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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: nickagneta on August 08, 2018, 12:10:27 PM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24303221/nba-first-all-star-predictions-espn-summer-forecast
Tatum chosen as 4th most likely to be voted a 1st time All-Star with 83.3% of vote.
Brown chosen as 6th most likely with 55.6% of vote.
Top 6 players
1. Simmons
2. Mitchell
3. Jokic
4. Tatum
5. Gobert
6. Brown
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2nd and 3rd likeliest in the EC. :D
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All are good candidates.
I'm surprised that Gobert hasn't made it yet. The lack of a "center" category any more has probably hurt him. You don't see many guys who have made the All-NBA Second Team and who were selected DPOY left off of all-star teams.
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I would appreciate this a lot more of it didn’t come from ESPN.
Alas, pretty impressive to see a 20- and 21-year-old from the same team (that already features three all-stars) on a list like that.
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If one of Horford, Kyrie or Hayward struggle for whatever reason I could see Tatum or Brown being voted an all-star. Realistically I think Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward will probably be all-stars and I don't think they will give the C's 4 all-stars.
Simmons and Mitchell are probably locks. One of Gobert and Jokic will make it.
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All are good candidates.
I'm surprised that Gobert hasn't made it yet. The lack of a "center" category any more has probably hurt him. You don't see many guys who have made the All-NBA Second Team and who were selected DPOY left off of all-star teams.
I think a poorly timed injury killed Gobert’s chances last year. When reserves were being decided, he had missed 26 of the prior 32 games.
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I have a feeling the C's are going to send 3 players to the all star game and Brown and Tatum will be left out. It's nice to see them on the national radar, though.
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I think Irving, Horford, and Tatum are virtual locks. Tatum made too much of a name for himself during the playoffs last season. I'm not sure if Hayward will be firing on all cylinders early in the season, which might effect his overall numbers, and hurt his chances of making the All Star team. I have a hard time seeing any non-Golden State team getting 4-5 players on the team, which would hurt Brown the most. If the Celtics have a fourth All Star, it will most likely be Hayward.
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Whut? !!!
No Nader ? :angel:
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be cool if both made it
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Gobert being DPOY while missing all those games, and Kyrie not making all nba while missing fewer was absurd.
IMO, Jokic should have already been an all star. A # of less deserving players made it ahead of him last year.
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I think Irving, Horford, and Tatum are virtual locks. Tatum made too much of a name for himself during the playoffs last season. I'm not sure if Hayward will be firing on all cylinders early in the season, which might effect his overall numbers, and hurt his chances of making the All Star team. I have a hard time seeing any non-Golden State team getting 4-5 players on the team, which would hurt Brown the most. If the Celtics have a fourth All Star, it will most likely be Hayward.
Yeah, I love Tatum but calling him a virtual lock is getting carried away. Hayward gets in before he does IMO.
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I think Irving, Horford, and Tatum are virtual locks. Tatum made too much of a name for himself during the playoffs last season. I'm not sure if Hayward will be firing on all cylinders early in the season, which might effect his overall numbers, and hurt his chances of making the All Star team. I have a hard time seeing any non-Golden State team getting 4-5 players on the team, which would hurt Brown the most. If the Celtics have a fourth All Star, it will most likely be Hayward.
Tatum is far from a lock. Many young players don't get in the first year they should have because they aren't perceived as having paid their dues.
Plus, Tatum is very unlikely to get 20/game with all our depth. Hard for a guy scoring 15 or so a night to get the recognition.
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I can't really think right now of the Tatum and Brown's competition in the Eastern Conference but I do think both have a decent shot. Hayward may recover slowly and even if he doesnt they are going to want to bring him along slowly until we are sure he is ok.
That will give both Brown and Tatum a chance to shine. Really I think this is the year that Brown goes off. He has all the tools and should put it all together this year. I am not sure that Tatum doesnt already have it all together, the guy is a stud!
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I think the C's have four All Stars in this years game:
Irving, Horford, Hayward, Tatum.
Brown has a chance to be in there instead of Tatum but I expect Tatum to get more recognition.
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Our starting lineup will be All-Stars! 8)
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Rather than all stars, could the Celtics have top 6 players by position at all positions?
Kyrie (3rd-5th behind Curry, Harden, maybe Westbrook, maybe 1 of CP3 / Lillard)
Jaylen (6th behind Oladipo, Beal, Klay, Mitchell, Devin Booker)
Hayward (6th behind LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, PG13)
Tatum (6th behind AD, Giannis, KP, Love, maybe Draymond)
Horford (3rd-5th behind Embiid, Gobert, maybe KAT or Jokic)
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If one of Horford, Kyrie or Hayward struggle for whatever reason I could see Tatum or Brown being voted an all-star. Realistically I think Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward will probably be all-stars and I don't think they will give the C's 4 all-stars.
Simmons and Mitchell are probably locks. One of Gobert and Jokic will make it.
I'd be surprised if Horford makes another all-star game.
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Rather than all stars, could the Celtics have top 6 players by position at all positions?
Kyrie (3rd-5th behind Curry, Harden, maybe Westbrook, maybe 1 of CP3 / Lillard)
Jaylen (6th behind Oladipo, Beal, Klay, Mitchell, Devin Booker)
Hayward (6th behind LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, PG13)
Tatum (6th behind AD, Giannis, KP, Love, maybe Draymond)
Horford (3rd-5th behind Embiid, Gobert, maybe KAT or Jokic)
Tatum > Love
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If one of Horford, Kyrie or Hayward struggle for whatever reason I could see Tatum or Brown being voted an all-star. Realistically I think Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward will probably be all-stars and I don't think they will give the C's 4 all-stars.
Simmons and Mitchell are probably locks. One of Gobert and Jokic will make it.
I'd be surprised if Horford makes another all-star game.
Yeah, I think Hayward is the obvious choice of the incumbents to not make the all star game if he has a slow start after the injury, but Horford is the sleeper.
I think there’s a chance, albeit a small one, that Kyrie and Tatum are our top 2 all stars and our 3rd (if we have one) is a wildcard. Could even be Jaylen.
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Rather than all stars, could the Celtics have top 6 players by position at all positions?
Kyrie (3rd-5th behind Curry, Harden, maybe Westbrook, maybe 1 of CP3 / Lillard)
Jaylen (6th behind Oladipo, Beal, Klay, Mitchell, Devin Booker)
Hayward (6th behind LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, PG13)
Tatum (6th behind AD, Giannis, KP, Love, maybe Draymond)
Horford (3rd-5th behind Embiid, Gobert, maybe KAT or Jokic)
Harden should be another SG ahead of Jaylen not a PG. DeRozan is certainly ahead of Jaylen. I'd also put McCollum, Middleton and Holiday ahead of Jaylen too. Aldridge would need to be in the discussion at PF or C.
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This might be heresy here, but I think Jaylen will have a better year than Tatum this year, mostly because I think Jaylen could end up on an NBA All Defense team besides increasing his scoring and efficiency.
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Rather than all stars, could the Celtics have top 6 players by position at all positions?
Kyrie (3rd-5th behind Curry, Harden, maybe Westbrook, maybe 1 of CP3 / Lillard)
Jaylen (6th behind Oladipo, Beal, Klay, Mitchell, Devin Booker)
Hayward (6th behind LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, PG13)
Tatum (6th behind AD, Giannis, KP, Love, maybe Draymond)
Horford (3rd-5th behind Embiid, Gobert, maybe KAT or Jokic)
Harden should be another SG ahead of Jaylen not a PG. DeRozan is certainly ahead of Jaylen. I'd also put McCollum, Middleton and Holiday ahead of Jaylen too. Aldridge would need to be in the discussion at PF or C.
Blake Griffin is still probably ahead of JT too. If KP is listed then DMC should be as well.
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Rather than all stars, could the Celtics have top 6 players by position at all positions?
Kyrie (3rd-5th behind Curry, Harden, maybe Westbrook, maybe 1 of CP3 / Lillard)
Jaylen (6th behind Oladipo, Beal, Klay, Mitchell, Devin Booker)
Hayward (6th behind LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, PG13)
Tatum (6th behind AD, Giannis, KP, Love, maybe Draymond)
Horford (3rd-5th behind Embiid, Gobert, maybe KAT or Jokic)
Harden should be another SG ahead of Jaylen not a PG. DeRozan is certainly ahead of Jaylen. I'd also put McCollum, Middleton and Holiday ahead of Jaylen too. Aldridge would need to be in the discussion at PF or C.
Blake Griffin is still probably ahead of JT too. If KP is listed then DMC should be as well.
Yeah, I did that list from memory so there were misses. I deliberately left off McCollum and even DeRozan at SG too.
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If one of Horford, Kyrie or Hayward struggle for whatever reason I could see Tatum or Brown being voted an all-star. Realistically I think Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward will probably be all-stars and I don't think they will give the C's 4 all-stars.
Simmons and Mitchell are probably locks. One of Gobert and Jokic will make it.
I'd be surprised if Horford makes another all-star game.
I wouldn't be too surprised. Remember the 2015 All-Star game, where the Hawks sent 4 players to the ASG - including Kyle Korver - because of their winning record? I could see the same for the C's. If we're lighting the league up, I could see Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, and Tatum or Brown in there.
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If one of Horford, Kyrie or Hayward struggle for whatever reason I could see Tatum or Brown being voted an all-star. Realistically I think Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward will probably be all-stars and I don't think they will give the C's 4 all-stars.
Simmons and Mitchell are probably locks. One of Gobert and Jokic will make it.
I'd be surprised if Horford makes another all-star game.
Me, too. Not only is Hayward back, but Tatum and Brown should absolutely be getting more touches. I love Horford and realize counting stats don't begin to tell the story with him, but with decreasing scoring and rebounding numbers and with four other guys on our team at or near star level, Horford looks primed to be the best 'role player' in the league.
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This might be heresy here, but I think Jaylen will have a better year than Tatum this year, mostly because I think Jaylen could end up on an NBA All Defense team besides increasing his scoring and efficiency.
I believe this as well. Heck most people (esp non-Cs fans) thought Tatum had a better year than Brown. This could be because of several factors:
1) Defense is often overlooked, esp when seen by opposing team's fans.
2) Jaylen missed some time in the playoffs due to injury.
3) Fans saw more of Tatum's bright spots in the playoffs, mostly because of #2, and the Sixers and Cavs series were viewed more than the Cs-Bucks.
4) Jaylen had a horrible last playoff game.
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If one of Horford, Kyrie or Hayward struggle for whatever reason I could see Tatum or Brown being voted an all-star. Realistically I think Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward will probably be all-stars and I don't think they will give the C's 4 all-stars.
Simmons and Mitchell are probably locks. One of Gobert and Jokic will make it.
I'd be surprised if Horford makes another all-star game.
Me, too. Not only is Hayward back, but Tatum and Brown should absolutely be getting more touches. I love Horford and realize counting stats don't begin to tell the story with him, but with decreasing scoring and rebounding numbers and with four other guys on our team at or near star level, Horford looks primed to be the best 'role player' in the league.
You'd be surprised? I can understand thinking Horford won't make anymore all star games (he's always been a borderline all star) but saying you'd be surprised if he did goes a little far.
He's still the only reliable scorer the team has inside, while also being able to shoot from outside, is a great defender and might be the team's best playmaker. Given his position and age (32 is not that old in today's NBA) I don't see his numbers going down much this season and if the C's are winning more than 70% of their games he'll have more favor with the coaches than the youngsters will.
I won't be surprised if he never makes another but I certainly won't be surprised if he makes it this season.
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This might be heresy here, but I think Jaylen will have a better year than Tatum this year, mostly because I think Jaylen could end up on an NBA All Defense team besides increasing his scoring and efficiency.
I was thinking the same thing. Brown is ready to go off given the chance.
I also wouldnt be surprised to see Smart as an All star picked by the coach. He definitely has to be considered a candidate for the All NBA defensive team as well. Of course he has to play well enough to earn it but I think he will.
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If the C's are on a 60 win pace by the break they will have 4 all stars, but I actually believe it will be Big Al who will be the odd man out. With the offensive emergence and continued growth of Tatum and Brown, he's going to have the least "sexy" numbers. He'll be the one making the most personal sacrifices for the offense.
So I'm gonna go with Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum.
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If the C's are on a 60 win pace by the break they will have 4 all stars, but I actually believe it will be Big Al who will be the odd man out. With the offensive emergence and continued growth of Tatum and Brown, he's going to have the least "sexy" numbers. He'll be the one making the most personal sacrifices for the offense.
So I'm gonna go with Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum.
Given his reputation and his age I think Hoford would be an easy choice for coaches who like that he plays "the right way" and know he doesn't have as many years as Brown and Tatum to make the team.
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If the C's are on a 60 win pace by the break they will have 4 all stars, but I actually believe it will be Big Al who will be the odd man out. With the offensive emergence and continued growth of Tatum and Brown, he's going to have the least "sexy" numbers. He'll be the one making the most personal sacrifices for the offense.
So I'm gonna go with Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum.
Given his reputation and his age I think Hoford would be an easy choice for coaches who like that he plays "the right way" and know he doesn't have as many years as Brown and Tatum to make the team.
yeah barring injury I can't see any way Horford isn't an all star if the Celtics end up with 4 of them
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I don't see Brown making an All-Star game next year. Because of the way they have to fit into two categories guards and bigs, I can't see Brown beating out a bunch of other Eastern Conference guards.
Kyrie
Lowry
Wall
Beal
Oladipo
Walker
Simmons
All those guards will have better numbers than Brown.
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I don't see Brown making an All-Star game next year. Because of the way they have to fit into two categories guards and bigs, I can't see Brown beating out a bunch of other Eastern Conference guards.
Kyrie
Lowry
Wall
Beal
Oladipo
Walker
Simmons
Walker
All those guards will have better numbers than Brown.
Hey now...
But yeah, Brown has some seriously stiff competition. Not to mention reigning (if somewhat mystifying) All-Star Goran Dragic.
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I don't see Brown making an All-Star game next year. Because of the way they have to fit into two categories guards and bigs, I can't see Brown beating out a bunch of other Eastern Conference guards.
Kyrie
Lowry
Wall
Beal
Oladipo
Walker
Simmons
Walker
All those guards will have better numbers than Brown.
Hey now...
But yeah, Brown has some seriously stiff competition. Not to mention reigning (if somewhat mystifying) All-Star Goran Dragic.
Oops.
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What is this, a popularity contest (ESPN voting) for a popularity contest (all star selections)?