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Gordon's recovery
« on: November 11, 2018, 10:31:29 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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Is it Gordons injury, that is limiting his athleticism?.There seems to be no instability issue and if i remember correctly there was no significant ligament damage.
Is he just playing at a measured pace and not pushing it too early.?
Is he still experiencing pain or soreness?.I mean they have him in back to backs!
Why is he starting and not playing on 2nd team.?
I never followed Gordon and i get it is early days.

I had a serious cartilage operation back in the day and was never right -no stability in the joint, no ability to reverse pivot.Nobody has yet beat the length and thickness of the scar looks like 13 inch crescent.
So i have empathy for Gordon.You can see his BBIQ but he is nowhere near what i had hoped for.
I think he is bringing the first team down -there is no fire, it has got to effect his teammates.

Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2018, 10:40:14 AM »

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He got to get his body into NBA shape..seems like he falls down alot..going takectime but doubt he ever be the player he was before the injury..hope im wrong
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Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2018, 12:51:52 PM »

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My big concern with his recovery has always been that he has never been that athletic of a dude so it is not the same case as PG where you are waiting for that explosiveness to come back. I really hope I am wrong but he looks like he is in good shape but really struggling with body control and balance so he might just need time. 30 games from now and we are having this conversation. Sell Sell Sell.

Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2018, 01:38:14 PM »

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At 8 ppg even at this stage of his recovery... Im worried.

Looks slow and shooting at a miserable rate. Is he really just missing shots he used to make or has he really regressed.

Maybe this team just has too much options on offense that he prefers to defer but he must start to remember he is Gordon Hayward and is being paid max... I will give him until January but if by then he is still the same as now, id be very concerned.

Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2018, 03:08:39 PM »

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I never followed Hayward pre trade so not familiar with his game. With an injury like this it’s going to take a long time for him to have confidence in the ankle. So many of his shots seem to have just short I also wonder if the leg strength is there.

His game seems to be based on a lot of movement and cuts to the rim. We don’t seem to be a team of passers that rewards that.

Since we don’t have too many options with him we can only be patient and hope .

Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2018, 03:53:50 PM »

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I feel like a lot of people are choosing to ignore the fact that he had to have another surgery to have the plate removed, which was quite a significant setback for him.
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Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2018, 03:58:17 PM »

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Looks like a dude who basically missed an entire offseason rehabbing from a bad injury and the complications that arose from it. It’s gonna take him a few months at minimum to feel remotely right.

Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2018, 04:09:05 PM »

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Looks like a dude who basically missed an entire offseason rehabbing from a bad injury and the complications that arose from it. It’s gonna take him a few months at minimum to feel remotely right.

Yep.  Ironically, he should be back to form next season - right about the same time IT is.

Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2018, 05:04:45 PM »

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I never followed Hayward pre trade so not familiar with his game. With an injury like this it’s going to take a long time for him to have confidence in the ankle. So many of his shots seem to have just short I also wonder if the leg strength is there.

His game seems to be based on a lot of movement and cuts to the rim. We don’t seem to be a team of passers that rewards that.

Since we don’t have too many options with him we can only be patient and hope .

Gordon's not even close to 100% right now. All of these weird floaters and weak layups (where he's getting blocked or fading away after initiating contact) were dunks when he was with the Jazz. His vertical leap is about a foot below what it should be.

I honestly expect nothing from Hayward this year. All of my anecdotal evidence suggests that it takes two healthy years for an NBA athlete to recover their pre-injury explosiveness in the case of a serious leg/foot/ankle injury (see Rondo, Rose, PG13, etc.)

Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2018, 08:15:58 PM »

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I never followed Hayward pre trade so not familiar with his game. With an injury like this it’s going to take a long time for him to have confidence in the ankle. So many of his shots seem to have just short I also wonder if the leg strength is there.

His game seems to be based on a lot of movement and cuts to the rim. We don’t seem to be a team of passers that rewards that.

Since we don’t have too many options with him we can only be patient and hope .

Gordon's not even close to 100% right now. All of these weird floaters and weak layups (where he's getting blocked or fading away after initiating contact) were dunks when he was with the Jazz. His vertical leap is about a foot below what it should be.

I honestly expect nothing from Hayward this year. All of my anecdotal evidence suggests that it takes two healthy years for an NBA athlete to recover their pre-injury explosiveness in the case of a serious leg/foot/ankle injury (see Rondo, Rose, PG13, etc.)

I agree with you.  As horrific as the injury was to watch, it has been even more difficult to accept that it derailed Hayward's career and cost the Celtics a title shot. 




Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2018, 08:31:13 PM »

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I never followed Hayward pre trade so not familiar with his game. With an injury like this it’s going to take a long time for him to have confidence in the ankle. So many of his shots seem to have just short I also wonder if the leg strength is there.

His game seems to be based on a lot of movement and cuts to the rim. We don’t seem to be a team of passers that rewards that.

Since we don’t have too many options with him we can only be patient and hope .

Gordon's not even close to 100% right now. All of these weird floaters and weak layups (where he's getting blocked or fading away after initiating contact) were dunks when he was with the Jazz. His vertical leap is about a foot below what it should be.

I honestly expect nothing from Hayward this year. All of my anecdotal evidence suggests that it takes two healthy years for an NBA athlete to recover their pre-injury explosiveness in the case of a serious leg/foot/ankle injury (see Rondo, Rose, PG13, etc.)

I agree with you.  As horrific as the injury was to watch, it has been even more difficult to accept that it derailed Hayward's career and cost the Celtics a title shot.
Hahahaha. Just nonsensical at this stage man. No longer bait, just thrown the whole rod in.
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Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2018, 08:49:25 PM »

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The few anecdotes highlighted are indicative of what boat he has been marooned for the foreseeable future. Looking closely at Paul George's recovery will continue to show the parallel we'll likely see unfold for Gordon.  One would hope that hindsight could help the Celtics make a more suitable decision with his continued readjustment but so far those positive sentiments have fallen.  It becomes a case of 'pride comes before a fall' as the Celtics resist demoting Gordon, which is somewhat ironic.

Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2018, 11:47:37 PM »

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I posted this on the "Gordon Hayward needs to be sent to the G-League" thread, it's a comparison of PG13 and GH on their returns from their injuries.

Paul George suffered his injury Aug 2014 and missed all but 6 games of the 2014-15 season. He then had an offseason to continue to recover. Here were his stats on returning:


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Rk G Date Age Tm Opp GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc +/-

77 1 2015-04-05 24-338 IND MIA W (+23) 0 14:34 5 12 .417 3 6 .500 0 0 0 2 2 2 2 0 3 3 13 6.4 +12
78 2 2015-04-08 24-341 IND @ NYK W (+16) 0 15:31 2 7 .286 1 3 .333 5 6 .833 0 3 3 0 2 0 2 1 10 6.0 +5
79 3 2015-04-10 24-343 IND @ DET W (+4) 0 13:54 3 6 .500 2 3 .667 2 2 1.000 0 4 4 2 0 0 2 0 10 7.6 +1
80 4 2015-04-12 24-345 IND OKC W (+12) 0 14:09 3 9 .333 1 4 .250 1 2 .500 3 3 6 1 0 0 1 2 8 4.4 -3
81 5 2015-04-14 24-347 IND WAS W (+4) 0 17:46 4 10 .400 2 4 .500 0 1 .000 0 3 3 0 1 1 2 0 10 4.8 +1
82 6 2015-04-15 24-348 IND @ MEM L (-12) 0 15:01 1 5 .200 0 2 .000 0 0 1 3 4 1 0 0 2 5 2 -2.8 -1

George then had another offseason to work on his game and recover.

Here are Hayward's numbers in his 10 games on returning:

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Rk G Date Age Tm Opp GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc +/-
1 1 2018-10-16 28-207 BOS PHI W (+18) 1 24:37 4 12 .333 1 3 .333 1 2 .500 2 3 5 0 4 0 0 1 10 8.7 +10
2 2 2018-10-19 28-210 BOS @ TOR L (-12) 1 24:17 6 13 .462 1 3 .333 1 1 1.000 2 5 7 2 1 0 1 0 14 11.6 -11
3 2018-10-20 28-211 BOS @ NYK W (+2) Inactive
4 3 2018-10-22 28-213 BOS ORL L (-3) 1 24:56 4 8 .500 3 5 .600 0 0 0 4 4 3 1 0 2 3 11 8.1 -1
5 4 2018-10-25 28-216 BOS @ OKC W (+6) 1 23:41 1 5 .200 1 4 .250 2 4 .500 0 7 7 1 0 0 2 3 5 0.7 -13
6 5 2018-10-27 28-218 BOS @ DET W (+20) 1 23:41 6 11 .545 2 5 .400 1 3 .333 0 5 5 1 1 0 3 3 15 7.9 +18
7 6 2018-10-30 28-221 BOS DET W (+3) 1 25:53 3 10 .300 0 2 .000 0 0 1 3 4 3 0 0 1 0 6 2.9 -1
8 7 2018-11-01 28-223 BOS MIL W (+4) 1 26:38 6 11 .545 3 5 .600 3 3 1.000 2 2 4 5 0 1 1 1 18 17.5 +4
9 8 2018-11-03 28-225 BOS @ IND L (-1) 1 25:42 2 10 .200 0 5 .000 0 0 2 5 7 3 1 2 1 3 4 3.0 -9
10 9 2018-11-05 28-227 BOS @ DEN L (-8) 1 25:52 3 7 .429 0 2 .000 2 2 1.000 1 8 9 2 0 0 1 2 8 7.0 +4
11 10 2018-11-08 28-230 BOS @ PHO W (+7) 1 24:54 3 8 .375 2 5 .400 0 0 0 4 4 2 0 0 0 1 8 5.8 0
12 11 2018-11-09 28-231 BOS @ UTA L (-8) 1 25:40 3 9 .333 1 5 .200 6 6 1.000 0 1 1 7 1 0 1 3 13 11.9 -8


As you can see not too different. Keep in mind Hayward had a second surgery just before the end of last season. I think it's a little unfair to Hayward to expect him to be his All-Star form immediately upon returning. I wouldn't be surprised if it took him till December to look remotely like his old self again. Right now he's finding ways to contribute by facilitating and initiating plays and hitting the boards.

But if you want to be really harsh and realistic about it like many here, we obviously haven't gotten our return on investment on him. But he's not the only one - the team as a whole is shooting 42% from the floor and 41% of our shot attempts are from 3 - that's the kind of stat that is great when you're hitting them but bad when you're only hitting 35% of them.



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Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2018, 10:15:47 AM »

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I never followed Hayward pre trade so not familiar with his game. With an injury like this it’s going to take a long time for him to have confidence in the ankle. So many of his shots seem to have just short I also wonder if the leg strength is there.

His game seems to be based on a lot of movement and cuts to the rim. We don’t seem to be a team of passers that rewards that.

Since we don’t have too many options with him we can only be patient and hope .

Gordon's not even close to 100% right now. All of these weird floaters and weak layups (where he's getting blocked or fading away after initiating contact) were dunks when he was with the Jazz. His vertical leap is about a foot below what it should be.

I honestly expect nothing from Hayward this year. All of my anecdotal evidence suggests that it takes two healthy years for an NBA athlete to recover their pre-injury explosiveness in the case of a serious leg/foot/ankle injury (see Rondo, Rose, PG13, etc.)

I agree with you.  As horrific as the injury was to watch, it has been even more difficult to accept that it derailed Hayward's career and cost the Celtics a title shot.
Hahahaha. Just nonsensical at this stage man. No longer bait, just thrown the whole rod in.

Not sure what you feel is nonsensical about this statement...

The Celtics went to game 7 of the ECF without Hayward playing at all last season... I think it's pretty reasonable to project them in the Finals with him healthy and 100%.

Even the most optomistic posters are saying he shouldn't be expected to be 100% until next season (when he'll be 30 years old).  I'm not sure how losing two years of your prime to injuries ISN'T having your career derailed?...

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I encourage you to please reconsider before postiing inflammatory remarks and personal attacks on these boards.


Re: Gordon's recovery
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2018, 11:33:18 AM »

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You wonder if Gordon will be happy here if it turns out that Tatum is very clearly our second best scorer (and maybe player overall) by the time all this smoke clears. I think Hayward would be ok as a role player on this team but I think it will be tough.