When would be the best time to trade Rondo?

[Moranis]

I would think the Celtics would maximize the value of a trade at the draft because they could get immediate draft pick help.  I think they would get the most potential overall value during free agency.  For example, the losers of the Carmelo sweepstakes might then be willing to overpay for Rondo (see Houston for example), but that would include future picks which likely wouldn't be all that good (though a team like Houston also has Parsons).  I don't think Boston would do that well at the trade deadline because he is an expiring contract and there is a lot of risk for the acquiring team.

[cltc5]

Draft day

[Celtics18]

Between the end of season and the draft.  PhoSita is correct - RR will be too old by the time we have fully and properly reloaded. 

he'll most likely be younger than PP was when the big trades occurred for Ray and KG

If there's a Kg trade out there to be made, then by all means keep Rondo.  Though he isn't half the star Pierce was.

Geez, not even half?

You should read this article:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/06/05/moment_of_truth/?page=full

[bucknersrevenge]

I still think Sacramento is going to try for Rondo again. Word is they definitely want to keep Rudy Gay. And FWIW Rudy is a good friend of Rondo's. Danny did say he was close to moving Rondo for that Sacramento package earlier but word got out that Rondo wouldn't resign. It's entirely possible that Sac may look to trade for him regardless and then see if they can convince him to stay with DMC and Gay as a foundation for him to play with. I'm thinking any deal for Rondo might include their #7, McLemore, and Derrick Williams. That deal would certainly constitute fireworks.

EDIT: If we want to play this out even further, throw in the idea involving acquiring Asik and Lin and maybe a pick for Bogans, Anthony, maybe Vitor and the trade exception using 2 separate deals to complete the transaction. Then talk about an overhaul.

pg lin/pressey
sg mclemore
sf green/Williams/Wallace
pf sully/bass/ko
c  asik

plus multiple draft picks. That collection in and of itself does not look appetizing but I could see it being the foundation for future moves...like Love for example. And don't think Danny's not crazy enough to make all of these trades either.

[LooseCannon]

When he is 38 years old

The problem with that plan is he may have already signed with another team before he is 30 years old.  Wouldn't it be "a better time to trade him" while he is actually on the team as opposed to losing him for nothing?

Who says we are trading him? Most likely he'll resign with the Cs given the context in which he says he wants to be a part of the decision making for the team's future. He will re-sign for a reasonable amount with a no-trade clause and build his own legacy here.

Doubt the former and why would we do the latter?

What if he is willing to sign for less if he gets a no-trade clause?

"Less" as in less than a max deal or close to it? That's still too much to give Rondo, especially when you throw in a no-trade clause.

"Less" as in a discount from whatever would be an appropriate contract.  Let's say he offers to take 10% less than the amount that Ainge offers him for a long-term contract if a no-trade clause is included.

[Eddie20]

When he is 38 years old

The problem with that plan is he may have already signed with another team before he is 30 years old.  Wouldn't it be "a better time to trade him" while he is actually on the team as opposed to losing him for nothing?

Who says we are trading him? Most likely he'll resign with the Cs given the context in which he says he wants to be a part of the decision making for the team's future. He will re-sign for a reasonable amount with a no-trade clause and build his own legacy here.

Doubt the former and why would we do the latter?

What if he is willing to sign for less if he gets a no-trade clause?

"Less" as in less than a max deal or close to it? That's still too much to give Rondo, especially when you throw in a no-trade clause.

"Less" as in a discount from whatever would be an appropriate contract.  Let's say he offers to take 10% less than the amount that Ainge offers him for a long-term contract if a no-trade clause is included.

I wouldn't touch that. It limits us way too much. A 5 year deal starting next summer will take him to around 34 years of age. Plus, 10% isn't much in terms of salary. You're talking about a difference of ony 1.4m per if Ainge offers 16m for 5 years.

[LooseCannon]

When he is 38 years old

The problem with that plan is he may have already signed with another team before he is 30 years old.  Wouldn't it be "a better time to trade him" while he is actually on the team as opposed to losing him for nothing?

Who says we are trading him? Most likely he'll resign with the Cs given the context in which he says he wants to be a part of the decision making for the team's future. He will re-sign for a reasonable amount with a no-trade clause and build his own legacy here.

Doubt the former and why would we do the latter?

What if he is willing to sign for less if he gets a no-trade clause?

"Less" as in less than a max deal or close to it? That's still too much to give Rondo, especially when you throw in a no-trade clause.

"Less" as in a discount from whatever would be an appropriate contract.  Let's say he offers to take 10% less than the amount that Ainge offers him for a long-term contract if a no-trade clause is included.

I wouldn't touch that. It limits us way too much. A 5 year deal starting next summer will take him to around 34 years of age. Plus, 10% isn't much in terms of salary. You're talking about a difference of ony 1.4m per if Ainge offers 16m for 5 years.

What percentage discount would be attractive to you?

[BballTim]

Between the end of season and the draft.  PhoSita is correct - RR will be too old by the time we have fully and properly reloaded. 

he'll most likely be younger than PP was when the big trades occurred for Ray and KG

Different types of players. Pierce, then, had a higher skill level and relied much less on his athletic ability than Rondo. Pierce's ability to shoot allowed him to keep his play at a high level despite the decreased athleticism.

  Rondo doesn't rely on his athleticism any  more than PP. He's an elite passer with great playmaking skills. It's easy to argue that he's moire skilled than PP, His assist totals are among the best ever.

[BballTim]

When he is 38 years old

The problem with that plan is he may have already signed with another team before he is 30 years old.  Wouldn't it be "a better time to trade him" while he is actually on the team as opposed to losing him for nothing?

  If that's the method you use to decide whether to trade players or not you'll go a large number of years without winning a playoff series.

[BballTim]

Between the end of season and the draft.  PhoSita is correct - RR will be too old by the time we have fully and properly reloaded. 

he'll most likely be younger than PP was when the big trades occurred for Ray and KG

If there's a Kg trade out there to be made, then by all means keep Rondo.  Though he isn't half the star Pierce was.

Geez, not even half?

You should read this article:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/06/05/moment_of_truth/?page=full

  When PP was Rondo's age he was a 4 time all-star who'd been 3rd team all-nba twice. Rondo's a 4 time all-star who's been 3rd team all-nba once and made 4 all-defense teams. The difference is obviously huge.

[Irish Stew]

Never. The chances of getting Melo are probably less than 10% and love 30%. If we get neither, then the only realistic way to construct a team that can compete at the highest level of the NBA is to create a perfectly configured team. That is, a team with 5 solid starters and 5 solid bench players. No weak links can be allowed. This is not the usual way to build a championship team but it may be our only option. Historically, Detroit's last championship might be the best example of such a team. Having said that this is my 10 man suggestion: 1) Rondo, Pressey 2) Afflalo,Bradley 3) Hood, Green 4) Sullinger, Olynyk 5) Asik, Vonleh. I know that Pressey is still a question mark and Green will probably need to be replaced by a cheaper option. It also requires that Hood and Vonleh turn out to be solid pros, which I firmly believe.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Between the end of season and the draft.  PhoSita is correct - RR will be too old by the time we have fully and properly reloaded. 

he'll most likely be younger than PP was when the big trades occurred for Ray and KG

If there's a Kg trade out there to be made, then by all means keep Rondo.  Though he isn't half the star Pierce was.

Geez, not even half?

You should read this article:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/06/05/moment_of_truth/?page=full

Yup. That's the problem with throwaway comments using your impression of a player. Sometimes (maybe a lot of the time) it is bullEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..

[csfansince60s]

I still think Sacramento is going to try for Rondo again. Word is they definitely want to keep Rudy Gay. And FWIW Rudy is a good friend of Rondo's. Danny did say he was close to moving Rondo for that Sacramento package earlier but word got out that Rondo wouldn't resign. It's entirely possible that Sac may look to trade for him regardless and then see if they can convince him to stay with DMC and Gay as a foundation for him to play with. I'm thinking any deal for Rondo might include their #7, McLemore, and Derrick Williams. That deal would certainly constitute fireworks.

EDIT: If we want to play this out even further, throw in the idea involving acquiring Asik and Lin and maybe a pick for Bogans, Anthony, maybe Vitor and the trade exception using 2 separate deals to complete the transaction. Then talk about an overhaul.

pg lin/pressey
sg mclemore
sf green/Williams/Wallace
pf sully/bass/ko
c  asik

plus multiple draft picks. That collection in and of itself does not look appetizing but I could see it being the foundation for future moves...like Love for example. And don't think Danny's not crazy enough to make all of these trades either.

+1....well thought out and quite plausible, and I wouldn't put that past Ainge either....I saw that too about them being committed to Gay, and if so, Gay could convince RR to commit