Sources have confirmed that the Celtics prepare to send Avery Bradley, Fab Melo and draft picks to the Suns for Marcin Gortat. Waiting to hear back if the Suns will accept the deal.SRC: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=377600805662078&set=a.353036154785210.88414.353025171452975&type=1
Post the link. WHere is it from?
I think this one is a false alarm, people. Twitter ain't sayin nothin.
http://clnsradio.com/2012/11/23/celtics-to-propose-trade-for-marcin-gortat/
No proposal fully drawn yet but the links suggest Bradley and Melo + picks
Bradley no :(
I apologize if this has already been pointed out, but-There is no possible Gortat trade before December 15th without Rondo or Pierce being in the deal.
Don't mistake this for an opinion- the trade rules make it a literal impossibility.
I apologize if this has already been pointed out, but-There is no possible Gortat trade before December 15th without Rondo or Pierce being in the deal.
Don't mistake this for an opinion- the trade rules make it a literal impossibility.
Annnnd, we're up to 'likely false'.
I apologize if this has already been pointed out, but-There is no possible Gortat trade before December 15th without Rondo or Pierce being in the deal.
Don't mistake this for an opinion- the trade rules make it a literal impossibility.
Annnnd, we're up to 'likely false'.
none of these points indicate at all that this rumor is false. I'm pretty confident it's true. Of course the salaries don't match, but there have been many, many rumored trades based on players with non-matching salaries. The teams start with these as a basis and then fill in the rest (Bass) to make salaries match. This always happens. Second, of course we can't trade Bass, Green, or Lee yet, as I mentioned before, but it makes sense to start serious trade discussions now, Dec. 15th is not very far away folks.
I'm surprised we can even get Gortat for Bradley.
I apologize if this has already been pointed out, but-There is no possible Gortat trade before December 15th without Rondo or Pierce being in the deal.
Don't mistake this for an opinion- the trade rules make it a literal impossibility.
Annnnd, we're up to 'likely false'.
none of these points indicate at all that this rumor is false. I'm pretty confident it's true. Of course the salaries don't match, but there have been many, many rumored trades based on players with non-matching salaries. The teams start with these as a basis and then fill in the rest (Bass) to make salaries match. This always happens. Second, of course we can't trade Bass, Green, or Lee yet, as I mentioned before, but it makes sense to start serious trade discussions now, Dec. 15th is not very far away folks.
Point: Not a single legitimate source
Point: No trade capable until Dec 15th
Either one of those makes the alleged 'offer' highly unlikely, or at the very best preliminary negotiations.
TP to LarBrd33. I am repeating for emphasis-There is no possible Gortat trade before December 15th without Rondo or Pierce being in the deal.
Don't mistake this for an opinion- the trade rules make it a literal impossibility.
I apologize if this has already been pointed out, but-There is no possible Gortat trade before December 15th without Rondo or Pierce being in the deal.
Don't mistake this for an opinion- the trade rules make it a literal impossibility.
Annnnd, we're up to 'likely false'.
none of these points indicate at all that this rumor is false. I'm pretty confident it's true. Of course the salaries don't match, but there have been many, many rumored trades based on players with non-matching salaries. The teams start with these as a basis and then fill in the rest (Bass) to make salaries match. This always happens. Second, of course we can't trade Bass, Green, or Lee yet, as I mentioned before, but it makes sense to start serious trade discussions now, Dec. 15th is not very far away folks.
Point: Not a single legitimate source
Point: No trade capable until Dec 15th
Either one of those makes the alleged 'offer' highly unlikely, or at the very best preliminary negotiations.
I'm pretty convinced this is a legit offer with Bradley, Melo, and picks for Gortat as the foundation, and the teams have a few weeks to work out the salary matching pieces, since the 15th of december is almost here. This is how trades usually work anyways. This is likely legit. Too many reports and too many details for it to be complete speculation.
TP to LarBrd33. I am repeating for emphasis-There is no possible Gortat trade before December 15th without Rondo or Pierce being in the deal.
Don't mistake this for an opinion- the trade rules make it a literal impossibility.
TP to LarBrd33. I am repeating for emphasis-There is no possible Gortat trade before December 15th without Rondo or Pierce being in the deal.
Don't mistake this for an opinion- the trade rules make it a literal impossibility.
Rondo or pierce?hahaha no thanks. I don't even want to give up Bradley ...rondo for gortat would be the dumbest move in the history of the celtics
the salaries dont work at all...no way this is a true rumor..until i hear it from Woj Im calling false.
now if you Did Lee(5million), Melo and picks it would be alot closer.
considering how BAD defensively our SG's are I would be hesitant to trade bradley...this wont fix our problem of dribble penetration
you fix rebounding potentially. But you are stuck with a sieve defensively at SG
the salaries dont work at all...no way this is a true rumor..until i hear it from Woj Im calling false.
now if you Did Lee(5million), Melo and picks it would be alot closer.
considering how BAD defensively our SG's are I would be hesitant to trade bradley...this wont fix our problem of dribble penetration
you fix rebounding potentially. But you are stuck with a sieve defensively at SG
We made it to within 5 minutes of the NBA finals last year with a legit "sieve" at SG, Ray Allen, so I'd take our chances with Lee at that position.
the salaries dont work at all...no way this is a true rumor..until i hear it from Woj Im calling false.
now if you Did Lee(5million), Melo and picks it would be alot closer.
considering how BAD defensively our SG's are I would be hesitant to trade bradley...this wont fix our problem of dribble penetration
you fix rebounding potentially. But you are stuck with a sieve defensively at SG
We made it to within 5 minutes of the NBA finals last year with a legit "sieve" at SG, Ray Allen, so I'd take our chances with Lee at that position.
thus far, injured ray allen >> Courtney Lee sadly
No way salaries work. Would rather not see Bradley go, but we need a Center.
the salaries dont work at all...no way this is a true rumor..until i hear it from Woj Im calling false.
now if you Did Lee(5million), Melo and picks it would be alot closer.
considering how BAD defensively our SG's are I would be hesitant to trade bradley...this wont fix our problem of dribble penetration
you fix rebounding potentially. But you are stuck with a sieve defensively at SG
We made it to within 5 minutes of the NBA finals last year with a legit "sieve" at SG, Ray Allen, so I'd take our chances with Lee at that position.
the salaries dont work at all...no way this is a true rumor..until i hear it from Woj Im calling false.
now if you Did Lee(5million), Melo and picks it would be alot closer.
considering how BAD defensively our SG's are I would be hesitant to trade bradley...this wont fix our problem of dribble penetration
you fix rebounding potentially. But you are stuck with a sieve defensively at SG
We made it to within 5 minutes of the NBA finals last year with a legit "sieve" at SG, Ray Allen, so I'd take our chances with Lee at that position.
Wade had a compromised knee.
the salaries dont work at all...no way this is a true rumor..until i hear it from Woj Im calling false.
now if you Did Lee(5million), Melo and picks it would be alot closer.
considering how BAD defensively our SG's are I would be hesitant to trade bradley...this wont fix our problem of dribble penetration
you fix rebounding potentially. But you are stuck with a sieve defensively at SG
We made it to within 5 minutes of the NBA finals last year with a legit "sieve" at SG, Ray Allen, so I'd take our chances with Lee at that position.
Wade had a compromised knee.
The “Polish Hammer” stands under 6’11, but is averaging 11 points and nine boards a game for the Phoenix Suns. It’s only speculation at this point on who the Celtics would trade for the five-year veteran, but it would most likely have to include a young piece (Avery Bradley or Courtney Lee) and a big (Brandon Bass or Fab Melo).
Sorry, even though we need a center we just cant let Bradley go.
This move will come back and haunt us until the day Avery retires from the NBA. This guy will end up as the best on ball defender ever.
Sorry, even though we need a center we just cant let Bradley go.
This move will come back and haunt us until the day Avery retires from the NBA. This guy will end up as the best on ball defender ever.
And Bosh was hurt and Pierce was hurt and blah and blah and blah...
My question remains, aside from the fact that the earliest trade that can be completed is 3 weeks away, what legitimate reasons are there to believe a rumor that I haven't seen pronounced anywhere that could be seen as legitimate. CLNS is repeating what they read on an American basketball blog (which is not a bad source, but its not an actual 'source'), who quoted a European basketball blog. The American blog in question stated the 'offer' which is complete and utter speculation:QuoteThe “Polish Hammer” stands under 6’11, but is averaging 11 points and nine boards a game for the Phoenix Suns. It’s only speculation at this point on who the Celtics would trade for the five-year veteran, but it would most likely have to include a young piece (Avery Bradley or Courtney Lee) and a big (Brandon Bass or Fab Melo).
IMO, the only offers that Phoenix would consider are...
Bass + Bradley + Melo + Picks
OR
Sullinger + Melo + Lee + Picks
I'd be sad to see Bradley or Sully traded, but we can't get Gortat without giving up an asset or two.
This rumor seems like total BS, but I would be shocked if Danny wasn't already in talks with Phoenix. Gortat is an excellent defender, a solid rebounder, and Rondo-Gortat pick-and-rolls would be a thing of beauty. I think that's worth giving up Bradley or Sullinger. I'll sacrifice future potential for a better shot at Banner 18.
You really think Melo's upside is bigger than Sully's?
Call me stupid but I'd rather not trade melo. His potential is to high and I'd love to see him develop under kg for a few years. Phx can have their pick off lee, bass, sully and if all else fails Bradley.
You guys really underrate and underestimate Melo. I won't be surprised if we call him up and HE becomes the reason we win some games.You really think Melo's upside is bigger than Sully's?
not even close. Melo will be lucky to be a Perkins type, Sully's ceiling is an all-star
You really think Melo's upside is bigger than Sully's?
not even close. Melo will be lucky to be a Perkins type, Sully's ceiling is an all-star
You guys really underrate and underestimate Melo. I won't be surprised if we call him up and HE becomes the reason we win some games.
QuoteYou guys really underrate and underestimate Melo. I won't be surprised if we call him up and HE becomes the reason we win some games.
Yeah, he has really helped us thus far, crack kill brain cells I guess....
You obviously failed to understand my point. What I am saying is that you guys consider Melo complete useless garbage of a player. That's not true. You guys think he can't do anything. From what I have seen, Melo wants to learn. Melo is willing to do what it takes to improve himself. As they say, "Where there's a will, there's a way." My point is its not too far-fetched to say that he will soon be able to help us at some point.QuoteYou guys really underrate and underestimate Melo. I won't be surprised if we call him up and HE becomes the reason we win some games.
Yeah, he has really helped us thus far, crack kill brain cells I guess....
You obviously failed to understand my point. What I am saying is that you guys consider Melo complete useless garbage of a player. That's not true. You guys think he can't do anything. From what I have seen, Melo wants to learn. Melo is willing to do what it takes to improve himself. As they say, "Where there's a will, there's a way." My point is its not too far-fetched to say that he will soon be able to help us at some point.QuoteYou guys really underrate and underestimate Melo. I won't be surprised if we call him up and HE becomes the reason we win some games.
Yeah, he has really helped us thus far, crack kill brain cells I guess....
You obviously failed to understand my point. What I am saying is that you guys consider Melo complete useless garbage of a player. That's not true. You guys think he can't do anything. From what I have seen, Melo wants to learn. Melo is willing to do what it takes to improve himself. As they say, "Where there's a will, there's a way." My point is its not too far-fetched to say that he will soon be able to help us at some point.
how abouit keep our defensive pest bradley and trade melo with Lee and Green???
Then we have bass, Sully, JET, barbosa and wilcox coming off the bench. only problem is a guy to back up The Truth. still a strong bench it would seem. unless we can put bass at the 3 and sully at the 4 and wilcox at the 5.
put KG back to the 4. Gortat starts at the 5.
Lets do it. I don't want Bradley gone but Gortat, production wise would give us a great help to WIN NOW.
On a side note, while I appreciate your report, i really do. My question is mr. OP is, why do you even care?
I thought you gave up on this team? I though you're done with this team? Unless you just want us to know the news then I rest my case. Outside of that, why bother when you already have up on this team. Didn't you post that "I'm done with this team" thread a few days ago? What, sudden change of heart, Mr. band wagoner?
Bold statement. I'm sure Cooper, Jordan, etc. would have something to say about it.
I love Bradley, but I would love him much more if he had prototypical SG size. As great as a defender as he is, bigger guards can still shoot over him. That'll never change.
Bradley is NOT the difference between where we are now and Banner 18.
Gortat very well may be...
What don't you guys understand about that?
???
Bradley is NOT the difference between where we are now and Banner 18.
Gortat very well may be...
What don't you guys understand about that?
???
You can think a euro center who has never really been a part of playoffs basketball is the difference if you want. I don't.
He did well with Steve Nash in a pick and roll system but still wasn't really enough of a difference maker to win that team serious games.
Reasonable player on a mediocre team. Definitely not worth trading Avery for.
Bradley is NOT the difference between where we are now and Banner 18.
Gortat very well may be...
What don't you guys understand about that?
Still wouldn't solve our problems with the rebounding and shot blocking.
Avery can shut down anyone, but I we can't rebound it's useless. I love the kid, but I'd rather have Lee who can do a good job defensively as well (not Avery level) and have a Euro center who, while not have been in the playoffs, will still rebound and block shots for us than having a shutdown wing but we can't finish the defense because we allow offensive rebounds.
Still wouldn't solve our problems with the rebounding and shot blocking.
Avery can shut down anyone, but I we can't rebound it's useless. I love the kid, but I'd rather have Lee who can do a good job defensively as well (not Avery level) and have a Euro center who, while not have been in the playoffs, will still rebound and block shots for us than having a shutdown wing but we can't finish the defense because we allow offensive rebounds.
I disagree. I've said it before and I'll say it again - we've been a horrible rebounding team for years now, yet we've been one of the most successful teams in the league (in terms of wins and playoff wins) since the big 3 era due to our defense.
Right now our defense is poor. Today was an improvement, but one game is not enough...and it still wasn't quite where it needs to be.
Utah has been one of the best rebouding teams in the league this season and last season - where has it gotten them? Nowhere, because they are weak defensively.
When you give up an offensive rebound you give the other team another chance to score - but they still need to actually put it in the basket for it to mean anything.
If you give up a defensive rebound you give up another chance for you to score, but even if you got that rebound you still need to actually make the second shot for it to mean anything.
When you give up rebounds the opposing teams TAKE more shots. When you play bad defensively the opposing teams MAKE more shots. Which of those is more dangerous?
What is more of a difference maker - losing out on 5 offensive rebounds, or forcing 5 more turnovers with defensive pressure? When the opposing team throws the ball out of bounds, bounces it off their foot under pressure, throws it to the opposition, commits a backcourt violation or gets a 24 second / 10 second violaton then what rebound is there to secure?
Bradley makes a big enough difference on defense that he may be able to bring us back to being an elite defensive team - top 10 and maybe even top 5. If we can do this while continuing to score as well as we have so far, we'd be a dominant team regardless of whether we can get rebounds or not.
If we can somehow give up Lee + Bas or Lee + Sully and get Gortat in return, then it's Win-win. We improve our offense, improve our defense AND improve our rebounding compared to last year. Imagine Bradley's defensive pressure combined with Rondo's quick hands on the perimeter, and then Gortat and KG on the inside as the second line of defense? Plus Pierce is no slouch defensively either.
As I said, it's a REALLY hard decision to make if the move involves Bradley. It's really 50/50 on whether we'd be better or worse for it.
Would not give up more than AB, Bass and picks. Hell, might even look to get a little something something more in return.
Bradley is NOT the difference between where we are now and Banner 18.
Gortat very well may be...
What don't you guys understand about that?
???
You can think a euro center who has never really been a part of playoffs basketball is the difference if you want. I don't.
He did well with Steve Nash in a pick and roll system but still wasn't really enough of a difference maker to win that team serious games.
Reasonable player on a mediocre team. Definitely not worth trading Avery for.
Still wouldn't solve our problems with the rebounding and shot blocking.
Avery can shut down anyone, but I we can't rebound it's useless. I love the kid, but I'd rather have Lee who can do a good job defensively as well (not Avery level) and have a Euro center who, while not have been in the playoffs, will still rebound and block shots for us than having a shutdown wing but we can't finish the defense because we allow offensive rebounds.
Would not give up more than AB, Bass and picks. Hell, might even look to get a little something something more in return.
How about Bass/AB/Melo and a 1st for Gortat and Telfair? I'd take that deal.
Also I am a huge Bradley fan and would hate to see him go, even if it made our team better. For the record I'm not sure it would.
I'd like to wait until AB is healthy and our team is playing together a couple weeks into January before making a move like that.
I don't think holding up Miami as an example of a team that can win it all without a true center is accurate at all.
1) 2 of their 4 other players are top 5 players, not top five positionallly, but top 5 in the entire league, Lebron the clear number 1.
2) Chris Bosh isn't a true center in the way Bynum or Howard are, but he's played center at an elite level for huge portions of his career.
3) they're filled with mulitpositional players. Bron, Bosh, Battier, etc...
Not really a blueprint.
Sorry, even though we need a center we just cant let Bradley go.
This move will come back and haunt us until the day Avery retires from the NBA. This guy will end up as the best on ball defender ever.