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Title: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: CelticsElite on May 27, 2018, 11:26:19 PM
Update: Injured Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving did not attend his team's Game 7 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers because he had undergone surgery for a deviated septum, coach Danny Ainge said Monday.

Irving had not played in the Celtics' run to the Eastern Conference finals after undergoing a pair of surgeries in March and April to remove screws from his left patella that had become infected. The team indicated at the time that he was expected to need four to five months to recover

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23631844/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-does-not-attend-game-7-due-deviated-septum-surgery

https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1000937257673478144
Skip Bayless ✔
 I'm a Kyrie fan but (unless he had a legit excuse) I'm very disappointed he wasn't at the game tonight. The Celtics could've at least used his presence on the bench and in the huddle.
11:10 PM - May 27, 2018


Update- this verified guy says kyrie was in the locker room https://twitter.com/bansky/status/1000952795078451200

Wonder if the beef with lebron was that big where he didn't want the chance it to congratulate lebron
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: droopdog7 on May 27, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
I don’t care.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: slamtheking on May 27, 2018, 11:27:47 PM
would have been nice if he was there but I'm not going to lose sleep over it
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: gouki88 on May 27, 2018, 11:28:01 PM
If he didn't get to see it, then I'm simply jealous!

But yeah, don't care
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 27, 2018, 11:28:29 PM
Skip who?

Does he run Kyrie's itinerary?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: GratefulCs on May 27, 2018, 11:28:45 PM
so THAT'S why we lost
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: jambr380 on May 27, 2018, 11:29:24 PM
Somebody very close to him better have died. If these guys are going to be paid tens of millions of dollars a year, the least they can do is show up to the games when they are injured. Being a game 7 magnifies this even more. Maybe he didn't want there to be drama between him and the Cavs/Lebron, but it just gives off a bad impression
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 27, 2018, 11:29:32 PM
You already know how I feel about his game absences, though I usually get skewered for it.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Banner18now! on May 27, 2018, 11:30:07 PM
I think it's pathetic he wasn't there. Game 7 support your team.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: BitterJim on May 27, 2018, 11:30:10 PM
Depends on why he wasn't there. I'm not gonna judge him off of zero information
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Ogaju on May 27, 2018, 11:31:51 PM
I still do not understand why a player getting paid does not attend games..it should be mandatory unless you have a doctor’s excuse.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Billz401 on May 27, 2018, 11:32:17 PM
Probably didnt want to endure another game of just dumb basketball..
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Bucketgetter on May 27, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
I still do not understand why a player getting paid does not attend games..it should be mandatory unless you have a doctor’s excuse.
Hmm, do you remember why Kyrie is not playing?? :o
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: jbpats on May 27, 2018, 11:34:10 PM
It’s a bad look, even Mark Jackson called it out.
I really don’t care but he probably should have been there.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Ogaju on May 27, 2018, 11:35:53 PM
I still do not understand why a player getting paid does not attend games..it should be mandatory unless you have a doctor’s excuse.
Hmm, do you remember why Kyrie is not playing?? :o

Not all injuries prevent you from attending a basketball game. Since he has attended other games I can not attribute his absence to his knee injury. So what exactly is your point again?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: blink on May 27, 2018, 11:36:41 PM
I feel like unless there was some big major reason, Kyrie, Hayward, Theis and Larkin should all be there. They can miss a day of rehab if needed to be with their team and be there for whatever happens. 

The thing you should ask, would KG not be at the game?  Then hold those guys to the same standard.  If they have some other major issue, understood.  If they just don't show up, that is disappointing.   Be with your team on the biggest game of the year.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: CelticsElite on May 27, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
I still do not understand why a player getting paid does not attend games..it should be mandatory unless you have a doctor’s excuse.
kevin love was there and he has a concussion a few hours ago

Kyrie had surgery weeks ago
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: green_bballers13 on May 27, 2018, 11:39:10 PM
I still do not understand why a player getting paid does not attend games..it should be mandatory unless you have a doctor’s excuse.
Hmm, do you remember why Kyrie is not playing?? :o

Not all injuries prevent you from attending a basketball game. Since he has attended other games I can not attribute his absence to his knee injury. So what exactly is your point again?

I'm not sure what his point is. My point is that I think the Celtics would have had a better chance to win if Kyrie was there...... wait a second, that's a crazy thought. The Celtics would have lost either way. Hmmm maybe Kyrie being absent had absolutely nothing to do with Terry Rozier and Marcus Smart's offensive performance.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: seancally on May 27, 2018, 11:40:28 PM
Don’t care. Get healthy. Follow your scripted itinerary. Come back and pay in this game next season.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: BringToughnessBack on May 27, 2018, 11:41:11 PM
Maybe he could have helped settle Rozier down-I dont get the absence in game 7 to go to finals
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Chris22 on May 27, 2018, 11:43:57 PM
Who cares?
Most of the Celtics didn't show up either.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: RJ87 on May 27, 2018, 11:46:35 PM
Depends on why he wasn't there. I'm not gonna judge him off of zero information

But that's no fun.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: BitterJim on May 27, 2018, 11:49:29 PM
Depends on why he wasn't there. I'm not gonna judge him off of zero information

But that's no fun.

Is jumping all over a guy when we don't know anything considered "fun"?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: perks-a-beast on May 27, 2018, 11:50:04 PM
Not good. He's always had a too cool for school attitude, but to not show up for a game 7 ECF game is weak. Even Pierce was court side and he hasn't been a Celtic in half a decade..
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: CelticsElite on May 27, 2018, 11:51:03 PM
Depends on why he wasn't there. I'm not gonna judge him off of zero information
Q
But that's no fun.

Is jumping all over a guy when we don't know anything considered "fun"?
he wasn't at a lot of games

Hayward is doing rehab and still made it to the game
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: CelticsElite on May 27, 2018, 11:51:34 PM
Not good. He's always had a too cool for school attitude, but to not show up for a game 7 ECF game is weak. Even Pierce was court side and he hasn't been a Celtic in half a decade..
it's a continued attitude that cavs fans know all too well
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Kaz on May 27, 2018, 11:57:06 PM
Who cares?
Most of the Celtics didn't show up either.
:(
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: celticinorlando on May 28, 2018, 12:02:55 AM
Don't care. As long as he is there in October
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Ogaju on May 28, 2018, 12:09:13 AM
I still do not understand why a player getting paid does not attend games..it should be mandatory unless you have a doctor’s excuse.
Hmm, do you remember why Kyrie is not playing?? :o

Not all injuries prevent you from attending a basketball game. Since he has attended other games I can not attribute his absence to his knee injury. So what exactly is your point again?

I'm not sure what his point is. My point is that I think the Celtics would have had a better chance to win if Kyrie was there...... wait a second, that's a crazy thought. The Celtics would have lost either way. Hmmm maybe Kyrie being absent had absolutely nothing to do with Terry Rozier and Marcus Smart's offensive performance.

Actually, you don’t know that. Kyrie’s presence or absence could have had a psychological effect on both teams.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Tr1boy on May 28, 2018, 12:18:23 AM
not good

Hayward was there

I understand the last thing Kyrie wanted to do was shake Lebums hand in defeat

but he still should have been to support his teammates

whatever, just win it all next year Kyrie
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Kuberski33 on May 28, 2018, 12:19:53 AM
Anyone want to trade him because of it?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Ogaju on May 28, 2018, 12:19:54 AM
not good

Hayward was there

I understand the last thing Kyrie wanted to do was shake Lebums hand in defeat

but he still should have been to support his teammates

whatever, just win it all next year Kyrie

Does that mean he knew Bron was going to win? WOW What a message to send a young team.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: gpap on May 28, 2018, 12:35:21 AM
Who cares?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: gouki88 on May 28, 2018, 12:42:48 AM
not good

Hayward was there

I understand the last thing Kyrie wanted to do was shake Lebums hand in defeat

but he still should have been to support his teammates

whatever, just win it all next year Kyrie

Does that mean he knew Bron was going to win? WOW What a message to send a young team.
Reading way too far into this
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: CelticsElite on May 28, 2018, 01:41:02 AM
Update- this verified guy says kyrie was in the locker room https://twitter.com/bansky/status/1000952795078451200

Wonder if the beef with lebron was that big where he didn't want the chance it to congratulate lebron
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 28, 2018, 02:15:42 AM
Anyone want to trade him because of it?

depends on why he missed - i have always questioned his head.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 28, 2018, 02:20:51 AM
not good

Hayward was there

I understand the last thing Kyrie wanted to do was shake Lebums hand in defeat

but he still should have been to support his teammates

whatever, just win it all next year Kyrie

If he didn't want to shake James hand - I applaud him. But all he had to do was walk straight off the floor into the tunnel if we did lose.

I care quite a bit that he was not there. I will feel a little better if he was in the locker room.

Irvings head and Stevens soft touch are the only things that can bring this team down - other than more bad luck with injuries.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: gouki88 on May 28, 2018, 02:22:37 AM
not good

Hayward was there

I understand the last thing Kyrie wanted to do was shake Lebums hand in defeat

but he still should have been to support his teammates

whatever, just win it all next year Kyrie

If he didn't want to shake James hand - I applaud him. But all he had to do was walk straight off the floor into the tunnel if we did lose.

I care quite a bit that he was not there. I will feel a little better if he was in the locker room.

Irvings head and Stevens soft touch are the only things that can bring this team down - other than more bad luck with injuries.
Ugh, that would be the worst
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: SparzWizard on May 28, 2018, 03:17:43 AM
Kyrie not being on the bench does not explain why/how the Celtics shot 7-39 from the 3.

Rozier quit. Smart choked. Larkin in street clothes. They have a point guard problem they need to fix.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: ozgod on May 28, 2018, 03:34:46 AM
I'm amazed how much we seem to doubt Kyrie's commitment to the team and are always looking for evidence to reassure us. Brad has said that Kyrie's played a big role in mentoring in the background during his injury. What more do we want from the guy?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: gouki88 on May 28, 2018, 03:35:23 AM
I'm amazed how much we seem to doubt Kyrie's commitment to the team and are always looking for evidence to reassure us. Brad has said that Kyrie's played a big role in mentoring in the background during his injury. What more do we want from the guy?
Some fans are never happy
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: ozgod on May 28, 2018, 03:38:44 AM
I'm amazed how much we seem to doubt Kyrie's commitment to the team and are always looking for evidence to reassure us. Brad has said that Kyrie's played a big role in mentoring in the background during his injury. What more do we want from the guy?
Some fans are never happy

It's like being in a relationship with someone you suspect of cheating on you...eventually it eats you up inside   :-\
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Stig on May 28, 2018, 03:56:07 AM
He will be asked about it, I hope he’s got a good answer to that.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: playdream on May 28, 2018, 03:56:57 AM
I don't feel a [dang] thing
I do feel something about the choke job
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: iadera on May 28, 2018, 04:42:51 AM
There is no excuse for this, but also not the first time in plaoffs this year that he missed or dissapeared during halftime.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Roy H. on May 28, 2018, 08:00:22 AM
I don’t care.

I just wish he’d been on the floor. Our guards as a collective unit were the worst I’ve seen.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Squigs on May 28, 2018, 09:22:58 AM
I'm old school, I guess..  I think they should be on the bench for games if physically able -- nevermind playoffs or more importantly, Game 7's!  Given how cerebral Kyrie is or even Hayward, you would think they would be able to see or possibly diagnose things from the bench during the games, in certain situations - like having another coach out there.  Hell, I never agreed with Garnett not being on the bench when he was injured (even though he was in the locker room), but as I said, I guess I'm old school. 
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on May 28, 2018, 10:12:02 AM
None of us know to reason. I think he should have been there. I know it was hard on him not to be playing. Just like Hayward. Hopefully he will start leading or we will be in trouble even with the talent we have coming back.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he has a nose surgery)
Post by: CelticsElite on May 28, 2018, 12:53:20 PM
Update: Injured Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving did not attend his team's Game 7 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers because he had undergone surgery for a deviated septum, coach Danny Ainge said Monday.

Irving had not played in the Celtics' run to the Eastern Conference finals after undergoing a pair of surgeries in March and April to remove screws from his left patella that had become infected. The team indicated at the time that he was expected to need four to five months to recover

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23631844/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-does-not-attend-game-7-due-deviated-septum-surgery
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he has a nose surgery)
Post by: Monkhouse on May 28, 2018, 12:54:32 PM
Baynes also broke his nose in game 6 so it seems like we have a nasal injury bug rotating around our team..

Maybe I think it's cause we are such nosy fans.  :angel:
Update: Injured Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving did not attend his team's Game 7 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers because he had undergone surgery for a deviated septum, coach Danny Ainge said Monday.

Irving had not played in the Celtics' run to the Eastern Conference finals after undergoing a pair of surgeries in March and April to remove screws from his left patella that had become infected. The team indicated at the time that he was expected to need four to five months to recover

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23631844/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-does-not-attend-game-7-due-deviated-septum-surgery
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: ozgod on May 28, 2018, 01:14:35 PM
Apparently he wanted to attend but couldn’t fly.

Quote
Injured Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving did not attend his team's Game 7 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers because he had undergone surgery for a deviated septum, president of basketball operations Danny Ainge said Monday.

"I don't think he wanted to be seen," Ainge said, before joking that "he's a really good-looking guy. He didn't want to ruin his movie career."

Irving's agent, Jeff Wechsler, told ESPN's Jackie MacMullan that the point guard wanted to attend the game but couldn't fly because of the surgery.

"It was a residual from the facial fracture he had earlier in the season," Wechsler said of the injury. "He had the knee surgery, and now he's taken care of this sinus surgery, so he will be all set going forward."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23631844/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-does-not-attend-game-7-due-deviated-septum-surgery


How long before someone says “well he should’ve waited till the end of the finals to do the surgery he’s clearly not a team player!”  ::)
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: colincb on May 28, 2018, 01:16:46 PM
Sounds like a face-saving move.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: libermaniac on May 28, 2018, 01:19:03 PM
Sounds like a face-saving move.
Good one. TP
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: SparzWizard on May 28, 2018, 01:21:20 PM
What's with Kyrie having all of these injuries? First his knee surgery and now his nose? What.

EDIT: Sorry overreaction. He had the mask earlier this season. Gotta get it taken care of earlier, mate. Won't hold him accountable though.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: CelticsElite on May 29, 2018, 12:22:09 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he has a nose surgery)
Post by: Boris Badenov on May 29, 2018, 12:28:12 PM
Baynes also broke his nose in game 6 so it seems like we have a nasal injury bug rotating around our team..


Who is the idiot handling nose conditioning on the training staff? Fire that guy!
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on May 29, 2018, 12:40:00 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 29, 2018, 10:21:46 PM
I'm amazed how much we seem to doubt Kyrie's commitment to the team and are always looking for evidence to reassure us. Brad has said that Kyrie's played a big role in mentoring in the background during his injury. What more do we want from the guy?
Some fans are never happy

Not true Kyrie apologists.

When has Stevens ever criticized a player ?
He should have been there period. Surgery can wait.
A Celtic does not let his teammates down like that.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: cman88 on May 29, 2018, 10:22:04 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

is this post a joke or serious?? You honestly think that the infection in his knee and the knee surgery was not real?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 29, 2018, 10:25:18 PM
I don’t care.

I just wish he’d been on the floor. Our guards as a collective unit were the worst I’ve seen.

Very surprised this would not bother you, Roy.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. How do you feel about it?
Post by: Ogaju on May 29, 2018, 10:45:54 PM
I'm amazed how much we seem to doubt Kyrie's commitment to the team and are always looking for evidence to reassure us. Brad has said that Kyrie's played a big role in mentoring in the background during his injury. What more do we want from the guy?
Some fans are never happy

Not true Kyrie apologists.

When has Stevens ever criticized a player ?
He should have been there period. Surgery can wait.
A Celtic does not let his teammates down like that.

This
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on May 29, 2018, 10:48:36 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

is this post a joke or serious?? You honestly think that the infection in his knee and the knee surgery was not real?

I think you know that I'm serious, but to substantiate my position, he loses the benefit of the doubt on (f) due to points (a) through (d).  They're simply facts.  On top of that, I recently went through all the same issues -- a bad break, hardware issues, a very serious infection that ate away at my wrist bone, etc -- and am leveraging my knowledge of those issues to better understand his situation.  It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins.  I do, so be it.  I'll respect your opinion and hope for the same.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Snakehead on May 29, 2018, 10:51:01 PM
It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins. 

I am amazed and thankful more people don't think like you tar.  That's one thing I know from being on this forum for years now.  That would be my a through f takeaways from my time here.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Ogaju on May 29, 2018, 10:51:50 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

And you are a tar heel that does not like a bluedevil
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: cman88 on May 29, 2018, 10:55:51 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

is this post a joke or serious?? You honestly think that the infection in his knee and the knee surgery was not real?

I think you know that I'm serious, but to substantiate my position, he loses the benefit of the doubt on (f) due to points (a) through (d).  They're simply facts.  On top of that, I recently went through all the same issues -- a bad break, hardware issues, a very serious infection that ate away at my wrist bone, etc -- and am leveraging my knowledge of those issues to better understand his situation.  It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins.  I do, so be it.  I'll respect your opinion and hope for the same.

I just think that to say his injury was fake is abit of a hot-take. A -D, okay I can see your points and respect your opinion. But he was clearly hobbled prior to his surgery due to the knee. 
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: CelticsElite on May 29, 2018, 10:59:42 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

is this post a joke or serious?? You honestly think that the infection in his knee and the knee surgery was not real?

I think you know that I'm serious, but to substantiate my position, he loses the benefit of the doubt on (f) due to points (a) through (d).  They're simply facts.  On top of that, I recently went through all the same issues -- a bad break, hardware issues, a very serious infection that ate away at my wrist bone, etc -- and am leveraging my knowledge of those issues to better understand his situation.  It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins.  I do, so be it.  I'll respect your opinion and hope for the same.

I just think that to say his injury was fake is abit of a hot-take. A -D, okay I can see your points and respect your opinion. But he was clearly hobbled prior to his surgery due to the knee.
also the nasal surgery is easy to explain why it had to be that day- usually surgeons are very busy and don't have an abundance of openings available
I think ainge said the plan was to get the surgery then join the team just in time for the nba finals
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: gouki88 on May 29, 2018, 11:00:48 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

is this post a joke or serious?? You honestly think that the infection in his knee and the knee surgery was not real?

I think you know that I'm serious, but to substantiate my position, he loses the benefit of the doubt on (f) due to points (a) through (d).  They're simply facts.  On top of that, I recently went through all the same issues -- a bad break, hardware issues, a very serious infection that ate away at my wrist bone, etc -- and am leveraging my knowledge of those issues to better understand his situation.  It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins.  I do, so be it.  I'll respect your opinion and hope for the same.
I was about to say this is a new level for you. But then I realised it wasn’t really new at all. Same tedious points ::)
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: TheReaLPuba on May 30, 2018, 01:35:10 PM
I find it hard to believe he would need this surgery on a holiday weekend.

He had been wearing the face mask months ago and didn't need this surgery then?

I guess it's a solid built in excuse for not attending an elimination game where your "big brother" was in all likely hood going to bring down the hammer.

But you didn't have to acknowledge him or interact with him at any point.

KG totally ignored Ray even when he came over to "dab" him.

Irving has always been one to beat to his own tune....it's actually not a surprising move on his part.

Disappointing.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Adelaide Celt on May 30, 2018, 03:52:22 PM
I find it hard to believe he would need this surgery on a holiday weekend.

He had been wearing the face mask months ago and didn't need this surgery then?

I guess it's a solid built in excuse for not attending an elimination game where your "big brother" was in all likely hood going to bring down the hammer.

But you didn't have to acknowledge him or interact with him at any point.

KG totally ignored Ray even when he came over to "dab" him.

Irving has always been one to beat to his own tune....it's actually not a surprising move on his part.

Disappointing.

Or march to the beat of his own drum even.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on May 30, 2018, 04:02:36 PM
Bigger conspiracy theorist: Kyrie Irving or Tarheels?

Toss up for me
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 30, 2018, 04:36:21 PM
Quote
On top of that, I recently went through all the same issues -- a bad break, hardware issues, a very serious infection that ate away at my wrist bone, etc -- and am leveraging my knowledge of those issues to better understand his situation.

I would wager that a pro athlete has better treatment and recovery times on average because they are assets in terms of their health to a team.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: celticsclay on May 30, 2018, 04:57:14 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

is this post a joke or serious?? You honestly think that the infection in his knee and the knee surgery was not real?

I think you know that I'm serious, but to substantiate my position, he loses the benefit of the doubt on (f) due to points (a) through (d).  They're simply facts.  On top of that, I recently went through all the same issues -- a bad break, hardware issues, a very serious infection that ate away at my wrist bone, etc -- and am leveraging my knowledge of those issues to better understand his situation.  It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins.  I do, so be it.  I'll respect your opinion and hope for the same.

Not like this Tars... not like this....
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Donoghus on May 30, 2018, 05:07:29 PM
Who cares.

As long as he performs at a high level when he's actually on the court (and, you know, can actually make a tangible impact on this team), I really don't care whether he is there or not. 

If you're not suiting up, it really doesn't matter to me where you're at.  Obviously, its nice to see those guys there on the bench but getting all bent out of shape because a guy who isn't playing, isn't attending a game he can't play in just seems ridiculous and reeks of being on a soapbox about someone's projection of contrived loyalty or maybe just upset that their binky got shipped out of town for this guy.

Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 30, 2018, 05:51:37 PM
Who cares.

As long as he performs at a high level when he's actually on the court (and, you know, can actually make a tangible impact on this team), I really don't care whether he is there or not. 

If you're not suiting up, it really doesn't matter to me where you're at.  Obviously, its nice to see those guys there on the bench but getting all bent out of shape because a guy who isn't playing, isn't attending a game he can't play in just seems ridiculous and reeks of being on a soapbox about someone's projection of contrived loyalty or maybe just upset that their binky got shipped out of town for this guy.

Contrived loyalty ?

Being at a home game your team is playing hardly seems a contrived act to me - I would demand that of myself and my teammates .............. and he said he wanted to go somewhere where he could lead a team by himself. Brother, that ain't leadin'.

Bottom line is his basic character is selfish. Ainge doesn't seem to care and Stevens is maybe too afraid to say anything. Maybe he did privately because this seems like the type of thing Stevens would not like to see on his team - he strikes me as old-school at heart.

I didn't trust Irving's head when we acquired him and he has done very little to reassure me and I hope very much to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Donoghus on May 30, 2018, 06:13:54 PM
Who cares.

As long as he performs at a high level when he's actually on the court (and, you know, can actually make a tangible impact on this team), I really don't care whether he is there or not. 

If you're not suiting up, it really doesn't matter to me where you're at.  Obviously, its nice to see those guys there on the bench but getting all bent out of shape because a guy who isn't playing, isn't attending a game he can't play in just seems ridiculous and reeks of being on a soapbox about someone's projection of contrived loyalty or maybe just upset that their binky got shipped out of town for this guy.

Contrived loyalty ?

Being at a home game your team is playing hardly seems a contrived act to me - I would demand that of myself and my teammates .............. and he said he wanted to go somewhere where he could lead a team by himself. Brother, that ain't leadin'.

Bottom line is his basic character is selfish. Ainge doesn't seem to care and Stevens is maybe too afraid to say anything. Maybe he did privately because this seems like the type of thing Stevens would not like to see on his team - he strikes me as old-school at heart.

I didn't trust Irving's head when we acquired him and he has done very little to reassure me and I hope very much to be proved wrong.

And as most people who have played a team sport can attest, once you step over the line onto the field/court/ice, anyone who isn't out there on the court/field/ice with you is pretty much irrelevant.   You think Tatum or Brown or whoever was thinking "Oh man, Kyrie isn't there on the bench in street clothes rooting on us on right now, whatever are we gonna do without our leader?" .  Of course not. I can guarantee that's not running through their head.  Playing the game & trying to win the game are.

Outside of offering some advice & a jumbotron appearance to boost the crowd up, whether or not he is there, really shouldn't matter.  Yes, it would be nice to have him there for symbolic purposes but if a guy isn't playing, it really shouldn't matter a lick.  It certainly shouldn't be something to get worked up about. I haven't seen anyone on the Celtics side coming out and complaining Sunday night's game.   I really haven't seen anyone from the organization complaining about the guy this season. 

People sure as heck aren't going to moan on this when they're out there at mid-court (or in some visitor locker room) accepting the Larry O'Brien trophy next June and he's right in the middle of it.


Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: KGs Knee on May 30, 2018, 06:17:10 PM
Who cares.

As long as he performs at a high level when he's actually on the court (and, you know, can actually make a tangible impact on this team), I really don't care whether he is there or not. 

If you're not suiting up, it really doesn't matter to me where you're at.  Obviously, its nice to see those guys there on the bench but getting all bent out of shape because a guy who isn't playing, isn't attending a game he can't play in just seems ridiculous and reeks of being on a soapbox about someone's projection of contrived loyalty or maybe just upset that their binky got shipped out of town for this guy.

Contrived loyalty ?

Being at a home game your team is playing hardly seems a contrived act to me - I would demand that of myself and my teammates .............. and he said he wanted to go somewhere where he could lead a team by himself. Brother, that ain't leadin'.

Bottom line is his basic character is selfish. Ainge doesn't seem to care and Stevens is maybe too afraid to say anything. Maybe he did privately because this seems like the type of thing Stevens would not like to see on his team - he strikes me as old-school at heart.

I didn't trust Irving's head when we acquired him and he has done very little to reassure me and I hope very much to be proved wrong.

And as most people who have played a team sport can attest, once you step over the line onto the field/court/ice, anyone who isn't out there on the court/field/ice with you is pretty much irrelevant.   You think Tatum or Brown or whoever was thinking "Oh man, Kyrie isn't there on the bench in street clothes rooting on us on right now, whatever are we gonna do without our leader?" .  Of course not. I can guarantee that's not running through their head.  Playing the game & trying to win the game are.

Outside of offering some advice & a jumbotron appearance to boost the crowd up, whether or not he is there, really shouldn't matter.  Yes, it would be nice to have him there for symbolic purposes but if a guy isn't playing, it really shouldn't matter a lick.  It certainly shouldn't be something to get worked up about. I haven't seen anyone on the Celtics side coming out and complaining Sunday night's game.   I really haven't seen anyone from the organization complaining about the guy this season. 

People sure as heck aren't going to moan on this when they're out there at mid-court (or in some visitor locker room) accepting the Larry O'Brien trophy next June and he's right in the middle of it.




This is pretty much exactly how I feel about it.

As long as he isn't out doing something to hurt himself, or someone else, I couldn't care less.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Eddie20 on May 30, 2018, 06:41:13 PM

Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

is this post a joke or serious?? You honestly think that the infection in his knee and the knee surgery was not real?

I think you know that I'm serious, but to substantiate my position, he loses the benefit of the doubt on (f) due to points (a) through (d).  They're simply facts.  On top of that, I recently went through all the same issues -- a bad break, hardware issues, a very serious infection that ate away at my wrist bone, etc -- and am leveraging my knowledge of those issues to better understand his situation.  It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins.  I do, so be it.  I'll respect your opinion and hope for the same.

Right, you a weekend warrior at best, with say decent doctors, is similar to an NBA superstar and the medical care he receives.

It must be so exhausting for you to dislike a player so much, yet to know he's not going anywhere. When he shoots are you hoping it goes in because it helps the team or do you want him to miss because you have an agenda against the guy?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 30, 2018, 08:20:30 PM
Who cares.

As long as he performs at a high level when he's actually on the court (and, you know, can actually make a tangible impact on this team), I really don't care whether he is there or not. 

If you're not suiting up, it really doesn't matter to me where you're at.  Obviously, its nice to see those guys there on the bench but getting all bent out of shape because a guy who isn't playing, isn't attending a game he can't play in just seems ridiculous and reeks of being on a soapbox about someone's projection of contrived loyalty or maybe just upset that their binky got shipped out of town for this guy.

Contrived loyalty ?

Being at a home game your team is playing hardly seems a contrived act to me - I would demand that of myself and my teammates .............. and he said he wanted to go somewhere where he could lead a team by himself. Brother, that ain't leadin'.

Bottom line is his basic character is selfish. Ainge doesn't seem to care and Stevens is maybe too afraid to say anything. Maybe he did privately because this seems like the type of thing Stevens would not like to see on his team - he strikes me as old-school at heart.

I didn't trust Irving's head when we acquired him and he has done very little to reassure me and I hope very much to be proved wrong.

And as most people who have played a team sport can attest, once you step over the line onto the field/court/ice, anyone who isn't out there on the court/field/ice with you is pretty much irrelevant.   You think Tatum or Brown or whoever was thinking "Oh man, Kyrie isn't there on the bench in street clothes rooting on us on right now, whatever are we gonna do without our leader?" .  Of course not. I can guarantee that's not running through their head.  Playing the game & trying to win the game are.

Outside of offering some advice & a jumbotron appearance to boost the crowd up, whether or not he is there, really shouldn't matter.  Yes, it would be nice to have him there for symbolic purposes but if a guy isn't playing, it really shouldn't matter a lick.  It certainly shouldn't be something to get worked up about. I haven't seen anyone on the Celtics side coming out and complaining Sunday night's game.   I really haven't seen anyone from the organization complaining about the guy this season. 

People sure as heck aren't going to moan on this when they're out there at mid-court (or in some visitor locker room) accepting the Larry O'Brien trophy next June and he's right in the middle of it.

I was a small-college Basketball All-American.

What you say about teammates being there or not being there is simply not true.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Donoghus on May 31, 2018, 08:23:47 AM
Who cares.

As long as he performs at a high level when he's actually on the court (and, you know, can actually make a tangible impact on this team), I really don't care whether he is there or not. 

If you're not suiting up, it really doesn't matter to me where you're at.  Obviously, its nice to see those guys there on the bench but getting all bent out of shape because a guy who isn't playing, isn't attending a game he can't play in just seems ridiculous and reeks of being on a soapbox about someone's projection of contrived loyalty or maybe just upset that their binky got shipped out of town for this guy.

Contrived loyalty ?

Being at a home game your team is playing hardly seems a contrived act to me - I would demand that of myself and my teammates .............. and he said he wanted to go somewhere where he could lead a team by himself. Brother, that ain't leadin'.

Bottom line is his basic character is selfish. Ainge doesn't seem to care and Stevens is maybe too afraid to say anything. Maybe he did privately because this seems like the type of thing Stevens would not like to see on his team - he strikes me as old-school at heart.

I didn't trust Irving's head when we acquired him and he has done very little to reassure me and I hope very much to be proved wrong.

And as most people who have played a team sport can attest, once you step over the line onto the field/court/ice, anyone who isn't out there on the court/field/ice with you is pretty much irrelevant.   You think Tatum or Brown or whoever was thinking "Oh man, Kyrie isn't there on the bench in street clothes rooting on us on right now, whatever are we gonna do without our leader?" .  Of course not. I can guarantee that's not running through their head.  Playing the game & trying to win the game are.

Outside of offering some advice & a jumbotron appearance to boost the crowd up, whether or not he is there, really shouldn't matter.  Yes, it would be nice to have him there for symbolic purposes but if a guy isn't playing, it really shouldn't matter a lick.  It certainly shouldn't be something to get worked up about. I haven't seen anyone on the Celtics side coming out and complaining Sunday night's game.   I really haven't seen anyone from the organization complaining about the guy this season. 

People sure as heck aren't going to moan on this when they're out there at mid-court (or in some visitor locker room) accepting the Larry O'Brien trophy next June and he's right in the middle of it.

I was a small-college Basketball All-American.

What you say about teammates being there or not being there is simply not true.

Good for you.  And I’ve played team sports my entire life as well as spent some time coaching & have certainly found it to be the case. Being there is nice in gesture but means very little else when you’re injured.

When we start hearing from his teammates and/or management that it was an actual issue he wasn’t there, maybe there’s something to it. Until then, it’s just angry projection from some fans. 
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: KungPoweChicken on May 31, 2018, 09:19:51 AM
This is professional sports. Why do people care where Kyrie was? If it were mandatory to be present on the bench, Kyrie would have been present. Otherwise, he likely would have been fined. Therefore, it's reasonable to conclude the team did not make his appearance mandatory. If the Celtics organization doesn't care THAT much, why do fans?
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Monkhouse on May 31, 2018, 09:41:30 AM
Kyrie Irving spotted in his hometown in Hoboken, NJ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8nhywc/kyrie_irving_hanging_out_at_a_park_in_hoboken/
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: ozgod on May 31, 2018, 02:37:55 PM
Kyrie Irving spotted in his hometown in Hoboken, NJ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8nhywc/kyrie_irving_hanging_out_at_a_park_in_hoboken/

HOW DARE HE!! Shouldn’t he be with his teammates commiserating and drowning their sorrows in drink?  ::)
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Beat LA on May 31, 2018, 06:32:06 PM
It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins.

I am amazed and thankful more people don't think like you tar.  That's one thing I know from being on this forum for years now.  That would be my a through f takeaways from my time here.

Aside from your last rather unintelligible last sentence, wow. Just wow. Tell me, are you always this civil in person? ::)


Keith Smith
 Talking to folks today, Boston had no problem with Kyrie Irving missing Game 7 due to his surgery for a deviated septum. Word is it was with a specific surgeon, who is hard to get in with. In addition, the plan was to get it done now and be back with the team had they advanced.

I think Boston/Ainge will never have an issue with Kyrie.  We traded for him knowing that he a) exerted no effort on defense throughout his career; b) demanded a trade from a perennial contender out of clinically significant narcissism/personality pathology; c) threatened to have surgery on his knee if his trade demand was not met; d) went several days without speaking to his teammates during the '17 Finals; e) has the character to trash his former city and coach in post-trade statements; f) needlessly placed himself at risk of missing the playoffs with his new team in year #1 (best impression) when it was apparent they couldn't beat GS, and then magically had an infection; g) missed the biggest opportunity of the season to support his young and overachieving teammates because his nighttime snoring was insufferable.

is this post a joke or serious?? You honestly think that the infection in his knee and the knee surgery was not real?

I think you know that I'm serious, but to substantiate my position, he loses the benefit of the doubt on (f) due to points (a) through (d).  They're simply facts.  On top of that, I recently went through all the same issues -- a bad break, hardware issues, a very serious infection that ate away at my wrist bone, etc -- and am leveraging my knowledge of those issues to better understand his situation.  It's amazing to me that people can see the situation otherwise, but I've come to the conclusion that fans simply don't care about a player's character if he contributes to wins.  I do, so be it.  I'll respect your opinion and hope for the same.

Right, you a weekend warrior at best, with say decent doctors, is similar to an NBA superstar and the medical care he receives.

It must be so exhausting for you to dislike a player so much, yet to know he's not going anywhere. When he shoots are you hoping it goes in because it helps the team or do you want him to miss because you have an agenda against the guy?

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Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on May 31, 2018, 07:08:13 PM
i picked my wife up after this surgery , and inwas shocked how awful she looked and felt.   He face was all bruised and swollen . They had her druged up good , she was asleep when they did the nose job.

She was miserable for 24 hours after.  not sirprized he did want his nose near that crowd.

move on nothing to see.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: MaxAMillion on May 31, 2018, 07:47:50 PM
This is a complete non starter. He showed up for some games and didn't make if for others. I doubt seriously that anyone cares outside of some posters on this site.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 01, 2018, 05:52:04 AM
i picked my wife up after this surgery , and inwas shocked how awful she looked and felt.   He face was all bruised and swollen . They had her druged up good , she was asleep when they did the nose job.

She was miserable for 24 hours after.  not sirprized he did want his nose near that crowd.

move on nothing to see.

Irving didn't look swollen or in any pain while he was out shooting pickup in this New Jersey video ........... Sure looked like he could have been at Game 7, no problem. Yes, this video is about a week out from surgery, but not a good look. He was self-centered in Cleveland and he is self-centered in Boston. All these Kyrie apologists sound like they are afraid he might get offended and stop liking Boston if we don't walk on eggshells around him. I will bet some of his teammates did not like him not showing up - but it's not like you are going to hear any public comments. Ainge and Stevens kiss his ass - like they are afraid he will get mad. If his ego is that fragile, I don't want him around.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: gouki88 on June 01, 2018, 06:26:11 AM
i picked my wife up after this surgery , and inwas shocked how awful she looked and felt.   He face was all bruised and swollen . They had her druged up good , she was asleep when they did the nose job.

She was miserable for 24 hours after.  not sirprized he did want his nose near that crowd.

move on nothing to see.

Irving didn't look swollen or in any pain while he was out shooting pickup in this New Jersey video ........... Sure looked like he could have been at Game 7, no problem. Yes, this video is about a week out from surgery, but not a good look. He was self-centered in Cleveland and he is self-centered in Boston. All these Kyrie apologists sound like they are afraid he might get offended and stop liking Boston if we don't walk on eggshells around him. I will bet some of his teammates did not like him not showing up - but it's not like you are going to hear any public comments. Ainge and Stevens kiss his ass - like they are afraid he will get mad. If his ego is that fragile, I don't want him around.
Way to make drama out of literally nothing. An irrational dislike of Kyrie seems to lead to some pretty nonsensical conclusions
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: rollie mass on June 06, 2018, 03:06:53 PM
Add the incredible level of noise and fear of infection as well as stress-WE just got gifted one of the most unique guards ever and his record speaks volumes All it takes one highlight reel to realize what you guys are criticizing and that Rozier is not even close but we will see the mentoring aspect of Kyrie spill over into everyone's game as Rozier challenges him daily.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: ozgod on June 06, 2018, 03:36:52 PM
Add the incredible level of noise and fear of infection as well as stress-WE just got gifted one of the most unique guards ever and his record speaks volumes All it takes one highlight reel to realize what you guys are criticizing and that Rozier is not even close but we will see the mentoring aspect of Kyrie spill over into everyone's game as Rozier challenges him daily.

If people already have a predisposition towards disliking Kyrie then nothing Kyrie does will change their mind unfortunately.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 17, 2018, 10:34:07 AM
A tidbit from the Simmons podcast: More evidence on how uninformed the “how dare he not show up for every game?!?!” indignation is:

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Kyrie Irving: [Sitting out the playoffs and watching Boston make a run] sucked, man. It sucked. I can’t even sugarcoat it, it was tough. Not from watching the guys, but of what I was dealing with outside of that. I was leaving the games at halftime because I had eight-hour shifts of antibiotics I had to take for my infection. I had a PICC (Peripherally Inserted Central Catheter) in my arm for two months and I’m just like, every day is like, I can’t lift, I can’t run, I can’t do anything. If I didn’t have my PICC line in for my infection, I would have definitely gone after trying to be ready for at least the Eastern Conference Finals. ” Bill Simmons: “Really?” Irving: “Yeah, for sure.”
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: gouki88 on June 17, 2018, 11:42:48 AM
A tidbit from the Simmons podcast: More evidence on how uninformed the “how dare he not show up for every game?!?!” indignation is:

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Kyrie Irving: [Sitting out the playoffs and watching Boston make a run] sucked, man. It sucked. I can’t even sugarcoat it, it was tough. Not from watching the guys, but of what I was dealing with outside of that. I was leaving the games at halftime because I had eight-hour shifts of antibiotics I had to take for my infection. I had a PICC (Peripherally Inserted Central Catheter) in my arm for two months and I’m just like, every day is like, I can’t lift, I can’t run, I can’t do anything. If I didn’t have my PICC line in for my infection, I would have definitely gone after trying to be ready for at least the Eastern Conference Finals. ” Bill Simmons: “Really?” Irving: “Yeah, for sure.”
Doesn't really come as a surprise at all. They've been misinformed from the beginning, lol
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 17, 2018, 12:02:55 PM
What a bunch of sissys

Still scard to ask the prettiest girl out

WE CAN have nice things .

People on this blog are too scard of rejection

Danny got us something nice people

Irving is a top guard in the NBa , most likely a HOF when he is done

I don't want a loyal guy who can't play

Be glade we have have Kyrie , enjoy what he can do as long as he will stay. 
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 17, 2018, 12:14:00 PM
I don’t want Kyrie going anywhere
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: jambr380 on June 17, 2018, 12:21:38 PM
I don't know that I'll ever get over the 'deviated rectum' typo. That is all I'm ever going to think about when I see Kyrie  :P

Would have really loved to see Kyrie or Hayward make a return in the ECF. That surely would have given us the boost we needed to make the finals. I guess neither was realistic.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: cman88 on June 17, 2018, 12:55:34 PM
Kind of funny that people were all in a tizzy about this but want to trade for a guy in Kawhi leonard who abandoned his team in whole.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Beat LA on June 17, 2018, 03:05:04 PM
A tidbit from the Simmons podcast: More evidence on how uninformed the “how dare he not show up for every game?!?!” indignation is:

Quote
Kyrie Irving: [Sitting out the playoffs and watching Boston make a run] sucked, man. It sucked. I can’t even sugarcoat it, it was tough. Not from watching the guys, but of what I was dealing with outside of that. I was leaving the games at halftime because I had eight-hour shifts of antibiotics I had to take for my infection. I had a PICC (Peripherally Inserted Central Catheter) in my arm for two months and I’m just like, every day is like, I can’t lift, I can’t run, I can’t do anything. If I didn’t have my PICC line in for my infection, I would have definitely gone after trying to be ready for at least the Eastern Conference Finals. ” Bill Simmons: “Really?” Irving: “Yeah, for sure.”

PICCs or it didn't happen, lol ;) ;D.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 17, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
A tidbit from the Simmons podcast: More evidence on how uninformed the “how dare he not show up for every game?!?!” indignation is:

Quote
Kyrie Irving: [Sitting out the playoffs and watching Boston make a run] sucked, man. It sucked. I can’t even sugarcoat it, it was tough. Not from watching the guys, but of what I was dealing with outside of that. I was leaving the games at halftime because I had eight-hour shifts of antibiotics I had to take for my infection. I had a PICC (Peripherally Inserted Central Catheter) in my arm for two months and I’m just like, every day is like, I can’t lift, I can’t run, I can’t do anything. If I didn’t have my PICC line in for my infection, I would have definitely gone after trying to be ready for at least the Eastern Conference Finals. ” Bill Simmons: “Really?” Irving: “Yeah, for sure.”

PICCs or it didn't happen, lol ;) ;D.

Lol. 

If he had a PICC line, then that's fair.  Had one recently and and had to be careful with it.  I'd assume he got that infection from the first surgery, though. 
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 18, 2018, 01:01:34 AM
A PIACC line ? What the hell ?

If he had an IV stuck in his arm, how was it that he's able to be shooting baskets on a Jersey playground a few days after Game 7 ? That makes zero sense for several reasons.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 18, 2018, 02:27:14 AM
A PIACC line ? What the hell ?

If he had an IV stuck in his arm, how was it that he's able to be shooting baskets on a Jersey playground a few days after Game 7 ? That makes zero sense for several reasons.

Great point again, tenn_.  I was unable to move my arm without considerable pain - shooting a ball was impossible, too.  I hope this comment elicits more conversation. 
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: gouki88 on June 18, 2018, 02:34:46 AM
A PIACC line ? What the hell ?

If he had an IV stuck in his arm, how was it that he's able to be shooting baskets on a Jersey playground a few days after Game 7 ? That makes zero sense for several reasons.

Great point again, tenn_.  I was unable to move my arm without considerable pain - shooting a ball was impossible, too.  I hope this comment elicits more conversation.
Maybe a professional athlete can undergo more physical duress than you
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: nickagneta on June 18, 2018, 02:40:21 AM
A PIACC line ? What the hell ?

If he had an IV stuck in his arm, how was it that he's able to be shooting baskets on a Jersey playground a few days after Game 7 ? That makes zero sense for several reasons.

Great point again, tenn_.  I was unable to move my arm without considerable pain - shooting a ball was impossible, too.  I hope this comment elicits more conversation.
Really? I have had long term IVs in me many days then had them taken out and had zero problem moving my arm. Absolutely zero after effect. Not even a bruise. I could have gone out and shot baskets right then and had no problem.

Having an IV in your arm does not make that arm incapacitated for days thereafter, after having the IV taken out. You guys are really reaching here.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 18, 2018, 03:12:53 AM
both previous posts just make my point all over again. If a professional athlete like Irving can deal with the pain with such high tolerance and/or can recover in record time, then once again, he should have been at Game 7.                                                                           
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: gouki88 on June 18, 2018, 03:55:12 AM
both previous posts just make my point all over again. If a professional athlete like Irving can deal with the pain with such high tolerance and/or can recover in record time, then once again, he should have been at Game 7.                                                                         
LOL. You must really hate Irving for that to be what you've taken away from the discussion
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: ozgod on June 18, 2018, 06:25:39 AM
If this is the reaction to Irving missing a playoff game because of surgery, imagine if it had been
 Kawhi in our team? The Kawhi who a) missed the whole year and didn't keep his teammates or his team up to date on his situation, forcing them to have a clear the air meeting that didn't clear the air; b) was not at a single Spurs playoff game (unless he was rehabbing every single game); and c) is now agitating to leave the Spurs. People would lose their minds  ;D

Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: moiso on June 18, 2018, 07:41:18 AM
If this is the reaction to Irving missing a playoff game because of surgery, imagine if it had been
 Kawhi in our team? The Kawhi who a) missed the whole year and didn't keep his teammates or his team up to date on his situation, forcing them to have a clear the air meeting that didn't clear the air; b) was not at a single Spurs playoff game (unless he was rehabbing every single game); and c) is now agitating to leave the Spurs. People would lose their minds  ;D
The Celtics didn’t do anything to cause behavior like this... the Spurs did to Kawhi.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: celticsclay on June 18, 2018, 10:32:01 AM
Septum or rectum
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: TheReaLPuba on June 18, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
Kind of funny that people were all in a tizzy about this but want to trade for a guy in Kawhi leonard who abandoned his team in whole.

He went for a second opinion and got shunned and betrayed by his teammates.

Of course he's going to have some hard feelings there.

Like Kyrie wouldn't have abandoned his (ex)team threatening to have surgery if he wasn't traded.

Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 18, 2018, 05:48:11 PM
It's almost like some are fishing for negative material to post.

Kyrie is awesome- I see no reason to start chipping away at him.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: TheReaLPuba on June 18, 2018, 06:19:46 PM
It's almost like some are fishing for negative material to post.

Kyrie is awesome- I see no reason to start chipping away at him.

If Rondo was injured and chose not to sit on the bench or have nasal surgery on a weekend during Game 7 of the ECF playoffs he would absolutely get RIPPED.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: iadera on June 19, 2018, 04:12:47 AM
...Kyrie Irving was over at Brad Steven’s house “the other day”, and Stevens said that his kids are excited for “Uncle Drew”.
Title: Re: Kyrie wasn't at the bench during game. (update: he had a nasal surgery)
Post by: Sketch5 on June 19, 2018, 07:42:08 AM
It's almost like some are fishing for negative material to post.

Kyrie is awesome- I see no reason to start chipping away at him.

If Rondo was injured and chose not to sit on the bench or have nasal surgery on a weekend during Game 7 of the ECF playoffs he would absolutely get RIPPED.

 DA said this was the best time for him to do it. The Doctor they got is one of the best and hard to get an opening, which happened to be that day, and he would be healed up enough so that if they made it to the finals Irving would be ready to travel with the team. 

I don't know why everyone is having a cow over this. Hayward missed a lot of games because he was rehabbing. What they couldn't get the "expert" to come to Boston for a few days?  ::)  DA wanted Irving to have the knee surgery and nasal surgery done now so he has time to heal and have plenty of time to get ready for next season. If it was their idea, people should be cool with this.

Rondo got crap because he left the team to go have fun on his birthday  and the team didn't want him to. BIG difference.