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Celtics are a "good" team but are they a mirage?
« on: January 18, 2020, 03:27:34 PM »

Offline MikeB12

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I am enjoying this years team a lot more than last years....can't be happier that Irving is with the Nets but as good as this team is with 3 losses to the Sixers and with a team that can't really compete with the Bucks, I don't see how the Celtics even make the Eastern conference finals.

So are we deceiving ourselves to think that the Celtics will get better in the 2nd half and somehow be able to win games against the best teams in the East?

MikeB (longtime Celtics fan)
« Last Edit: January 18, 2020, 04:29:38 PM by MikeB12 »

Re: Celtics are a "good" team but are they a mirage?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2020, 03:36:01 PM »

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No one is deceiving themselves that we are competing.
It’s pretty much a consensus on here that this is a development / bridge / opportunistic year.
Development - to develop the Js and other young players to be better than the start of the year.. develop winning habits (questionable lately)

Bridge - most agree that trading for the missing piece is difficult with the collection of very big and very smal contracts and that some are untouchable. This is a bridge year to the eventual year that final piece can be added through trade.

Opportunistic - if Giannis and embiid go down we should go for it and make a win not trade ... small chance of that happening

To summarize we aren’t a top contender and not even a stealth contender

Re: Celtics are a "good" team but are they a mirage?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2020, 08:10:46 PM »

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Thinking they are abridge team is a terrible attitude to have and it makes them soft. To many days off for these guys while others are hungry will sink them.  Kemba missed no says last year for Hornes.

Re: Celtics are a "good" team but are they a mirage?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 09:32:49 PM »

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They aren't a mirage as a good team.  But they certainly aren't great and they have no shot at the finals.

So I suppose it depends on your expectations.

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2020, 09:44:03 PM »

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This team signed Kemba to a max contract.

Do we really believe that Ainge told Kemba to come to Boston to help with the rebuilding?

There was a max offer from the Knicks and Kemba turned it down.

I'm sure Ainge told Kemba come here because Kyrie's gone and the Celts will be right back in the hunt.

It's time to stop making excuses.

The problem is simple, the Celts are not a balanced team.

Too much wing power and outside shots and no inside presence.

The trade deadline is less than 3 weeks away, Ainge can correct this problem.

What's the use of assets if you're not going to cash in.

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2020, 10:08:47 PM »

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This team signed Kemba to a max contract.

Do we really believe that Ainge told Kemba to come to Boston to help with the rebuilding?

There was a max offer from the Knicks and Kemba turned it down.

I'm sure Ainge told Kemba come here because Kyrie's gone and the Celts will be right back in the hunt.

It's time to stop making excuses.

The problem is simple, the Celts are not a balanced team.

Too much wing power and outside shots and no inside presence.

The trade deadline is less than 3 weeks away, Ainge can correct this problem.

What's the use of assets if you're not going to cash in.

Tp
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2020, 10:28:53 PM »

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In the sense that they do not have a top 10, MVP caliber player on the team, yes. 

I think it's fair to say that historically, teams that lack a MVP type talent, irrespective of their point margin and their regular season win totals, don't hold up as well against elite opponents in the playoffs.
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2020, 10:37:07 PM »

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In the sense that they do not have a top 10, MVP caliber player on the team, yes. 

I think it's fair to say that historically, teams that lack a MVP type talent, irrespective of their point margin and their regular season win totals, don't hold up as well against elite opponents in the playoffs.

The 2004 Pistons won a championship without an MVP type talent.

Billups was the best player on that team.

But that Billups led team went to the Finals twice.

That Pistons team had the right mix of players.
They had inside presence with the two Wallaces.
Billups, Rip Hamilton, and Tayshaun Prince took care of the scoring.

The Celts should model that team instead of the GSW model of Steph and Klay.

A Celtic team with a starting 5 of Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Gallinari, and Steven Adams will be similar to the talent level of that of the 2004 Pistons team.

Smart and Theis come off the bench.

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2020, 10:42:27 PM »

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This team signed Kemba to a max contract.

Do we really believe that Ainge told Kemba to come to Boston to help with the rebuilding?

There was a max offer from the Knicks and Kemba turned it down.

I'm sure Ainge told Kemba come here because Kyrie's gone and the Celts will be right back in the hunt.

It's time to stop making excuses.

The problem is simple, the Celts are not a balanced team.

Too much wing power and outside shots and no inside presence.

The trade deadline is less than 3 weeks away, Ainge can correct this problem.

What's the use of assets if you're not going to cash in.
Agree for the most part but on top of all that, the team doesn't have a true superstar and may not have a second star start behind Kemba. 

As for making a move, I only hope that Ainge is willing to trade anyone, including Tatum and Brown. Indeed, it actually may make more sense because I'm not inclined to wait for both of them to reach their peak, which I don't really believe will be as high as many others anyway.  I think tatum and brown best case scenario is Lillard and Mccollum.

Of course, I understand that moving either brown or tatum would be difficult because of salary.  Brown has the weird thing and tatum's low salary actually makes it difficult too.

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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2020, 11:16:15 PM »

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This team signed Kemba to a max contract.

Do we really believe that Ainge told Kemba to come to Boston to help with the rebuilding?

There was a max offer from the Knicks and Kemba turned it down.

I'm sure Ainge told Kemba come here because Kyrie's gone and the Celts will be right back in the hunt.

It's time to stop making excuses.

The problem is simple, the Celts are not a balanced team.

Too much wing power and outside shots and no inside presence.

The trade deadline is less than 3 weeks away, Ainge can correct this problem.

What's the use of assets if you're not going to cash in.
Agree for the most part but on top of all that, the team doesn't have a true superstar and may not have a second star start behind Kemba. 

As for making a move, I only hope that Ainge is willing to trade anyone, including Tatum and Brown. Indeed, it actually may make more sense because I'm not inclined to wait for both of them to reach their peak, which I don't really believe will be as high as many others anyway.  I think tatum and brown best case scenario is Lillard and Mccollum.

Of course, I understand that moving either brown or tatum would be difficult because of salary.  Brown has the weird thing and tatum's low salary actually makes it difficult too.

Tatum is just 21 years old.
He will still get better.
His ceiling is becoming a top 5 player in the NBA.

Brown is playing at an All-Star level right now.

Both Brown and Tatum are going to be the star players of the Boston Celtics for many years to come.

My solution is to have a starting 5 of Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Gallinari, and Steven Adams.

Smart and Theis come off the bench.

To make that happen, Hayward must be sacrificed.

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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2020, 11:24:13 PM »

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This is a tough stretch, but I swear some of y’all would’ve broken up the 2011 OKC Thunder.

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2020, 11:28:28 PM »

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This team signed Kemba to a max contract.

Do we really believe that Ainge told Kemba to come to Boston to help with the rebuilding?

There was a max offer from the Knicks and Kemba turned it down.

I'm sure Ainge told Kemba come here because Kyrie's gone and the Celts will be right back in the hunt.

It's time to stop making excuses.

The problem is simple, the Celts are not a balanced team.

Too much wing power and outside shots and no inside presence.

The trade deadline is less than 3 weeks away, Ainge can correct this problem.

What's the use of assets if you're not going to cash in.

Tp

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2020, 11:29:18 PM »

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This is a tough stretch, but I swear some of y’all would’ve broken up the 2011 OKC Thunder.

Breaking up a team that made the Finals is stupid.

But this current Celtics team is clearly flawed.

That's why there's a need to make a change.

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2020, 11:32:55 PM »

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This team signed Kemba to a max contract.

Do we really believe that Ainge told Kemba to come to Boston to help with the rebuilding?

There was a max offer from the Knicks and Kemba turned it down.

I'm sure Ainge told Kemba come here because Kyrie's gone and the Celts will be right back in the hunt.

It's time to stop making excuses.

The problem is simple, the Celts are not a balanced team.

Too much wing power and outside shots and no inside presence.

The trade deadline is less than 3 weeks away, Ainge can correct this problem.

What's the use of assets if you're not going to cash in.


Danny doesn't believe in having players like AD , Embiid or Townes .  Its more importantbto have 6 wings and 10 guards who can't shoot ....and if thats not  enough draft another fifty .

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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2020, 11:35:25 PM »

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This team signed Kemba to a max contract.

Do we really believe that Ainge told Kemba to come to Boston to help with the rebuilding?

There was a max offer from the Knicks and Kemba turned it down.

I'm sure Ainge told Kemba come here because Kyrie's gone and the Celts will be right back in the hunt.

It's time to stop making excuses.

The problem is simple, the Celts are not a balanced team.

Too much wing power and outside shots and no inside presence.

The trade deadline is less than 3 weeks away, Ainge can correct this problem.

What's the use of assets if you're not going to cash in.


Danny doesn't believe in having players like AD , Embiid or Townes .  Its more importantbto have 6 wings and 10 guards who can't shoot ....and if thats nit enough draft another fifty .

Well, to Ainge's credit, he went all in on Anthony Davis last year.

It's just unfortunate that AD refused to come to Boston.

If AD agreed to come to Boston, Jayson Tatum would be playing for the Pelicans right now.