All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)

[celticsclay]

So what team will trade for Embiid?

Boston for Tatum.

Dunno about that

I agree. Why in the world would we do this? Embid is 4 years older and has an insane injury history including what many think will be chronic tendinitis. Not to mention a well documented history of struggling to stay in shape (which doesn't exactly get easier as you age). This would be a fireable offense for ainge. Only question is was Moranis trolling or actually being serious?

[Donoghus]

The only way in the world that I see Celtics trading Tatum for Embiid is if they somehow think it will or comes to fruition that Jaylen turns into a top 5 player in the league and the front office sees some sort of redundancy/detriment with JB/JT and think Embiid shoring up the frontcourt would offset the loss of wing depth while also putting them in a better place to contend for a title.

Also, that's all predicated on Embiid's health, engagement, & conditioning and whether or not the Celtics would even like his attitude to begin with.

Otherwise, a lot of "what ifs".

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I'll answer my own question. Embiid to the Heat this off-season for Bam, Herro, and Olynyk.

Heat compete for a championship in 2021 with Butler-Dragic-Iggy-Robinson-Embiid-Nunn and a resigned Crowder, Hill and other vets.

Sixers compete for a championship in 2021 with Simmons-Harris-Horford-Richardson-Bam-Herro-Olynyk.

[slamtheking]

I'll answer my own question. Embiid to the Heat this off-season for Bam, Herro, and Olynyk.

Heat compete for a championship in 2021 with Butler-Dragic-Iggy-Robinson-Embiid-Nunn and a resigned Crowder, Hill and other vets.

Sixers compete for a championship in 2021 with Simmons-Harris-Horford-Richardson-Bam-Herro-Olynyk.

that's not a horrible deal for either team.  wouldn't like it improving our competition though. 

[Moranis]

So what team will trade for Embiid?

Boston for Tatum.

Dunno about that

I agree. Why in the world would we do this? Embid is 4 years older and has an insane injury history including what many think will be chronic tendinitis. Not to mention a well documented history of struggling to stay in shape (which doesn't exactly get easier as you age). This would be a fireable offense for ainge. Only question is was Moranis trolling or actually being serious?

Embiid is a top 10 player in this league.  His on court impact has been uber elite every year he has played (even this year, even with a more credible back-up they are 25-14 with him and 9-7 without him).  He plays at the C's weakest position while Tatum plays the deepest.  And this is from a guy that has been all over the Tatum band wagon all season long.  Embiid is quite simply a better player than Tatum.  He is older and more injury prone, but he is also just better. 

Embiid, Bolden for Tatum, Theis, Kanter, Langford, and Poirier (obviously you have to get Theis and Kanter to opt in)

That trade works financially (at least with this year's salaries, I didn't confirm the summer's numbers) and I believe elevates Boston into Milwaukee's class, if not ahead of them, and better fits the Walker/Hayward timeline.   

Call me crazy all you want, but I want to win championships and that is a trade I believe gets Boston into the real championship level class of team that would look something like this

Guards - Walker, Smart, Wanamaker, Waters, Edwards
Wings/Swings - Hayward, Brown, Semi, G. Williams
Bigs - Embiid, R. Williams, Bolden

That is 12 slots, you still have 3 plus the 2 TW that can be used between the MLE (preferably a solid veteran PF), Green, Fall, and the 3 1st round picks (or whatever you trade the 1st round picks for)

[Who]

So what team will trade for Embiid?

Embiid for Ingram, Jaxson Hayes and a bunch of draft picks.

Pelicans

G: Lonzo
G: Holiday
G: Redick
F: Zion
C: Embiid

76ers

G: Ben Simmons
G: Josh Richardson
F: Ingram
F: Tobias Harris
C: Al Horford, Hayes

[ederson]

To me embiid is the second coming of howard

[gouki88]

I just think after Kyrie the C’s are probably done with thin-skinned injury prone stars. Embiid may have already peaked

[Monkhouse]

So what team will trade for Embiid?

Embiid for Ingram, Jaxson Hayes and a bunch of draft picks.

Pelicans

G: Lonzo
G: Holiday
G: Redick
F: Zion
C: Embiid

76ers

G: Ben Simmons
G: Josh Richardson
F: Ingram
F: Tobias Harris
C: Al Horford, Hayes

The spacing on that team for the Pelicans will be absolutely atrocious.

[gouki88]

So what team will trade for Embiid?

Embiid for Ingram, Jaxson Hayes and a bunch of draft picks.

Pelicans

G: Lonzo
G: Holiday
G: Redick
F: Zion
C: Embiid

76ers

G: Ben Simmons
G: Josh Richardson
F: Ingram
F: Tobias Harris
C: Al Horford, Hayes

The spacing on that team for the Pelicans will be absolutely atrocious.

Yeah, plus I think the Pels are pretty happy to wait and see how they look as is. Zion is looking pretty awesome for them - clogging up the paint with Embiid could compromise that

[Who]

So what team will trade for Embiid?

Embiid for Ingram, Jaxson Hayes and a bunch of draft picks.

Pelicans

G: Lonzo
G: Holiday
G: Redick
F: Zion
C: Embiid

76ers

G: Ben Simmons
G: Josh Richardson
F: Ingram
F: Tobias Harris
C: Al Horford, Hayes

The spacing on that team for the Pelicans will be absolutely atrocious.

Yeah, plus I think the Pels are pretty happy to wait and see how they look as is. Zion is looking pretty awesome for them - clogging up the paint with Embiid could compromise that

Yeah, probably so. I was wondering if Zion would develop enough of a 3 ball to make it work ... but probably not worth taking away a good chunk of Zion's post opportunities.

[Fafnir]

Zion is a poor FT shooter, I don't think we can count on him become a three point shooter. (though its not impossible)

[gouki88]

I feel like 40% three point shooting on a smidge over 1 attempt a game is pretty fine for Zion. If he can stay above 30% I think it’s enough to warrant defence.

If he can get his shooting from the line up around 70% watch out.

[#1P4P]

It’s been trendy to devalue Simmons for his lack of shooting especially before Embiid’s recent injury, but both are valued as potential superstars and A-grade trade assets. These are trade scenarios that Philly and the :

Simmons for Murray+Barton+1st
Simmons or Embiid for McCollum+Filler+1sts
Simmons for Hield+Bogdanovic
Simmons for Booker

A Simmons for Beal swap makes sense for Philly, not so much for Washington.

Embiid for Aldridge+Mills+1st(s) (SAS moves on from Derozan in a subsequent trade)
Embiid for Levert+Harris+1st(s)

Letting Reddick go (2nd in the NBA in 3PT% at 46%) to sign Horford does not look good in hindsight. If they don’t come out of the East, the axe will be falling on Brett Brown and they’ll definitely consider moving on from one of these 2.

[celticsclay]

It’s been trendy to devalue Simmons for his lack of shooting especially before Embiid’s recent injury, but both are valued as potential superstars and A-grade trade assets. These are trade scenarios that Philly and the :

Simmons for Murray+Barton+1st
Simmons or Embiid for McCollum+Filler+1sts
Simmons for Hield+Bogdanovic
Simmons for Booker

A Simmons for Beal swap makes sense for Philly, not so much for Washington.

Embiid for Aldridge+Mills+1st(s) (SAS moves on from Derozan in a subsequent trade)
Embiid for Levert+Harris+1st(s)

Letting Reddick go (2nd in the NBA in 3PT% at 46%) to sign Horford does not look good in hindsight. If they don’t come out of the East, the axe will be falling on Brett Brown and they’ll definitely consider moving on from one of these 2.

It has been pretty consistently said by those pretty plugged in around the league that Simmons has significantly higher trade value because many believe that Embid will not have a super long career. Concerns with arthritis and tendinitis.