Patriots 2022 Season

[Roy H.]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Eh.  He had one terrible game late last year.  The second Buffalo game really skewed things.  14-for-32, 2 INTs, 145 yards.  When talking about a small sample size, that type of terrible performance can change averages quickly.

[smicker16]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Eh.  He had one terrible game late last year.  The second Buffalo game really skewed things.  14-for-32, 2 INTs, 145 yards.  When talking about a small sample size, that type of terrible performance can change averages quickly.

Yeah, think it was a case of him coming back down to his averages.  Defense carried the team and when they played better competition his numbers were more in line with where he was/is at talent wise as of now. 

[celticsclay]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Jags or not, he was so rattled by his national TV appearance against the Bills (which was played under horrendous wind conditions), that he went out and put out a 128.1 QB rating with 3 TDs, zero INTs on 200+ yards passing a few weeks later?

If there was any trend here, wouldn't he have showed being rattled right off the bat in the remaining 4 games of the season? So distraught being so soon removed from the BUF game? The team still had him throwing the ball 35 times a game around a 60% clip so it wasn't exactly like the team tossed the passing game out the window.  That's not showing a lack of confidence in the kid. 

You're just making up narratives to troll the Pats fans on here.

Has there ever been a qb that has been so rattled by not throwing a lot because of bad weather conditions their career was ruined? I don’t think this has happened in the history of football. Closest thing in sports overall may be ben simmons or Nick Anderson back in the day.

[Goldstar88]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Are we just going to ignore that all the games since the Bills loss have been with Patricia calling plays and not McDaniels. People are making it sound like Mac is out there audibling. Has Mac made some bad throws, sure. Has Patricia been bad with the play calling, absolutely.

[Moranis]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Eh.  He had one terrible game late last year.  The second Buffalo game really skewed things.  14-for-32, 2 INTs, 145 yards.  When talking about a small sample size, that type of terrible performance can change averages quickly.

sure, he also had a great game mixed in there balancing it out.  Patriots were 9-4 after that game and are 2-6 since.  Something changed at that point and that game sure does seem like a good starting point.  Mac was pretty bad in the 2 games right after, had the excellent game against the awful Jags, and hasn't had an even great game since.  This is over 2 seasons and the 5 games last year was the same roster that started 9-4 and yet finished 1-4.

[gouki88]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

Pretty big stretch here with the psychoanalysis from behind your computer screen.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Eh.  He had one terrible game late last year.  The second Buffalo game really skewed things.  14-for-32, 2 INTs, 145 yards.  When talking about a small sample size, that type of terrible performance can change averages quickly.

sure, he also had a great game mixed in there balancing it out.  Patriots were 9-4 after that game and are 2-6 since.  Something changed at that point and that game sure does seem like a good starting point.  Mac was pretty bad in the 2 games right after, had the excellent game against the awful Jags, and hasn't had an even great game since.  This is over 2 seasons and the 5 games last year was the same roster that started 9-4 and yet finished 1-4.

Again Mo, out of your element. You haven’t looked at the defense beginning to suck at that time as well. Judon disappeared. Can this be tied into your crazy theory about Mac?

Did Mac seem to lack confidence yesterday? I didn’t see any evidence of that.

Btw- you’ve dodged the Belichick question… a lot. Name a better GM.

[Moranis]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

Pretty big stretch here with the psychoanalysis from behind your computer screen.

Sure, that is what we all do.  9-4 after that game with solid stats from the QB for the first 12 games (8-4).  2-6 since with bad stats from the QB. 

[Moranis]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Eh.  He had one terrible game late last year.  The second Buffalo game really skewed things.  14-for-32, 2 INTs, 145 yards.  When talking about a small sample size, that type of terrible performance can change averages quickly.

sure, he also had a great game mixed in there balancing it out.  Patriots were 9-4 after that game and are 2-6 since.  Something changed at that point and that game sure does seem like a good starting point.  Mac was pretty bad in the 2 games right after, had the excellent game against the awful Jags, and hasn't had an even great game since.  This is over 2 seasons and the 5 games last year was the same roster that started 9-4 and yet finished 1-4.

Again Mo, out of your element. You haven’t looked at the defense beginning to suck at that time as well. Judon disappeared. Can this be tied into your crazy theory about Mac?

Did Mac seem to lack confidence yesterday? I didn’t see any evidence of that.

Btw- you’ve dodged the Belichick question… a lot. Name a better GM.

There are several GM's that are better than Bill.  Veach, Beane, DeCosta, Licht, Loomis, Roseman, Snead, Lynch, and a guy like Colbert (who just retired) was as well and there are certainly arguments for a guy like Grier (but he is pretty new).  Bill isn't the worst GM in the league, but he isn't all that close to the top either.  I absolutely think he could be if he wasn't coaching, but doing both jobs is just too hard. 

[Roy H.]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Eh.  He had one terrible game late last year.  The second Buffalo game really skewed things.  14-for-32, 2 INTs, 145 yards.  When talking about a small sample size, that type of terrible performance can change averages quickly.

sure, he also had a great game mixed in there balancing it out.  Patriots were 9-4 after that game and are 2-6 since.  Something changed at that point and that game sure does seem like a good starting point.  Mac was pretty bad in the 2 games right after, had the excellent game against the awful Jags, and hasn't had an even great game since.  This is over 2 seasons and the 5 games last year was the same roster that started 9-4 and yet finished 1-4.

Eh.  In the last two games last year, Mac's numbers: 42-for-60 (70.0% Comp%), 488 yards, 4 TD, 1 Int, 109.6 QB Rtg

So, in line or better than his numbers over the first 12 games.

[nickagneta]

Again Mo, out of your element.

Yeah, Mo's takes on basketball, while tending to be contrarian, at least show so semblance of competent knowledge on basketball. His football takes are lacking and outrageously bad.

He proved that last year and is continuing to do it again this year.

[Moranis]

The Patriots emasculated and embarrassed Jones in the Bils game last year and he hasn't been the same since. When the team has so little faith in you that they refuse to throw the ball, it is devastating for your confidence especially as a rookie.

What a dumb hot take.

Have you looked at the numbers?

In the 12 games before that game Mac's main numbers

70.34%, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, with a 97.1 passer rating and the Patriots were 8-4.

In the 4 regular season games after the Bills game

59.85%, 6 Td's, 5 INT's with a 79.7 passer rating and the Patriots were 1-3 (and the 1 which was a  3 TD/0 INT game was the awful post-Meyer Jaguars when the Pats scored 50).

In the playoff game

63.16%, 2 TD's, 2 INT's with a 75.8 passer rating

Thus far this season

65.98%, 2 TD's, 5 INT's with a 76.2 passer rating and the Patriots are 1-2


The simple reality is, since the Patriots threw the ball 3 times against the Bills, Mac Jones has looked like an entirely different QB and the team went from winning 2 out of 3 games to winning just 1 in 4 games.  Now sure maybe that is just a coincidence and has absolutely no correlation at all, or maybe just maybe embarrassing your QB on national tv might not be the thing to do.

Eh.  He had one terrible game late last year.  The second Buffalo game really skewed things.  14-for-32, 2 INTs, 145 yards.  When talking about a small sample size, that type of terrible performance can change averages quickly.

sure, he also had a great game mixed in there balancing it out.  Patriots were 9-4 after that game and are 2-6 since.  Something changed at that point and that game sure does seem like a good starting point.  Mac was pretty bad in the 2 games right after, had the excellent game against the awful Jags, and hasn't had an even great game since.  This is over 2 seasons and the 5 games last year was the same roster that started 9-4 and yet finished 1-4.

Eh.  In the last two games last year, Mac's numbers: 42-for-60 (70.0% Comp%), 488 yards, 4 TD, 1 Int, 109.6 QB Rtg

So, in line or better than his numbers over the first 12 games.

That includes the Jags game, which I acknowledged and said countered the 2nd Buffalo game.  That was Jacksonville's 8th straight loss, though it was the most points they gave up on the year, so that is something.

[Moranis]

Again Mo, out of your element.

Yeah, Mo's takes on basketball, while tending to be contrarian, at least show so semblance of competent knowledge on basketball. His football takes are lacking and outrageously bad.

He proved that last year and is continuing to do it again this year.

What exactly are you referring to?

Edit: I know we had some discussions about how I thought the Pats were playing way to conservatively on offense and should have let Jones air it out more.  I still maintain that given just how Jones has looked verse how Lawrence has looked thus far this year.  You need to let your young QB's make mistakes.  That is also why I said that Bills game was a mistake, it not only embarrassed the division rival, it embarrassed your own QB and pass catchers.  Not sure what else you might be referring to. 

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Again Mo, out of your element.

Yeah, Mo's takes on basketball, while tending to be contrarian, at least show so semblance of competent knowledge on basketball. His football takes are lacking and outrageously bad.

He proved that last year and is continuing to do it again this year.

What exactly are you referring to?

Edit: I know we had some discussions about how I thought the Pats were playing way to conservatively on offense and should have let Jones air it out more.  I still maintain that given just how Jones has looked verse how Lawrence has looked thus far this year.  You need to let your young QB's make mistakes.  That is also why I said that Bills game was a mistake, it not only embarrassed the division rival, it embarrassed your own QB and pass catchers.  Not sure what else you might be referring to.

So your advice to Bill Belichick is that he should let Mac throw more, despite the crazy amount of success that he had with a restrained Tom Brady early in his career. You should call the Patriots 800 number so they can patch you into Bill.

[celticsclay]

This thread has devolved into like 6 people telling Moranis his take on Mac Jones is garbage. I don’t think the 6 people are wrong and I agree with them. It’s weird slicing of numbers to try and build a narrative that just isn’t there.