Oscars -- Thoughts About Racial Inequality

[Roy H.]

... being white, male, and able to speak English will get you pretty far in this world.

You forgot “being raised outside of poverty”, which is way more important than anything you listed.

That and having a family(2 parents) and not having a kid before you  reach some level of financial stability.

And yet because of the population percentages there are more whites who live in poverty greenballers13.

10% of white children (4.2 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 7% in Texas to 12% in Michigan.
27% of Latino children (4 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 19% in Florida to 35% in Pennsylvania.
33% of black children (3.6 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 29% in California and Florida to 47% in Ohio.
12% of Asian children (400,000) and 40% of American Indian (200,000) Comparable state comparisons are not possible due to small sample sizes.

“Poverty affects children of all colors, contrary to stereotypes. The notion held by many Americans that poverty is not a white problem is simply false,” says Jane Knitzer, EdD, director of NCCP, a research center at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “The sooner all Americans realize these facts about poverty, the better chance we have of eradicating it.

http://www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html

So a lesser percentage but a larger amount.  I do think there is "white privelege" it exists but most folks like complain about it and use it as an excuse.   There are people from all ethnicities that rise above poverty and don't let this stop them.

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

Only if you paint with a broad brush.

But, when you pair race with other factors — primarily economic — that analysis changes.

People with economic means are advantaged over those who don’t, regardless of skin color.

Sure economic factors weigh in heavily when looking at persons from different economic backgrounds, but would you rather be a rich white or a rich black or a poor white or a poor black.  At the same economic levels when comparing whites to blacks, American society tells us it is far better to be white.

I don’t know, honestly. I’m confident that if everything else was equal in my life, but I was black, I’d probably have a better education and a better job. There’s no way to speak to other factors though.

[green_bballers13]

... being white, male, and able to speak English will get you pretty far in this world.

You forgot “being raised outside of poverty”, which is way more important than anything you listed.

That and having a family(2 parents) and not having a kid before you  reach some level of financial stability.

And yet because of the population percentages there are more whites who live in poverty greenballers13.

10% of white children (4.2 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 7% in Texas to 12% in Michigan.
27% of Latino children (4 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 19% in Florida to 35% in Pennsylvania.
33% of black children (3.6 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 29% in California and Florida to 47% in Ohio.
12% of Asian children (400,000) and 40% of American Indian (200,000) Comparable state comparisons are not possible due to small sample sizes.

“Poverty affects children of all colors, contrary to stereotypes. The notion held by many Americans that poverty is not a white problem is simply false,” says Jane Knitzer, EdD, director of NCCP, a research center at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “The sooner all Americans realize these facts about poverty, the better chance we have of eradicating it.

http://www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html

So a lesser percentage but a larger amount.  I do think there is "white privelege" it exists but most folks like complain about it and use it as an excuse.   There are people from all ethnicities that rise above poverty and don't let this stop them.

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

Only if you paint with a broad brush.

But, when you pair race with other factors — primarily economic — that analysis changes.

People with economic means are advantaged over those who don’t, regardless of skin color.

Sure economic factors weigh in heavily when looking at persons from different economic backgrounds, but would you rather be a rich white or a rich black or a poor white or a poor black.  At the same economic levels when comparing whites to blacks, American society tells us it is far better to be white.

I don’t know, honestly. I’m confident that if everything else was equal in my life, but I was black, I’d probably have a better education and a better job. There’s no way to speak to other factors though.

Big assumption. This is the whole idea of school busing, which was an initiative in Boston that received a lot of criticism. Similar initiatives are regarded by many to be merely socialist income redistribution schemes. If we assume that everyone has two parents, 3 healthy meals, and a nice community, then yes there should be no difference in achievement. Big assumption.

[Roy H.]

... being white, male, and able to speak English will get you pretty far in this world.

You forgot “being raised outside of poverty”, which is way more important than anything you listed.

That and having a family(2 parents) and not having a kid before you  reach some level of financial stability.

And yet because of the population percentages there are more whites who live in poverty greenballers13.

10% of white children (4.2 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 7% in Texas to 12% in Michigan.
27% of Latino children (4 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 19% in Florida to 35% in Pennsylvania.
33% of black children (3.6 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 29% in California and Florida to 47% in Ohio.
12% of Asian children (400,000) and 40% of American Indian (200,000) Comparable state comparisons are not possible due to small sample sizes.

“Poverty affects children of all colors, contrary to stereotypes. The notion held by many Americans that poverty is not a white problem is simply false,” says Jane Knitzer, EdD, director of NCCP, a research center at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “The sooner all Americans realize these facts about poverty, the better chance we have of eradicating it.

http://www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html

So a lesser percentage but a larger amount.  I do think there is "white privelege" it exists but most folks like complain about it and use it as an excuse.   There are people from all ethnicities that rise above poverty and don't let this stop them.

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

Only if you paint with a broad brush.

But, when you pair race with other factors — primarily economic — that analysis changes.

People with economic means are advantaged over those who don’t, regardless of skin color.

Sure economic factors weigh in heavily when looking at persons from different economic backgrounds, but would you rather be a rich white or a rich black or a poor white or a poor black.  At the same economic levels when comparing whites to blacks, American society tells us it is far better to be white.

I don’t know, honestly. I’m confident that if everything else was equal in my life, but I was black, I’d probably have a better education and a better job. There’s no way to speak to other factors though.

Big assumption. This is the whole idea of school busing, which was an initiative in Boston that received a lot of criticism. Similar initiatives are regarded by many to be merely socialist income redistribution schemes. If we assume that everyone has two parents, 3 healthy meals, and a nice community, then yes there should be no difference in achievement. Big assumption.

Well, that’s the assumption Moranis posed.  By controlling for income levels, I’d be a black kid firmly in the middle class, living in suburbia going to good high schools, with an intelligence level in the top 5% nationwide.  I’m confident that, instead of Colby / BC Law, I’d be admitted (at worst) at my “slight reach” schools, Dartmouth / Duke Law, and probably better.

[Moranis]

... being white, male, and able to speak English will get you pretty far in this world.

You forgot “being raised outside of poverty”, which is way more important than anything you listed.

That and having a family(2 parents) and not having a kid before you  reach some level of financial stability.

And yet because of the population percentages there are more whites who live in poverty greenballers13.

10% of white children (4.2 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 7% in Texas to 12% in Michigan.
27% of Latino children (4 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 19% in Florida to 35% in Pennsylvania.
33% of black children (3.6 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 29% in California and Florida to 47% in Ohio.
12% of Asian children (400,000) and 40% of American Indian (200,000) Comparable state comparisons are not possible due to small sample sizes.

“Poverty affects children of all colors, contrary to stereotypes. The notion held by many Americans that poverty is not a white problem is simply false,” says Jane Knitzer, EdD, director of NCCP, a research center at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “The sooner all Americans realize these facts about poverty, the better chance we have of eradicating it.

http://www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html

So a lesser percentage but a larger amount.  I do think there is "white privelege" it exists but most folks like complain about it and use it as an excuse.   There are people from all ethnicities that rise above poverty and don't let this stop them.

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

Only if you paint with a broad brush.

But, when you pair race with other factors — primarily economic — that analysis changes.

People with economic means are advantaged over those who don’t, regardless of skin color.

Sure economic factors weigh in heavily when looking at persons from different economic backgrounds, but would you rather be a rich white or a rich black or a poor white or a poor black.  At the same economic levels when comparing whites to blacks, American society tells us it is far better to be white.

I don’t know, honestly. I’m confident that if everything else was equal in my life, but I was black, I’d probably have a better education and a better job. There’s no way to speak to other factors though.

You might have better education and a better job, or you more likely would not.  You would also get pulled over for driving while black, have people always wondering if you earned what you have, would deal with overt and covert racism constantly.  This idea that America isn't racist seems very strange to me.  The country as a whole is still very racist, and this is coming from someone who is white grew up in a mostly white middle class neighborhood with both parents, who both have college degrees and both had well paying jobs.  Those parents provided whatever emotional, financial, spiritual, etc. support that I needed.   And I can tell you, if I was black with the same parental structure, it would have been much harder for me because I can see some of that because I'm Jewish.  America is a country filled with hate, prejudice, and discrimination.  We like to think it is not, but it absolutely is.  I mean how many people can't even get legally married because they are gay.  It is absolutely ridiculous yet it happens all over the country. 

[green_bballers13]

... being white, male, and able to speak English will get you pretty far in this world.

You forgot “being raised outside of poverty”, which is way more important than anything you listed.

That and having a family(2 parents) and not having a kid before you  reach some level of financial stability.

And yet because of the population percentages there are more whites who live in poverty greenballers13.

10% of white children (4.2 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 7% in Texas to 12% in Michigan.
27% of Latino children (4 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 19% in Florida to 35% in Pennsylvania.
33% of black children (3.6 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 29% in California and Florida to 47% in Ohio.
12% of Asian children (400,000) and 40% of American Indian (200,000) Comparable state comparisons are not possible due to small sample sizes.

“Poverty affects children of all colors, contrary to stereotypes. The notion held by many Americans that poverty is not a white problem is simply false,” says Jane Knitzer, EdD, director of NCCP, a research center at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “The sooner all Americans realize these facts about poverty, the better chance we have of eradicating it.

http://www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html

So a lesser percentage but a larger amount.  I do think there is "white privelege" it exists but most folks like complain about it and use it as an excuse.   There are people from all ethnicities that rise above poverty and don't let this stop them.

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

Only if you paint with a broad brush.

But, when you pair race with other factors — primarily economic — that analysis changes.

People with economic means are advantaged over those who don’t, regardless of skin color.

Sure economic factors weigh in heavily when looking at persons from different economic backgrounds, but would you rather be a rich white or a rich black or a poor white or a poor black.  At the same economic levels when comparing whites to blacks, American society tells us it is far better to be white.

I don’t know, honestly. I’m confident that if everything else was equal in my life, but I was black, I’d probably have a better education and a better job. There’s no way to speak to other factors though.

Big assumption. This is the whole idea of school busing, which was an initiative in Boston that received a lot of criticism. Similar initiatives are regarded by many to be merely socialist income redistribution schemes. If we assume that everyone has two parents, 3 healthy meals, and a nice community, then yes there should be no difference in achievement. Big assumption.

Well, that’s the assumption Moranis posed.  By controlling for income levels, I’d be a black kid firmly in the middle class, living in suburbia going to good high schools, with an intelligence level in the top 5% nationwide.  I’m confident that, instead of Colby / BC Law, I’d be admitted (at worst) at my “slight reach” schools, Dartmouth / Duke Law, and probably better.

I'm sure that you're aware, but this is not a very likely outcome for a young black kid living in the U.S. I went to a suburban, middle class school in MA. We had one black family. Drive a couple towns over to a poorer community, and the % of black people rises exponentially. There are reasons for this, including economic levels and historic real estate steering. That high school, btw, sends much less kids (on a % basis) to college, let alone to the top programs that you're discussing.

Side note: Is there a big difference between BC and Duke Law, esp in the northeast?

[smokeablount]

... being white, male, and able to speak English will get you pretty far in this world.

You forgot “being raised outside of poverty”, which is way more important than anything you listed.

That and having a family(2 parents) and not having a kid before you  reach some level of financial stability.

And yet because of the population percentages there are more whites who live in poverty greenballers13.

10% of white children (4.2 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 7% in Texas to 12% in Michigan.
27% of Latino children (4 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 19% in Florida to 35% in Pennsylvania.
33% of black children (3.6 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 29% in California and Florida to 47% in Ohio.
12% of Asian children (400,000) and 40% of American Indian (200,000) Comparable state comparisons are not possible due to small sample sizes.

“Poverty affects children of all colors, contrary to stereotypes. The notion held by many Americans that poverty is not a white problem is simply false,” says Jane Knitzer, EdD, director of NCCP, a research center at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “The sooner all Americans realize these facts about poverty, the better chance we have of eradicating it.

http://www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html

So a lesser percentage but a larger amount.  I do think there is "white privelege" it exists but most folks like complain about it and use it as an excuse.   There are people from all ethnicities that rise above poverty and don't let this stop them.

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

Only if you paint with a broad brush.

But, when you pair race with other factors — primarily economic — that analysis changes.

People with economic means are advantaged over those who don’t, regardless of skin color.

Sure economic factors weigh in heavily when looking at persons from different economic backgrounds, but would you rather be a rich white or a rich black or a poor white or a poor black.  At the same economic levels when comparing whites to blacks, American society tells us it is far better to be white.

I don’t know, honestly. I’m confident that if everything else was equal in my life, but I was black, I’d probably have a better education and a better job. There’s no way to speak to other factors though.

Big assumption. This is the whole idea of school busing, which was an initiative in Boston that received a lot of criticism. Similar initiatives are regarded by many to be merely socialist income redistribution schemes. If we assume that everyone has two parents, 3 healthy meals, and a nice community, then yes there should be no difference in achievement. Big assumption.

Well, that’s the assumption Moranis posed.  By controlling for income levels, I’d be a black kid firmly in the middle class, living in suburbia going to good high schools, with an intelligence level in the top 5% nationwide.  I’m confident that, instead of Colby / BC Law, I’d be admitted (at worst) at my “slight reach” schools, Dartmouth / Duke Law, and probably better.

But if you went to Duke for your law degree, you’d probably have loved Kyrie all along!

[fairweatherfan]

people on the left want

people on the right want

leftists calling all Trump voters racist

leftists completely ignore

the SJW "movement"

POC commit more crimes

Leftists start screaming and whining

this notion from white people

Lastly, and this is my opinion, I believe everyone needs to treat others as individuals.  Stop lumping everyone together. 

Respectfully, the last statement seems very inconsistent with the rest.

[Celtics4ever]

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

You may not have read all my post by I mentioned white privilege in it.

Definitely, easier to be white overall, not as much subtle discrimination but where they are few Afro-Americans the poor whites get just as much beef.   Where do you think the term trailer trash comes from.   I 've worked in social work and white poor get a lot of it, too sometimes.   They have to live in low income housing with bed bugs.   They have to use the same humiliating methods of support such as directional cards and government assistance.  I have served both in rural areas and in the inner city.

The main difference I saw was that Afro-Americans have it a lot more dangerous and violence.  The poor facing poverty face the same challenges, decent place to live, food on the table and limited social upward mobility.   But the inner city there was a lot more violence and this is with the gang warfare, shootings and worrying about the police who treat them as more dangerous.   Usually whites don't have to be overly careful about the police.   Now I support the police for the most part but I do realize that some bad actors are on the force and abuse their power unfairly and in abusive fashion.

I still think folks focus more on blaming others than worrying about fixing their situation. We all know it's a problem but how do we fix it.   Quotas are a mixed bag, I don't believe in reparations because my great great grandfather fought in the Union Army and I don't believe I owe anything because I have never held anyone back.   What should we do?

[green_bballers13]

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

You may not have read all my post by I mentioned white privilege in it.

Definitely, easier to be white overall, not as much subtle discrimination but where they are few Afro-Americans the poor whites get just as much beef.   Where do you think the term trailer trash comes from.   I 've worked in social work and white poor get a lot of it, too sometimes.   They have to live in low income housing with bed bugs.   They have to use the same humiliating methods of support such as directional cards and government assistance.  I have served both in rural areas and in the inner city.

The main difference I saw was that Afro-Americans have it a lot more dangerous and violence.  The poor facing poverty face the same challenges, decent place to live, food on the table and limited social upward mobility.   But the inner city there was a lot more violence and this is with the gang warfare, shootings and worrying about the police who treat them as more dangerous.   Usually whites don't have to be overly careful about the police.   Now I support the police for the most part but I do realize that some bad actors are on the force and abuse their power unfairly and in abusive fashion.

I still think folks focus more on blaming others than worrying about fixing their situation. We all know it's a problem but how do we fix it.   Quotas are a mixed bag, I don't believe in reparations because my great great grandfather fought in the Union Army and I don't believe I owe anything because I have never held anyone back.   What should we do?

IMO: Education, tutoring, counseling, and mentorship. Basically, people getting involved and motivating young poor (black or white) kids while telling them that they're important.

The challenge is that this often requires money. Some politicians think that it is more important to build walls and expensive warcrafts than it is to help kids that need help.

[Roy H.]

I mean how many people can't even get legally married because they are gay. 

Are we talking bigamists, etc.?

Because otherwise the answer is zero in the United States.

[Roy H.]

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

You may not have read all my post by I mentioned white privilege in it.

Definitely, easier to be white overall, not as much subtle discrimination but where they are few Afro-Americans the poor whites get just as much beef.   Where do you think the term trailer trash comes from.   I 've worked in social work and white poor get a lot of it, too sometimes.   They have to live in low income housing with bed bugs.   They have to use the same humiliating methods of support such as directional cards and government assistance.  I have served both in rural areas and in the inner city.

The main difference I saw was that Afro-Americans have it a lot more dangerous and violence.  The poor facing poverty face the same challenges, decent place to live, food on the table and limited social upward mobility.   But the inner city there was a lot more violence and this is with the gang warfare, shootings and worrying about the police who treat them as more dangerous.   Usually whites don't have to be overly careful about the police.   Now I support the police for the most part but I do realize that some bad actors are on the force and abuse their power unfairly and in abusive fashion.

I still think folks focus more on blaming others than worrying about fixing their situation. We all know it's a problem but how do we fix it.   Quotas are a mixed bag, I don't believe in reparations because my great great grandfather fought in the Union Army and I don't believe I owe anything because I have never held anyone back.   What should we do?

IMO: Education, tutoring, counseling, and mentorship. Basically, people getting involved and motivating young poor (black or white) kids while telling them that they're important.

The challenge is that this often requires money. Some politicians think that it is more important to build walls and expensive warcrafts than it is to help kids that need help.

How many people who profess to care about disadvantaged populations join Big Brothers / Big Sisters? Volunteer to coach, lead a Scout troop, etc.?  Volunteer to tutor? Take in a foster child?

The things you talked about aren’t really a bigger government / more spending problem. They’re more indicative of a society that is big on lip service, but not really big on getting its hands dirty. Certainly some folks do, but most of the potential tutors and mentors would rather be playing fantasy football.

[green_bballers13]

I mean how many people can't even get legally married because they are gay. 

Are we talking bigamists, etc.?

Because otherwise the answer is zero in the United States.

Yes, in 2015 a 5-4 Supreme Court decision. The case before the country's highest court focused on same-sex marriage bans in Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. "They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right," the majority wrote.

Still shocks me that this is a controversial thing. It really shows how different the coastal cities are from the rest of the country.

[Roy H.]

I mean how many people can't even get legally married because they are gay. 

Are we talking bigamists, etc.?

Because otherwise the answer is zero in the United States.

Yes, in 2015 a 5-4 Supreme Court decision. The case before the country's highest court focused on same-sex marriage bans in Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. "They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right," the majority wrote.

Still shocks me that this is a controversial thing. It really shows how different the coastal cities are from the rest of the country.

It seems like ancient history now, but both Obama and McCain disavowed gay marriage.

[green_bballers13]

sure but based on society and the majority it is still easier if you are white than if you are black.

You may not have read all my post by I mentioned white privilege in it.

Definitely, easier to be white overall, not as much subtle discrimination but where they are few Afro-Americans the poor whites get just as much beef.   Where do you think the term trailer trash comes from.   I 've worked in social work and white poor get a lot of it, too sometimes.   They have to live in low income housing with bed bugs.   They have to use the same humiliating methods of support such as directional cards and government assistance.  I have served both in rural areas and in the inner city.

The main difference I saw was that Afro-Americans have it a lot more dangerous and violence.  The poor facing poverty face the same challenges, decent place to live, food on the table and limited social upward mobility.   But the inner city there was a lot more violence and this is with the gang warfare, shootings and worrying about the police who treat them as more dangerous.   Usually whites don't have to be overly careful about the police.   Now I support the police for the most part but I do realize that some bad actors are on the force and abuse their power unfairly and in abusive fashion.

I still think folks focus more on blaming others than worrying about fixing their situation. We all know it's a problem but how do we fix it.   Quotas are a mixed bag, I don't believe in reparations because my great great grandfather fought in the Union Army and I don't believe I owe anything because I have never held anyone back.   What should we do?

IMO: Education, tutoring, counseling, and mentorship. Basically, people getting involved and motivating young poor (black or white) kids while telling them that they're important.

The challenge is that this often requires money. Some politicians think that it is more important to build walls and expensive warcrafts than it is to help kids that need help.

How many people who profess to care about disadvantaged populations join Big Brothers / Big Sisters? Volunteer to coach, lead a Scout troop, etc.?  Volunteer to tutor? Take in a foster child?

The things you talked about aren’t really a bigger government / more spending problem. They’re more indicative of a society that is big on lip service, but not really big on getting its hands dirty. Certainly some folks do, but most of the potential tutors and mentors would rather be playing fantasy football.

This is the current administration's take on Americorps: “Funding community service and subsidizing the operation of nonprofit organizations is outside the role of the Federal Government,” the budget states. “To the extent these activities have value, they should be supported by the nonprofit and private sectors and not with Federal subsidies provided through the complex Federal grant structure run by CNCS.”

One side of the aisle thinks that government can help, while the other doesn't think it can help.

We will pay for weapons, but don't think its right to support after-school tutoring. And we wonder why there's a unique gun violence issue in this country. And when we try to provide solutions for at-risk children, the government clearly states that this is not a priority.

[Roy H.]

Back to Hollywood...

This is from an article criticizing the lack of female directors in the Star Wars universe:

With the “Star Wars” properties threatening to continue as long as the Earth spins, Kennedy has yet to make good on her supposed desire to recruit a woman to call the shots. In 2016, Kennedy said “there are many” women who could direct a “Star Wars” movie ― and she’d “talked to most of them.” Just last month, J.J. Abrams, who is preparing the follow-up to “The Last Jedi,” told Metro that Kennedy is “actively working to do the right thing” with regard to the lack of female directors in Lucasfilm’s annals.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-star-wars-apos-fails-000600663.html

Why is it the “right thing” to hire a female director? Isn’t the “right thing” to hire the best director with the best vision?