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Celtics (5-3) at Knicks (4-4) Game#9 11/5/22
« on: November 04, 2022, 10:50:42 PM »

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Boston Celtics (5-3) at New York Knicks (4-4)
Saturday,  November 5, 2022
7:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #9 – Road Game #5
TV: NBA-TV, NBCSB, MSG
Radio: WROR, WEPN
Madison Square Garden




Probable Starters
 
PG: Marcus Smart     ...................................... SG: Derrick White


C:  Al Horford


SF:  Jaylen Brown   ............................................ PF: Jayson Tatum

Celtics Reserves
Malcolm Brogdon
Grant Williams
Sam Hauser
Payton Pritchard
Luke Kornet
Blake Griffin
Justin Jackson
Noah Vonleh

2 Way Players
JD Davison
Mfiondu Kabengele

Out/Injuries
Danilo Gallinari  (ACL)  out
Robert Williams III (knee) out

Head Coach (Interim)
Joe Mazzulla




Probable Knicks Starters
   
PG:  Jalen Brunson ....................................................... SG:  RJ Barrett

C:  Isaiah Hartenstein

SF:  Evan Fournier  ........................................................ PF:  Julius Randle 

Knicks Reserves
Ryan Arcidiacono
Quentin Grimes
Miles McBride
Svi Mykhailiuk
Immanuel Quickley
Cam Reddish
Derrick Rose
Jericho Sims
Obi Toppin

2 Way Players
Feron Hunt
Trevor Keels

Out/Injuries
Mitchell Robinson (knee) questionable

Head Coach
Tom Thibodeau

Game Notes
The Celtics travel to New York to take on the Knicks in the first of four meetings this season.   They will meet again at Madison Square Garden on March 1.  They will meet twice in Boston, the first will be on on January 26 and then,  again on February 27.   They tied the series 2-2 last season with each team winning twice on their home court.   

Both teams are playing on the second night of back to back games.   The Knicks beat a 76ers team with out Embiid and Harden by 2 in Philadelphia on Friday night and the Celtics beat the Bulls at home by 4 points.  This is the first back to back set for the Knicks.  The Celtics are playing in their second back to back set.  They won both halves of their first back to back during their 3 game win streak to start the season. 

The Celtics are 299-186 overall all time against the Knicks.  They are 137-120 all time in games played on the road in New York.   The Celtics have lost their last 3 games played at Madison Square Garden.  The Celtics are 2-2 on the road so far and 2-1 at home.  The Knicks are 3-1 at home and 0-3 on the road.    The Celtics are looking to win their second straight game.   The Knicks had lost their last 3 games before winning on Friday night.   

The Celtics remain without Robert Williams III who is still rehabbing from the surgery he had before the season.  The prognosis was that he would return in 6-8 weeks and November 4 was 6 weeks since the surgery.  They will likely be conservative with his return so I would expect it to be closer to the 8 week estimate.  Also out is Danilo Gallinari, who will miss the entire season with an ACL tear.  Marcus Smart landed on his hand in the 4th quarter on Friday and was holding his arm afterwards.  Hopefully he will be good to go for this game. 

For New York, Mitchell Robinson felt some knee soreness to start Friday's game against the 76ers.  He played just 12 minutes and finished with two rebounds before sitting for the rest of the game.  Isaiah Hartenstein started the second half in his place.  Since they are playing back to back games, I'm guessing that Robinson will miss this game as well.  He is questionable and his status will be a game time decision. 

Key Matchups
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Marcus Smart vs Jalen Brunson
Brunson came over to the Knicks from the Mavericks this off season and has fit very well in his role for the Knicks.  He is averaging 18.4 points, 3.7 rebounds, 6.9 assists and 1.1 steals per game.  He is shooting 48.1% from the field and 32.1% from beyond the arc. 

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Derrick White vs RJ Barrett
Barrett is capable of having a big game if not defended well.  He is averaging 17.9 points, 5.1 rebounds and 2.6 assists per game.  He is shooting 40.7% from the field and 23.7% from beyond the arc.  Even through he is shooting just under 24% on 3's the Celtics still can't back off of him on the perimeter because Barrett can hit those shots if left open. 

Honorable Mention

Jayson Tatum vs Julius Randle
Randle is averaging 17.7 points, 8.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.1 steals per game.  He is shooting 42.6% from the fiels but just 20.7% from beyond the arc.  The Celtics need to keep him out of the paint because he can do the most damage there on the boards and inside scoring. 

Keys to the Game
Defense - Playing tough team defense is the key to winning every game. The Celtics need to concentrate on getting stops and keeping the Knicks' offense off balance.  The Knicks have a defensive rating of 111.3 (15th), which is surprising for a Tom Thibodeau coached team.  On the other hand,  the Celtics have a defensive rating of 112.8 (19th), which is also surprising for a team that had the #1 defense last season.  The Celtics have shown they are capable of playing very good defense but they need to be consistent and commit to it every quarter of every game. The Celtics must especially guard the paint as the Knicks are first in the league with 59.4 points in the paint per game. 

Rebound - The Celtics are averaging 42.0 rebounds per game (26th) while the Knicks are averaging 50.1 rebounds per game (2nd).  Rebounding is important to keep the Knicks from getting second chance points and extra possessions since the Knicks are 2nd in the league with 17.6 second chance points per game.   Much of rebounding is effort and desire as evidenced by players like Payton Pritchard getting offensive rebounds when surrounded by much taller players.  When the Celtics put out extra effort on the boards it usually transfers to the rest of their game.  So far this season,  we haven't seen that extra effort on the boards very often.

Be Aggressive - The Celtics need to be the more aggressive team. They have to be more aggressive in going after loose balls, in grabbing rebounds, in defending, and in going to the basket.  They have to be the team that wants it more.  They need to hustle and be aggressive for 48 minutes every game.  They can win a lot of games by playing harder than their opponents and they can lose a lot of games by allowing their opponents to be the team that plays harder. 

Play Hard 48 Minutes - At times the Celtics have come out slowly and allowed their opponent to build a big first quarter lead.  At other times the Celtics have built a lead and then stopped playing hard and allowed their opponent to come back and surge ahead.  The Celtics have had a double digit lead in all 3 of their losses so far and then took their foot off the gas.   Other times, they play their opponent even up until the final minutes and then can't seem to close out.  They have to start strong and play hard throughout the game right up until the final buzzer. 

X-Factors
Back to Back on the Road - Both teams are playing in the second of back to back games.  They are also playing in the 3rd game in 4 nights.  There could be some fatigue down the stretch.  They need to overcome the distractions of playing on the road and in front of a hostile crowd and stay focused on playing the right way.  The teams' depth could be a factor in this one. 

Officiating - Officiating always has the potential to be an x-factor.   Each officiating crew calls the game differently.  The Celtics struggle more when refs call every little ticky tack foul.  Hopefully they call it evenly and let both teams play. The refs seem to be worse than usual this season and the Celtics need to adjust to how the refs are calling the game and not allow bad calls or no calls to take away their focus from playing the game.

Re: Celtics (5-3) at Knicks (4-4) Game#9 11/5/22
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Re: Celtics (5-3) at Knicks (4-4) Game#9 11/5/22
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Let’s go! I hope JT and JB play even if its a B2B. Maybe Smart gets the day off to let his wrist heal up. Al logged in 33 minutes so I’m not sure how Joe will settle that.

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Ready for NY.  Let's go Cs and make it two in a row.
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Let's go Celtics, build momentum and confidence from a winning run. TP FL Celts Fan for another excellent game day thread.

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Is Al playing? I thought the plan was to sit him on the second night of back to back games.
Guess they would have to have another big that could play

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TP for another great thread FL.  let's keep rolling.  Knicks should be a win

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So apparently Al is out tonight. I didn’t think they were playing him in back to back games.

Hopefully Luke has a second night when he’s not awful. Guessing they go with a small second unit. They really need another big

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So apparently Al is out tonight. I didn’t think they were playing him in back to back games.

Hopefully Luke has a second night when he’s not awful. Guessing they go with a small second unit. They really need another big

I thought Luke played well against the Bulls....14 min., 4 pts, 3 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 2 blks, 0 TOs and +17. 
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So apparently Al is out tonight. I didn’t think they were playing him in back to back games.

Hopefully Luke has a second night when he’s not awful. Guessing they go with a small second unit. They really need another big

I thought Luke played well against the Bulls....14 min., 4 pts, 3 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 2 blks, 0 TOs and +17.

Luke was quickly written off after his initial five minute stint in his return from injury.  Premature conclusion - as is often the case here. That doesn’t mean the conclusion was wrong -, just too quick. I definitely think it’s possible for him to have an acceptable 10-15 mpg in Rob’s absence. Remains to be seen but last night was just fine.

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I'm expecting a big night from the bench!

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I'm expecting a big night from the bench!

Ditto!
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