic too.
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Is it proper time to start discussing the nets possibly making the playoffs?? Few wins from .500. The knicks and pistons could disappoint as always and wiz look weak
I mentioned this in another thread but I'm concerned nets will trade dinwiddie, that would hurt
Russell will hopefully be back by then if that happens.
Dinwiddie and Russell starting together would look pretty good to me though.
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Is it proper time to start discussing the nets possibly making the playoffs?? Few wins from .500. The knicks and pistons could disappoint as always and wiz look weak
I mentioned this in another thread but I'm concerned nets will trade dinwiddie, that would hurt
They don't have their pick. Need to remember this. Brooklyn CRAVES a playoff series
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Is it proper time to start discussing the nets possibly making the playoffs?? Few wins from .500. The knicks and pistons could disappoint as always and wiz look weak
I mentioned this in another thread but I'm concerned nets will trade dinwiddie, that would hurt
They don't have their pick. Need to remember this. Brooklyn CRAVES a playoff series
cavs got fleeced in the kyrie trade if that happens
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Brooklyn beat the Wizards 119-84 to snap a four game losing streak. Now 12-19.
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Brooklyn beat the Wizards 119-84 to snap a four game losing streak. Now 12-19.
Wow - and that was with basically no injuries (although Wall only played 16 minutes). Bradley shot a scorching 2-15 from the field. Even Tyler Zeller was a +19.
And we were upset at our losses to Miami and NYK...
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Brooklyn beat the Wizards 119-84 to snap a four game losing streak. Now 12-19.
Wow - and that was with basically no injuries (although Wall only played 16 minutes). Bradley shot a scorching 2-15 from the field. Even Tyler Zeller was a +19.
And we were upset at our losses to Miami and NYK...
Well. the way we're playing lately, the Nets would kick our ass too.
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I know following the Nets is a bid deal for some because of the "what if" factor due to trading it away in the IT trade, but at this point I consider it a sunk cost and could care less what happens with the Nets. We don't own that pick anymore. So who cares?
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The "what if" is definitely part of it.
It's also still a big deal because of who owns it now (the main threat in the EC) and what they can do with it at the deadline or later as a trade chip.
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The "what if" is definitely part of it.
It's also still a big deal because of who owns it now (the main threat in the EC) and what they can do with it at the deadline or later as a trade chip.
Yeah but the Celtics got a 25 year old superstar that has already shown he can be a iiller in the biggest moments. Doesn't that kinda offset that? To me its the price of doing business with a direct rival. Yeah, hopefully, the pick sucks, but even if it doesn't....we got a 25 year old scoring PG that will be around for many years.
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The "what if" is definitely part of it.
It's also still a big deal because of who owns it now (the main threat in the EC) and what they can do with it at the deadline or later as a trade chip.
Yeah but the Celtics got a 25 year old superstar that has already shown he can be a iiller in the biggest moments. Doesn't that kinda offset that? To me its the price of doing business with a direct rival. Yeah, hopefully, the pick sucks, but even if it doesn't....we got a 25 year old scoring PG that will be around for many years.
Even though most would agree with you, some posters keep claiming the trade was bad (or are not ready to judge it until we know who CLE picks and how they turn out). It is normal to want that pick to be as crappy as possible - especially since it is now going to the hated Cavs.
Also, the thread has only been going on for like 5 pages since the beginning of the season so it's not like the obsession we've had in years past (hundreds of pages) when we actually owned the pick.
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I know following the Nets is a bid deal for some because of the "what if" factor due to trading it away in the IT trade, but at this point I consider it a sunk cost and could care less what happens with the Nets. We don't own that pick anymore. So who cares?
I am fully on board with this line of thought.
I don't think most people get the concept of a sunk cost.
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The "what if" is definitely part of it.
It's also still a big deal because of who owns it now (the main threat in the EC) and what they can do with it at the deadline or later as a trade chip.
Yeah but the Celtics got a 25 year old superstar that has already shown he can be a iiller in the biggest moments. Doesn't that kinda offset that? To me its the price of doing business with a direct rival. Yeah, hopefully, the pick sucks, but even if it doesn't....we got a 25 year old scoring PG that will be around for many years.
Even though most would agree with you, some posters keep claiming the trade was bad (or are not ready to judge it until we know who CLE picks and how they turn out). It is normal to want that pick to be as crappy as possible - especially since it is now going to the hated Cavs.
Also, the thread has only been going on for like 5 pages since the beginning of the season so it's not like the obsession we've had in years past (hundreds of pages) when we actually owned the pick.
Exactly. :)
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I enjoy keeping track for the reason I don’t want to see the Cavs get a top 5 pick, or be able to use it as great trade bait considering they are our biggest rival in the east.
It would be great if they could move towards the middle of the pack in the NBA Knicks, Heat, Jazz, Pelicans ect and away from the cluttered group they are in now.
They will get Russell back which will help them.
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I know following the Nets is a bid deal for some because of the "what if" factor due to trading it away in the IT trade, but at this point I consider it a sunk cost and could care less what happens with the Nets. We don't own that pick anymore. So who cares?
Nick bit surprised you don't see the importance of this. If the nets are doing crappy it dramatically increases the chances the cavs can flip it for a better caliber vet this season. It makes it easier for the cavs to outbid us if someone like George becomes available as a rental. That could very easily kill the chances of the Celtics making the finals this year. Than you have the fact that the right trade could make Lebron to stay in Cleveland. The Nets doing really good could dramatically impact the Celtics title chances the next couple of seasons
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I know following the Nets is a bid deal for some because of the "what if" factor due to trading it away in the IT trade, but at this point I consider it a sunk cost and could care less what happens with the Nets. We don't own that pick anymore. So who cares?
Nick bit surprised you don't see the importance of this. If the nets are doing crappy it dramatically increases the chances the cavs can flip it for a better caliber vet this season. It makes it easier for the cavs to outbid us if someone like George becomes available as a rental. That could very easily kill the chances of the Celtics making the finals this year. Than you have the fact that the right trade could make Lebron to stay in Cleveland. The Nets doing really good could dramatically impact the Celtics title chances the next couple of seasons
Meh....it might be important for what the Cavs can do to make them better this year, but the Celtics aren't getting to the Finals this year so to me, its not important
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I know following the Nets is a bid deal for some because of the "what if" factor due to trading it away in the IT trade, but at this point I consider it a sunk cost and could care less what happens with the Nets. We don't own that pick anymore. So who cares?
Nick bit surprised you don't see the importance of this. If the nets are doing crappy it dramatically increases the chances the cavs can flip it for a better caliber vet this season. It makes it easier for the cavs to outbid us if someone like George becomes available as a rental. That could very easily kill the chances of the Celtics making the finals this year. Than you have the fact that the right trade could make Lebron to stay in Cleveland. The Nets doing really good could dramatically impact the Celtics title chances the next couple of seasons
Meh....it might be important for what the Cavs can do to make them better this year, but the Celtics aren't getting to the Finals this year so to me, its not important
Pretty early to waive the white flag on the season, especially when we can add Hayward and other players
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The Nets recorded their best win of the season on Friday, beating the Wizards by 35 points. It marked their first winning margin of at least 35 points since they beat the Wizards by 37 on April 10, 2015.
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Brooklyn beat the Wizards 119-84 to snap a four game losing streak. Now 12-19.
Update: Brooklyn now 15-23 after beating the Timberwolves tonight 98-97!
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Brooklyn beat the Wizards 119-84 to snap a four game losing streak. Now 12-19.
Update: Brooklyn now 15-23 after beating the Timberwolves tonight 98-97!
My goodness. Danny Ainge take a bow.
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Imagine the look on cavs fans faces today
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Imagine if we gave them Lakers pick instead! Haha! So happy that pick is not ours now.
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Plus they are doing this wirhout Russell who is one of their top offensive options.
The Lakers are missing Ball, but their offense does not seem to suffer without him.
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Danny Ainge.....Thank you Red.
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Plus they are doing this wirhout Russell who is one of their top offensive options.
The Lakers are missing Ball, but their offense does not seem to suffer without him.
lin and Russell out allowed Dinwiddie to unleash the beast. He has outplayed lebron, beal, and now jimmy butler
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Said just after trade that Danny would have to give uo eithrr the Brooklyn pick or the LA pick. I said a lot of people will be surprised if in the end, Danny kept the right pick.
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Dinwiddie is one of the NBA's real surprises this year.
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Said just after trade that Danny would have to give uo eithrr the Brooklyn pick or the LA pick. I said a lot of people will be surprised if in the end, Danny kept the right pick.
Consider me surprised. Thought this was the least talented team in the NBA.
Still believe that actually. Hats off to Atkinson and these players. They play HARD every single night.
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Okafor finally stepped foot on the court again. 11 minutes 1 of 3 for 2 points, 2 rebounds, 2 fouls, and 1 turnover with a -1. Not the best game, but at least he got out there for decent minutes in a close game.
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I don't know if its compensation for all the times I cheered against the Nets, but I really enjoy watching them play. They remind me of the Celtics right before they got Thomas.
I think Lavert has some fringe all-star potential, but he can definitely be a good player on a good team. Dinwiddie is showing he can handle an offense and hit big shots. I like their draft pick, Allen, too.
Atkinson has done a great job as a coach for them, especially because they continue to be decimated by injuries to key guys. Those guys play a good brand of basketball - they play hard, they play fast pace, and they play on defense.
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I don't know if its compensation for all the times I cheered against the Nets, but I really enjoy watching them play. They remind me of the Celtics right before they got Thomas.
I think Lavert has some fringe all-star potential, but he can definitely be a good player on a good team. Dinwiddie is showing he can handle an offense and hit big shots. I like their draft pick, Allen, too.
Atkinson has done a great job as a coach for them, especially because they continue to be decimated by injuries to key guys. Those guys play a good brand of basketball - they play hard, they play fast pace, and they play on defense.
This is a good comp. Brooklyn plays hard. Not much blue chip talent (especially with Russell out) but Marks/Atkinson have done a great job the past 2 years turning that mess around.
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The Nets won their 15th game last night.
So this season, they won their 15th game on January 4th, the 38th game of the season.
Last season, they didn't win their 15th game until March 23rd, the 71st game of the season.
Danny is on quite a roll.
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Brooklyn has surprise me this year..even with Russell and Lin out..
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Said just after trade that Danny would have to give uo eithrr the Brooklyn pick or the LA pick. I said a lot of people will be surprised if in the end, Danny kept the right pick.
Consider me surprised. Thought this was the least talented team in the NBA.
Still believe that actually. Hats off to Atkinson and these players. They play HARD every single night.
I think you underrate their talent upgrade, especially for the type of style they want to play. Maybe they don't have many "names" but guys like Crabbe and Carrol are legit NBA talents that had significant roles on playoff teams.
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Another plus is the diminishing value of the Nets pick as the trade deadline gets closer. In the 10th lottery slot currently and 4 games from the 8th seed, the Cavaliers are watching an opportunity to bolster the team fade away.
Keep it going Brooklyn.
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Another plus is the diminishing value of the Nets pick as the trade deadline gets closer. In the 10th lottery slot currently and 4 games from the 8th seed, the Cavaliers are watching an opportunity to bolster the team fade away.
Keep it going Brooklyn.
Yes. This. If the Nets were comfortable in the 2nd or 3rd slot the Cavs could certainly trade it for a better player easily and really dominate the east this year/possibly keep Lebron
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Another plus is the diminishing value of the Nets pick as the trade deadline gets closer. In the 10th lottery slot currently and 4 games from the 8th seed, the Cavaliers are watching an opportunity to bolster the team fade away.
Keep it going Brooklyn.
they are also only 4.5 games from the worst record in the league. There are a lot of bad teams this year. Should be an interesting second half of the season.
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Said just after trade that Danny would have to give uo eithrr the Brooklyn pick or the LA pick. I said a lot of people will be surprised if in the end, Danny kept the right pick.
Consider me surprised. Thought this was the least talented team in the NBA.
Still believe that actually. Hats off to Atkinson and these players. They play HARD every single night.
I think you underrate their talent upgrade, especially for the type of style they want to play. Maybe they don't have many "names" but guys like Crabbe and Carrol are legit NBA talents that had significant roles on playoff teams.
Those guys are OK players, but neither are nearly as good as Brook Lopez in my book.
Plus look at the talent on some of the squads below them. The Hawks have Bazemore and Schroeder Ilyasova and Dedmon are pretty decent too.
The Lakers dont have much but KCP, Lopez, Ingram, Clarkson, Randle, Ball etc. They have more talent.
Orlando has Aaron Gordon Fournier, Vucevic, Payton, Simmons and Ross
Sacramento is pretty bad.
Dallas has Barnes and Dirk and Wes Matthews
Chicago has Mirotic and Portis and Lopez and Dunn and will get Lavine soon.
Phoenix has Devin Booker, Greg Monroe and a couple recent top 10 picks.
Charlotte is obviously way more talented, and yet Brooklyn has a better record than all these teams. Its unbelievable what Atkinson has been able to do.
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Carroll was mentioned in Woj's trade speculation article today too. Right knee sprain during the last play of the C's game.
Kenny Atkinson confirmed that DeMarre Carroll avoided serious injury, is day to day with a sprain. #nets
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Lewis/status/950501226990522370
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Another plus is the diminishing value of the Nets pick as the trade deadline gets closer. In the 10th lottery slot currently and 4 games from the 8th seed, the Cavaliers are watching an opportunity to bolster the team fade away.
Keep it going Brooklyn.
they are also only 4.5 games from the worst record in the league. There are a lot of bad teams this year. Should be an interesting second half of the season.
You realize 4.5 is 35-40%% of what these bottom teams have won in half the season? When you are talking about 22 win teams over the course of the year... 4.5 is pretty significant...
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Carroll was mentioned in Woj's trade speculation article today too. Right knee sprain during the last play of the C's game.
Kenny Atkinson confirmed that DeMarre Carroll avoided serious injury, is day to day with a sprain. #nets
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Lewis/status/950501226990522370
Glad it’s not serious. That said, I can’t imagine teams are lining up to acquire the $15.4 million Carroll is owed next season. If the Nets can move that for less than the 1st round pick Toronto paid them to take it, good for them.
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Another plus is the diminishing value of the Nets pick as the trade deadline gets closer. In the 10th lottery slot currently and 4 games from the 8th seed, the Cavaliers are watching an opportunity to bolster the team fade away.
Keep it going Brooklyn.
They should have traded the pick when they acquired it, but fortunately for the Celtics, LeBron gave no commitment to them beyond this season so they need it as rebuilding insurance.
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So close. Net's are really balling now. Dinwiddie was a thrown in or a salary clearing trade if I remember correctly - he's been great.
Would be nice if the OP could put the updated pick slot in the subject line like in #lakerspick, so I can cheer when it goes below 10.
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Russell is practicing with a G-League team and should be back soon, plus they have a great matchup @ Atlanta Friday.
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Said just after trade that Danny would have to give uo eithrr the Brooklyn pick or the LA pick. I said a lot of people will be surprised if in the end, Danny kept the right pick.
Consider me surprised. Thought this was the least talented team in the NBA.
Still believe that actually. Hats off to Atkinson and these players. They play HARD every single night.
I think you underrate their talent upgrade, especially for the type of style they want to play. Maybe they don't have many "names" but guys like Crabbe and Carrol are legit NBA talents that had significant roles on playoff teams.
Those guys are OK players, but neither are nearly as good as Brook Lopez in my book.
Plus look at the talent on some of the squads below them. The Hawks have Bazemore and Schroeder Ilyasova and Dedmon are pretty decent too.
The Lakers dont have much but KCP, Lopez, Ingram, Clarkson, Randle, Ball etc. They have more talent.
Orlando has Aaron Gordon Fournier, Vucevic, Payton, Simmons and Ross
Sacramento is pretty bad.
Dallas has Barnes and Dirk and Wes Matthews
Chicago has Mirotic and Portis and Lopez and Dunn and will get Lavine soon.
Phoenix has Devin Booker, Greg Monroe and a couple recent top 10 picks.
Charlotte is obviously way more talented, and yet Brooklyn has a better record than all these teams. Its unbelievable what Atkinson has been able to do.
Brook Lopez is so bad defensively that teams are just better off not playing him for long periods of time. the Nets got better by removing Lopez from the lineup.
The Nets always were going to be a decent bad team. They are able to just bomb and hit at a very high rate. They are very deep on the wing so they can just keep swapping in and out players to stay healthy. And Allen Crabbe is better than anyone on the Hawks, Bulls, Kings, Lakers, and maybe Magic (I'm still not entirely sold on Gordon or Vucevic). I think you are seriously underestimating how good he is. Demarre Carroll is a cagey vet. LeVert, RHJ, Dinwiddie, and Harris show good promise. Russell obviously has a lot of potential (shame he has missed so much time). The Nets were never going to be a bottom 3 team and Ainge knew it, which is why he included that pick instead of the Lakers pick (the Lakers were far more likely to bottom out).
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NBA releases their “last two minute” report following last night’s Raptors-Nets game.
Crabbe was fouled on his bucket that tied the game.
And Dinwiddie was fouled on his late dunk attempt.
Both not called...
https://twitter.com/Grady/status/950864674278510593
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Said just after trade that Danny would have to give uo eithrr the Brooklyn pick or the LA pick. I said a lot of people will be surprised if in the end, Danny kept the right pick.
Consider me surprised. Thought this was the least talented team in the NBA.
Still believe that actually. Hats off to Atkinson and these players. They play HARD every single night.
I think you underrate their talent upgrade, especially for the type of style they want to play. Maybe they don't have many "names" but guys like Crabbe and Carrol are legit NBA talents that had significant roles on playoff teams.
Those guys are OK players, but neither are nearly as good as Brook Lopez in my book.
Plus look at the talent on some of the squads below them. The Hawks have Bazemore and Schroeder Ilyasova and Dedmon are pretty decent too.
The Lakers dont have much but KCP, Lopez, Ingram, Clarkson, Randle, Ball etc. They have more talent.
Orlando has Aaron Gordon Fournier, Vucevic, Payton, Simmons and Ross
Sacramento is pretty bad.
Dallas has Barnes and Dirk and Wes Matthews
Chicago has Mirotic and Portis and Lopez and Dunn and will get Lavine soon.
Phoenix has Devin Booker, Greg Monroe and a couple recent top 10 picks.
Charlotte is obviously way more talented, and yet Brooklyn has a better record than all these teams. Its unbelievable what Atkinson has been able to do.
Brook Lopez is so bad defensively that teams are just better off not playing him for long periods of time. the Nets got better by removing Lopez from the lineup.
The Nets always were going to be a decent bad team. They are able to just bomb and hit at a very high rate. They are very deep on the wing so they can just keep swapping in and out players to stay healthy. And Allen Crabbe is better than anyone on the Hawks, Bulls, Kings, Lakers, and maybe Magic (I'm still not entirely sold on Gordon or Vucevic). I think you are seriously underestimating how good he is. Demarre Carroll is a cagey vet. LeVert, RHJ, Dinwiddie, and Harris show good promise. Russell obviously has a lot of potential (shame he has missed so much time). The Nets were never going to be a bottom 3 team and Ainge knew it, which is why he included that pick instead of the Lakers pick (the Lakers were far more likely to bottom out).
Not to mention they're well-coached and have a system - a system that's designed for winning and not tanking. They seem to have strong belief in the coach and the system. I think they are a version of what the Celts were when CBS first came (minus the incoming picks and other things) in the sense that they installed a system that will work when they get better players. They play hard and take pride in the game. That's worth a few wins when you're talking about the bottom of the barrel.
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nets tie it up with washington after being down over 20 to go to OT
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D'Angelo Russell (left knee surgery) is listed as PROBABLE by the Brooklyn Nets for tomorrow's home game versus the Miami Heat.
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/954108035814842368
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Russell scored 1 pt and nets won. Nets don't need Russell to win which is a good sign. Imagine when He gets the rust off
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Russell scored 1 pt and nets won. Nets don't need Russell to win which is a good sign. Imagine when He gets the rust off
Getting Russell was a major coup for the Nets, he looked really good this season prior to going down with an injury.
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Russell scored 1 pt and nets won. Nets don't need Russell to win which is a good sign. Imagine when He gets the rust off
Getting Russell was a major coup for the Nets, he looked really good this season prior to going down with an injury.
It's a shame they gave up the pick that landed the Lakers Kuzma to get him, though. That bugs the heck out of me. Bad luck.
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It looked like Drummond took three steps on the possession before the Dinwiddie game winner. Nets now 18-29 (8th slot) with today's win @DET!
Game winner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE4NPipQEJM
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Keep winning
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Russell scored 1 pt and nets won. Nets don't need Russell to win which is a good sign. Imagine when He gets the rust off
Getting Russell was a major coup for the Nets, he looked really good this season prior to going down with an injury.
It's a shame they gave up the pick that landed the Lakers Kuzma to get him, though. That bugs the heck out of me. Bad luck.
To me, it's a shame that the Celtics had to give that up to the Nets due to NBA rules that you can't trade consecutive first rounders. Had there not been such a rule, you KNOW Ainge would've been able to keep it as he was bending Billy King over. ;)
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If Brooklyn wins tonight vs. LAL, they will have matched their 2016-2017 win total (20)!! 8)
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If Brooklyn wins tonight vs. LAL, they will have matched their 2016-2017 win total (20)!! 8)
Pray the Nets win this game!
TP for optimism! :)
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
Never let the grudge game die. NEVER.
Go Nets!
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
There's also the best case scenario. Brooklyn wins their last three. NY and Chicago lose their last three and the Lakers win the 2nd pick in the lottery. That gives Celtics #2 pick and Cleveland #10
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
There's also the best case scenario. Brooklyn wins their last three. NY and Chicago lose their last three and the Lakers win the 2nd pick in the lottery. That gives Celtics #2 pick and Cleveland #10
I would love it. I guess there are reasons why it might be better for the C's to wait and get the Kings pick next season (for cap reasons) but it would be worth it for the laugh I'd get out of that happening.
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
There's also the best case scenario. Brooklyn wins their last three. NY and Chicago lose their last three and the Lakers win the 2nd pick in the lottery. That gives Celtics #2 pick and Cleveland #10
I would love it. I guess there are reasons why it might be better for the C's to wait and get the Kings pick next season (for cap reasons) but it would be worth it for the laugh I'd get out of that happening.
Dude I would be so happy if we somehow ended up getting the #2 pick via LAL. It would be a season success despite all these injuries. But miracles do not happen often, so meh :(
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
There's also the best case scenario. Brooklyn wins their last three. NY and Chicago lose their last three and the Lakers win the 2nd pick in the lottery. That gives Celtics #2 pick and Cleveland #10
I would love it. I guess there are reasons why it might be better for the C's to wait and get the Kings pick next season (for cap reasons) but it would be worth it for the laugh I'd get out of that happening.
We get then lakers pick if it lands at 2 or 3. That’s best case scenario. There is not a single reason to prefer waiting on the kings pick (which in all likelihood will be worse in a worse class$ to getting the lakers pick. No reason whatsoever.
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I see no reason BKN shouldn't win their last 3. Chicago has no desire whatsoever to beat BKN in either game and Brad should be resting pretty much everybody except Bird, Allen, Nader, Gibson, Ojeleye, and Yabusele.
The NYK win last night hurt their chances a bit, but they should pull solidly into 8th by passing Chicago and keeping ahead of Sac.
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
There's also the best case scenario. Brooklyn wins their last three. NY and Chicago lose their last three and the Lakers win the 2nd pick in the lottery. That gives Celtics #2 pick and Cleveland #10
I would love it. I guess there are reasons why it might be better for the C's to wait and get the Kings pick next season (for cap reasons) but it would be worth it for the laugh I'd get out of that happening.
We get then lakers pick if it lands at 2 or 3. That’s best case scenario. There is not a single reason to prefer waiting on the kings pick (which in all likelihood will be worse in a worse class$ to getting the lakers pick. No reason whatsoever.
I like Zion Williamson. He could really be a force in transition, and I think his athleticism and his lateral quickness for his size is reminiscent of Dominique Wilkins.
That being said, I agree. Draft this year is absolutely stockpiled with talent, I would love to be able to draft Mikal Bridges. I think he's a star, a role player, and consummate teammate all in one.
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
There's also the best case scenario. Brooklyn wins their last three. NY and Chicago lose their last three and the Lakers win the 2nd pick in the lottery. That gives Celtics #2 pick and Cleveland #10
I would love it. I guess there are reasons why it might be better for the C's to wait and get the Kings pick next season (for cap reasons) but it would be worth it for the laugh I'd get out of that happening.
We get then lakers pick if it lands at 2 or 3. That’s best case scenario. There is not a single reason to prefer waiting on the kings pick (which in all likelihood will be worse in a worse class$ to getting the lakers pick. No reason whatsoever.
I like Zion Williamson. He could really be a force in transition, and I think his athleticism and his lateral quickness for his size is reminiscent of Dominique Wilkins.
That being said, I agree. Draft this year is absolutely stockpiled with talent, I would love to be able to draft Mikal Bridges. I think he's a star, a role player, and consummate teammate all in one.
NBAdraft.net has Mikal Bridges going to the Sixers with the 10th pick. If I were a Sixers fan, I'd be drooling at that prospect. He'd be a great fit for them.
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Kind of sucks that we dealt the Nets pick to Cavs instead of Lakers. That was my only beef with that trade. Wish we hado top 3 protection on it.
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Brooklyn is favored tonight with Chicago on SEGABABA.
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
Definitely. 6-9 sounds good. Not a bad place to be considering how awful the Nets were last year.
I see no reason BKN shouldn't win their last 3. Chicago has no desire whatsoever to beat BKN in either game and Brad should be resting pretty much everybody except Bird, Allen, Nader, Gibson, Ojeleye, and Yabusele.
The NYK win last night hurt their chances a bit, but they should pull solidly into 8th by passing Chicago and keeping ahead of Sac.
Agree about that C's starting lineup! Hoping Sean Kilpatrick doesn't go all Jerryd Bayless!
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How bad will the Nets tank next year? It will be their first chance at getting a top draft choice in a hundred years! I hope they don't out stink the Kings.
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How bad will the Nets tank next year? It will be their first chance at getting a top draft choice in a hundred years! I hope they don't out stink the Kings.
Won’t matter as much next year with equal odds for bottom 3 teams and selecting the first 5 slots.
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How bad will the Nets tank next year? It will be their first chance at getting a top draft choice in a hundred years! I hope they don't out stink the Kings.
Won’t matter as much next year with equal odds for bottom 3 teams and selecting the first 5 slots.
They're selecting the 1st 4 slots not 5. I don't think the changes will affect tanking that much. Finishing worst guarantees a top 5 pick. Finish 3rd worst and you could drop to 7th.
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Nets up 10 pts. 1:55 until halftime
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Nets 26-53 (7th) after tonight's win @ MIL. NYK and CHI have 27 wins, SAC 25.
three games left: two vs. Bulls and last game vs. C's
:)
I hope the Bulls are fully given up on the season. The Nets could go from 7th to 9th pretty quick. Seems like the worst case scenario (for us) is likely 6th.
There's also the best case scenario. Brooklyn wins their last three. NY and Chicago lose their last three and the Lakers win the 2nd pick in the lottery. That gives Celtics #2 pick and Cleveland #10
I would love it. I guess there are reasons why it might be better for the C's to wait and get the Kings pick next season (for cap reasons) but it would be worth it for the laugh I'd get out of that happening.
We get then lakers pick if it lands at 2 or 3. That’s best case scenario. There is not a single reason to prefer waiting on the kings pick (which in all likelihood will be worse in a worse class$ to getting the lakers pick. No reason whatsoever.
You cannot say with any certainty that the upcoming draft class will be better than the 2019 draft class. Heck, we don't even know yet if the 2019 draft class will contain players straight from high school or not. Adam Silver wants that rule changed back to how it was before, and so do the players.
Also, there's a few scenarios where the Lakers pick conveying this summer could put the team in a financial bind, seeing as how the team is going to be flirting with the luxury tax. Boston is already more or less guaranteed to be over the tax line in the upcoming years, so the ability to stay under the tax this summer is going to be important. It might mean the difference between being able to keep, or having to let go of, any one of Smart, Baynes, or Monroe.
What if the Lakers pick is #5 this year, but the Kings pick ends up #2 next year?
There are definitely scenarios where it may be better for the pick to be pushed back to next year.
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Watch Cavs fans panic as the game goes on: http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/welcome-2018-brooklyn-nets-1st-round-pick.48261/page-718
All I wanted was top 6 or 7 which was in the works literally until tonight...now it's going to be 8th or 9th. SMH. Those 2-3 spots could prove costly ....whether we use the pick or trade it.
BTW, even if we trade it, the trade can't be consummated until August like the Wiggins trade unless we acquire another first round pick and are allowed to trade the Nets pick. So it's gonna be a long summer...
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Watch Cavs fans panic as the game goes on: http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/welcome-2018-brooklyn-nets-1st-round-pick.48261/page-718
All I wanted was top 6 or 7 which was in the works literally until tonight...now it's going to be 8th or 9th. SMH. Those 2-3 spots could prove costly ....whether we use the pick or trade it.
BTW, even if we trade it, the trade can't be consummated until August like the Wiggins trade unless we acquire another first round pick and are allowed to trade the Nets pick. So it's gonna be a long summer...
TP for the update! There's nothing better than the agony of a Cavs fan (other than a Lakers fan! ;D ). A couple of weeks ago there were a number of people around here who were pretty sour that the pick would end up around #5. I - along with others - assured them that the Nets had a pretty easy remaining schedule and no reason whatsoever to tank. It is great to see things come to fruition. I was assuming they would end up around 7th or 8th, but 9th would be amazing!
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Watch Cavs fans panic as the game goes on: http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/welcome-2018-brooklyn-nets-1st-round-pick.48261/page-718
All I wanted was top 6 or 7 which was in the works literally until tonight...now it's going to be 8th or 9th. SMH. Those 2-3 spots could prove costly ....whether we use the pick or trade it.
BTW, even if we trade it, the trade can't be consummated until August like the Wiggins trade unless we acquire another first round pick and are allowed to trade the Nets pick. So it's gonna be a long summer...
TP for the update! There's nothing better than the agony of a Cavs fan (other than a Lakers fan! ;D ). A couple of weeks ago there were a number of people around here who were pretty sour that the pick would end up around #5. I - along with others - assured them that the Nets had a pretty easy remaining schedule and no reason whatsoever to tank. It is great to see things come to fruition. I was assuming they would end up around 7th or 8th, but 9th would be amazing!
The best part will be when we rest all of our main guys on Wednesday against Brooklyn and essentially help them get to the 9 spot, irking every Cavs fan to the bone! ;D
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Final: Nets 124, Bulls 96
Nets tied with Bulls now at 27-53...rematch Monday @ BKN!!
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Final: Nets 124, Bulls 96
Nets tied with Bulls now at 27-53...rematch Monday @ BKN!!
And a game behind the Knicks!
Kyrie for Kevin Knox and filler. Wow.
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Before the season started but after the trade went down, I read somewhere that the celtics analytics team projected the pick to be 9th. Looks like they may have been right
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Nets made as many 3's as the Rockets and the Thunder combined tonight.
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could be 9th
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could be 9th
9th is not a top 3 pick that many thought it would bring .
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Nets made as many 3's as the Rockets and the Thunder combined tonight.
I went to this game while visiting here in Chicago (our annual spring guys' trip) and it was putrid. Coolio at halftime was the best part lol. The Bulls were tanking as blatantly as you could with everyone sitting, and whenever Bobby Portis would make a few shots he'd get pulled.
In the 3rd quarter the Nets couldn't miss, and took an insane amount of 3's the whole game. It's the first live game I've been to in about 4-years and really can't stand what it's become, though that's a conversation for a different thread. I expect the Nets to win a few more games this season as they're definitely trying to and have some talent. Allen in particular looked like a decent prospect.
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Before the season started but after the trade went down, I read somewhere that the celtics analytics team projected the pick to be 9th. Looks like they may have been right
i hope we help them out with that by losing to them last game of season
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could be 9th
9th is not a top 3 pick that many thought it would bring .
I think most people thought the Nets wouldn't finish worst 3 considering there would be several tanking teams. I think a few even said the Nets could make the playoffs. However the pick can still end up top 3 after the lottery and the Cavs have gotten the #1 pick twice this decade from the #8 and #9 spots.
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Just need to hope the Cavs don't get hit by lightning again by the lottery gods at this point.
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Just need to hope the Cavs don't get hit by lightning again by the lottery gods at this point.
Don't even say it jokingly. Gives me chills
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The Nets are still going to be bad, but for the sake of looking at this positively:
Look around the bottom of the Eastern conference this season. The Bulls, Hawks, Magic, and Pacers are going to be awful. Really bad. The Nets didn't really have any tanking competition in the East last season but they will this year. Even if the Nets are terrible and win 25 games, could there be 3 or 4 more teams win 24 games or less, just in the East?
I think it's possible.
Throw in bad years from the Lakers, Suns, and Kings and there is a universe in which the Nets are just as bad as we thought but they wind up with the 7th pick in a 5 player draft.
Here's hoping.
The Nets are going to be bad but that's not going to stop me from rooting for them to exceed expectations.
I think the Bulls and Hawks are going to be worse. After that, there's a bunch of teams that are going to be bad. The Kings, Suns, and Lakers will be bad and have superior competition in the West driving their win totals down. In the East, the Pacers, Magic, and Knicks have some more talent but could still be really bad.
As bad as the Nets will be, it's still conceivable to me that they could wind up with the 9th pick.
I think they will be in the upper 20's in wins, but wouldn't be surprised if they won in the teens and were the worst record again.
I expect Brooklyn to finish in that 25-30ish wins range and yield a pick right around the middle of the lottery.
Maybe the Nets pick will end up top 5 as you say it will, but the Celtics front office believes it won't, based on analytical data.
ding ding ding! two games to go (vs. CHI and @ BOS) but these looking good
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Just need to hope the Cavs don't get hit by lightning again by the lottery gods at this point.
Interestingly enough, they picked Irving, Bennett, and Wiggins #1. You would think that CLE would have gotten a bigger yield from 3 #1 picks.
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could be 9th
9th is not a top 3 pick that many thought it would bring .
Having a top-10 pick is pretty good when you are the favorites to win the Eastern Conference.
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Just need to hope the Cavs don't get hit by lightning again by the lottery gods at this point.
Interestingly enough, they picked Irving, Bennett, and Wiggins #1. You would think that CLE would have gotten a bigger yield from 3 #1 picks.
They did pretty well in hitting 2/3, all thing considered. Draft picks bust sometimes, even #1s.
Kyrie won them a championship, and Love (Wiggins) helped along the way.
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The upcoming draft is an 8 player draft. After 8, the talent drops pretty steeply
At the 8 slot, they could still get Young/Carter/Bamba/porter depending on who slides.
But at 9 they're stuck getting one of the Bridges
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The upcoming draft is an 8 player draft. After 8, the talent drops pretty steeply
At the 8 slot, they could still get Young/Carter/Bamba/porter depending on who slides.
But at 9 they're stuck getting one of the Bridges
Trae Young is not elite - that is just extremely high usage and having the ball in his hands A LOT.
Carter is nice, but not elite.
Bamba and Porter will not slip past 6. Bank on that...
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13-4 BRK right now 1st Q
I took two months off from watching this team after the Lakers pick dream ended. This is fun!
Wednesday's going to be nerve-racking!!! :o
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Nets still up decently late in 3rd
Cavs forum going into melt down
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Nets still up decently late in 3rd
Cavs forum going into melt down
very enjoyable
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Nets still up decently late in 3rd
Cavs forum going into melt down
very enjoyable
Here's some gems:
One cavs fan tried to get a win-win scenario so he bet money the nets would win by 11+. They only Won by 9 lol
Paying $7 put money on Nets winning by 11+ points, Russell to score 16+ and Crabbe 13+
Brooklyn at home, Joe Harris out and Bulls in biggest tank game of the year
I want a Chicago win.
Just airballed an 18 footer with no one within 10 feet of him. The Bulls are so awful
http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/welcome-2018-brooklyn-nets-1st-round-pick.48261/page-730
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Nets still up decently late in 3rd
Cavs forum going into melt down
Wow - 731 pages in their BKN pick thread so far. That is truly incredible. I can't tell you how happy I am that the pick will end up 8th or 9th. Come on, Brad, you rested all of our good players down the stretch against ATL; hopefully you do the same against the Nets on Wed!
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Nets win 114-105. One game to go!! NYK @ CLE and BKN @ BOS 4/11
1. Suns 20-61
2. Grizzlies 22-59
3-5. Hawks, Magic, Mavs 24-57
6. Kings 26-55
7. Bulls 27-54
8-9. Nets and Knicks 28-53
10. Lakers 34-46
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What I want more than anything is the Brooklyn pick to go 9th, the Lakers pick 10th but after the lottery the Celtics picking 2nd and the Cavs picking 10th or later. OMG I would be going on Cavs and Laker sites trolling for weeks in celebration
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Nets win 114-105. One game to go!! NYK @ CLE and BKN @ BOS 4/11
1. Suns 20-61
2. Grizzlies 22-59
3-5. Hawks, Magic, Mavs 24-57
6. Kings 26-55
7. Bulls 27-54
8-9. Nets and Knicks 28-53
10. Lakers 34-46
As bad as Brooklyn's roster is, this is about as good of an outcome as Danny could've hoped for in giving up the pick. I'm pretty happy.
I could be happier, of course. ;)
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Wonder how many or which C's players can be rested on SEGABABA without NBA fines :D
predictions for starting lineup?
I hope it's Bird, Allen, Gibson, Nader, Yabu
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Nets still up decently late in 3rd
Cavs forum going into melt down
very enjoyable
Here's some gems:
One cavs fan tried to get a win-win scenario so he bet money the nets would win by 11+. They only Won by 9 lol
Paying $7 put money on Nets winning by 11+ points, Russell to score 16+ and Crabbe 13+
Brooklyn at home, Joe Harris out and Bulls in biggest tank game of the year
I want a Chicago win.
Just airballed an 18 footer with no one within 10 feet of him. The Bulls are so awful
http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/welcome-2018-brooklyn-nets-1st-round-pick.48261/page-730
i have regularly browsed that forum this season. It has been a real emotional roller coaster for those guys, and barring some crazy lottery luck, this is about the worst position it has been in all season.
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I’ll be at Nets game cheering them on I guess.
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Nets still up decently late in 3rd
Cavs forum going into melt down
very enjoyable
Here's some gems:
One cavs fan tried to get a win-win scenario so he bet money the nets would win by 11+. They only Won by 9 lol
Paying $7 put money on Nets winning by 11+ points, Russell to score 16+ and Crabbe 13+
Brooklyn at home, Joe Harris out and Bulls in biggest tank game of the year
I want a Chicago win.
Just airballed an 18 footer with no one within 10 feet of him. The Bulls are so awful
http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/welcome-2018-brooklyn-nets-1st-round-pick.48261/page-730
My favorite is the fan who said it should be easy to trade Zizic, Osman and a protected 2022 first for a bonafide star PG :)
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https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/984191435758100481
BOSTON CELTICS STARTING LINEUPS
GAME 1
Kyrie Irving
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Gordon Hayward
Al Horford
GAME 82
Shane Larkin
Jabari Bird
Abdel Nader
Guershon Yabusele
Aron Baynes
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https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/984191435758100481
BOSTON CELTICS STARTING LINEUPS
GAME 1
Kyrie Irving
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Gordon Hayward
Al Horford
GAME 82
Shane Larkin
Jabari Bird
Abdel Nader
Guershon Yabusele
Aron Baynes
Redclaws vs Nets
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Brown and Tatum missing from warmups. May be sitting.
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Oh well, looks like BKN is locked into the 8th spot in terms of lottery odds. The Knicks are killing Cleveland and BKN is putting on one of the most embarrassing performances I have ever seen from a team actually trying to win. The Cs currently have a 19 point lead while missing their top 8 players +Theis.
Watching this game, I am not quite sure how this BKN team actually won any games this season so I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that they miraculously finished ahead of 7 other teams.
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8th and a 9.9% chance at top 3
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8th and a 9.9% chance at top 3
So, they will have the 10th pick, once we jump to #2.
The other team that will jump to #3 is Charlotte. It's been a while since we've seen them completely squander a top pick and they are about due. I'm sure MJ is scouring this deep talent pool to find the next Adam Morrison, even as I write this.
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We should have tanked the game
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Congrats to Cleveland on the 8th pick ;D
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Kyrie for #8 , ouch
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Congrats to Cleveland on the 8th pick ;D
I'm not sure how the Nets finished with 28 wins with that crappy team - Kenny Atkinson did a helluva job - but it's nice that the Cavs really got jack crap out of the Kyrie trade.
Kyrie Irving for
#8 pick
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Zizic
George Hill
BOS 2nd round choice
Is that it? Am I missing something?
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Congrats to Cleveland on the 8th pick ;D
I'm not sure how the Nets finished with 28 wins with that crappy team - Kenny Atkinson did a helluva job - but it's nice that the Cavs really got jack crap out of the Kyrie trade.
Kyrie Irving for
#8 pick
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Zizic
George Hill
Is that it? Am I missing something?
Kyrie is worth all of that, plus more.
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Congrats to Cleveland on the 8th pick ;D
I'm not sure how the Nets finished with 28 wins with that crappy team - Kenny Atkinson did a helluva job - but it's nice that the Cavs really got jack crap out of the Kyrie trade.
Kyrie Irving for
#8 pick
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Zizic
George Hill
Is that it? Am I missing something?
Kyrie is worth all of that, plus more.
I missed a BOS 2nd rounder AND Cleveland giving away the #24 pick this year but I'm serious....is that really the end result of this deal? I feel like I'm missing something big out of this.
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enjoy the pick Cavs! Highway robbery trade is official
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Congrats to Cleveland on the 8th pick ;D
I'm not sure how the Nets finished with 28 wins with that crappy team - Kenny Atkinson did a helluva job - but it's nice that the Cavs really got jack crap out of the Kyrie trade.
Kyrie Irving for
#8 pick
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Zizic
George Hill
Is that it? Am I missing something?
Kyrie is worth all of that, plus more.
I missed a BOS 2nd rounder AND Cleveland giving away the #24 pick this year but I'm serious....is that really the end result of this deal? I feel like I'm missing something big out of this.
I still think it doesn't make sense to say Kyrie was traded for players that were received in different, later deals.
Kyrie was got for what turned out to be the #8 pick, an eventual second rounder, 2 bench players, and 1 player who can't get off the bench.
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Congrats to Cleveland on the 8th pick ;D
I'm not sure how the Nets finished with 28 wins with that crappy team - Kenny Atkinson did a helluva job - but it's nice that the Cavs really got jack crap out of the Kyrie trade.
Kyrie Irving for
#8 pick
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Zizic
George Hill
BOS 2nd round choice
Is that it? Am I missing something?
Hood
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Congrats to Cleveland on the 8th pick ;D
I'm not sure how the Nets finished with 28 wins with that crappy team - Kenny Atkinson did a helluva job - but it's nice that the Cavs really got jack crap out of the Kyrie trade.
Kyrie Irving for
#8 pick
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Zizic
George Hill
BOS 2nd round choice
Is that it? Am I missing something?
Hood
Cleveland gave away #25 pick in the LAL trade.
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Congrats to Cleveland on the 8th pick ;D
I'm not sure how the Nets finished with 28 wins with that crappy team - Kenny Atkinson did a helluva job - but it's nice that the Cavs really got jack crap out of the Kyrie trade.
Kyrie Irving for
#8 pick
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Zizic
George Hill
BOS 2nd round choice
Is that it? Am I missing something?
Hood
Yeah, but if you back to the old CB forum posts, you know that Ante Zizic is a budding allstar. ;D
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Yeah, but if you back to the old CB forum posts, you know that Ante Zizic is a budding allstar. ;D
I know you are just being snarky but Zizic is still a promising young big that most teams would be glad to have in the mix. The make or break for this trade in my mind was always Isaiah Thomas (not the Nets pick or Zizic). I thought that IT was going to be a factor for the Cavs for their playoff run. I expect that they thought that too. IT ended up doing nothing for them and was traded for some decent young depth players. Not a total loss for CLE but not what they were expecting I am sure. Even if the Nets pick had ended up #1, I am still glad to have Kyrie (even #1 picks don't always work out).
Of course Kyrie is hurt for the playoffs to add some irony but this has to go down as a good trade for the Celtics, even great.