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Celtics Rankings in ESPN & SI’s ‘Top 100’ revealed
« on: September 20, 2018, 06:27:57 PM »

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ESPN's Top 100:

82 - Rozier
55 - Marcus Smart
40 - Hayward
37 - Brown
34 - Horford
24 - Tatum
20- Irving

Sports Illustrated's Top 100:

82 - Terry Rozier
47 - Jaylen Brown
39 - Jayson Tatum
25 - Gordon Hayward
17 - Kyrie Irving
16 - Al Horford

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2018, 07:01:28 PM »

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Prett big differences for Hayward and Horford, and obviously Smart. Tatum at 24 is bold, I like it.

One has us with 5 in the top 40, the other has 3 in the top 25.

Either way, our guys are elite.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2018, 07:06:21 PM »

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The SI rankings don't seem too crazy, but the ESPN rankings are just outright silly.

Hayward way down at #40?   Seriously?

I guess they assume he's going to struggle coming back from injury?

But Horford also way down at #34?   I love Tatum, but the notion that he should already be ranked above Al Horford is nuts.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 07:14:33 PM »

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Brown at 37 and Tatum at 24 seem crazy high to me.  Based on the list, where do they rank in the top players 21 and under?

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2018, 08:03:41 PM »

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The only thing we can be sure of is that Terry Rozier is the consensus 82nd best player in the NBA.

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2018, 09:01:10 PM »

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CBS also did one, for what it's worth (not much):

84. Terry Rozier
73. Marcus Smart
42. Jaylen Brown
33. Jayson Tatum
24. Gordon Hayward
21. Al Horford
12. Kyrie Irving

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2018, 09:20:02 PM »

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CBS also did one, for what it's worth (not much):

84. Terry Rozier
73. Marcus Smart
42. Jaylen Brown
33. Jayson Tatum
24. Gordon Hayward
21. Al Horford
12. Kyrie Irving
33 for JT seems a bit high. I’m not sure that you can say 2017-2018 JT is better than Brown, based on anything besides efficiency.

Kyrie at 12 seems a little high. I’d probably have him at 15 or so
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2018, 10:58:17 PM »

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Billy Jackson's rankings revealed:

11 - Kyrie
18 - Al Horford
22 - Gordon Hayward
41 - Jayson Tatum
56 - Jaylen Brown
61 - Marcus Smart
80 - Terry Rozier

Other former celtic notables:
48 - IT (there is nobody else below him who could ever do what he's proven capable of doing in the right setting)
54 - Avery Bradley (maybe I overrate him, but I love what he does and think he's underrated)
Close but missed the cut - Rondo, Olynyk, Crowder

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2018, 11:18:43 PM »

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Did anybody expect Horford to be ranked over Irving by either? I love it.

I also like what they did, not overhyping Tatum and giving Gordon the benefit of the doubt, post injury. It's a balanced reading of talent, potential, experience and pudding.

Nicely done, SI.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2018, 11:44:40 PM »

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I haven't seen the rest of SI's list, but I like their Celtics picks better.

I get the Tatum hype and being cautious about injuries, but I don't think Tatum is on Hayward's level yet as a complete player and there's no guarantee that he ever will be - though admittedly I like his chances there.

Gordie takes a year off and everyone is sleeping on him; hoping he can prove everyone wrong this season.

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 12:19:06 AM »

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Billy Jackson's rankings revealed:

11 - Kyrie
18 - Al Horford
22 - Gordon Hayward
41 - Jayson Tatum
56 - Jaylen Brown
61 - Marcus Smart
80 - Terry Rozier

Other former celtic notables:
48 - IT (there is nobody else below him who could ever do what he's proven capable of doing in the right setting)
54 - Avery Bradley (maybe I overrate him, but I love what he does and think he's underrated)
Close but missed the cut - Rondo, Olynyk, Crowder
Amazed at IT's ranking. What he showed in '17-'18 was definitely not top 50 material, especially when compared to the likes of TRoz and Rondo, who he was considerably inferior to.

If he can return to form, sure, but I am very dubious about that. Especially on a guard-stacked Nuggets roster
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2018, 07:38:44 AM »

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Billy Jackson's rankings revealed:

11 - Kyrie
18 - Al Horford
22 - Gordon Hayward
41 - Jayson Tatum
56 - Jaylen Brown
61 - Marcus Smart
80 - Terry Rozier

Other former celtic notables:
48 - IT (there is nobody else below him who could ever do what he's proven capable of doing in the right setting)
54 - Avery Bradley (maybe I overrate him, but I love what he does and think he's underrated)
Close but missed the cut - Rondo, Olynyk, Crowder

I think this is pretty close, at least relative to each other, albeit maybe running high overall.  I think Brown is better than Avery Bradley at this point but that is splitting hairs.  Who knows what IT we will see.  He may not ever be the player he was so it is hard to rate him.  If I had to draft a team to play next season, IT would be pretty far down my list.

We have a really good team.  The problem (if there is one) would be balance.  Six of the top seven players are all "smalls" or "wings".  Just one Big in the top 7.  You could argue that Tatum is a swing but I don't think he is any more of a swing than say Durant.  This is less of a "problem" in today's NBA and no team is perfect but I feel it is still a team weakness.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2018, 07:50:28 AM »

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CBS also did one, for what it's worth (not much):

84. Terry Rozier
73. Marcus Smart
42. Jaylen Brown
33. Jayson Tatum
24. Gordon Hayward
21. Al Horford
12. Kyrie Irving
33 for JT seems a bit high. I’m not sure that you can say 2017-2018 JT is better than Brown, based on anything besides efficiency.

Kyrie at 12 seems a little high. I’d probably have him at 15 or so

This is a ranking for next season, though. They must be expecting Tatum to improve more than Jaylen (which isn't too ridiculous)
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2018, 08:04:19 AM »

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CBS also did one, for what it's worth (not much):

84. Terry Rozier
73. Marcus Smart
42. Jaylen Brown
33. Jayson Tatum
24. Gordon Hayward
21. Al Horford
12. Kyrie Irving
33 for JT seems a bit high. I’m not sure that you can say 2017-2018 JT is better than Brown, based on anything besides efficiency.

Kyrie at 12 seems a little high. I’d probably have him at 15 or so

This is a ranking for next season, though. They must be expecting Tatum to improve more than Jaylen (which isn't too ridiculous)

We as Celtics fans know that Brown is better than most people think and that Tatum, while really good, is probably a little over-hyped.  It is not surprising that the national impression is that Tatum is better than Brown (or will be better next season).  I think they both are going to be really good.

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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2018, 08:17:39 AM »

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CBS also did one, for what it's worth (not much):

84. Terry Rozier
73. Marcus Smart
42. Jaylen Brown
33. Jayson Tatum
24. Gordon Hayward
21. Al Horford
12. Kyrie Irving
33 for JT seems a bit high. I’m not sure that you can say 2017-2018 JT is better than Brown, based on anything besides efficiency.

Kyrie at 12 seems a little high. I’d probably have him at 15 or so

This is a ranking for next season, though. They must be expecting Tatum to improve more than Jaylen (which isn't too ridiculous)

We as Celtics fans know that Brown is better than most people think and that Tatum, while really good, is probably a little over-hyped.  It is not surprising that the national impression is that Tatum is better than Brown (or will be better next season).  I think they both are going to be really good.

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