another Gortat trade IDEA

[Humble G]

I would love for  danny Ainge to try to acquire Dwight Howard, josh smith, cousins etc over Gortat.

So would most fans.  Unfortunately, we don't really have the assets to land a star player, so we need to set our sights a little lower.

I like Gortat.  He's basically a big-bodied double-double guy who plays pretty good defense.  We've been missing a guy like that.

I know, right lol I'd love if Danny could land us Howard or Cousins but what exactly are the Celtics giving up in such a deal?

Lets just get Rose, Durant, or Westbrook while we are at it no?

Love this deal. TP for the OP. one of the better more realistic deals I have seen on this blog in a heck of a long time. Works for each team, gives us what we need and allows us to contend next year. The one thing I dislike is that Terry would be the starting shooting guard. I would rather have him coming off the bench and insert a better defensive SG into the starting lineup.

I think i may start shannon brown with barbosa and terry coming in to help. If green keeps developing his D, he can gaurd the lebrons and Melos, and with KG and Gortat down low, opposing teams are gonna have to beat us with jumpers, those two should defend the rim well IMO

a line up of:  BIG lineup
Rondo     or    Rondo
Brown           Pierce
Pierce          Green
KG              KG
Gortat          Gortat

would be nice with Sully, bass, Terry barbosa, Ledo(or a backup pg ie: Siva) off the bench

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ov5nlpv

suns send: Gortat, shannon brown and #5 & 30 pick
receive: wesley matthews, bradley, Fab, #10 and #16 picks

Portland sends: Matthews and # 10 pick
gets: Courtney Lee and #5 pick(they want olidipo)
http://fansided.com/2013/05/19/nba-draft-2013-portland-trailblazers-looking-to-move-up-to-take-victor-oladipo/

Celtics send: bradley, lee, Melo, #16 pick
Get: Gortat and Shannon brown, # 30 pick

Suns would be the team losing the most and a possible veto but they get 2 very nice guards and a raw project C(1st rounder from a year ago) and still have a top 10 pick and a # 16 pick.

BOS:

rondo/brown/barbosa
terry/draft Ledo #30 pick/crawford
pierce/green
KG/Bass/Sully
Gortat/KG/shav

plus 2 open spots

Very nice trade. that keeps the band together for one more shot. I know a couple people are downing it. But this is some thing that could happen very easily. Smith,Big AL, Howard, would take a ton of work and moving bodies to get done.

I'd be a little worried about the SG position, Terry and Barbosa( if he's healthy) is a little weak. Maybe if Williams troubles are just an ex saying crap then I'd be fine with him being the back up SG/PG/SF. Brown could play some of those minutes, but I'd like him better backing up Rondo, just because he gives us a little more fire power off the bench.

Rondo/Brown/Barbosa
Terry/Williams/Crawford
Green/PP
KG/Bass/
Gortat/Sully/Shav

Still have the pick to place, could use it on a PG that could ease in. Williams keeps the 1 threw 3 spots solid. Wouldn't mind moving Bass and Crawford for either more solid shooting guard, or PF with a little more length. That way you could play him and Sully and not lose to much size.

[Humble G]

The more I think aboutit the more i like this trade, its almost ideal.....run it back, contend and let  pierce's contract expire, and KG can retire on top! Then we can try getting a few free agents in 2014 to add to our core of rondo,sully and green.....we will keep gortat, throw in a 3D wing player(maybe we draft him this year) and draft well next year and we are in like flynn 

[green7]

this worked in 2k13 for me lol


bass,lee,crawford,

for

gortat,marshall,frye

 wish this was possible

[syfy9]

3. Cousins is a center, which is good.  He's not on a max contract, which is good.  He cannot pay defense to save his life, which is bad. It's shoots a horrendous percentage from the field for a center, which is bad. He has a destructive attitude, which is bad. I'd take a risk on his for potential alone, but he's a big gamble.  Like both of the above guys it would take a massive pile of talent sent out in order to bring him in, and even if his potential never comes out (or his attitude sees him out of the league, Arenas style) we've just given up half our roster for nothing.

Cousins led the league in charges taken in the 2011-2012 season. He moves his feet very well for someone his size.

1.4 spg as a center is also really good. In 2011-2012, he was just one of six players who averaged more than 1 spg and 1 bpg.

On the contrary, DeMarcus Cousins happens to be one of the best defenders the NBA has to offer. He can contain any opponent from a stretch 4 to a bruising 5, utilizing his overwhelming strength and deceptive quickness to contain either breed of opponent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB9V2VN2sME

Honestly, I really hope you don't bet against Cousins that he "can't defend to save his life". You would lose if you did.

[crimson_stallion]

Yeah, I agree. Getting Howard, Smith or Cousins is a pipe-dream, with the assets the C's have it's not going to happen.

Gortat and Dalembert are the two centers I think the C's should go after. Dalembert will be a UFA, so a sign and trade with the Bucks would have to be worked out (Bass or Lee and Bradley?). Gortat could be acquired in trade (same cast of characters as above). Dalembert for defense/rebounding or Gortat for offense/rebounding. Either would work with KG and Sully.

I would definately go for Gortat over Dalembert if either is available - no brainer for me.  Gortat is a far superior player and is on a pretty reasonable contract.

A starting caliber SG and all-NBA defender, plus the #16 pick, and a project center with potential is WAY too high a price to pay for Gortat.

A borderline starting calibre SG, a mediocre pick in a poor draft and a center who could easilly become the next Ryan Hollins...for a legit big man who can give us a nightly double-double, a legit shot blocker and a consistent offensive threat. 

I'll take that trade.

I could stomach Gorhead Giant for a while long as GREEN and SULLY stay put......losing either of them for the BIG TOT is a step backwards.

Absolutely.  Trading either Sully or Green is out of the question for me unless we were getting a bonafide All-Star in return. 

3. Cousins is a center, which is good.  He's not on a max contract, which is good.  He cannot pay defense to save his life, which is bad. It's shoots a horrendous percentage from the field for a center, which is bad. He has a destructive attitude, which is bad. I'd take a risk on his for potential alone, but he's a big gamble.  Like both of the above guys it would take a massive pile of talent sent out in order to bring him in, and even if his potential never comes out (or his attitude sees him out of the league, Arenas style) we've just given up half our roster for nothing.

Cousins led the league in charges taken in the 2011-2012 season. He moves his feet very well for someone his size.

1.4 spg as a center is also really good. In 2011-2012, he was just one of six players who averaged more than 1 spg and 1 bpg.

On the contrary, DeMarcus Cousins happens to be one of the best defenders the NBA has to offer. He can contain any opponent from a stretch 4 to a bruising 5, utilizing his overwhelming strength and deceptive quickness to contain either breed of opponent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB9V2VN2sME

Honestly, I really hope you don't bet against Cousins that he "can't defend to save his life". You would lose if you did.
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1. He's not on a Max contract - but when his current one runs out, if he comes even close to his potential, he certainly will be. That means even if he DOES develop into the All-Star, we probably won't be able to keep him. 

2. 1 BPG is hardly impressive for a near 7 foot big man.  KG is averaging that now at 37 years of age.  I think D Wade is averaging not far off that at 6'4".

3. From all I've seen from Cousins he looks SLOW.  Kendrick Perkins slow.  He's big and strong sure, and he has nice footwork, but I've not seen any indications of him having athleticism any more impressive then what KG has now at 37 years of age.

4. Last I checked his advanced stats he was statistically one of the worst defensive big men in the league in terms of ponits allowed.  You could argue this is brought down by the fact that he's on a bad team...but even compared to other Kings players his defensive stars are in the lower half of the roster.  That's pretty [dang] bad.

At 6'10" he doesn't have extreme height for the center spot, and from what I've seen he doesn't have extreme athleticism either.  He's got some rare talents for a big (good passer, good ball handler, good footwork) but he also has some rare weaknesses for a big (poor FG%, very high turnover rate). 

If you could get Cousins relatively cheap (i.e. give up the same we'd give up for Gortat) then by all means, I would be thrilled to get him.  But if we have to give up a lot of young talent (Bradley + Sullinger + 1st round pick) or multiple key players (Sullinger, Green) to get him then it's probably not worth that risk.

Gortat on the other hand could possibly be had for a very fair cost - Bradley, Lee and a pick might do it. I'll take that any day. 

[ManUp]

Yeah, I agree. Getting Howard, Smith or Cousins is a pipe-dream, with the assets the C's have it's not going to happen.

Gortat and Dalembert are the two centers I think the C's should go after. Dalembert will be a UFA, so a sign and trade with the Bucks would have to be worked out (Bass or Lee and Bradley?). Gortat could be acquired in trade (same cast of characters as above). Dalembert for defense/rebounding or Gortat for offense/rebounding. Either would work with KG and Sully.

I would definately go for Gortat over Dalembert if either is available - no brainer for me.  Gortat is a far superior player and is on a pretty reasonable contract.

A starting caliber SG and all-NBA defender, plus the #16 pick, and a project center with potential is WAY too high a price to pay for Gortat.

A borderline starting calibre SG, a mediocre pick in a poor draft and a center who could easilly become the next Ryan Hollins...for a legit big man who can give us a nightly double-double, a legit shot blocker and a consistent offensive threat. 

I'll take that trade.

I could stomach Gorhead Giant for a while long as GREEN and SULLY stay put......losing either of them for the BIG TOT is a step backwards.

Absolutely.  Trading either Sully or Green is out of the question for me unless we were getting a bonafide All-Star in return. 

3. Cousins is a center, which is good.  He's not on a max contract, which is good.  He cannot pay defense to save his life, which is bad. It's shoots a horrendous percentage from the field for a center, which is bad. He has a destructive attitude, which is bad. I'd take a risk on his for potential alone, but he's a big gamble.  Like both of the above guys it would take a massive pile of talent sent out in order to bring him in, and even if his potential never comes out (or his attitude sees him out of the league, Arenas style) we've just given up half our roster for nothing.

Cousins led the league in charges taken in the 2011-2012 season. He moves his feet very well for someone his size.

1.4 spg as a center is also really good. In 2011-2012, he was just one of six players who averaged more than 1 spg and 1 bpg.

On the contrary, DeMarcus Cousins happens to be one of the best defenders the NBA has to offer. He can contain any opponent from a stretch 4 to a bruising 5, utilizing his overwhelming strength and deceptive quickness to contain either breed of opponent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB9V2VN2sME

Honestly, I really hope you don't bet against Cousins that he "can't defend to save his life". You would lose if you did.

1. He's not on a Max contract - but when his current one runs out, if he comes even close to his potential, he certainly will be. That means even if he DOES develop into the All-Star, we probably won't be able to keep him. 

2. 1 BPG is hardly impressive for a near 7 foot big man.  KG is averaging that now at 37 years of age.  I think D Wade is averaging not far off that at 6'4".

3. From all I've seen from Cousins he looks SLOW.  Kendrick Perkins slow.  He's big and strong sure, and he has nice footwork, but I've not seen any indications of him having athleticism any more impressive then what KG has now at 37 years of age.

4. Last I checked his advanced stats he was statistically one of the worst defensive big men in the league in terms of ponits allowed.  You could argue this is brought down by the fact that he's on a bad team...but even compared to other Kings players his defensive stars are in the lower half of the roster.  That's pretty [dang] bad.

At 6'10" he doesn't have extreme height for the center spot, and from what I've seen he doesn't have extreme athleticism either.  He's got some rare talents for a big (good passer, good ball handler, good footwork) but he also has some rare weaknesses for a big (poor FG%, very high turnover rate). 

If you could get Cousins relatively cheap (i.e. give up the same we'd give up for Gortat) then by all means, I would be thrilled to get him.  But if we have to give up a lot of young talent (Bradley + Sullinger + 1st round pick) or multiple key players (Sullinger, Green) to get him then it's probably not worth that risk.

Gortat on the other hand could possibly be had for a very fair cost - Bradley, Lee and a pick might do it. I'll take that any day.
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I'd put Cousins right in the middle of a Perkins and Howard in terms of speed. He's far from slow, but he's also not the fastest guy. What's special about Cousins is his agility, something most bigs his size don't have. He's got great side to side quickness, good change of direction, and smooth athleticism as far as jumping (meaning he doesn't wind up like a Perk or Howard).

It's true that Cousins is a poor defender, but it's not because of lack of ability it's because of a lack of effort. The guy's game is a moody as he is. Some days he wants to dominate some days he looks like he couldn't care less. He's like a crazier version of Sheed that way. I think one day he's going to figure it out and be the type of player that helps carry a team really far. The problem is I think he's going to go through some teams and burn some bridges before he gets to that point.

Cousins is worth the risk if you think Doc could harness that craziness into something positive. The problem is for a guy like Cousins things might have to get worse before they get better. Honestly, Rasheed in Portland just keeps coming to mind when I think of Cousins.

[goCeltics]

i think targeting gortat and scola is the c's best move, suns need to rebuid so my proposal is bass+bradley+16th pick for gortat/scola and the 30th. Allows the suns to really suck next year and get some young assets, bradley and the 16th pick. Think the suns would be more amendable to bass crappy contract as it shorter over lee. The move after this would be to resing paul to the MLE to save wyc some seroius $$$, 10 to 15 mill.