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Title: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 06:15:25 PM
I have a feeling this winter is going to be FULL of surprises, with moves people don't expect, moves that people will initially disagree on (lots of mixed reactions), and a good chance of Dombrowski continuing to deplete this farm system completely (like in his good'ol Detroit days... smh). Oh, and like winter of 2015, we may see big signings and/or big contracts added to this team, as the Sox will likely blow past the luxury tax this year.

And in the past few days, we've heard rumors of the Red Sox having preliminary discussions about Stanton. Well, today, the Miami Herald is reporting that the Red Sox-Stanton talks may be "heating up" and Boston could be a favorite to land him (though obviously other teams are interested too)  :o

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/fish-bytes/article184112096.html

I'd RATHER NOT though. Much rather sign JD Martinez at around 6/150M (just $$, no trade and contract lower than Stanton's remaining 10/295M), then Logan Morrison (1B) for around 3/36M (guy hit 38 HR last year and Moreland will likely leave and get paid a lot elsewhere), and then add another bullpen piece (preferably a lefty with Abad and Ross Jr. likely gone). Make no "big" trades.

I know JD Martinez is looking for a 200M deal (Boras client... YUCK), but I doubt he gets it, and his price will be a tad bit lower than expected (but obviously he'll still get a lot).

Anyways, we could use this thread to monitor the Red Sox off-season transactions/rumors, which have just begun and will only heat up between now and the beginning of December.

One thing for sure. They NEED a power bat (or 2).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hpantazo on November 11, 2017, 07:43:10 PM
I'd go for Stanton, all-in. He's the franchise hitter we need if we want to replace Ortiz and legitimately contend again.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Fan from VT on November 11, 2017, 08:49:01 PM
I dont know. Baseball is tough; free agency just seems to be a fool’s errand a lot of the time, typically because you either sign a guy at their peak for some of their prime and all their decline, or by paying top dollar for tier 2 free agents. I worry JD martinez at age 30 is less of a sure thing than a true star like stanton at 28. Depends of course what you have to give up. But how happy are we overall with recent free agents? Price, Haey, Panda? Seems like the best players were either traded for or groomed; often the best route to success seems to be ising your dollars to stack uour farm system and be able to retain them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hpantazo on November 11, 2017, 08:55:26 PM
I dont know. Baseball is tough; free agency just seems to be a fool’s errand a lot of the time, typically because you either sign a guy at their peak for some of their prime and all their decline, or by paying top dollar for tier 2 free agents. I worry JD martinez at age 30 is less of a sure thing than a true star like stanton at 28. Depends of course what you have to give up. But how happy are we overall with recent free agents? Price, Haey, Panda? Seems like the best players were either traded for or groomed; often the best route to success seems to be ising your dollars to stack uour farm system and be able to retain them.

Chris Sale was a great trade acquisition. Stanton would be as well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Bucketgetter on November 11, 2017, 09:07:10 PM
I dont know. Baseball is tough; free agency just seems to be a fool’s errand a lot of the time, typically because you either sign a guy at their peak for some of their prime and all their decline, or by paying top dollar for tier 2 free agents. I worry JD martinez at age 30 is less of a sure thing than a true star like stanton at 28. Depends of course what you have to give up. But how happy are we overall with recent free agents? Price, Haey, Panda? Seems like the best players were either traded for or groomed; often the best route to success seems to be ising your dollars to stack uour farm system and be able to retain them.

Chris Sale was a great trade acquisition. Stanton would be as well.
Not true. All depends on what we have to give up. Anthony Davis would be a great trade acquisition for the Celtics, but not if we have to give up everything to get him.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 09:11:30 PM
I'd go for Stanton, all-in. He's the franchise hitter we need if we want to replace Ortiz and legitimately contend again.

My GUESS is he would cost something along the lines of JBJ, ERod, Groome/Chavis (pick 1), and then 2 other solid 'B' caliber prospects. Boston then takes back most of Stanton's remaining contract.

I would really hope MIA eats up like 45M total so his remaining contract looks "better" at 10/250M. (Now he has 10/295M remaining).

Thing is, Miami would prefer getting back a young MLB player (like JBJ) AND pitching prospects, so they may want Groome. In that case, what good pitching prospects do we even have left besides Houck??  :P

My biggest fear also is that they pull a "2015" and go for Stanton AND say, Hosmer (2 big bats with huge contracts). Yuck...  >:( (by "2015", I mean when they made two big signings in Hanley and Sandoval which hasn't really worked out and Hanley has only been great 1 year, underwhelming the other 2)

I'm just not a big fan of Dombrowski. Like DET, he just empties farm systems, gives out big contracts you regret later on, win no World Series and then become mediocre with no farm system or good youth left (look at DET nowadays, with no farm and big contracts on "old guys" they want to move).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: nickagneta on November 11, 2017, 09:19:14 PM
Stanton is probaly costing you Devers and Benitendi and your top piching prospects. Not sure I want him and his ridiculous contract for that.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 09:23:45 PM
Stanton is probaly costing you Devers and Benitendi and your top piching prospects. Not sure I want him and his ridiculous contract for that.

Oh in that case Dombrowski should hang up immediately.

But MIA has to realize they aren't getting that type of value back from any team unless they eat up like 40-50% of his remaining contract LOL.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on November 11, 2017, 10:01:53 PM
Stanton is probaly costing you Devers and Benitendi and your top piching prospects. Not sure I want him and his ridiculous contract for that.

Yup, just sign JD Martinez who will only cost money.  Put him at DH, Hanley at first, and sign an adequate back up corner infielder.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 10:34:46 PM
Stanton is probaly costing you Devers and Benitendi and your top piching prospects. Not sure I want him and his ridiculous contract for that.

Yup, just sign JD Martinez who will only cost money.  Put him at DH, Hanley at first, and sign an adequate back up corner infielder.

HA! Hanley at first.

Seems like every time Hanley plays 1B a few days later you hear he's injured and then misses some games...  ::)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 13, 2017, 06:45:21 PM
https://nesn.com/2017/11/mlb-rumors-lock-solid-certainty-red-sox-acquire-one-of-these-three-stars/

So looks like the Red Sox are a "lock-solid certainty" to land one of the three stars in the offseason (Stanton, Hosmer or JD Martinez).

Makes sense, although I hope it's JD Martinez (could be had for JUST $$$). Hosmer is overrated (not worth the 125-150M he will get and isn't really a power hitter), and Stanton's contract is massive and you'll also have to trade for him (really risky).

Red Sox are also in the mix for Japanese phenom Shohei Otani, although I think he's clearly going NYY or LAD.

The Red Sox did meet with agents of Carlos Santana and Logan Morrison today (possible Mitch Moreland replacement at 1B?). I'd like Morrison in addition to JD Martinez, as Morrison hit 38 HR last season and could be had around 3/36M (which would look like a bargain if he can hit 30+ HRs again this upcoming season). Santana I'd say no because to sign him, you'd also have to forfeit a draft pick and some international signing money.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on November 13, 2017, 06:54:09 PM
https://nesn.com/2017/11/mlb-rumors-lock-solid-certainty-red-sox-acquire-one-of-these-three-stars/

So looks like the Red Sox are a "lock-solid certainty" to land one of the three stars in the offseason (Stanton, Hosmer or JD Martinez).

Makes sense, although I hope it's JD Martinez (could be had for JUST $$$). Hosmer is overrated (not worth the 125-150M he will get and isn't really a power hitter), and Stanton's contract is massive and you'll also have to trade for him (really risky).

Red Sox are also in the mix for Japanese phenom Shohei Otani, although I think he's clearly going NYY or LAD.

The Red Sox did meet with agents of Carlos Santana and Logan Morrison today (possible Mitch Moreland replacement at 1B?). I'd like Morrison in addition to JD Martinez, as Morrison hit 38 HR last season and could be had around 3/36M (which would look like a bargain if he can hit 30+ HRs again this upcoming season). Santana I'd say no because to sign him, you'd also have to forfeit a draft pick and some international signing money.

I'd love the Sox to either leave room in 2018 to make a run at Bryce Harper or put together a package for him before free agency
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: nickagneta on November 13, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
I could see Dombrowski going for it all and try to sign both Hosmer and Martinez while trading away Hanley.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 13, 2017, 07:37:26 PM
https://nesn.com/2017/11/mlb-rumors-lock-solid-certainty-red-sox-acquire-one-of-these-three-stars/

So looks like the Red Sox are a "lock-solid certainty" to land one of the three stars in the offseason (Stanton, Hosmer or JD Martinez).

Makes sense, although I hope it's JD Martinez (could be had for JUST $$$). Hosmer is overrated (not worth the 125-150M he will get and isn't really a power hitter), and Stanton's contract is massive and you'll also have to trade for him (really risky).

Red Sox are also in the mix for Japanese phenom Shohei Otani, although I think he's clearly going NYY or LAD.

The Red Sox did meet with agents of Carlos Santana and Logan Morrison today (possible Mitch Moreland replacement at 1B?). I'd like Morrison in addition to JD Martinez, as Morrison hit 38 HR last season and could be had around 3/36M (which would look like a bargain if he can hit 30+ HRs again this upcoming season). Santana I'd say no because to sign him, you'd also have to forfeit a draft pick and some international signing money.

I'd love the Sox to either leave room in 2018 to make a run at Bryce Harper or put together a package for him before free agency

Harper? I highly doubt it. He's getting 400-500M (dang..), and I think it's set he's going to either Cubs or Yankees. (Hopefully Cubs)

And, well, Machado (another star in that FA class) HATES the Red Sox, so no chance there (and we have Devers)  :P
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 13, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
I could see Dombrowski going for it all and try to sign both Hosmer and Martinez while trading away Hanley.

I really hope they don't sign Hosmer.

Some think they'll acquire Stanton OR Martinez, and then sign Logan Morrison for 1B (guy hit 38 HR last year) and some added pop.

I don't think they can trade Hanley. Lots of $$ but also this is his final year of contract (unless his option vests, which it likely won't), so you really won't get much from him in a trade. DD will likely keep him.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 13, 2017, 07:40:32 PM
Don't really want Hosmer, as he's a groundball hitter and we've got enough of those. Stanton (obviously) would be awesome to have in the lineup, but I think he's too much of an injury risk and costs way too much (unless DD can pull off some type of Ainge-like deal in which he acquires Stanton for peanuts, which is highly doubtful). Martinez seems like he may be the best bet overall, but he's already 30, which concerns me. Maybe there just isn't the perfect guy out there this offseason.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: nickagneta on November 13, 2017, 08:34:15 PM
I could see Dombrowski going for it all and try to sign both Hosmer and Martinez while trading away Hanley.

I really hope they don't sign Hosmer.

Some think they'll acquire Stanton OR Martinez, and then sign Logan Morrison for 1B (guy hit 38 HR last year) and some added pop.

I don't think they can trade Hanley. Lots of $$ but also this is his final year of contract (unless his option vests, which it likely won't), so you really won't get much from him in a trade. DD will likely keep him.
DD will give Hanley away offering to pay most of his contract. It will be addition by subtraction much like what the Sox did with Adrian Gonzalez.

I think Hosmer is a heck of a player. Best defensive first basemen in the league and playing in Fenway I think he could easily be a 30HR, .300 hitter with 100 RBIs.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 13, 2017, 11:52:57 PM
I could see Dombrowski going for it all and try to sign both Hosmer and Martinez while trading away Hanley.

I really hope they don't sign Hosmer.

Some think they'll acquire Stanton OR Martinez, and then sign Logan Morrison for 1B (guy hit 38 HR last year) and some added pop.

I don't think they can trade Hanley. Lots of $$ but also this is his final year of contract (unless his option vests, which it likely won't), so you really won't get much from him in a trade. DD will likely keep him.
DD will give Hanley away offering to pay most of his contract. It will be addition by subtraction much like what the Sox did with Adrian Gonzalez.

I think Hosmer is a heck of a player. Best defensive first basemen in the league and playing in Fenway I think he could easily be a 30HR, .300 hitter with 100 RBIs.

Hosmer only strikes me as a moderate upgrade from Mitch Moreland, and Hosmer is going to get paid like 5x more than Moreland per year...

Last year, Moreland played for $5M. Hosmer is likely to get some 5-6 year deal worth 125-150M (so 25M/year approximately).

Hosmer only had 3 more HR than Moreland last year.

Plus I'm wary of signing Hosmer and forfeiting a draft pick and international signing $$$ (and I feel the same about Carlos Santana negotiations too).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 14, 2017, 10:31:33 PM
Dang, the price for JD Martinez will be 7 years/210M according to reports...  :o

And some conflicting reports say Stanton may not want to come to Boston either (he has his No Trade Clause).

I mean they better get at least ONE POWER BAT, otherwise what's the point next season...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: footey on November 14, 2017, 11:09:48 PM
Dang, the price for JD Martinez will be 7 years/210M according to reports...  :o

And some conflicting reports say Stanton may not want to come to Boston either (he has his No Trade Clause).

I mean they better get at least ONE POWER BAT, otherwise what's the point next season...

Bring back Papi.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 14, 2017, 11:56:43 PM
Dang, the price for JD Martinez will be 7 years/210M according to reports...  :o

And some conflicting reports say Stanton may not want to come to Boston either (he has his No Trade Clause).

I mean they better get at least ONE POWER BAT, otherwise what's the point next season...

I think the power bat list in order is:

-JD Martinez
-Eric Hosmer
-Logan Morrison

Will actually be surprised if they don't walk away with one of them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 15, 2017, 12:22:49 AM
Dang, the price for JD Martinez will be 7 years/210M according to reports...  :o

And some conflicting reports say Stanton may not want to come to Boston either (he has his No Trade Clause).

I mean they better get at least ONE POWER BAT, otherwise what's the point next season...

I think the power bat list in order is:

-JD Martinez
-Eric Hosmer
-Logan Morrison

Will actually be surprised if they don't walk away with one of them.

Is Eric Hosmer really a power bat??

He only had like 3 HR more than Mitch Moreland and is likely going to get paid like 5x more per year than Moreland (who played at $5M/Year w/Boston)...

Overrated IMO.

I'd love Logan Morrison. But I'll admit, I'm being really greedy and hoping they can get a Stanton/Martinez AND Morrison lol (just spend the $$$$), because frankly adding Morrison only to the lineup really doesn't improve us as much. Either way, lots of current guys are going to have to step up and hit for power as well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 20, 2017, 12:29:28 PM
Stanton trade talks heating up.

Giants and Cardinals have reportedly made offers.

Giants offer is something along the lines of Joe Panik, and 2 of their top prospects in Shaw and Beede (though neither is considered Top-100 in entire MLB).

Cardinals package is mostly prospects with like 1 top name involved apparently (names unknown).

IF Martinez's price is actually around 200M, I could see the Sox jumping in and at least making an offer here.

For now, I doubt it.

ALSO, Red Sox seem to be high on Carlos Santana as a "Moreland replacement".
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 20, 2017, 02:22:57 PM
Stanton trade talks heating up.

Giants and Cardinals have reportedly made offers.

Giants offer is something along the lines of Joe Panik, and 2 of their top prospects in Shaw and Beede (though neither is considered Top-100 in entire MLB).



Giants fan here, we need to do this! Heard we are getting Dee Gordon in the deal too.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 25, 2017, 08:14:26 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Bobshot on November 25, 2017, 09:33:17 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)

Abreu is a great target, but I don't think they have to give up both JBJ and Chavis to get him.
Bruce is a streaky hitter, low OBP type, who can probably play RF at Fenway.

I hesitate to trade JBJ, who could break out as a hitter anytime. Too much talent there. Chavis is a better choice for Abreu, though WSox like JBJ.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 25, 2017, 10:45:47 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)

Abreu is a great target, but I don't think they have to give up both JBJ and Chavis to get him.
Bruce is a streaky hitter, low OBP type, who can probably play RF at Fenway.

I hesitate to trade JBJ, who could break out as a hitter anytime. Too much talent there. Chavis is a better choice for Abreu, though WSox like JBJ.

Well then if you keep JBJ, that's your team + Abreu.

No room for Bruce.

I just don't think they are keeping BOTH JBJ/Bogaerts long term (because of Betts, Sale, etc also in line for extensions) so one will be gone soon to upgrade elsewhere via trade.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 29, 2017, 03:39:02 PM
Red Sox in "active trade talks" for White Sox 1B Jose Abreu

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/935907262039756800?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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chisox have been in active talks with red sox and others on star 1B jose abreu. boston was 1 of 4 finalists for abreu when he signed with chicago (milwaukee & houston were the others).

As I've said in posts above this one, a solid plan would be to trade for Jose Abreu for 1B with his .304 avg, 33 HR, and 102 RBI. Then EITHER sign Jay Bruce on a 2-3 year deal, or if Martinez's price goes down (like Encarnacion's did last winter), you could sign Martinez for something like 6/150M (or hopefully, 5/125M).

Basically, add two power bats in Abreu + Bruce/Martinez.

More logical than just trading prospects/players for Stanton AND his remaining 10/295M contract.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 29, 2017, 03:42:08 PM
Yeah, I like Abreu. I also like Stanton. I don't want Martinez/Hosmer/next guy to have a career year then be average/above average. If the Sox are shelling out big dough, I want Stanton, Harper, Trout type talent.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on November 29, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)

Abreu is a great target, but I don't think they have to give up both JBJ and Chavis to get him.
Bruce is a streaky hitter, low OBP type, who can probably play RF at Fenway.

I hesitate to trade JBJ, who could break out as a hitter anytime. Too much talent there. Chavis is a better choice for Abreu, though WSox like JBJ.

Well then if you keep JBJ, that's your team + Abreu.

No room for Bruce.

I just don't think they are keeping BOTH JBJ/Bogaerts long term (because of Betts, Sale, etc also in line for extensions) so one will be gone soon to upgrade elsewhere via trade.
For someone with 2 Silver Slugger awards, Bogaerts' regress is incomprehensible to me. He'd be the first one I'd dangle as bait out there.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 29, 2017, 03:45:55 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)

Abreu is a great target, but I don't think they have to give up both JBJ and Chavis to get him.
Bruce is a streaky hitter, low OBP type, who can probably play RF at Fenway.

I hesitate to trade JBJ, who could break out as a hitter anytime. Too much talent there. Chavis is a better choice for Abreu, though WSox like JBJ.

Well then if you keep JBJ, that's your team + Abreu.

No room for Bruce.

I just don't think they are keeping BOTH JBJ/Bogaerts long term (because of Betts, Sale, etc also in line for extensions) so one will be gone soon to upgrade elsewhere via trade.
For someone with 2 Silver Slugger awards, Bogaerts' regress is incomprehensible to me. He'd be the first one I'd dangle as bait out there.
His regression baffles me as well and thats why Im not trading him.

Hope for a resurgence. Hes really talented.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on November 29, 2017, 03:49:47 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)

Abreu is a great target, but I don't think they have to give up both JBJ and Chavis to get him.
Bruce is a streaky hitter, low OBP type, who can probably play RF at Fenway.

I hesitate to trade JBJ, who could break out as a hitter anytime. Too much talent there. Chavis is a better choice for Abreu, though WSox like JBJ.

Well then if you keep JBJ, that's your team + Abreu.

No room for Bruce.

I just don't think they are keeping BOTH JBJ/Bogaerts long term (because of Betts, Sale, etc also in line for extensions) so one will be gone soon to upgrade elsewhere via trade.
For someone with 2 Silver Slugger awards, Bogaerts' regress is incomprehensible to me. He'd be the first one I'd dangle as bait out there.
His regression baffles me as well and thats why Im not trading him.

Hope for a resurgence. Hes really talented.
Based on the body of work over 4 full seasons it seems he'd be closer to the 10 HR guy that bats .280 than to the 20 HR, .300 avg one. That's a significant difference for someone who's not known to be a plus defender at his position.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 29, 2017, 03:57:48 PM
Yeah, I like Abreu. I also like Stanton. I don't want Martinez/Hosmer/next guy to have a career year then be average/above average. If the Sox are shelling out big dough, I want Stanton, Harper, Trout type talent.

Stanton is just way too risky. Contract, trade price, somewhat injury prone, and also probably doesn't want to come to Boston (No Trade Clause). Prefers Dodgers or probably either Giants/Cardinals.

Harper is going NYY or Cubs (hopefully Cubs). Maybe staying with WAS but doubt it.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 29, 2017, 04:24:56 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)

Abreu is a great target, but I don't think they have to give up both JBJ and Chavis to get him.
Bruce is a streaky hitter, low OBP type, who can probably play RF at Fenway.

I hesitate to trade JBJ, who could break out as a hitter anytime. Too much talent there. Chavis is a better choice for Abreu, though WSox like JBJ.

Well then if you keep JBJ, that's your team + Abreu.

No room for Bruce.

I just don't think they are keeping BOTH JBJ/Bogaerts long term (because of Betts, Sale, etc also in line for extensions) so one will be gone soon to upgrade elsewhere via trade.
For someone with 2 Silver Slugger awards, Bogaerts' regress is incomprehensible to me. He'd be the first one I'd dangle as bait out there.
His regression baffles me as well and thats why Im not trading him.

Hope for a resurgence. Hes really talented.
Based on the body of work over 4 full seasons it seems he'd be closer to the 10 HR guy that bats .280 than to the 20 HR, .300 avg one. That's a significant difference for someone who's not known to be a plus defender at his position.
Hes more talented than those numbers tho.

I think hes got a good chance to figure it out.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 29, 2017, 04:43:34 PM
This is from SoSH. There's a blurb from Cameron's fangraphs chat today on Bradley and Abreu.

"12:46
Jordan : White Sox fans seem to think they could get JBJ+ top prospects, or Ben+ top prospects for Abreu, I contend that between age, $$$ and the glut of similar free agents means Abreu isn’t worth JBJ or Ben or top prospects, what’s your thoughts on his value?

12:46
Dave Cameron: Bradley is worth so much more than Abreu, it’s not even close.


12:47
Ryan: Abreu opted into arb so he is going to make 17.9M this year according to MLBTR. Even worse for Boston.

12:47
Dave Cameron: I’ll take the under on him getting $18M, but yeah, good point.

12:47
Dave Cameron: He got $11M as an arb-1 last year, so after a good year, he’s probably over $16M this year, and maybe $20M next year.

12:48
Dave Cameron: So now he’s more like 2/$35M, maybe 2/$40M?

12:48
Dave Cameron: You’d take him at those prices, but if you give up something really valuable to get it, it’s a mistake.

12:49
striker: RedSox get Abreu
Giants get JBJ
WhiteSox get Groome and Arroyo

12:49
Dave Cameron: Dombrowski gets insta-fired.

12:50
Dave Cameron: Also, the world in which the Giants can turn Christian Arroyo into Jackie Bradley Jr must be a fun one.

12:50
Brian: Is JBJ and Michael Chavis or Sam Travis enough, too little or too much for Jose Abreu?


12:50
Dave Cameron: I can’t believe how many JBJ+ for Abreu suggestions are in the queue.


12:51
Dave Cameron: Bradley is better than Abreu, cheaper than Abreu, and under team control for longer than Abreu. Also, there’s a billion first baseman on the market this winter, and only one good CF."
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 29, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)

Abreu is a great target, but I don't think they have to give up both JBJ and Chavis to get him.
Bruce is a streaky hitter, low OBP type, who can probably play RF at Fenway.

I hesitate to trade JBJ, who could break out as a hitter anytime. Too much talent there. Chavis is a better choice for Abreu, though WSox like JBJ.

Well then if you keep JBJ, that's your team + Abreu.

No room for Bruce.

I just don't think they are keeping BOTH JBJ/Bogaerts long term (because of Betts, Sale, etc also in line for extensions) so one will be gone soon to upgrade elsewhere via trade.
For someone with 2 Silver Slugger awards, Bogaerts' regress is incomprehensible to me. He'd be the first one I'd dangle as bait out there.
His regression baffles me as well and thats why Im not trading him.

Hope for a resurgence. Hes really talented.
Based on the body of work over 4 full seasons it seems he'd be closer to the 10 HR guy that bats .280 than to the 20 HR, .300 avg one. That's a significant difference for someone who's not known to be a plus defender at his position.
Hes more talented than those numbers tho.

I think hes got a good chance to figure it out.
on xander, i believe i read an article that showed a clear decline in his hitting after he returned from his injury. i couldnt find it though, so take this with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 29, 2017, 08:00:53 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746023-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-red-sox-have-mild-interest-in-star

Red Sox said to only have "tepid" interest in Stanton. (According to Cafardo)

Another rumor I've heard is that the Sox may trade JBJ, Chavis + 2 more prospects for Jose Abreu (1B, can hit 30+ HR consistently and hit .304 last season, with average defense), and then sign Jay Bruce on a 2 year deal to play RF while Mookie goes to CF (w/JBJ gone in Abreu trade). In a sense, that keeps Hanley DH and adds 2 power hitters in Bruce and Abreu. Moreland leaves, while the hope is they also re-sign Nunez or trade for another cheap infielder to play in place of Pedroia who likely misses a good chunk of season due to injury.

What are people's thoughts about that? (Again, just a rumor, no concrete report yet)

Abreu is a great target, but I don't think they have to give up both JBJ and Chavis to get him.
Bruce is a streaky hitter, low OBP type, who can probably play RF at Fenway.

I hesitate to trade JBJ, who could break out as a hitter anytime. Too much talent there. Chavis is a better choice for Abreu, though WSox like JBJ.

Well then if you keep JBJ, that's your team + Abreu.

No room for Bruce.

I just don't think they are keeping BOTH JBJ/Bogaerts long term (because of Betts, Sale, etc also in line for extensions) so one will be gone soon to upgrade elsewhere via trade.
For someone with 2 Silver Slugger awards, Bogaerts' regress is incomprehensible to me. He'd be the first one I'd dangle as bait out there.
His regression baffles me as well and thats why Im not trading him.

Hope for a resurgence. Hes really talented.
Based on the body of work over 4 full seasons it seems he'd be closer to the 10 HR guy that bats .280 than to the 20 HR, .300 avg one. That's a significant difference for someone who's not known to be a plus defender at his position.
Hes more talented than those numbers tho.

I think hes got a good chance to figure it out.
on xander, i believe i read an article that showed a clear decline in his hitting after he returned from his injury. i couldnt find it though, so take this with a grain of salt.

Unfortunately with Xander, he gets off to great starts (at all-star place), but then seems to just go ice cold 2nd half of season, which carries into playoffs. Same with JBJ.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on November 29, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
12:51
Dave Cameron: Bradley is better than Abreu, cheaper than Abreu, and under team control for longer than Abreu. Also, there’s a billion first baseman on the market this winter, and only one good CF."
How poor of a player is Abreu then, given that JBJ is clearly our third best outfielder? That's just nonsense.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Bobshot on December 01, 2017, 04:37:12 PM
I think Abreu for JBJ makes sense to me because 1) Abreu is a cleanup hitter and first baseman they don't have with a friendly contract, and 2) JBJ is expendable with Betts ready to play CF. It's a pretty equal trade when you add JBJ's defensive stats. One of the top CFers in the game.

The Red Sox are loaded in the OF. They even have a kid Brentz, who seems to have found himself as a hitter, leading AAA in HRs last year. He needs a serious look.

Bradley could break out at any time as a hitter. He certainly has shown streaks of power. He should be enough to get Abreu without any major prospects added. Looks like an even deal to me.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Bobshot on December 09, 2017, 10:53:20 AM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.


Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 09, 2017, 11:06:09 AM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Yeah, sucks to hear. Last night was awful, from the Celtics suffering that heartbreaking loss, to realizing the Yankees could get Stanton (and this morning, they did).

Either way, Red Sox HAVE to do something, otherwise ratings will definitely be down next year and lots of fans are going to be mad.

Part of me wonders if they will now be in play for Harper next winter, or another star FA (not Machado, b/c he hates us LOL).

Apparently Sox are now showing interest in Pat Neshek, so maybe they add him or Bryan Shaw (another GREAT RELIEVER) to help out with the BP a bit.

But at this point, it's JD Martinez or bust this winter. Hosmer is overrated (NOT a power bat), and while I like Carlos Santana, he's just not going to cut it either. Logan Morrison, maybe, since he hit 38 HR last year, but that could be a big anomaly as well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 09, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Yeah, sucks to hear. Last night was awful, from the Celtics suffering that heartbreaking loss, to realizing the Yankees could get Stanton (and this morning, they did).

Either way, Red Sox HAVE to do something, otherwise ratings will definitely be down next year and lots of fans are going to be mad.

Part of me wonders if they will now be in play for Harper next winter, or another star FA (not Machado, b/c he hates us LOL).

Apparently Sox are now showing interest in Pat Neshek, so maybe they add him or Bryan Shaw (another GREAT RELIEVER) to help out with the BP a bit.

But at this point, it's JD Martinez or bust this winter. Hosmer is overrated (NOT a power bat), and while I like Carlos Santana, he's just not going to cut it either. Logan Morrison, maybe, since he hit 38 HR last year, but that could be a big anomaly as well.
ratings down? this is the boston red sox we are talking about. the fans will not start abandeoning the sox because the yankees get a star player.

stanton helps the yankees, of course. but as was pointed out above, the team as a whole out played their talent and they still have starting pitching weaknesses. over 162 games that weakness will show up.

and the sox have not yet made their big off season move, so let's wait and see folks.

though...i must confess...for the marlins to sell their only real start and attraction just to get salary relief? no top prospects, which the marlins desperately need?

derek jerkface jeter just bent over harder for the yankees on that trade than he did fielding grounders for them in his career.

well, back to the good old days of sox hating yanks and vice versa.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 09, 2017, 11:31:25 AM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Giants fan here, and I'm still disappointed by this. It's hard to convince Stanton to come to the Bay after a 98 loss season, but I thought we could have convinced him that part of it is injuries, and we could bounce back.

With that said, at least he's not going to the Dodgers.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 09, 2017, 11:41:07 AM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Yeah, sucks to hear. Last night was awful, from the Celtics suffering that heartbreaking loss, to realizing the Yankees could get Stanton (and this morning, they did).

Either way, Red Sox HAVE to do something, otherwise ratings will definitely be down next year and lots of fans are going to be mad.

Part of me wonders if they will now be in play for Harper next winter, or another star FA (not Machado, b/c he hates us LOL).

Apparently Sox are now showing interest in Pat Neshek, so maybe they add him or Bryan Shaw (another GREAT RELIEVER) to help out with the BP a bit.

But at this point, it's JD Martinez or bust this winter. Hosmer is overrated (NOT a power bat), and while I like Carlos Santana, he's just not going to cut it either. Logan Morrison, maybe, since he hit 38 HR last year, but that could be a big anomaly as well.
ratings down? this is the boston red sox we are talking about. the fans will not start abandeoning the sox because the yankees get a star player.

stanton helps the yankees, of course. but as was pointed out above, the team as a whole out played their talent and they still have starting pitching weaknesses. over 162 games that weakness will show up.

and the sox have not yet made their big off season move, so let's wait and see folks.

Hey I'm a Sox fan for life, and I'll stay even in a 120-loss season, but I'm talking about the fan base in general. Apparently, Gregorious-Stanton-Judge-Sanchez hit 169 HR last year. Red Sox only had 168 from everyone on the team...

And I only said ratings would go down IF the Sox whiff on the other big name targets and pretty much bring back the same team as last year (or just a "moderate upgrade" like Santana or Morrison at 1B instead of Moreland).

Now my hope is, the Sox can land JD Martinez for like 6/160M, although now there may be a bit of a bidding war with SF Giants and St. Louis (who were denied Stanton's services earlier).

Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 09, 2017, 11:54:40 AM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

I hope you are right that the Yankees overachieved, but they seem to overachieve a lot in recent history.  Their starting pitching is a big question mark.

I hope Price returns to form, and Porcello rebounds back a little.  Maybe Rodriguez makes the jump as a starter too, and we get Wright back too.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 09, 2017, 12:03:46 PM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Yeah, sucks to hear. Last night was awful, from the Celtics suffering that heartbreaking loss, to realizing the Yankees could get Stanton (and this morning, they did).

Either way, Red Sox HAVE to do something, otherwise ratings will definitely be down next year and lots of fans are going to be mad.

Part of me wonders if they will now be in play for Harper next winter, or another star FA (not Machado, b/c he hates us LOL).

Apparently Sox are now showing interest in Pat Neshek, so maybe they add him or Bryan Shaw (another GREAT RELIEVER) to help out with the BP a bit.

But at this point, it's JD Martinez or bust this winter. Hosmer is overrated (NOT a power bat), and while I like Carlos Santana, he's just not going to cut it either. Logan Morrison, maybe, since he hit 38 HR last year, but that could be a big anomaly as well.
ratings down? this is the boston red sox we are talking about. the fans will not start abandeoning the sox because the yankees get a star player.

stanton helps the yankees, of course. but as was pointed out above, the team as a whole out played their talent and they still have starting pitching weaknesses. over 162 games that weakness will show up.

and the sox have not yet made their big off season move, so let's wait and see folks.

Hey I'm a Sox fan for life, and I'll stay even in a 120-loss season, but I'm talking about the fan base in general. Apparently, Gregorious-Stanton-Judge-Sanchez hit 169 HR last year. Red Sox only had 168 from everyone on the team...

And I only said ratings would go down IF the Sox whiff on the other big name targets and pretty much bring back the same team as last year (or just a "moderate upgrade" like Santana or Morrison at 1B instead of Moreland).

Now my hope is, the Sox can land JD Martinez for like 6/160M, although now there may be a bit of a bidding war with SF Giants and St. Louis (who were denied Stanton's services earlier).
marintez does seem to be a prime suspect to become a sox now. another name i have seen bantered about is...

- Yelich, marlins, gold glove outfielder, young, good hitter with some power. salary? got 4/$43.25 with a $15 option for 2022.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/yelicch01.shtml

such a trade might soften a trade of jbj for abreu. just thinking of options right now.


Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on December 09, 2017, 12:20:56 PM
Jeter McHaled the Sox! Lets hope that monster contract becomes another Arod albatross. Super scary lineup. In the end though, pitching will win out but [dang], scary meat in that lineup while Sox are fishing for good hitters, Yankees caught the big one.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 09, 2017, 12:26:53 PM
Jeter McHaled the Sox! Lets hope that monster contract becomes another Arod albatross. Super scary lineup. In the end though, pitching will win out but [dang], scary meat in that lineup while Sox are fishing for good hitters, Yankees caught the big one.
even with a less than MVP year, stanton will probably give them 2-4 more wins. the sox finished 2 games ahead of the yankees for first place last season.

it is easy to see the yanks winning the division and the sox being the wild card team. but then again, if the sox get a good hitter, everyone improves in the line up. plus, maybe the sox dont have as many injuries either.

in any case, next year will be VERY competitive in the AL east.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: TheBig3 on December 09, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Yeah, sucks to hear. Last night was awful, from the Celtics suffering that heartbreaking loss, to realizing the Yankees could get Stanton (and this morning, they did).

Either way, Red Sox HAVE to do something, otherwise ratings will definitely be down next year and lots of fans are going to be mad.

Part of me wonders if they will now be in play for Harper next winter, or another star FA (not Machado, b/c he hates us LOL).

Apparently Sox are now showing interest in Pat Neshek, so maybe they add him or Bryan Shaw (another GREAT RELIEVER) to help out with the BP a bit.

But at this point, it's JD Martinez or bust this winter. Hosmer is overrated (NOT a power bat), and while I like Carlos Santana, he's just not going to cut it either. Logan Morrison, maybe, since he hit 38 HR last year, but that could be a big anomaly as well.
ratings down? this is the boston red sox we are talking about. the fans will not start abandeoning the sox because the yankees get a star player.

stanton helps the yankees, of course. but as was pointed out above, the team as a whole out played their talent and they still have starting pitching weaknesses. over 162 games that weakness will show up.

and the sox have not yet made their big off season move, so let's wait and see folks.

Hey I'm a Sox fan for life, and I'll stay even in a 120-loss season, but I'm talking about the fan base in general. Apparently, Gregorious-Stanton-Judge-Sanchez hit 169 HR last year. Red Sox only had 168 from everyone on the team...

And I only said ratings would go down IF the Sox whiff on the other big name targets and pretty much bring back the same team as last year (or just a "moderate upgrade" like Santana or Morrison at 1B instead of Moreland).

Now my hope is, the Sox can land JD Martinez for like 6/160M, although now there may be a bit of a bidding war with SF Giants and St. Louis (who were denied Stanton's services earlier).
marintez does seem to be a prime suspect to become a sox now. another name i have seen bantered about is...

- Yelich, marlins, gold glove outfielder, young, good hitter with some power. salary? got 4/$43.25 with a $15 option for 2022.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/yelicch01.shtml

such a trade might soften a trade of jbj for abreu. just thinking of options right now.
By unloading Stanton this allows the fish to keep Yelich and build around him. I think the next one to move from the Marlins is Prado
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 09, 2017, 12:38:54 PM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Yeah, sucks to hear. Last night was awful, from the Celtics suffering that heartbreaking loss, to realizing the Yankees could get Stanton (and this morning, they did).

Either way, Red Sox HAVE to do something, otherwise ratings will definitely be down next year and lots of fans are going to be mad.

Part of me wonders if they will now be in play for Harper next winter, or another star FA (not Machado, b/c he hates us LOL).

Apparently Sox are now showing interest in Pat Neshek, so maybe they add him or Bryan Shaw (another GREAT RELIEVER) to help out with the BP a bit.

But at this point, it's JD Martinez or bust this winter. Hosmer is overrated (NOT a power bat), and while I like Carlos Santana, he's just not going to cut it either. Logan Morrison, maybe, since he hit 38 HR last year, but that could be a big anomaly as well.
ratings down? this is the boston red sox we are talking about. the fans will not start abandeoning the sox because the yankees get a star player.

stanton helps the yankees, of course. but as was pointed out above, the team as a whole out played their talent and they still have starting pitching weaknesses. over 162 games that weakness will show up.

and the sox have not yet made their big off season move, so let's wait and see folks.

Hey I'm a Sox fan for life, and I'll stay even in a 120-loss season, but I'm talking about the fan base in general. Apparently, Gregorious-Stanton-Judge-Sanchez hit 169 HR last year. Red Sox only had 168 from everyone on the team...

And I only said ratings would go down IF the Sox whiff on the other big name targets and pretty much bring back the same team as last year (or just a "moderate upgrade" like Santana or Morrison at 1B instead of Moreland).

Now my hope is, the Sox can land JD Martinez for like 6/160M, although now there may be a bit of a bidding war with SF Giants and St. Louis (who were denied Stanton's services earlier).
marintez does seem to be a prime suspect to become a sox now. another name i have seen bantered about is...

- Yelich, marlins, gold glove outfielder, young, good hitter with some power. salary? got 4/$43.25 with a $15 option for 2022.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/yelicch01.shtml

such a trade might soften a trade of jbj for abreu. just thinking of options right now.
By unloading Stanton this allows the fish to keep Yelich and build around him. I think the next one to move from the Marlins is Prado
you are probably correct and i was just speculating of possible actions by the sox. but the marlins are such a poorly run franchise anything is possible.

but i do expect the sox to move very quickly and acquire a power bat in the next week or so. as ever, the yanks and sox make for an exciting off season and in season.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: TheBig3 on December 09, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Yeah, sucks to hear. Last night was awful, from the Celtics suffering that heartbreaking loss, to realizing the Yankees could get Stanton (and this morning, they did).

Either way, Red Sox HAVE to do something, otherwise ratings will definitely be down next year and lots of fans are going to be mad.

Part of me wonders if they will now be in play for Harper next winter, or another star FA (not Machado, b/c he hates us LOL).

Apparently Sox are now showing interest in Pat Neshek, so maybe they add him or Bryan Shaw (another GREAT RELIEVER) to help out with the BP a bit.

But at this point, it's JD Martinez or bust this winter. Hosmer is overrated (NOT a power bat), and while I like Carlos Santana, he's just not going to cut it either. Logan Morrison, maybe, since he hit 38 HR last year, but that could be a big anomaly as well.
ratings down? this is the boston red sox we are talking about. the fans will not start abandeoning the sox because the yankees get a star player.

stanton helps the yankees, of course. but as was pointed out above, the team as a whole out played their talent and they still have starting pitching weaknesses. over 162 games that weakness will show up.

and the sox have not yet made their big off season move, so let's wait and see folks.

Hey I'm a Sox fan for life, and I'll stay even in a 120-loss season, but I'm talking about the fan base in general. Apparently, Gregorious-Stanton-Judge-Sanchez hit 169 HR last year. Red Sox only had 168 from everyone on the team...

And I only said ratings would go down IF the Sox whiff on the other big name targets and pretty much bring back the same team as last year (or just a "moderate upgrade" like Santana or Morrison at 1B instead of Moreland).

Now my hope is, the Sox can land JD Martinez for like 6/160M, although now there may be a bit of a bidding war with SF Giants and St. Louis (who were denied Stanton's services earlier).
marintez does seem to be a prime suspect to become a sox now. another name i have seen bantered about is...

- Yelich, marlins, gold glove outfielder, young, good hitter with some power. salary? got 4/$43.25 with a $15 option for 2022.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/yelicch01.shtml

such a trade might soften a trade of jbj for abreu. just thinking of options right now.
By unloading Stanton this allows the fish to keep Yelich and build around him. I think the next one to move from the Marlins is Prado
you are probably correct and i was just speculating of possible actions by the sox. but the marlins are such a poorly run franchise anything is possible.

but i do expect the sox to move very quickly and acquire a power bat in the next week or so. as ever, the yanks and sox make for an exciting off season and in season.

I agree, let's hope it's not a panic move though
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: TheBig3 on December 09, 2017, 12:44:58 PM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

I don't like the fact he went to NY, but to be fair, Stanton dictated the teams he would go to, Jeter didn't say no to the Cards or Giants, Stanton did, and the Dodgers never put a serious offer in, add to that the fact Denbo ran the Yankees minor leagues and knows the prospects offered better than ones from other teams this makes sense. So people need to stop with the Jeter planned this to happen
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: footey on December 09, 2017, 01:40:17 PM
Was a perfect storm to go to Stanton. Too bad he did not have Red Sox on his list. Would have given them a better package. Yankees stealing him.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 09, 2017, 01:54:09 PM
Not happening, but could you imagine a Betts-Benintendi-Harper outfield in 2019  :o  :P

Anyways, I think Henry and co. will spend a lot in the coming years, as Yankees are and definitely will going forward.

Makes me think they sign someone this year, then next year when LOTS of guys/bad contracts are off the books, they can make some more moves then too. (Not saying Harper, but there are A LOT of stars in FA who could be available next winter)

For now. Martinez-or-bust.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on December 09, 2017, 02:15:49 PM
Jeter just did what a lot of people suspected was in the cards all along. Stanton to the Yankees.
It looks like a lot of those other teams were just a setup.

On paper, the Yankee lineup looks ridiculous. But neither Stanton nor Judge figures to repeat the year they had last year. Stanton, especially, is injury prone.

The Yankees had a magical year last year in which nearly everyone overachieved. They might just come back to earth this year--even with Stanton. And they lost their 2nd baseman, Castro, in the Stanton deal. Castro hit an unbelievable .300 last year.

The real need for the Yankees is starting pitching. Other than Severino, the other starters are questionable. They don't have the starting rotation to win a championship. But wait a few days. They've been a 900lb gorilla of decades outspending everybody ($1 billion in luxury taxes!), and it looks like that gorilla is thirsty for another championship.

Meanwhile Mr Henry spends too much time counting his money and making poor financial baseball decisions.

Giants fan here, and I'm still disappointed by this. It's hard to convince Stanton to come to the Bay after a 98 loss season, but I thought we could have convinced him that part of it is injuries, and we could bounce back.

With that said, at least he's not going to the Dodgers.

Ha! And all of my Dodgers friends here in L.A. are saying, "At least he didn't go to the Giants"!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 09, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
Stanton literally pulled a Kevin Durant on his way to the Yanks.

I mean, his 4 teams he said he would waive his NTC for literally all were the Final Four in last year's postseason (Cubs, Astros, Dodgers, Yankees).  :P

Oh, and of course Jeter now being on the Marlins..  :-\
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 09, 2017, 02:21:09 PM
Stanton literally pulled a Kevin Durant on his way to the Yanks.

I mean, his 4 teams he said he would waive his NTC for literally all were the Final Four in last year's postseason (Cubs, Astros, Dodgers, Yankees).  :P

Oh, and of course Jeter now being on the Marlins..  :-\
I dont recall Kevin Durant being forced out of OKC by management.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 09, 2017, 02:25:05 PM
Thats a bad contract. Im happy this happened.

Yankees look dangerous now, but I dont think this was a good move for New York in the long run.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 09, 2017, 02:27:25 PM
Thats a bad contract. Im happy this happened.

Yankees look dangerous now, but I dont think this was a good move for New York in the long run.

Yeah unless Stanton opts-out in 3 years and goes to the Dodgers (which is actually a possibility), which would mean Yanks gave up little and got Stanton for around 3 years/77M.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on December 09, 2017, 04:05:59 PM
I think the Sox will pass on Xander and JBJ when its time to sign them long term. They may even trade one/both. Long term, I think their major pieces are Betts, Benitendi, Devers, Sale, Kimbrel, and that's about it.

They could add Martinez or Hosmer, but hopefully not both. I don't imagine that their contracts will justify their performance past 30yo. I think Price might need to be traded, opening up another need to sign a SP.

The Sox will need to make some type of splash. I'm guessing that it might be something that many aren't even considering at this point.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 09, 2017, 04:18:15 PM
Thats a bad contract. Im happy this happened.

Yankees look dangerous now, but I dont think this was a good move for New York in the long run.

Agreed. I’m glad they took on his contract too.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 09, 2017, 04:28:31 PM
Thats a bad contract. Im happy this happened.

Yankees look dangerous now, but I dont think this was a good move for New York in the long run.

Agreed. I’m glad they took on his contract too.

They took on more like 10/243M.

It was 10/295, but Marlins eat up like $30M, then they traded away Castro who had like 2/22M left, so it's 10/243M.

Still a lot though, and will definitely be something they regret by Year 4-5 and beyond (unless Stanton opts out after the 3rd year)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 10, 2017, 01:03:54 PM
Winter Meetings begin tomorrow.

Expect some Red Sox signings this week.

Otherwise, if they let Martinez and others go elsewhere (at reasonable rates) and don't do much, then honestly I'd keep my expectations REAL LOW for next season.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 12, 2017, 07:13:01 PM
Red Sox to (FINALLY) meet with JD Martinez and his reps. tonight.

Really hope they sign him. Something like 6/160M, or 7/180M. Sounds about right.

I doubt he's actually getting 200M.

My dream is that they somehow sign JD Martinez AND acquire Marcell Ozuna in a trade (w/JBJ either getting traded in the deal, or being traded elsewhere for an upgrade somewhere else).

That's two big bats right there (one fairly cheap in Ozuna), and would sort of put us at least close to the Yankees. Of course also praying for improvement from Betts, Hanley, etc. this upcoming season.

BUT if they just sign JD Martinez and then add a reliever/SP to help with pitching, I'd be fine with that too. Just need to hope Betts and Hanley can hit more HR next season (and Porcello, others besides Sale/Pomeranz pitch better in the rotation).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Bobshot on December 17, 2017, 12:39:54 PM
Stanton was never in the cards. He was going to the Yankees, per Jeter. Sure, they made some end runs using the Giants and Cardinals. Meetings, etc while Stanton was saying Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, Cubs.

Stanton never really rejected the Cardinals and Giants. All of a sudden, Dee Gordon was traded to Seattle, and the next day Stanton went to the Yankees for Castro and a couple of throw-ins. Just like that. Gordon and Castro's salaries balance, saving Jeter nothing, plus he threw in another $30 mil to the Yankees to keep them under the cap. He wound up paying a third of Stanton's salary in NY for the next 5 years. Sweetheart deal.

Hard to see that wasn't the plan at the start. They just needed to make it less obvious.

So now the attention shifts to JDM. Boras is making the Red Sox sweat a bit. JDM says he wants to play the OF, not DH. The big headline in all those NY based sports outlets. The Boston Herald, largely negative on the Red Sox, NY style, since Red Sox owner Henry owns their competition, the Globe. BTW, is that a conflict of interest?

What's missing here is Boras and JDM know darn well they can squeeze more years out of the Red Sox than the Giants or DBacks because of the DH. And he can get plenty of OF play platooning against LHP for Benintendi or JBJ. Lots of versatility in that OF.

You can bet Boras will make that argument to squeeze max years and dollars out of the Red Sox. Which is what he is all about.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 17, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
Stanton was never in the cards. He was going to the Yankees, per Jeter. Sure, they made some end runs using the Giants and Cardinals. Meetings, etc while Stanton was saying Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, Cubs.

Stanton never really rejected the Cardinals and Giants. All of a sudden, Dee Gordon was traded to Seattle, and the next day Stanton went to the Yankees for Castro and a couple of throw-ins. Just like that. Gordon and Castro's salaries balance, saving Jeter nothing, plus he threw in another $30 mil to the Yankees to keep them under the cap. He wound up paying a third of Stanton's salary in NY for the next 5 years. Sweetheart deal.

Hard to see that wasn't the plan at the start. They just needed to make it less obvious.

So now the attention shifts to JDM. Boras is making the Red Sox sweat a bit. JDM says he wants to play the OF, not DH. The big headline in all those NY based sports outlets. The Boston Herald, largely negative on the Red Sox, NY style, since Red Sox owner Henry owns their competition, the Globe. BTW, is that a conflict of interest?

What's missing here is Boras and JDM know darn well they can squeeze more years out of the Red Sox than the Giants or DBacks because of the DH. And he can get plenty of OF play platooning against LHP for Benintendi or JBJ. Lots of versatility in that OF.

You can bet Boras will make that argument to squeeze max years and dollars out of the Red Sox. Which is what he is all about.
The idea that Jeter was just trying to find a way to send Stanton to his old team is a huge stretch.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 18, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
Mitch Moreland back to Boston. 2 years/13M.

Honestly, I'm fine with this. Solid player, good defense, hopefully he can replicate with 20-ish HR and a batting average above .260 (which it was BEFORE he got injured). Good security as well since you can't expect Hanley to play everyday, especially at 1B regularly.

Hosmer would have cost 25M/Year+ for 6 years probably, and while Hosmer is a better hitter, he's no power hitter and his defense is worse than Moreland (who is now getting 6.5M/Year).

That said, now the Red Sox need to go ALL-IN on JD Martinez. He doesn't seem to have many suitors it seems besides Boston, so that should work to our advantage a bit.

Have Hanley/Moreland platoon 1B, and JD can play DH and be 4th OF. That way, Hanley's option also won't vest so we will clear about 22M off the books next winter as well. Could be vital when looking at the star-studded class next winter as well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Bobshot on December 27, 2017, 10:25:06 PM
The Yankees led the league in HRs, and still finished well behind the Red Sox, who were last in HRs and without David Price as a starter for the whole season.  The Yankees didn't close until the final week or two, when they played almost all their games at home and the Red Sox were coasting for the playoffs (which didn't help them a bit--and probably got Farrell fired).

So what do the Yankees do? They go out and add more HRs, losing their 2nd baseman! This gets applauded by the Yankee-loving media, which are always wrong anyways. The Yankees didn't need more HRs. What they needed was more starting pitching. Make that better starting pitching. Stanton is not a difference maker in terms of the standings.

Fact is the Yankees don't have the starting pitching to win a World Series. And the Red Sox do, provided Price returns to form and they start hitting again after a cold season.
 
Adding JDM to finally replace Ortiz (!)will make them stronger, but adding Price to the starting rotation again will be the difference maker.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on January 01, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
-Crickets-
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on January 01, 2018, 01:35:40 PM
-Crickets-

I don’t want Martinez! Let’s cut the payroll this year and sure up our bullpen.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on January 01, 2018, 01:40:07 PM
-Crickets-

I don’t want Martinez! Let’s cut the payroll this year and sure up our bullpen.

You realize that even if we make absolutely zero signings going into next season, we're STILL paying a luxury tax.

And if you're going to cut payroll by just trading away a bunch of guys, then why not just start a rebuild while we're at it. And I highly doubt you can just dump a guy like Hanley, or Porcello to another team w/o eating up a lot of cash (which makes no sense since you still aren't cutting payroll then if you're sending cash back as well).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on January 02, 2018, 08:26:30 PM
According to reports, Red Sox have made a 5 year offer to JD Martinez.

But it's unknown what the $$$ value is and whether it's just 5 years straight up, 4 years + option, or 5 years + 6th year option.

I would like adding JDM to something like 5 years, 120-125M.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: nickagneta on January 02, 2018, 08:35:16 PM
If the Sox could sign JD Martinez then trade Bogarts and Benitendi to Baltimore for a extended Manny Machado....I would be good with that
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Bobshot on January 21, 2018, 04:45:37 PM
If the Sox could sign JD Martinez then trade Bogarts and Benitendi to Baltimore for a extended Manny Machado....I would be good with that

Not without going way over the cap. They are now suffering for their sins of bad signings the past few years. Panda, Craig et al. Signing Price instead of Lester cost them $10M per season. Bad business, Mr Henry.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on February 11, 2018, 08:05:30 PM
Well, it's still crickets for the most part on Boston's end.

Yu Darvish signed yesterday with the Cubs for 6/126M, with incentives that could push it to 6/150M total (but it's very unlikely he reaches those incentives), and the deal comes with an opt-out in 2 years that Darvish could utilize.

Most projections had him getting like 6/160M, or even more, so that should show you how this market is for most FA's.

And apparently, JD Martinez is "fed up" that the highest bidder (Red Sox) are being "inflexible" and not offering more even though it seems NO ONE else is bidding more than 100M for him (whereas the Sox reportedly have offered him somewhere from 5 years, 110-125M)...  >:(

I'm with Dombrowski here. Don't cave in, you're bidding against no one. Keep the offer on the table.

Or in fact, give him an ultimatum and tell him that every week he refuses, drop the offer by $5M and keep it going. If he still refuses and decides to go elsewhere, so be it, I don't care anymore.

I still would love to sign JDM, but I'm starting to sour on him a bit as well.

Sox are also looking at LoMo or bringing back Nunez if they miss out on JDM (signing either to a modest rate the next 2-3 years at 10-12M/Year), and I think that's a solid plan.

It's a slow market, but hopefully things start to pick up even more this week with Darvish now signed.

I am pretty glad that owners now seem to be tired of Scott Boras' act and looks like Boras is going to be frustrated after this. (Doubt Arrieta, JDM, etc. are getting the 200M deals he said they "deserved"  :P)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: jambr380 on February 11, 2018, 08:22:59 PM
Yeah, I'm all set with JDM at this point. How could he possibly be frustrated with the team that is already offering him [by far] the best deal?? That is asinine and is showing why he is certainly not a personality I want in our clubhouse. He has bad FA signing written all over him so if we instead need to make a deal using one or two of our young guys, then I would rather that route.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on February 11, 2018, 08:38:34 PM
Yeah, I'm all set with JDM at this point. How could he possibly be frustrated with the team that is already offering him [by far] the best deal?? That is asinine and is showing why he is certainly not a personality I want in our clubhouse. He has bad FA signing written all over him so if we instead need to make a deal using one or two of our young guys, then I would rather that route.

Exactly. TP.

Like if he signs with us. Great! If not, then Great too!

But honestly, I think if Boras wasn't his agent, then he would have signed by now. Boras is holding back a lot of his players/clients, and it's hurting the market too. Hell, Hosmer has 140M+ offers from two teams, but hasn't signed yet, which is surprising since honestly, he should probably feel lucky to even be getting those offers when JDM > Hosmer. But I guess Boras thinks he's a 200M player...  ::) ::) ::)

That said, I think the Sox will soon need to choose a direction and stick with it. Like, if Spring Training arrives and JDM still hasn't signed while you see other names getting signed, then MOVE ON. And that also hurts JDM, because if rumors are true that no one else is offering him a deal of 100M+, then frankly, the Red Sox hold most of the cards here, and JDM could actually lose a lot of money (which isn't wise for him).

But I agree, if JDM himself explicitly said he's "fed up", then that's a red flag to me. Makes me sour on him as well. I want to hope that maybe that's something one of his reps said or even Boras leaked, or something and not JDM, but idk...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: jambr380 on February 11, 2018, 09:00:41 PM
Yeah, I'm all set with JDM at this point. How could he possibly be frustrated with the team that is already offering him [by far] the best deal?? That is asinine and is showing why he is certainly not a personality I want in our clubhouse. He has bad FA signing written all over him so if we instead need to make a deal using one or two of our young guys, then I would rather that route.

Exactly. TP.

Like if he signs with us. Great! If not, then Great too!

But honestly, I think if Boras wasn't his agent, then he would have signed by now. Boras is holding back a lot of his players/clients, and it's hurting the market too. Hell, Hosmer has 140M+ offers from two teams, but hasn't signed yet, which is surprising since honestly, he should probably feel lucky to even be getting those offers when JDM > Hosmer. But I guess Boras thinks he's a 200M player...  ::) ::) ::)

That said, I think the Sox will soon need to choose a direction and stick with it. Like, if Spring Training arrives and JDM still hasn't signed while you see other names getting signed, then MOVE ON. And that also hurts JDM, because if rumors are true that no one else is offering him a deal of 100M+, then frankly, the Red Sox hold most of the cards here, and JDM could actually lose a lot of money (which isn't wise for him).

But I agree, if JDM himself explicitly said he's "fed up", then that's a red flag to me. Makes me sour on him as well. I want to hope that maybe that's something one of his reps said or even Boras leaked, or something and not JDM, but idk...

TP back to you for keeping CB updated on recent Sox news. Reportedly these frustrations are coming from JD himself.

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As first reported by Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports, Martinez has told people in Miami that he is willing to “hold out” into spring training until he receives a fair offer for his services. Martinez reportedly received a five-year, $125 million from Boston.

Along with this, Martinez “is telling people that he is fed up with the Red Sox’s inflexibility and would rather sign with another club,” according to Rosenthal’s sources.

But I suppose it could be something that is being leaked. Still, if another team isn't interested in going higher and the Red Sox have the best offer, then he just needs to take the deal and not have the first impression of Boston and its fans be that Martinez is a pouty, self-entitled jerk.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on February 11, 2018, 09:13:21 PM
Yeah, I'm all set with JDM at this point. How could he possibly be frustrated with the team that is already offering him [by far] the best deal?? That is asinine and is showing why he is certainly not a personality I want in our clubhouse. He has bad FA signing written all over him so if we instead need to make a deal using one or two of our young guys, then I would rather that route.

Exactly. TP.

Like if he signs with us. Great! If not, then Great too!

But honestly, I think if Boras wasn't his agent, then he would have signed by now. Boras is holding back a lot of his players/clients, and it's hurting the market too. Hell, Hosmer has 140M+ offers from two teams, but hasn't signed yet, which is surprising since honestly, he should probably feel lucky to even be getting those offers when JDM > Hosmer. But I guess Boras thinks he's a 200M player...  ::) ::) ::)

That said, I think the Sox will soon need to choose a direction and stick with it. Like, if Spring Training arrives and JDM still hasn't signed while you see other names getting signed, then MOVE ON. And that also hurts JDM, because if rumors are true that no one else is offering him a deal of 100M+, then frankly, the Red Sox hold most of the cards here, and JDM could actually lose a lot of money (which isn't wise for him).

But I agree, if JDM himself explicitly said he's "fed up", then that's a red flag to me. Makes me sour on him as well. I want to hope that maybe that's something one of his reps said or even Boras leaked, or something and not JDM, but idk...

TP back to you for keeping CB updated on recent Sox news. Reportedly these frustrations are coming from JD himself.

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As first reported by Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports, Martinez has told people in Miami that he is willing to “hold out” into spring training until he receives a fair offer for his services. Martinez reportedly received a five-year, $125 million from Boston.

Along with this, Martinez “is telling people that he is fed up with the Red Sox’s inflexibility and would rather sign with another club,” according to Rosenthal’s sources.

But I suppose it could be something that is being leaked. Still, if another team isn't interested in going higher and the Red Sox have the best offer, then he just needs to take the deal and not have the first impression of Boston and its fans be that Martinez is a pouty, self-entitled jerk.

I don't doubt the report by Ken Rosenthal, but Jon Heyman is actually a Boras puppet.

The guy reported that AZ has made an offer of 100M+ for JDM, which was quickly refuted by a ton of others and was believed to have been leaked by Boras himself to try and drive up the Red Sox price. Heyman has a history of helping out Boras in this sense.

Even Josh Donaldson ripped him apart a few days ago after Heyman apparently made the claim he's seeking a "massive payday" and the idea of changing teams or something like that.

If Rosenthal says it was from JDM himself, I'd believe it. If it's being echoed from what Heyman says, then I'd lean towards doubting it lol.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: jambr380 on February 19, 2018, 05:26:47 PM
It's done:

https://twitter.com/pedrogomezESPN/status/965711062212358144 (https://twitter.com/pedrogomezESPN/status/965711062212358144)

Details have yet to be announced, but Sox and Martinez were finally able to agree to terms.

EDIT: Deal is for 5 years / $110M is front loaded and includes an opt-out after year 2. Pretty big signing if you are a Sox fan - and less than the $125M that was reportedly offered earlier on (not true, I guess). Hopefully he can perform better than pretty much all of our other recent FA signings (shouldn't be too difficult).

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/965714796288073729 (https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/965714796288073729)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: esel1000 on February 19, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
It's done:

https://twitter.com/pedrogomezESPN/status/965711062212358144 (https://twitter.com/pedrogomezESPN/status/965711062212358144)

Details have yet to be announced, but Sox and Martinez were finally able to agree to terms.

EDIT: Deal is for 5 years / $110M is front loaded and includes an opt-out after year 2. Pretty big signing if you are a Sox fan - and less than the $125M that was reportedly offered earlier on (not true, I guess). Hopefully he can perform better than pretty much all of our other recent FA signings (shouldn't be too difficult).

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/965714796288073729 (https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/965714796288073729)

Steal. DD played this perfectly.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on February 19, 2018, 05:51:54 PM
It's done:

https://twitter.com/pedrogomezESPN/status/965711062212358144 (https://twitter.com/pedrogomezESPN/status/965711062212358144)

Details have yet to be announced, but Sox and Martinez were finally able to agree to terms.

EDIT: Deal is for 5 years / $110M is front loaded and includes an opt-out after year 2. Pretty big signing if you are a Sox fan - and less than the $125M that was reportedly offered earlier on (not true, I guess). Hopefully he can perform better than pretty much all of our other recent FA signings (shouldn't be too difficult).

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/965714796288073729 (https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/965714796288073729)

Steal. DD played this perfectly.

He absolutely did! As frustrating as the wait was, at the end it was all worth it.

LOL Boras... thought JDM could get 7/210M and yet two months later he signs for 100M less.

Anyways, glad we got him! He's not better than Stanton BUT is no scrub either, and has been one of the best hitters in baseball the last 3-4 years. At 5/110M in today's MLB, that could be a steal if he performs.  ;D

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Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Donoghus on February 19, 2018, 05:58:32 PM
Thank you, collusion.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
So if things go well it’s a 2 year, $50 million deal. That’s fair enough.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: jambr380 on February 19, 2018, 06:03:30 PM
So if things go well it’s a 2 year, $50 million deal. That’s fair enough.

I just saw that. If things go well, the Sox only have him for two years, but then what? Are we going to have to sign him for $30M/yr? At that point I suppose he will be older and maybe other teams won't be so eager to sign him to a long-term deal, but I would prefer the Sox have a little more control over their big FA signing.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Donoghus on February 19, 2018, 06:07:16 PM
So if things go well it’s a 2 year, $50 million deal. That’s fair enough.

I just saw that. If things go well, the Sox only have him for two years, but then what? Are we going to have to sign him for $30M/yr? At that point I suppose he will be older and maybe other teams won't be so eager to sign him to a long-term deal, but I would prefer the Sox have a little more control over their big FA signing.

I don't think anyone will be offering him $30M/year in 2020.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on February 19, 2018, 06:07:21 PM
I'm not sure the Red Sox are interested in him past 2 years. This is a very good deal for the Sox.

Going forward, I hope they concentrate all of their energy on bringing our pitching back to life. They need to get Price and Porcello back into top form, and they need to manage Sale's workload. No strikeout records needed this year. Sale, Price, and Porcello are good enough if they're performing to their abilities.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
Thank you, collusion.
Exactly. When the players union ends up winning their lawsuit against the owners, JD should be getting a bunch more money.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 19, 2018, 07:49:42 PM
So if things go well it’s a 2 year, $50 million deal. That’s fair enough.

But therein is the rub. If he does great after two years, then the Sox either pay a lot more of lose him. And if he absolutely is miserable or mediocre, then they are stuck with him for another two years.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Fan from VT on February 19, 2018, 07:51:08 PM
Thank you, collusion.
Exactly. When the players union ends up winning their lawsuit against the owners, JD should be getting a bunch more money.

It's interesting...

I'm generally pretty suspicious of collusion and just assume the owners are shady, but I have to wonder if this is true. It might just be a tipping point of front offices using analytics combined with the structure of MLBs current CBA.

In general, the MLBPA struck a relatively favorable deal for themselves in terms of collecting a large portion of money and funneling it to the veterans, who were represented by the union, at the expense of up and comers. As such, you get players entering their first truly unrestricted free agency bonanza at age 28-32. Subsequently, we've just seen boatloads of 6 year 150+million dollar contracts look terrible within 0-2 years! Just think about the Sox with Adrian (trade, I know, but...), Carl Crawford, Hanley, Panda, etc. And I think with more saavy fans and front office analytics we're just past the point you can justify paying a legend like Albert Pujols 27, 28, and 29 million the next 3 years at age 38-40. Just 10-15 years ago, you might look at it and say "it's Pujols, he's a legend, still putting up 23 homers and 101 RBI!" and be satisfied. But for 26 million these days, it's safe to say you want more that Minus 1.8 WAR.


So, I do wonder if it's just gotten to the point that front offices are sick of bidding against themselves for the the pleasure of paying the most money for the worst years of someone's career.

I think the agents and younger players may drive the change, but in order to change, they need to re-do it so that you hit fully unrestricted free agency at 25-27; teams would pay a lot for a player's age 26-32 seasons.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2018, 07:53:10 PM
So if things go well it’s a 2 year, $50 million deal. That’s fair enough.

But therein is the rub. If he does great after two years, then the Sox either pay a lot more of lose him. And if he absolutely is miserable or mediocre, then they are stuck with him for another two years.

Yeah, but is that bad, considering the alternatives?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on February 19, 2018, 08:49:24 PM
So our lineup could look something like:

1. Betts
2. Benintendi
3. Nunez/Pedroia
4. JDM
5. Hanley/Moreland
6. Bogaerts
7. Devers
8. Vazquez
9. JBJ

I don't know about you guys, but that lineup has me feeling real good  ;D

Certainly looks so much better with JDM in there. I think a lot of guys last year underwhelmed as well (including Betts, Hanley), so hopefully they can have a better year, which would also be nice. We still won 93 games and won AL East last year with a ton of guys underwhelming and with some big injuries (Price, Wright, ERod, Pedroia, Thornburg, Carson Smith, etc.) and having a hole at 3B for a while (Sandoval - yuck)

Even if JDM takes a step back (I don't expect he hits 45 HR again), if he can provide us about 35 HR/100 RBI (or around that) while hitting around .280+, I'll be very happy.

He's our primary DH so he can focus even more on hitting.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: RLewis35 on February 19, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
I think the absence of Big Papi and any kind of suitable replacement for him was understated.  Big Papi was so good and so feared that everyone before him got better pitches to hit and he still hit despite never seeing good pitches.  Betts bogaerts beni werent ready for those worse pitches without protection last year and hanleys injury didn't help. 

Even moreso than his own offense, JD is going to bring that layer of protection again, letting our young guys see better pitches as they continue to develop.  This is why even if JD goes .280 30 100 next year but the young guys all hit better, a lot of that could be due to JD presence in the lineup.

Also not playing the field may merely allow JD to stay healthier than he has in years which could very likely allow him to flirt with 40HR again even if he doesn't reproduce last year.

2/50 is a steal IMO.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on February 19, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
So our lineup could look something like:

1. Betts
2. Benintendi
3. Nunez/Pedroia
4. JDM
5. Hanley/Moreland
6. Bogaerts
7. Devers
8. Vazquez
9. JBJ

I don't know about you guys, but that lineup has me feeling real good  ;D

Certainly looks so much better with JDM in there. I think a lot of guys last year underwhelmed as well (including Betts, Hanley), so hopefully they can have a better year, which would also be nice. We still won 93 games and won AL East last year with a ton of guys underwhelming and with some big injuries (Price, Wright, ERod, Pedroia, Thornburg, Carson Smith, etc.) and having a hole at 3B for a while (Sandoval - yuck)

Even if JDM takes a step back (I don't expect he hits 45 HR again), if he can provide us about 35 HR/100 RBI (or around that) while hitting around .280+, I'll be very happy.

He's our primary DH so he can focus even more on hitting.

I think Pedroia is a 6-7 hitter at this point. The Red Sox need to figure out how to keep him upright for clutch postseason at bats. Ideally, we'd swap Devers and Pedroia in your above lineup. I also could see JDM and Hanley in the 3/4 spot. They need a big year out of both for this season to work out.

In a vacuum, the Red Sox are a really good team on paper. In the stacked AL, I think they're still behind HOU and NYY, and maybe even CLE.

Cora has a unique opportunity to motivate a group of young, talented players coming back from off years. I think its reasonable that they will respect his more relaxed demeanor vs. Farrell's approach.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 19, 2018, 10:28:11 PM
So if things go well it’s a 2 year, $50 million deal. That’s fair enough.

But therein is the rub. If he does great after two years, then the Sox either pay a lot more of lose him. And if he absolutely is miserable or mediocre, then they are stuck with him for another two years.

Yeah, but is that bad, considering the alternatives?
Yep, I agree. But I have boundless energy to hope for more.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 Red Sox Offseason & Free Agency Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on February 20, 2018, 11:28:43 AM
If Martinez stays healthy and produces in the neighborhood of what he's done the past couple of years, that will be awesome for this offense. And as RLewis25 stated above, his presence should have a ripple effect that will benefit those around him in the lineup.

I'm also hoping that a new manager with a new hitting coach brings a better overall approach to offense—that is, fewer ground balls, more line drives and homers.

I'm looking forward to a full year of Devers, and I'm hopeful that Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley can take a big step forward offensively.

And, as always, hopefully Hanley stays healthy.