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« Reply #1200 on: July 09, 2024, 10:09:28 AM »

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League MVP Finalists:

McGrady (SAB)
Dwight (CFF)
Kemp (CFF)
Webber (Gouki)
Brand (Roy)

DPOY Finalists:

Ben Wallace (RPG)
Mutombo (Roy)
Dwight (CFF)
Zo (Who)
JO (theswitch)

6MOTY Finalists:

McDyess (CFF)
Blake (SAB)
Granger (theswitch)
Artest (RPG)
IT (Roy)

1st Team All-NBA

Dwight
Webber
TMac
Penny
Price

2nd Team All-NBA

Brand
Kemp
Mullin
Westphal
Deron

All-Snub Team

Zo
JO*
Lanier
Peja
Manu

JO was the single biggest snub, as he is probably the MVP of theswitch but he can't crack the top 4 bigs, whereas those guards can when compared to the overall league landscape. The easiest 1st teamers to peg were Dwight, TMac, and Price actually. Dwight pulled ahead of Kemp in times of adversity for CFF, who had been the darling of the sim after sharing the Bracket title with SAB and before losing to switch in the RR semis. TMac is probably the league MVP and is the league's apex scorer, putting up Lebron like numbers for the potential #1 team in the sim.

Price abused every PG in the league in nearly every matchup. You could make a good stats bad team argument, but in a world where Billups routinely had 7-8 points as a 4th option, KJ busted, and 20 was a monster game for Penny, Price's steady 20 points and 6-12 assists with low turnovers with the only reason Dons was in games and got Ws. Dons will not be with us for RR round 2 so we will say goodbye to Price, but he is honored here with 1st team All NBA.

Webber was simply dominant. Had CFF advanced to the finals and won it would've been hard to leave Kemp off, but when CFF got punched in the mouth by theswitch, Kemp wilted while Dwight powered through in a loss. Webber was dominant every game for Gouki and was the best player on his team every single night, and the best player on the floor many nights. Brand was less likely to be the best player on his team, as Manu sometimes got hot, but he was probably the POG as often as Webber was on a team that advanced farther, and whose only real established blemish to this point in the sim is not being able to beat SAB. Roy has the most on the line in RR sim 2.

Conclusion: Bigs are the impact makers in this sim, with elite wings following and guards a distant third. I complained about Westphal, but looking over the rosters and starting SGs, there really wasn't anyone making more of an impact at the SG position. I think Thompson could've, but TMac is the single best #1 option in the league and he often kept Thompson in the teens on SAB, similarly to how Billups was muted as a 4th option. Roy also could've, but he plays SF here and had enough stinkers that may have been due to that, that he wouldn't make it if a SG.
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2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1201 on: July 10, 2024, 11:14:41 AM »

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2023 Round Robin Sim Semi Finals / Final 4

#1 CFF vs #6 theswitch

theswitch wins 3-4, 4-2, 4-3 in Act 1, loses 4-3, 0-4, 3-4 in Act 2, and wins 4-2, 4-2 in Act 3 to take the series and the round in a major Jimmy Valvano level upset. 

Westphal finally comes alive this series and is player of the game twice in Act 1. In Act 3 Penny leads the team flanked by JO and Westphal, who previously was not usually a top 3 player on theswitch. JO is not his usual alpha self but still plays well, Penny is huge, and the rest of the starters + Granger step up game to game to provide enough support to get by. The starters for OKC were often quiet in this series, bothered by the length/athleticism of Toronto's defense. Kemp and Howard were unusually muted at times, with Peja forced to be OKC's alpha. It didn't work.

It was hard to label the series MVP. Westphal was the surprising MVP of Act 1, Penny in Act 3 and those are the two that won it for Toronto, but JO was the #1 or #2 guy for most games of the entire series, which is something neither Penny or Westphal can say. Pick 2 and call em co-MVPs.

#4 SAB vs #5 Roy Hobbs

In a reprise of their Bracket battle in round 1, this time in the Round Robin semi finals, Roy wins 4-3, 4-3 in Act 1, and loses 3-4, 2-4 in Act 2. In the pivotal 3rd Act, SAB won out 4-1, 3-4, 4-1.

Series MVP was TMac as he was the primary driver of every game SAB won, which in wins translated to 20-30 points and a typical stat line of 27-8-7 with 3 stocks. However, Lanier was Player of the Game with monsters in both Act Clinching Game 7's, and the entire team needed to ball out to win the series, from TMac to Big 4 to Nance, 6th-7th men, and entire bench mob.

Iggy bothered TMac at times. Brand was great, as he has been all year as an MVP contender, with Manu and Iggy contributing significant secondary offense and Mookie/Deke playing all around ball. The SAB Big 4 all produced. Deron (triple double and 19-4-10, 19-5-7 games in W's), Thompson (often the #2 scorer right there with TMac including 28-7-5, 24-6-3, 20-7-6 in wins) and Lanier fueled the SAB offense, plus a great scoring series from Nance, punching above his offensive role. Strong benches continued to add points in bunches for both teams from loaded supporting casts (with Blake, Brad D, Wall, Hawkins, MRR for SAB and IT, AK47, Mash, Cousins for Roy).

THE FINALS - #4 SAB vs #6 theswitch

Sims to come...
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1202 on: July 10, 2024, 12:09:01 PM »

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So the main event in the RR sim finals will matchup the two teams that traded for #1 pick.

Switch was thinking to take Penny #1 he liked him that much, and this deal allowed him to grab Penny at 5 and pick up another 3rd rounder for minimal cost. He had his starters by mid 4th round and grabbing JO allowed him to atone for prioritizing D early. It was a great deal for him and the consensus was, he won the deal. Part of that was people thought it was a flat draft. With no current guys or top 75 players, people weren't sure there was a big gap between #1-5.

I thought that maybe there was. I looked at it as a market and from the viewpoint of HBO's the leftovers. Modern players are gone and the MJ, LBJ, Kobe, West, Wade, Shaq, Wilt, Russ, Kareem, KG, Duncan, Hakeem, and legends are poof, gone. If they're gone and the next crop has to step up, who do you want? Also, what positions and traits are scarce and play well with others?

I thought with pick #5, I might miss out on TMac, Grant Hill, Dwight, Penny, and the upper echelon guys who could hang with top 25 all time guys and should be poised to take over here. It turns out I would've been able to get Dwight at #5 anyway and put marksmen around him like OKC, but I think what I did with a dynamic wing duo is more interesting, to me anyway.

You could say Webber is Duncan, or McGrady is Kobe/MJ, or Thompson is Wade, or Dwight is Big Man X, whatever you want. I assembled a pretty long list of guys who would've been MVP or top 3 MVPs if you removed those players from the running, but I thought TMac's big season stood head and shoulders above the rest offensively. There were positions/traits I thought I could find value on/with, and I thought I could find defense and some good 2 way players late.

I think we both won this trade, as evidenced by us getting to the finals here. I made the finals/won the finals in the Bracket sim depending on length of series, and theswitch lost to me in the semis of the Bracket and did not play CFF or Roy. It seems CFF, SAB, and the switch are in the top half of the bracket and Roy has the best claim right now to round it out.

Do we need a 2nd RR with Kernewek and Moranis to see how it all shakes out again, harrassing CelticsStrong and the offseason banter in the process?
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1203 on: July 10, 2024, 12:29:31 PM »

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Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1204 on: July 10, 2024, 12:37:51 PM »

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It seems CFF, SAB, and the switch are in the top half of the bracket and Roy has the best claim right now to round it out.

Very flattered to be in that position.  I just wanted a team where I liked all of the guys.  I can't wait to do this in a few years and take Jrue Holiday in the first round as my ultimate binkie, haha.


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Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1205 on: July 10, 2024, 02:07:37 PM »

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2023 RR NOT TOP 75 OR CURRENT FINALS

#4 SAB vs #6 theswitch

ACT 1

Here it is. The main event in the RR finals, the teams that trades the #1 picks, the old friends.

theswitch opens Act 1 winning in a convincing 4-1 fashion with a balanced team effort, led by Jermaine O'Neal, with Penny & Westphal again thriving in some high stakes playoff matchups.

SAB took the first game as Lanier was strong in the first 2 games, and TMac posted 25-10-9 in a close game 2 loss, but it was all downhill from there as SAB's offense sputtered like CFF's did in the previous round. TMac had 2 clunkers and SAB got engulfed quickly and fell into a hole.

Series 2 saw theswitch easily repeat at 4-1. McGrady had a heroic game 3 with 34-9-7 which are freak numbers for this 90's style sim, but other than that theswitch cruised.

If he wins just 1 of the next 2 acts, he cruises to an NBA championship. SAB better sober up.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2024, 07:38:55 PM by smokeablount »
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

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« Reply #1206 on: July 10, 2024, 08:31:45 PM »

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ACT 2

theswitch started off winning 4-2 with another strong team effort and incredible team defense. The supporting cast of starters for SAB was reduced to scraps and McGrady was forced to do it all. He didn't disappoint, averaging 30-5-6 for the series, but all of switch's starters shined and he took it with minimal resistance. JO has been his MVP but Penny, Westphal, Gasol were all POGs.

SAB took the next series 4-3 as McGrady got some support but still scorched, averaging 28-6-8. The difference were his assists, potential assists and team ball movement, as they got easy shots. He earned 3 POGs with Lanier taking the 4th. Lanier is the unquestioned #2 in this series behind TMac, but SAB's starting unit hasn't gotten it done, and TMac + Bench has fallen short.

In the pivotal swing series of Act 2, with his life on the line, SAB put forth their best effort and got out to a 3-0 lead, as T-Mac led with 25-5-6 + 2 blocks and Lanier was huge, averaging 20-10-3 + 3 blocks. Then theswitch took the next 2 to get it to 3-2, but in game 6 Blake Griffin came off the bench and put up 20-9 in 25 mins to take POG and game high scoring honors. SAB took the series 4-2 in a defensive battle where no one scored above 20 points and only TMac and Lanier scored in double digits among SAB starters. Westphal led switch in that game, tieing Griffin with 20.

ACT 3

should be coming later tonight...

after that, will input Kernewek, Moranis, and anyone who replies here who finished #9-12.

Check the top of the page here for MVP, DPOY, and 6MOY candidates, updated with 1st and 2nd All-NBA teams, which are final.
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1207 on: July 11, 2024, 09:16:16 AM »

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Act 3

SAB won the 1st series 4-3, barely holding on after taking a 3-1 lead. TMac put up 27-9-9 in the clinching game 7 and was a monster on defense in the series, registering 3+ steals and 3+ blocks each on 2 separate occasions in winning efforts. Even in losses, the supporting cast came out strong, led by David Thompson, with typical great performances from Deron and Lanier.

In series 2, theswitch went up 3-1 in similar fashion to the Bracket semis. It looked like there would for sure be a finals defining 3rd series. But SAB came storming back to force a game 7, and then won that game 117-115, with a surprising Big 3 of TMac at 23-4-4, Deron at 20-8, and Blake off the bench with 24-10 as the game high scorer. Lanier was the clear 2nd best player on SAB in Act 3 however, and dominated this matchup with Gasol. JO and Westphal were great in defeat, with 22-11-5-4 for JO and 19 points and 8 assists for Westphal. Penny had 14-8.

SAB is your 2023 RR1 Sim Winner!

TMac was the obvious finals MVP as he was the alpha for SAB throughout. Lanier was the 2nd best player in the finals. JO was the MVP for theswitch and would've been finals MVP had they won. He is a top 8-10 player in the league but because of all the talented big men, did not make all-nba.

The next steps are to remove the top 2 bottom performing teams and add Kerns and Moranis. That'd be Dons and I need to check who the 2nd team is.

With RPG having 1 point less than Who in RR but making the Bracket semis, I am having a sim off to determine which team gets voted off the island.

Act 1 - Who wins 4-3, 3-4, 4-3

Act 2 - Who wins 4-2, 4-1

The new RR2 draw:

CFF, Gouki, Who, SAB, Roy, theswitch, Moranis, Kerns
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2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1208 on: July 11, 2024, 11:29:58 AM »

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2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1209 on: July 11, 2024, 06:47:12 PM »

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OFFICIAL SIM RR2 TRACKER

          CFF. Gouk.Who.SAB.Roy switch  Mo Kerns
CFF.      x.    4        4     4    4       4       4    4   28 - #1
Gouk.   3      x       4     3     4      4       2    3   23 - #2a   
Who.     1     3       x.    1     1      2       4    4   16 - #6
SAB.     1      4       4     x.    2      4       4    4   23 - #2b
Roy.      0      2       4     4     x      4       4    4   22 - #4
switch.  1      2       4     2     1      x       4    4   18 - #5
Mo.       0      4       3     1     0      1       x    2   11 - #8
Kerns    1      4       1     0     0      2       4    x   12 - #7

The final 4 in RR2 are CFF as the #1 yet again, SAB and Gouki as co-#2's, and Roy as the #4

The newcomers, like the teams before them, were perpetual road teams. Both did better than their records indicate, as they had strong games and hung tough. Moranis's frontcourt ranks up there with OKC at the top of the league, and Kerns had the most lethal bench in the league along with SAB, led by Agent 0 who is a shoe-in for 6MOY and Aguirre. Both were capable of 20+.

I will sim the semi finals later, similarly to how we did in the first round robin.
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1210 on: July 11, 2024, 06:47:22 PM »

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RR2 Award Candidates

Updated after each semi-final matchup

MVP

Dwight (CFF)
TMac (SAB)
Webber (Gouk)
Brand (Roy)
JO (switch)

DPOY

Zo (Who)
Deke (Roy)
Dwight (CFF)
JO (switch)
Dumars (Gouki)

6MOY

Agent 0 (Kerns)
Blake (SAB)
Granger (theswitch)
McDyess (CFF)
Issel (Mo)

1st Team All-NBA

Dwight (CFF #1)
Zo (Who #6)
Brand (Roy #4)
TMac (SAB #2b)
Westphal (switch #5)

2nd Team All NBA

Lanier (SAB #2b)
Webber (Gouk #2a)
JO (theswitch #5)
Peja (CFF #1)
Porter (Gouk #2a)

All-Snub Team

Pau (Mo #8)
Rasheed (Kerns #7)
Kemp (CFF #1)
Manu (Roy #4)
Deron (SAB #2b)

In the MVP race, #1 and #2 flipped this year so far, as Dwight was an absolute monster in RR and took on a larger offensive role this year. The team was equally dominant, but Kemp was more of a supporting player as Dwight exploded and Peja assumed more of the #2 role in CFF?s Big 3.

McGrady got more help in the RR this year but SAB did a little worse. TMac still had his virtuoso performances, but more often in wins was that 2 out of 3 of Lanier, Deron, and Thompson would have superstar games, notably Lanier who won POG frequently for SAB. There are 3 guys who you could make a case for not being top 2 offensive options on their team, who won a lot of POGs in RR2, and they are Bob Lanier, Paul Westphal, and Terry Porter.

In DPOY it has to be Mourning, despite Who finishing lower than his voting rank. Zo seemed to block 7+ shots in 1/3 of Who?s games. He had 9+ blocks 4x in 7 best of 7 game series. It was remarkable. Big Ben Wallace won it last year with monster block totals, albeit less so, but otherworldly rebounding and noticeably hampering the other team?s center. With RPG relegated and Ben gone, there was a void here and Zo clearly filled it. The other guys were led by Mutombo and they were all big men who flashed similar, less dramatic alternatives to Zo?s straight up dominance.

In 6MOY, Agent 0 should win in a landslide and fellow newcomer Dan Issel made the final ballot with consistent double digit scoring and solid rebounding seemingly every game off the bench. Arenas leading his team in scoring off the bench was not a surprise result, and he routinely scored 14-24 points off the bench as the premier 6th man in the league. It?s not close. Familiar faces McDyess, Blake and Granger all dominated off the bench this year as well, with Blake elevating his game and looking headed for another #2 finish and last years winner McDyess losing some scoring punch.

In this league, the playoffs count for these awards, there is just a Finals MVP as well. DPOY/6MOY are mostly decided, barring Deke sending Roy on a big playoff run. MVP is up for grabs, and All NBA will likely shift after the playoffs like it did last year, with playoff guys getting a chance to beef up their resumes.

The All-NBA award rivalry goes to Roy and Gouki. Brand and Webber are battling for 1st team, and Porter and Mookie are battling for 2nd team, with the guards coming out of nowhere in RR2 to take home POG honors more consistently than their star teammates in Roy/Manu.

Dwight and McGrady are the two main guys in the running for MVP. But if Gouki/Roy make a run, one of those two 1st team All-NBA caliber big guys could find themselves ahead of the pack at the end, depending on how big of a 2-way load they take along the way, and on what happens with TMac/Dwight. Both the top 2 guys' teams have deep supporting casts of stars. Last year Dwight relied more on his, mainly Kemp and Peja, until the playoffs while McGrady went supernova all year. This year Kemp is quieter and it's Dwight going ape with Peja supporting, while TMac is blending in a bit more, getting star-caliber performances from 3-4 starters in many SAB wins.

If Roy makes a run and Deke looks like Zo did in the regular season, he could take DPOY. However, Zo's run this year was unprecedented and is unlikely to be beat. Ia 6th man unseating Arenas doesn't seem possible with the caliber of the starting rosters, but that remains to be seen.

Onto the playoffs, as #1 CFF takes on #4 Roy, and #2a / #2b Gouki / SAB square off.
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2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

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2023 RR2 NOT TOP 75 OR CURRENT SEMI-FINALS

#1 CFF vs #5 Roy Hobbs

Last year, theswitch pulled off a major upset, led by Jermaine O'Neal and Paul Westphal and supported by Penny Hardaway and Marc Gasol, defeating CFF in the semis. Again this year, CFF lit up the regular season and finds itself as the #1 seed after running the table.

Roy broke thru vs SAB in RR2 and closed enough series to improve on last year's record and lock down a playoff spot both years, joining CFF and SAB. Gouki / theswitch locked down the 4th spot in their respective year, and theswitch / RPG made the bracket semis with CFF/SAB.
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Roy Hobbs is led by Elton Brand, who is a leading contender for 1st team All NBA, flanked by an All-NBA Snub backcourt of Manu Ginobili and Mookie Blaylock. Mookie has emerged as the #2 or #3 guy on this team, joining Brand and Manu, and seizing the role from Iggy who held it last season. Deke patrols the paint and contributes solid scoring considering his defensive production (current DPOY #2). The bench mob led by IT, Mash, AK47, Cousins is excellent.

CFF is just a beast. They always sim #1 in any regular season, and they were co-champs in the bracket tournament. Dwight is a perennial top 2 MVP finisher, #1 so far this year. Both Kemp and Peja are capable of being elite 2nd banana All-NBA guys. Together, they form the most fearsome Big 3 in the league. Chauncey and Majerle are relegated to distant 4th and 5th options, while on other teams they'd be middle of the pack. The bench led by McDyess, Gerald Wallace, and a plethora of potent forwards is lethal. Put it all together, and CFF is the title favorite.

ACT 1

CFF sweep 4-0, as Brand just really doesn't get any support until game 4, at which point Chauncey erupts for 31-11, which is an all time sim high for scoring from a PG. All the starters were great for CFF, the only one who was below average was Peja, which is fine because he's 2nd team All-NBA and it allowed Kemp, Chauncey and Majerle to all shine. Brand wasn't even great, though he was the only one producing at a high level, and Roy's bench winning their matchup didn't amount to much with how badly the starters got outplayed, from the #1 option down to the #5.

Roy gets frisky in Series 2 and go up 3-2, but ultimately lose 4-3 as Brand gets more support throughout the series but he never has a big game. He fails to break 20 once as Kemp and Dwight are both far more productive on the other side. It wasn't an encouraging performance in his MVP and All-NBA candidacy in Act 1, and Manu outplayed Mookie under the bright lights.

Roy's back is against the wall headed into Act 2, he needs two 7 game series wins to extend it.

2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

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CFF is a tough matchup.  I think against that team I'd start Boogie.  It draws D12 out of the paint and gives Brand more space inside.

The coaching staff would definitely need to get creative. 


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Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1213 on: July 12, 2024, 03:47:33 PM »

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Act 2

CFF wins 4-2 as Brand gets exposed. Still can't break 20. In Game 3, Brand leads Roy in scoring with 16-9-0 and 3 blocks. But on the other side, Dwight gets 32-16-0 with 4 blocks and Kemp gets 21-11-3 with 1 block. In Game 4, Brand had 11-6-3 and Dwight had 20-13-1, Kemp had 15-11-1. Roy just can't win when Brand is consistently the 3rd best big in a series. He has to be in the running for #1 if not in the outright lead, because Roy goes as Brand goes.

In Series 2, Roy catches fire and wins 4-2 as Brand emerges as an alpha scorer in 3-4 games and Manu is scorching. In Roy's decisive Game 5 win, Elton has 26-9-3 with 4 stocks and Manu has 32-7-5 in a TMac like games that is his career high in this sim. Dwight is valiant in defeat.

In the pivotal series 3, with Roy's life on the line, he gets swallowed up 4-1 after falling in a 3-0 hole to start the series. There is just not much Roy can do when all of CFF's starters are firing at once. Brand is pretty good, but his stock will take a hit after this. Manu's stock is way up after this series, he will take over Mookie's spot on the all-snub team and has a shot at 2nd Team All-NBA if Porter falters vs SAB. Kemp also shined and looked more like the #2 than Peja, more in line with last year and less with the RR2 regular season. Dwight continued to look like a league MVP.

Up next is semi-final matchup #2, SAB vs Gouki to determine who goes into the pressure cooker!

2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!
« Reply #1214 on: July 12, 2024, 03:52:14 PM »

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Can re-sim with Boogie starting, didn't see your post before. More concise write ups maybe lol

You in? If so give me a center minutes split, I'll re-sim after my matchup with Gouk

EDIT - 32 / 16 split with DMC / Deke

Let's see if 'the pull out method' works for Roy! If it unlocks Brand and more driving lanes for Manu while also offering a scoring upgrade at the center position, Roy could be onto something.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2024, 04:02:11 PM by smokeablount »
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07