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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #270 on: February 01, 2018, 01:38:05 PM »

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This thread is a prime example of why the Eye Test can be more important then stats.

The stats tell you that IT is a better offensive player then Kyrie last year.  The eyes test removes any debate.

The stats tell you Rozier is the worst rotational player in the NBA? That never passed the eye test and its pretty clearly wrong.

Not sure which stats OP is looking at to come up with "worst rotational player," but Rozier is #64 in the league in VORP (value over replacement player) and #78 in BPM (box plus minus)... which is pretty [dang] good for a bench player in a 30 team league. It essentially means that Terry could be a starter on a lot of teams, including the Celtics, because he's better than Jaylen Brown in both of those rankings.

Granted, this is an old thread and numbers may have changed... but as far as I remember, the main 7 Celtics players have been crushing advanced analytics all year long.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #271 on: February 01, 2018, 02:07:39 PM »

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Rozier unfortunately will be a gonner in a season or two

Some team is going to give him the keys to start...and throw good money at him. Celtics wont be able to afford


Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #272 on: February 01, 2018, 02:08:57 PM »

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My guess is he gets the start vs Atlanta also. Think they sit Kyrie until the Toronto game

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #273 on: February 01, 2018, 02:58:59 PM »

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I love this thread and Rozier....
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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #274 on: February 01, 2018, 03:41:56 PM »

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I just hope the Celtics take note of how successful they were moving the ball around (against the admittedly atrocious Knicks defense) and continue to do it even after Kyrie gets back.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #275 on: February 01, 2018, 03:45:52 PM »

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Is it just me or did the ball move its best when there wasn't a PG on the floor? I think it was the Horford-Brown- Nader-Ojeleye and I think Tatum grouping where the ball just seemed to move side to side so well with very little dribbling. Thought a couple of those 5 man groups without a PG really played terrific.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #276 on: February 01, 2018, 04:05:38 PM »

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If so, what do you see in this kid?

If you need rebounds out of your backup PG, I guess he’s okay. Otherwise, he’s got to be one of the worst rotation players in the NBA.

Is this opinion still held by anyone?

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« Reply #277 on: February 01, 2018, 04:09:09 PM »

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If so, what do you see in this kid?

If you need rebounds out of your backup PG, I guess he’s okay. Otherwise, he’s got to be one of the worst rotation players in the NBA.

Is this opinion still held by anyone?

And anyone left who wants to trade him for J. J. Barea?  Wasn't there a thread on that too?

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #278 on: February 01, 2018, 04:19:23 PM »

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My favorite Rozier play was the Walt Frazier type steal of the inbounds pass in the backcourt against the Knicks.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #279 on: February 01, 2018, 04:53:27 PM »

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Granted, this is an old thread and numbers may have changed... but as far as I remember, the main 7 Celtics players have been crushing advanced analytics all year long.

Kyrie, Al, and Tatum have been pretty elite. But a case could potentially be made that Rozier has been our 4th best player. Per Basketball Reference:

Per 100 possessions
   ortg   drtg
KI   117   104
AH   117   101
JT   115   102
TR   106   101
JB   103   102
MM   104   102
DT   112   98

Theis has a smaller sample size. He has plays less minutes than the others and is most likely being used in specific situations where he excels due to matchups. However, I included him as the 7th because early returns look really good. Plus it's hard to quantify Marcus Smart with stats, so left him off.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #280 on: February 01, 2018, 04:55:01 PM »

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He was doing well.  I hope he sticks with the decisive play.  If he can hit open 3's and be aggressive he can really help.  He and Smart both need to play the right way to fit together or sometimes the lack of spacing from both of them was really bogging the team down.  Hopeful it will keep getting better.
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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #281 on: February 01, 2018, 04:56:41 PM »

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Is it just me or did the ball move its best when there wasn't a PG on the floor? I think it was the Horford-Brown- Nader-Ojeleye and I think Tatum grouping where the ball just seemed to move side to side so well with very little dribbling. Thought a couple of those 5 man groups without a PG really played terrific.

I think they had really good ball movement yes, because I think in part there was such a concerted effort to move the ball over how they had played for that stretch.  Morris actually did pretty well at it too, even running PG for a stretch.  He had a couple turnovers in there but overall it was good to see really focusing on ball movement.

In part it's also tied to guys being aggressive and taking shots or attacking when they can.  A few players like Rozier were a lot better than they were in the down stretch.  Tatum was really good in the second half.

Also in part I have to say I thought the Knicks were also really bad.
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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #282 on: February 01, 2018, 05:27:32 PM »

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Trade him for Evans

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #283 on: February 01, 2018, 07:06:49 PM »

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I need to see more before I get totally aboard the Rozier train. Every time he turns the corner he falls back to earth with a thump.


Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #284 on: February 02, 2018, 10:01:28 AM »

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I need to see more before I get totally aboard the Rozier train. Every time he turns the corner he falls back to earth with a thump.

I'm not sure what you mean, but ok.

It is funny that the haters get awfully quiet after a good game or series of good games. This is why I chose not to hate on Celtics players- I don't want to look foolish when the team is doing well.

Call me a homer- I'd rather not have egg on my face or hide when the Celtics play well.

There was a whole lot of negative talk about Kyrie, Terry, and Marcus. Now? crickets.