Robert Williams (Merged Threads)

[Eddie20]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bigs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

[Sophomore]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

Thanks for posting. I'd forgotten how forcefully he could dunk the ball to finish a play - after a spin or a drive, over outstretched hands in a crowd.  Sudden, strong. He sometimes looked like a finesse player next to the Mahorns and bully-ball specialists, but he was more than capable.

TP.

[Sophomore]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bugs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

I'm hoping for Marcus Camby, but yeah, who knows?

[Eddie20]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bugs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

I'm hoping for Marcus Camby, but yeah, who knows?

I wish, but he was also a top 5 pick (I think he went 4 but I'm going off memory).
Edit: I was wrong he went #2

I'm talking about athletic bigs with low skill sets drafted in the 20s. I can think of Capela, Deandre, and Gobert, but not many others. What makes it harder for Williams is that he's undersized and lacks the size of a Gobert or the body of a Deandre, so closer comparables make the odds even longer.

[JBcat]

 Bob Williams is the defensive 🐐. We all should be pumped beyond words we have potentially the missing piece to this team. He's got a 20% bust chance no doubt.

 If we focus on what he can do it's incredible. The Celtics haven't had a guy with this body, size, and athleticism combination since Bill Russell.

 Seriously. You just don't see these guys 6'10" range that are world class run and jump athlete's. Russell was listed at 220 pounds. Williams listed at 238 pounds. Russell was more ripped and in better shape. Williams 7'6" wingspan I'm sure Russell was very similar to that. Just checked it says Russell was 7'4" that sounds right to me.

 You true old time Celtic fans can enlighten me if there has been any other Celtic that fits this physical profile but here are some big men that do not remind me of either Bob or Bill.

 Tony battie, Marc Blount, Oervis Ellison, Marc Blount, Robert Parish, great but not an athlete, Potopenko

 And I just remembered Garrett who although fits the bill we got him at the end. Shame we got KG so late because that's the type of athlete we need at almost 7 feet.

2 things.

1. If a #27 pick doesn't work out, that isn't being a bust. That's pretty normal for picks that late in the first round

2. Robert Parish was an incredible athlete.

 Guess what parishes Vertical jump was

Can we stop calling Robert Bob? Lol just saying as I know how people can get when it’s not really his name.

Robert has incredible tools, but so have many others that have failed to make it in the NBA.  Give him some time to see if his talent can translate to the NBA.

[Hoopvortex]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bugs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

I'm hoping for Marcus Camby, but yeah, who knows?

I wish, but he was also a top 5 pick (I think he went 4 but I'm going off memory).
Edit: I was wrong he went #2

I'm talking about athletic bigs with low skill sets drafted in the 20s. I can think of Capela, Deandre, and Gobert, but not many others. What makes it harder for Williams is that he's undersized and lacks the size of a Gobert or the body of a Deandre, so closer comparables make the odds even longer.

DeAndre Jordan   C   6-11   265
Clint Capela   C   6-10   240
Rudy Gobert   C   7-1   245
Marcus Camby   PF/C   6-11   220

Robert Williams is listed at 6-10 241, so you’re right that he’s smaller than Gobert or Jordan, but he’s got 20 pounds on Camby and almost exactly matches Capela.

It’s hard to say how to evaluate how important his draft position is. It appears that the fact of his PAES made teams in front of Boston hesitate, and they would not have been wrong to do that; he might not last long enough to realize whatever potential he’s got. But at #27 maybe that potential outweighs the risk.

As far as skills go, looks to me like he’s got good touch on his jumper but needs to get his mechanics sorted out.  So far he’s a grade-F free throw shooter (or rather, grade-H for hack) . Ainge said they think he can pass, which would help a lot if he’s rolling in the lane for a living.

His laterals and forward acceleration are phenomenal. Looks like he can switch onto guards and protect the rim. Has quicker shoulders than Capela. I think that he can rebound, and if you can match Clint Capela, then you may really have something.

I’m not impressed by his maturity or confidence. Check back in a year on that, since that’s so important for work ethic. Whatever he’s got going for him might not even matter if his knees don’t hold up.

[hwangjini_1]

rather than height, standing reach may be the more important statistic when comparing the players above.

williams = 9'4"
DeAndre Jordan = 8'11"
Clint Capela = 9'2.5"
Rudy Gobert   = 9'7"
Marcus Camby = 9'8"

williams belong in this group. less standing reach than gobert, but more athleticism.

[Ogaju]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?

[Hoopvortex]

rather than height, standing reach may be the more important statistic when comparing the players above.

williams = 9'4"
DeAndre Jordan = 8'11"
Clint Capela = 9'2.5"
Rudy Gobert   = 9'7"
Marcus Camby = 9'8"

williams belong in this group. less standing reach than gobert, but more athleticism.

Point taken. Consider also wingspan, which takes leg length out of the equation. A longer leg is slower to accelerate.

[gouki88]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?

I believe it was Charlotte and Chicago.

[Big333223]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?

After Boston he played small roles for Charlotte and then Chicago and he started his career in Golden State.

EDIT: TP to gouki88

[gouki88]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?

After Boston he played small roles for Charlotte and then Chicago and he started his career in Golden State.

EDIT: TP to gouki88

Back at ya! His longevity was ridiculous, was a starting caliber centre for nearly 20 years and a darn good one at that

[KG Living Legend]

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bigs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

 Eddie I wasn't talking about the NBA, I was talking about Celtics big men.

 And just forget about this he's undersized stuff that just isn't true if Williams is undersized Horford is a shrimp.

 Most important attributes for rim protecting big are. Standing reach Horford 9' which is fine Williams 9'4" Elite.

 Strength Williams has a ways to go but 240 pounds at 20 is solid. And how quick can you get off the ground which again Williams is Elite.


 Tp tho Eddie

[Bobshot]

To comment on a few things being discussed here, I've seen them all play including Bill Russell and Robert Parish.

Russell was about the same size as Robert Williams, and probably had similar jumping ability. He was a world class high jumper at USF when USF had great sports teams. Bill was strictly defensive, and got most of his points on putbacks and dunks. He almost prided himself (he and Shaq used to laugh about it) in his inability to shoot foul shots. It didn't matter on his teams.

Robert Parish, when he came over from Golden State, was quite a pick up by Red in that draft trade which got him McHale, too.  Parish was known as a very good shooter for a center--had a good jump shot around the key. Very good for a big man. 7 feet and bigger than Russell, though he couldn't jump like Bill--but didn't need to. He was never known for his D like Russell, but he held his own, and with Bird and McHale, formed the best frontcourt of that era. He was also a very good free throw shooter. That frontcourt had great chemistry.

Williams is more a Russell than a Parish. In terms of style and tools. But he obviously has a long way to go to come close to Russell in performance. In Danny Ainge's dreams.

[nickagneta]

What I loved about Parish was how tough he was. Of course there is the story when Michael Jordan threatened to kick Chief's ass and Parish, 42 or so at the time, just stared him down and said "Oh no you won't". MJ backed down real quicker. Then there was the time Parish absolutely decked Laimbeer with like one punch in the playoffs. No one messed with Chief or any of the Big 3.