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Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2010, 09:56:39 PM »

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Officialsick of people saying Doc should play the young guys

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Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2010, 10:07:36 PM »

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Haha buelj thanks... I don't understand why people are calling for Doc  to play the youngs guys...

Doc is with them every single day at practice so I think he knows how good they are and if they should play or not and it is up to them to force him to make them play by doing good enough in practice and the limited minutes they get and obivously they haven't otherwise they would be playing.
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Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2010, 10:34:59 PM »

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Haha buelj thanks... I don't understand why people are calling for Doc  to play the youngs guys...

Doc is with them every single day at practice so I think he knows how good they are and if they should play or not and it is up to them to force him to make them play by doing good enough in practice and the limited minutes they get and obivously they haven't otherwise they would be playing.

In Doc We Trust.

Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2010, 10:50:23 PM »

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Haha buelj thanks... I don't understand why people are calling for Doc  to play the youngs guys...

Doc is with them every single day at practice so I think he knows how good they are and if they should play or not and it is up to them to force him to make them play by doing good enough in practice and the limited minutes they get and obivously they haven't otherwise they would be playing.

In Doc We Trust.

now youve come along j/k.. seriously though thats what makes celtics fans so great.. passion

Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2010, 10:55:01 PM »

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I'm not sick of him refusing to play the young guys, but I am sick of his rotations.  I feel as if it's a close game that out of Rondo, Pierce, KG and Allen.  Two should be on the floor at ALL times.  Also if KG is off the floor Perk should be in the game.  I don't want to see line ups of 4 guys from the bench and a starter.  It makes no sense.
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Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2010, 11:07:20 PM »

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Haha buelj thanks... I don't understand why people are calling for Doc  to play the youngs guys...

Doc is with them every single day at practice so I think he knows how good they are and if they should play or not and it is up to them to force him to make them play by doing good enough in practice and the limited minutes they get and obivously they haven't otherwise they would be playing.

In Doc We Trust.

now youve come along j/k.. seriously though thats what makes celtics fans so great.. passion

yeah...I love this team.  I love pro basketball, too.  I actually enjoy seeing young players develop, and there are different approaches to doing it.  My opinion is in this thread.  If a young guy is a shooter, I'd put him in with the starters at the end of the 1st quarter and run a couple of plays to get him an open 3 look, then sit him down...and keep doing it.  That's all.  Instead, this silly team takes a slasher/defender with a shaky handle and names him backup PG at times (talking about TA).

I don't love Doc, and don't trust him coaching the team any more than I trust Eddie to get the ball over halfcourt.

Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2010, 11:36:35 PM »

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I have been holding this in for some time because I felt that maybe Doc was doing the right thing by not playing the young guys since they might not be that good.  But after these last few games and our consistent inconsistency of energy and effort I have had enough.  TA comes into the game yesterday like 4 gallons of Monster energy drink and next thing you know were running up and down the court passing the ball, playing great defense, scoring points.  It was probably even the best we've played all season.  Given Rondo was a huge part of that second quarter, TA's energy and effort was the perfect complement to Rondo's play. TA was up and down the court with Rondo when things sped up it was phenomenal.  Then 2nd half comes around and Doc REFUSES to play the young guys.  If we're gonna lose games the way we are then its time the kids get a chance.  The vets are simply not bringing it for 48 minutes a game and if thats going to be the case then forget the vets and let the kids prove themselves.  We wont win the championship this year behind the wiley ol' veterans we'll win it because of our young guns carrying those vets over the hump. 


Exhale...thats my rant
TA has had plenty of minutes over his career. He didn't when we won it all because Posey was getting the backup wing minutes. He didn't last year because he played poorly most of the year and was a bit gimpy. TA started this season injured and got minutes when he was healthy.

TA is not the guy you should be mentioning in a thread like this. Makes no sense.

And how is TA young?

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« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2010, 11:40:48 PM »

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I have been holding this in for some time because I felt that maybe Doc was doing the right thing by not playing the young guys since they might not be that good.  But after these last few games and our consistent inconsistency of energy and effort I have had enough.  TA comes into the game yesterday like 4 gallons of Monster energy drink and next thing you know were running up and down the court passing the ball, playing great defense, scoring points.  It was probably even the best we've played all season.  Given Rondo was a huge part of that second quarter, TA's energy and effort was the perfect complement to Rondo's play. TA was up and down the court with Rondo when things sped up it was phenomenal.  Then 2nd half comes around and Doc REFUSES to play the young guys.  If we're gonna lose games the way we are then its time the kids get a chance.  The vets are simply not bringing it for 48 minutes a game and if thats going to be the case then forget the vets and let the kids prove themselves.  We wont win the championship this year behind the wiley ol' veterans we'll win it because of our young guns carrying those vets over the hump. 


Exhale...thats my rant
TA has had plenty of minutes over his career. He didn't when we won it all because Posey was getting the backup wing minutes. He didn't last year because he played poorly most of the year and was a bit gimpy. TA started this season injured and got minutes when he was healthy.

TA is not the guy you should be mentioning in a thread like this. Makes no sense.

And how is TA young?

He isn't young, unless it's in the same sense that Grant Hill isn't "old" because he has fewer miles on the odometer than the year would suggest.

Compared to Ray and Paul, though, he's young...

Just trying to understand it myself.

Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2010, 11:47:55 PM »

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I have to agree with the sentiment of the OP, which I read as "we don't have enouch energy on the floor with only the older vets playing, and a shot of youthful vigor would improve the team's overall play."

I also think Doc pretty much blows at rotations, and always has.  Better coaches that we've had in Boston would put a younger, inexperienced player on the floor with the starters, rather than the second unit.  The vets help the young guy along.  It's hard to play well when the other guys on the floor are being outplayed, too.  Doc tends to play lines like he's coaching hockey or something...  The displaced starter moves to the bench, becoming...wait for it...the 6th man.  The coach who came up with this brilliant idea was Red.  He "got" it.

Do we have young players that are capable of pulling this off is certainly debatable (probably not), but as a strategy, it is a very, very good way to compensate for aging veterans, develop young players, and keep vets around by bringing them off the bench.

Despite the many who disagreed with the OP (and were probably correct), it's a good question.  A spot-up 3pt shooter who can scrap for loose balls and at least play man-up defense should be serviceable for at least some minutes with our starters.  Let KG help by calling out the rotations for the guy, he's supposed to be good at that.

If we don't have any useful young players, blame Danny, not Doc.  But if the players don't get better, blame Doc.  He's supposed to be teaching them.  They're only supposed to be role players, anyway.  Let's not expect these kids to be superstars as late-round picks.


finally someone who understood the my original post...theres hope for humanity after all

Probably not...someone, somewhere is typing out a post about what an idiot I am for wanting Bill Walker to start, even though I wrote no such thing.

I appreciate your post, though.  Aside from not understanding matchups (and putting Eddie House on Jason Terry, and, I think, Crawford?), I am critical of Doc for how he uses young players (or doesn't).  There isn't much to really learn in garbage time.

To give credit where it is due, I think Phil Jackson has done a good job at developing young role players by giving them meaningful minutes along with established players early in the season and in games, and it has paid off in the playoffs.  Of course, Red would point out that Phil took his idea...  But Doc keeps the starters playing together, into the 4th quarter, even when we're coasting with a 20 point lead (I remember a few games like that...).

I don't understand all the Doc love.  I really don't.

who the hell has jackson developed?? he hates bynum and has called him out several times about being soft and not tough enough.. bynum has developed because he has talent something our young guys lack plain and simple
Good reality check. Perk is the poster boy for a player who was developed wisely. Bynum will develop just because he will develop. I consider Rondo similar. They have enough NBA level talent that they will develop. Perk, on the other hand, has been consistently given roles that fit his level of development.

Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2010, 11:58:14 PM »

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I have been holding this in for some time because I felt that maybe Doc was doing the right thing by not playing the young guys since they might not be that good.  But after these last few games and our consistent inconsistency of energy and effort I have had enough.  TA comes into the game yesterday like 4 gallons of Monster energy drink and next thing you know were running up and down the court passing the ball, playing great defense, scoring points.  It was probably even the best we've played all season.  Given Rondo was a huge part of that second quarter, TA's energy and effort was the perfect complement to Rondo's play. TA was up and down the court with Rondo when things sped up it was phenomenal.  Then 2nd half comes around and Doc REFUSES to play the young guys.  If we're gonna lose games the way we are then its time the kids get a chance.  The vets are simply not bringing it for 48 minutes a game and if thats going to be the case then forget the vets and let the kids prove themselves.  We wont win the championship this year behind the wiley ol' veterans we'll win it because of our young guns carrying those vets over the hump. 


Exhale...thats my rant
TA has had plenty of minutes over his career. He didn't when we won it all because Posey was getting the backup wing minutes. He didn't last year because he played poorly most of the year and was a bit gimpy. TA started this season injured and got minutes when he was healthy.

TA is not the guy you should be mentioning in a thread like this. Makes no sense.

And how is TA young?

He isn't young, unless it's in the same sense that Grant Hill isn't "old" because he has fewer miles on the odometer than the year would suggest.

Compared to Ray and Paul, though, he's young...

Just trying to understand it myself.
Personally, I'm not a fan of that argument. I might give the benefit of the doubt to someone who missed a season due to an injured arm, but not someone who gets midseason surgery on their joints in their leg.

I suppose they might conserve cartilage when immobilized, but is there any empirical evidence that this line of reasoning makes any sense? Anecdotal examples don't mean much. Do injured players play longer?

Is Andre Miller old for his age because he never misses games with injuries?

In the end, to the chagrin of many, TA has repeatedly been given more than ample opportunity. We have had countless posts of fans complaining about him getting too many minutes and stinking up the joint. I like him when he is healthy, but have no faith in him if his ups and quickness are at all compromised. We know what TA can do and we know that he needs to be completely healthy to play decently.

Re: Officially sick of Doc refusing to play the young guys
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2010, 12:18:54 AM »

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DOC is an idiot the end. I hate him as our coach no joke.

He consistently keeps playing vets who shouldn't be playing at certain points of the game. Eddie house s/b in the dog house for sukking so much lately. He is digustingly bad yet he gets 12 minutes tonight? He is a specialist 3 pt shooter the end and shouldn't be playing every game even

Ray Allen should have a reduced role by now. Same with Paul Pierce. (30 mins each and not much more per game)

Its incredible that it took Paul Pierce to get injured before realizing that with Tony Allen inserted tonight and playing the 4th made all the diffrence in world between us winning and losing.

He doesn't mix and match the lineup at all. Doesn't leave the hot hand out in clutch situtions when necessary and plays vets when they are stone cold for the game. I don't get this guys coaching capabilities