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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: celticinorlando on May 16, 2018, 09:34:23 AM
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Few things:
1. Having three days off really makes game 3 like another game 1. I hope Boston approaches it like they are starting a new series on the road.
2. How much more does James have to give. 42 points and triple dub? And they still lose by 13 points? James looks flat out worn out. I expect Game 3 will be his big push..but does it matter is the other guys don't contribute?
3. Cavs got good production out of Love 22/15 and about average out of Thompson. I do not see either making drastic jumps in production
4. Korver got about what he is going to get off the bench. Only 2 guys that can improve scoring are Hill and Smith. Keep those guys under wraps..esp Smith...he is the Cavs thermometer. When he plays well they win.
5. Boston still has not gotten a great game out of Tatum. Sooner or later he will have a 20 plus point game.
I think Boston's best chance to steal a game is game 3. Going to have to play good defense and attack Cleveland. It is going to be chippy. I am afraid we see the Foster crew Saturday.
But the Cavs are putrid on defense. Boston continues to own the match ups and gets anywhere they want.
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Lue's comments about the Celtics 'gooning it up' were very wise on his part. This will keep the C's aggressive D top of mind for Game 3, so I'm expecting a Scott Foster appearance or at the very least the Celtics getting zero breaks from the officials.
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We need to keep up the defensive pressure, but that'll be very difficult in Cleveland. Hopefully the Cavs don't get really hot from 3, at this point I think that's the only thing that can save them
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Lue's comments about the Celtics 'gooning it up' were very wise on his part. This will keep the C's aggressive D top of mind for Game 3, so I'm expecting a Scott Foster appearance or at the very least the Celtics getting zero breaks from the officials.
I did not understand this quote. His team has been the goons...look at JR Smith and Thompson. Is playing tough, physical ball gooning it up now?
Tells me his team is soft in every shape.
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We need to keep up the defensive pressure, but that'll be very difficult in Cleveland. Hopefully the Cavs don't get really hot from 3, at this point I think that's the only thing that can save them
See I think game 3 is ripe for the picking. Cleveland is not a great home team. Against the Pacers, against the Raps (took a last second shot for the Cavs to beat them) they seem to lose games there in the playoffs.
I still believe Philly is better than the Cavs and have a better home court. The fact Lue called the Cs out for being a poor road team will be used as motivation. That screams that the Cavs do not respect the Celtics
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Treat game 3 as game 7!
because if we win game 3 the cavs will fold like a cheap tent.
whenever teams are down 0-2 going back home the best effort from fans and team is game 3 not 4. win game 3 and the fans will quit on them. now yes game 3 may not be a close out game like a game 4 could be but we cannot let up. stomp on their necks and keep them down. put them in dire straits so they quit in game 4 along with their fans.
keep doing what has worked.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK THE RIM!
if lebron gets his again so be it. I said it here for ages leading up to this matchup. limit the rest and it won't matter. lebron trying to do it all will wear him out. it also keeps the rest of his team in disarray and out of sync and staying cold.
Play smart and keep attacking. there were times last night where the cavs just stood around on D giving us wide open looks. we have to hit those if they clog the lanes. they do not have the defenders to keep up with us driving to the hoop and getting fouls. get into the bonus early in 4th quarter and finish them at the line.
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I would be shocked if Scott Foster and Tony Brothers don't make an appearance in either game 3 or 4.
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JR smith should in all honestly be suspended and that flagrant 1 upgraded to a 2..that was a very dangerous push he did there.. If Horford jumped higher he could potentially hit the rim and cause injury.
I expect a breakouy offensively from Tatum. He has been somewhat in check but I think he is due for a 25 point game and if that happens its over.
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I would be shocked if Scott Foster and Tony Brothers don't make an appearance in either game 3 or 4.
They are the last bastion of hope for LeWhine to win.. Pathetic refs as they are we must still play aggressive and play tough D regardless of the whistles. Hopefully out shooying gets better to offset the incoming onslaught of calls.
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Similar plan as Game 2. Weather their runs, contain their perimeter threats, and out hustle them on both ends of the floor. On the offensive end for us, keep driving to the hoop and/or get open looks for our guys.
We did that in Game 2 and won! Even when Lebron went off and Korver was lighting it up in the first half, we adjusted and just out played and out hustled them in the 2nd half.
BEAT THEM IN TRANSITION!
Seriously, we're faster than them, more athletic and more explosive. It's showed the first two games. The Cavaliers (Lebron included) seem to tire by the 2nd half, and that's when we take full advantage and (hopefully) pull away.
The biggest difference here is, Lebron is actually being forced to work on BOTH ends of the floor. As a result, he gets tired by the 35th minute and beyond and isn't as explosive in the 2nd half (settling for a ton of jump shots and fadeaways instead of driving to the hoop every single time).
Will be tough on the road (road games never easy), but I'm feeling oddly confident. This Cavaliers team looks vulnerable and their defense is putrid. As long as our offense isn't ice cold, I like our chances, even if Lebron goes for 40 again.
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Agree that Smith should be suspended game 3. I also expect Korver to get the start over him anyway.
Cavs are giving up trying to defend Boston. They will look to just outscore them.
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Similar plan as Game 2. Weather their runs, contain their perimeter threats, and out hustle them on both ends of the floor. On the offensive end for us, keep driving to the hoop and/or get open looks for our guys.
We did that in Game 2 and won! Even when Lebron went off and Korver was lighting it up in the first half, we adjusted and just out played and out hustled them in the 2nd half.
BEAT THEM IN TRANSITION!
Seriously, we're faster than them, more athletic and more explosive. It's showed the first two games. The Cavaliers (Lebron included) seem to tire by the 2nd half, and that's when we take full advantage and (hopefully) pull away.
The biggest difference here is, Lebron is actually being forced to work on BOTH ends of the floor. As a result, he gets tired by the 35th minute and beyond and isn't as explosive in the 2nd half (settling for a ton of jump shots and fadeaways instead of driving to the hoop every single time).
Will be tough on the road (road games never easy), but I'm feeling oddly confident. This Cavaliers team looks vulnerable and their defense is putrid. As long as our offense isn't ice cold, I like our chances, even if Lebron goes for 40 again.
yup. they look very vulnerable. lebron looks human now. pound him offensively and defensively. they cannot stop us at the rim. we need to impose our will on them over and over. stick to what works. no more stupid spells. play smart ball 48 miniutes.
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i would think the Cavs will come out with even more fight in game 3, more aggressive
but I would think Brad would give them the same talk
"weather their storm, play as a team, do the right thing, always onto the next play"
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i would think the Cavs will come out with even more fight in game 3, more aggressive
but I would think Brad would give them the same talk
"weather their storm, play as a team, do the right thing, always onto the next play"
cavs more fight? i agree but SO SHOULD WE! treat this as a game 7. this game really is the key to the series now. win this and they will wilt like a flower. rip their hearts out
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Lue's comments about the Celtics 'gooning it up' were very wise on his part. This will keep the C's aggressive D top of mind for Game 3, so I'm expecting a Scott Foster appearance or at the very least the Celtics getting zero breaks from the officials.
I did not understand this quote. His team has been the goons...look at JR Smith and Thompson. Is playing tough, physical ball gooning it up now?
Tells me his team is soft in every shape.
Playoff Coaching 101 - publicly complain about the officials when the opponent's defense is messing up your team's offense. Pat Riley used to do it all the time. I'd like to see Brad do more of this.
Coach talks about it - media picks up on it - the league notices - and it becomes part of the story - especially going home. The tactic is usually very effective.
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Lue's comments about the Celtics 'gooning it up' were very wise on his part. This will keep the C's aggressive D top of mind for Game 3, so I'm expecting a Scott Foster appearance or at the very least the Celtics getting zero breaks from the officials.
I did not understand this quote. His team has been the goons...look at JR Smith and Thompson. Is playing tough, physical ball gooning it up now?
Tells me his team is soft in every shape.
Playoff Coaching 101 - publicly complain about the officials when the opponent's defense is messing up your team's offense. Pat Riley used to do it all the time. I'd like to see Brad do more of this.
Coach talks about it - media picks up on it - the league notices - and it becomes part of the story - especially going home. The tactic is usually very effective.
brad needs to say THUG SMITH needs to be thrown out of game 3. beat that drum the next 3 days. also complain about the cavs thugging it up. return the favor. we can play these games also
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Wow. The oddsmakers are making the Cavs a 6.5 point favorite!!!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Are the Celtics related to Rodney Dangerfield?:-))))
Smitty77
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Wow. The oddsmakers are making the Cavs a 6.5 point favorite!!!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Are the Celtics related to Rodney Dangerfield?:-))))
Smitty77
Good. Let the disrespect keep coming.
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Wow. The oddsmakers are making the Cavs a 6.5 point favorite!!!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Are the Celtics related to Rodney Dangerfield?:-))))
Smitty77
Looks like a good time to start gambling.
In seriousness, I thought Lue took his shot in Game 2 by inserting Tristan Thompson. On a Simmons/Lowe podcast, Lowe said he would wait until Game 3 to make that change and run the same lineup back, hoping to not shoot such a terribly percentage from 3. Then, in Game 3, if that didn't work you can start Thompson - when he'll be playing at home and might be extra motivated to make a difference.
They took that shot and we bested it. I think, though, it will still be key to fight TT and Love on the defensive glass. Limit those and that would give us a big advantage.
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It would definitely be nice to just put the hammer down in game 3.
The Cavs gave up pretty early in game 2, after the flagrant and Al's 6-0 run they checked out with in my opinion with three and a half minutes left in the game down 12.
I can see them doing the same much earlier if they're down.
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1. Keep playing defense like a dog
2. Play in transition as much as possible; don't settle for half court basketball
3. ?????
4. WIN
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I think Brad will think going back to the Baynes starting unit, but we'll see. Morris or Tatum to the bench.
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It is amazing how little Cleveland is managing to get out of George Hill, Jr Smith, Rodney Hood and especially Jordan Clarkson. Those 4 should be combining for 40-50 points a night (only 22pg combined for first 2 games).
Cleveland's offense is just so bad though. So individualistic. Iso based. Too LeBron-centric. Too many isos for Kevin Love. Not enough ball or player movement. Other guys are not involved. I fully believe if those 4 players above where playing for Boston under Stevens and alongside Al Horford, they'd be doing so much more than they are under Ty Lue and next to LeBron James.
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Wow. The oddsmakers are making the Cavs a 6.5 point favorite!!!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Are the Celtics related to Rodney Dangerfield?:-))))
Smitty77
Good. Let the disrespect keep coming.
(https://i.imgur.com/r0UTgZ9.jpg)
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I think Brad will think going back to the Baynes starting unit, but we'll see. Morris or Tatum to the bench.
The problem is that Tatum has started every game of his career and Brad won’t want to mess with his psyche now. Morris is doing what he was brought here to do.
So with that said, I expect the same starting lineup even if it means a quick sub of Baynes in.
The Cavs other starting four produced just 6 points in that first quarter. I do not expect that many more 21-point quarters from LeBron. Stay at home on everyone else and limit their offensive rebounds.
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I think Brad will think going back to the Baynes starting unit, but we'll see. Morris or Tatum to the bench.
The problem is that Tatum has started every game of his career and Brad won’t want to mess with his psyche now. Morris is doing what he was brought here to do.
So with that said, I expect the same starting lineup even if it means a quick sub of Baynes in.
The Cavs other starting four produced just 6 points in that first quarter. I do not expect that many more 21-point quarters from LeBron. Stay at home on everyone else and limit their offensive rebounds.
Valid point, just the same, Stevens himself brought up that the big Cavs unit gave them trouble so he had to make a quick sub for Baynes. Which is the idea you present. So the question then becomes, if he already knows it's an issue... do you wait for it to become a problem again or you address it from the get go?
Brown was guarding LeBron through much of the first quarter as it was. And he did so well (though LeBron was Supernova), but I wouldn't want to risk Brown getting on foul trouble early.
So it's presenting us with some issues. We're bringing Morris for LeBron yet don't use him on him because of the opposing unit change... so why start him at all? But if you go big, you can indeed put him on LeBron, but that means having to make a decision between him and Tatum.
We'll see I guess.
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Whoever gets Thompson on him can go to the rim at will. TT cannot guard the driver. He has been worked over by Morris, Brown and Tatum
I do think Korver starts for JR...which would make JR meaningless off the bench.
But with Korver and TT in the line up together...the Cavs have real trouble defending Boston. LBJ does not want to defend Brown or Tatum. Hill cannot stop Rozier and Love struggled last night with the wings quickness and the bigs strength.
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Agree that Smith should be suspended game 3. I also expect Korver to get the start over him anyway.
Cavs are giving up trying to defend Boston. They will look to just outscore them.
Some of the worst defense has been Lebron. He is so spent on offense, his cover of Brown has been awful.
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Wow. The oddsmakers are making the Cavs a 6.5 point favorite!!!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Are the Celtics related to Rodney Dangerfield?:-))))
Smitty77
It's not really all that strange, the Celts haven't played all that well on the road this playoffs. It would not be a shock if their role players like Rozier, Morris, and Smart were less effective than they have been at home. It also would not be a surprise if the Cavs role players played better. I think the Celts are the better team and should win the series, but I don't expect a sweep.
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I would be shocked if Scott Foster and Tony Brothers don't make an appearance in either game 3 or 4.
I'm expecting a screwing. Hopefully they get hot enough from 3 to give them a chance to play through it.
I hate to be that guy, but it's not going to be easy to watch.
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We are close to Lebron tapping out territory. If Cs start off hot and have double digit lead going into half or early 3rd, Lebron will tap out.
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Refs will be on bron side sadly
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Few things:
1. Having three days off really makes game 3 like another game 1. I hope Boston approaches it like they are starting a new series on the road.
2. How much more does James have to give. 42 points and triple dub? And they still lose by 13 points? James looks flat out worn out. I expect Game 3 will be his big push..but does it matter is the other guys don't contribute?
3. Cavs got good production out of Love 22/15 and about average out of Thompson. I do not see either making drastic jumps in production
4. Korver got about what he is going to get off the bench. Only 2 guys that can improve scoring are Hill and Smith. Keep those guys under wraps..esp Smith...he is the Cavs thermometer. When he plays well they win.
5. Boston still has not gotten a great game out of Tatum. Sooner or later he will have a 20 plus point game.
I think Boston's best chance to steal a game is game 3. Going to have to play good defense and attack Cleveland. It is going to be chippy. I am afraid we see the Foster crew Saturday.
But the Cavs are putrid on defense. Boston continues to own the match ups and gets anywhere they want.
1) Role players are better at home, and I expect Cleveland's motley crew of Smith/Hill/Green/Clarkson/Nance/Hood to play a lot better, at least in the first half.
2) Lebron will probably have a bit more extra with the crowd behind him.
3) We know that Rozier is not a solid on the road, and the Cs have certainly been better at home than on the road.
4) Having said that, the Cavs defense is really awful, and the Cs defense is pretty good, and that will not change.
I am going to go with a [close] Cavs win in Game 3 and a [closer] Cs win in Game 4.
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Wow. The oddsmakers are making the Cavs a 6.5 point favorite!!!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Are the Celtics related to Rodney Dangerfield?:-))))
Smitty77
What were the lines on games 1 and 2? I imagine the celts were underdogs as well. I would guess we have not been favored since game 7 against Mil.
It's not really all that strange, the Celts haven't played all that well on the road this playoffs. It would not be a shock if their role players like Rozier, Morris, and Smart were less effective than they have been at home. It also would not be a surprise if the Cavs role players played better. I think the Celts are the better team and should win the series, but I don't expect a sweep.
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Wow. The oddsmakers are making the Cavs a 6.5 point favorite!!!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Are the Celtics related to Rodney Dangerfield?:-))))
Smitty77
I know I always go for all my gambling needs to veganinsider! I just think that is hilarious.
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Wow. The oddsmakers are making the Cavs a 6.5 point favorite!!!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Are the Celtics related to Rodney Dangerfield?:-))))
Smitty77
I know I always go for all my gambling needs to veganinsider! I just think that is hilarious.
Lol, TP ;D.
As for Game 3, I move that we should start Baynes, put Morris back on the bench, and role with that rotation for the rest of the postseason, however long it should last.
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Whoever gets Thompson on him can go to the rim at will. TT cannot guard the driver. He has been worked over by Morris, Brown and Tatum
I do think Korver starts for JR...which would make JR meaningless off the bench.
But with Korver and TT in the line up together...the Cavs have real trouble defending Boston. LBJ does not want to defend Brown or Tatum. Hill cannot stop Rozier and Love struggled last night with the wings quickness and the bigs strength.
yeah ugly mug face korver has been abused. TT has issues defending drivers.