A Kyrie trade everyone can get behind

[Donoghus]

Irving, Semi, Yabusele

 For Fox, Cauley Stein, Giles, Bagley

 Keep in mind that the Kings would likely be horrible after gutting there team this netting us a guaranteed top 5 pick in addition to the haul of talent.

 Honestly guys if u don't make this trade your probably a Homer.

Sorry sir but this idea is on par with your grammar.

 Yeah your not allowed to do that sparky. And if it was Luka Doncic instead of Bagley you'd be drooling over this proposal.

 Bagley will still be a monster tho

Probably because Luka Doncic is a lot better than Bagley. What is your point?

If it was Anthony Davis we were trading for it wouldn't be bad. If we were getting Giannis it wouldn't be bad. But in this scenario, we're getting a bunch of guys who might turn into good starters, in return for a top-3 PG in the NBA. Simply terrible

 The point is you guys are really low on Bagley. He's awesome. And if this trade had been done before the draft it's a no brainier because we would have taken Luka.

 That said Bagley is an all world talent and you will see that soon enough.

Who is a rookie. 

Kyrie is an all world talent veteran on a team that's trying to win a title now.

You're too enamored with the allure of potential to see what's actually in front of your eyes in the now.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I don't like this trade, but I do like KGLL, the current Kyrie is outstandingly overrated, and I hold firm that we won't win a title in the GSW era until Tatum becomes the clear #1.

Kyrie is a great shot creator for himself, but it takes him more time and effort to score in the clutch than Tatum promises to have.  I believe we take a major leap as soon as Kyrie focuses more on creating for others - which he absolutely can excel at and appears to have done the past 2-3 games - and impact the game in a broader way. He has a very high bball IQ that I hope he uses to benefit the team come playoffs this year.   

[wdleehi]

Trade makes no sense for the extremely deep Celtics looking to win now. 


The next trades are about the following things.

Combining good players to get a single superstar

or

Getting under the luxury tax to allow more flexibility in future years.

or

Trading a good role player that lacks the time for the role to get a future draft pick to restock future rosters around the stars.

[KG Living Legend]

I don't like this trade, but I do like KGLL, the current Kyrie is outstandingly overrated, and I hold firm that we won't win a title in the GSW era until Tatum becomes the clear #1.

Kyrie is a great shot creator for himself, but it takes him more time and effort to score in the clutch than Tatum promises to have.  I believe we take a major leap as soon as Kyrie focuses more on creating for others - which he absolutely can excel at and appears to have done the past 2-3 games - and impact the game in a broader way. He has a very high bball IQ that I hope he uses to benefit the team come playoffs this year.   

 TP Broski. Appreciated.

[KG Living Legend]

Irving, Semi, Yabusele

 For Fox, Cauley Stein, Giles, Bagley

 Keep in mind that the Kings would likely be horrible after gutting there team this netting us a guaranteed top 5 pick in addition to the haul of talent.

 Honestly guys if u don't make this trade your probably a Homer.

Sorry sir but this idea is on par with your grammar.

 Yeah your not allowed to do that sparky. And if it was Luka Doncic instead of Bagley you'd be drooling over this proposal.

 Bagley will still be a monster tho

Probably because Luka Doncic is a lot better than Bagley. What is your point?

If it was Anthony Davis we were trading for it wouldn't be bad. If we were getting Giannis it wouldn't be bad. But in this scenario, we're getting a bunch of guys who might turn into good starters, in return for a top-3 PG in the NBA. Simply terrible

 The point is you guys are really low on Bagley. He's awesome. And if this trade had been done before the draft it's a no brainier because we would have taken Luka.

 That said Bagley is an all world talent and you will see that soon enough.

Who is a rookie. 

Kyrie is an all world talent veteran on a team that's trying to win a title now.

You're too enamored with the allure of potential to see what's actually in front of your eyes in the now.

 In your opinion. And Tatum was a rookie last year. If your great you don't have to wait.

 Have you guys considered what this would do to our defense? Fox is big, long, and probably the quickest and fastest guy in the league. Fox and brown in the backcourt would be devastating defensively.

Willie cauley-stein was the sixth pick in the draft he is currently averaging 17 points and eight rebounds a game he would fit in perfectly next to Horford he's a legit starting center in the NBA.

Bagley was the number 2 overall pick it was the consensus best player in college last year he's got some of the best Hands I've ever seen, he catches everything he's a scoring machine he's a 6-foot 10 pogo stick he's a future 20.10 rebound guy no question.

Harry gyles was also the best player in his high school class he's just now getting into forum he's also another potential top three Talent From Any Given draft.

 and the biggest thing nobody's mentioned is how much less money Fox will make over the next couple Seasons than Kyrie he's also going to be better than Irving by next year.
 
 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I can't wait until the first Kings-Celtics game.

Also, do you think the Warriors would be more afraid of Irving or Fox come playoff time?

[Birdman]

No way Kings do this cause Irving be gone in 2019 free agency

[GreenEnvy]

Irving, Semi, Yabusele

 For Fox, Cauley Stein, Giles, Bagley

 Keep in mind that the Kings would likely be horrible after gutting there team this netting us a guaranteed top 5 pick in addition to the haul of talent.

 Honestly guys if u don't make this trade your probably a Homer.

Sorry sir but this idea is on par with your grammar.

 Yeah your not allowed to do that sparky. And if it was Luka Doncic instead of Bagley you'd be drooling over this proposal.

 Bagley will still be a monster tho

Probably because Luka Doncic is a lot better than Bagley. What is your point?

If it was Anthony Davis we were trading for it wouldn't be bad. If we were getting Giannis it wouldn't be bad. But in this scenario, we're getting a bunch of guys who might turn into good starters, in return for a top-3 PG in the NBA. Simply terrible

 The point is you guys are really low on Bagley. He's awesome. And if this trade had been done before the draft it's a no brainier because we would have taken Luka.

 That said Bagley is an all world talent and you will see that soon enough.

Who is a rookie. 

Kyrie is an all world talent veteran on a team that's trying to win a title now.

You're too enamored with the allure of potential to see what's actually in front of your eyes in the now.

 In your opinion. And Tatum was a rookie last year. If your great you don't have to wait.

 Have you guys considered what this would do to our defense? Fox is big, long, and probably the quickest and fastest guy in the league. Fox and brown in the backcourt would be devastating defensively.

Willie cauley-stein was the sixth pick in the draft he is currently averaging 17 points and eight rebounds a game he would fit in perfectly next to Horford he's a legit starting center in the NBA.

Bagley was the number 2 overall pick it was the consensus best player in college last year he's got some of the best Hands I've ever seen, he catches everything he's a scoring machine he's a 6-foot 10 pogo stick he's a future 20.10 rebound guy no question.

Harry gyles was also the best player in his high school class he's just now getting into forum he's also another potential top three Talent From Any Given draft.

 and the biggest thing nobody's mentioned is how much less money Fox will make over the next couple Seasons than Kyrie he's also going to be better than Irving by next year.

Just stop. The trade makes ZERO sense for both teams. If you believe what you say about all the Kings players, why would SAC give them all up for an assured rental of Kyrie?

On the flip side, one of the biggest “knocks” on the C’s is they have too much talent and depth to keep everyone happy. So your solution is to trade our most prolific scorer... for more good players who Brad will not be able to give as much burn as they want.

If anything, Celtics should be consolidating assets for more top-tier talent. We will have 2-4 more first-rounders next June. We may have to replace Rozier and/or Morris with rookies. The move now is not to get younger.

Terrible proposal, let this thread die.

[KG Living Legend]

Irving, Semi, Yabusele

 For Fox, Cauley Stein, Giles, Bagley

 Keep in mind that the Kings would likely be horrible after gutting there team this netting us a guaranteed top 5 pick in addition to the haul of talent.

 Honestly guys if u don't make this trade your probably a Homer.

Sorry sir but this idea is on par with your grammar.

 Yeah your not allowed to do that sparky. And if it was Luka Doncic instead of Bagley you'd be drooling over this proposal.

 Bagley will still be a monster tho

Probably because Luka Doncic is a lot better than Bagley. What is your point?

If it was Anthony Davis we were trading for it wouldn't be bad. If we were getting Giannis it wouldn't be bad. But in this scenario, we're getting a bunch of guys who might turn into good starters, in return for a top-3 PG in the NBA. Simply terrible

 The point is you guys are really low on Bagley. He's awesome. And if this trade had been done before the draft it's a no brainier because we would have taken Luka.

 That said Bagley is an all world talent and you will see that soon enough.

Who is a rookie. 

Kyrie is an all world talent veteran on a team that's trying to win a title now.

You're too enamored with the allure of potential to see what's actually in front of your eyes in the now.

 In your opinion. And Tatum was a rookie last year. If your great you don't have to wait.

 Have you guys considered what this would do to our defense? Fox is big, long, and probably the quickest and fastest guy in the league. Fox and brown in the backcourt would be devastating defensively.

Willie cauley-stein was the sixth pick in the draft he is currently averaging 17 points and eight rebounds a game he would fit in perfectly next to Horford he's a legit starting center in the NBA.

Bagley was the number 2 overall pick it was the consensus best player in college last year he's got some of the best Hands I've ever seen, he catches everything he's a scoring machine he's a 6-foot 10 pogo stick he's a future 20.10 rebound guy no question.

Harry gyles was also the best player in his high school class he's just now getting into forum he's also another potential top three Talent From Any Given draft.

 and the biggest thing nobody's mentioned is how much less money Fox will make over the next couple Seasons than Kyrie he's also going to be better than Irving by next year.

Just stop. The trade makes ZERO sense for both teams. If you believe what you say about all the Kings players, why would SAC give them all up for an assured rental of Kyrie?

On the flip side, one of the biggest “knocks” on the C’s is they have too much talent and depth to keep everyone happy. So your solution is to trade our most prolific scorer... for more good players who Brad will not be able to give as much burn as they want.

If anything, Celtics should be consolidating assets for more top-tier talent. We will have 2-4 more first-rounders next June. We may have to replace Rozier and/or Morris with rookies. The move now is not to get younger.

Terrible proposal, let this thread die.

 Maybe you should give up being narrow minded. My goal out of this trade is to land Anthony Davis. Which would be much easier with the influx of potential game changing bigs.


 This is way more than we gave up for Kyrie. Do you understand that?

[Donoghus]

Irving, Semi, Yabusele

 For Fox, Cauley Stein, Giles, Bagley

 Keep in mind that the Kings would likely be horrible after gutting there team this netting us a guaranteed top 5 pick in addition to the haul of talent.

 Honestly guys if u don't make this trade your probably a Homer.

Sorry sir but this idea is on par with your grammar.

 Yeah your not allowed to do that sparky. And if it was Luka Doncic instead of Bagley you'd be drooling over this proposal.

 Bagley will still be a monster tho

Probably because Luka Doncic is a lot better than Bagley. What is your point?

If it was Anthony Davis we were trading for it wouldn't be bad. If we were getting Giannis it wouldn't be bad. But in this scenario, we're getting a bunch of guys who might turn into good starters, in return for a top-3 PG in the NBA. Simply terrible

 The point is you guys are really low on Bagley. He's awesome. And if this trade had been done before the draft it's a no brainier because we would have taken Luka.

 That said Bagley is an all world talent and you will see that soon enough.

Who is a rookie. 

Kyrie is an all world talent veteran on a team that's trying to win a title now.

You're too enamored with the allure of potential to see what's actually in front of your eyes in the now.

 In your opinion. And Tatum was a rookie last year. If your great you don't have to wait.

 Have you guys considered what this would do to our defense? Fox is big, long, and probably the quickest and fastest guy in the league. Fox and brown in the backcourt would be devastating defensively.

Willie cauley-stein was the sixth pick in the draft he is currently averaging 17 points and eight rebounds a game he would fit in perfectly next to Horford he's a legit starting center in the NBA.

Bagley was the number 2 overall pick it was the consensus best player in college last year he's got some of the best Hands I've ever seen, he catches everything he's a scoring machine he's a 6-foot 10 pogo stick he's a future 20.10 rebound guy no question.

Harry gyles was also the best player in his high school class he's just now getting into forum he's also another potential top three Talent From Any Given draft.

 and the biggest thing nobody's mentioned is how much less money Fox will make over the next couple Seasons than Kyrie he's also going to be better than Irving by next year.

Just stop. The trade makes ZERO sense for both teams. If you believe what you say about all the Kings players, why would SAC give them all up for an assured rental of Kyrie?

On the flip side, one of the biggest “knocks” on the C’s is they have too much talent and depth to keep everyone happy. So your solution is to trade our most prolific scorer... for more good players who Brad will not be able to give as much burn as they want.

If anything, Celtics should be consolidating assets for more top-tier talent. We will have 2-4 more first-rounders next June. We may have to replace Rozier and/or Morris with rookies. The move now is not to get younger.

Terrible proposal, let this thread die.

 Maybe you should give up being narrow minded. My goal out of this trade is to land Anthony Davis. Which would be much easier with the influx of potential game changing bigs.


 This is way more than we gave up for Kyrie. Do you understand that?

Do you have a goal of winning a title this year for the Celtics?

[GreenEnvy]

Irving, Semi, Yabusele

 For Fox, Cauley Stein, Giles, Bagley

 Keep in mind that the Kings would likely be horrible after gutting there team this netting us a guaranteed top 5 pick in addition to the haul of talent.

 Honestly guys if u don't make this trade your probably a Homer.

Sorry sir but this idea is on par with your grammar.

 Yeah your not allowed to do that sparky. And if it was Luka Doncic instead of Bagley you'd be drooling over this proposal.

 Bagley will still be a monster tho

Probably because Luka Doncic is a lot better than Bagley. What is your point?

If it was Anthony Davis we were trading for it wouldn't be bad. If we were getting Giannis it wouldn't be bad. But in this scenario, we're getting a bunch of guys who might turn into good starters, in return for a top-3 PG in the NBA. Simply terrible

 The point is you guys are really low on Bagley. He's awesome. And if this trade had been done before the draft it's a no brainier because we would have taken Luka.

 That said Bagley is an all world talent and you will see that soon enough.

Who is a rookie. 

Kyrie is an all world talent veteran on a team that's trying to win a title now.

You're too enamored with the allure of potential to see what's actually in front of your eyes in the now.

 In your opinion. And Tatum was a rookie last year. If your great you don't have to wait.

 Have you guys considered what this would do to our defense? Fox is big, long, and probably the quickest and fastest guy in the league. Fox and brown in the backcourt would be devastating defensively.

Willie cauley-stein was the sixth pick in the draft he is currently averaging 17 points and eight rebounds a game he would fit in perfectly next to Horford he's a legit starting center in the NBA.

Bagley was the number 2 overall pick it was the consensus best player in college last year he's got some of the best Hands I've ever seen, he catches everything he's a scoring machine he's a 6-foot 10 pogo stick he's a future 20.10 rebound guy no question.

Harry gyles was also the best player in his high school class he's just now getting into forum he's also another potential top three Talent From Any Given draft.

 and the biggest thing nobody's mentioned is how much less money Fox will make over the next couple Seasons than Kyrie he's also going to be better than Irving by next year.

Just stop. The trade makes ZERO sense for both teams. If you believe what you say about all the Kings players, why would SAC give them all up for an assured rental of Kyrie?

On the flip side, one of the biggest “knocks” on the C’s is they have too much talent and depth to keep everyone happy. So your solution is to trade our most prolific scorer... for more good players who Brad will not be able to give as much burn as they want.

If anything, Celtics should be consolidating assets for more top-tier talent. We will have 2-4 more first-rounders next June. We may have to replace Rozier and/or Morris with rookies. The move now is not to get younger.

Terrible proposal, let this thread die.

 Maybe you should give up being narrow minded. My goal out of this trade is to land Anthony Davis. Which would be much easier with the influx of potential game changing bigs.


 This is way more than we gave up for Kyrie. Do you understand that?

How is not pretending like a terrible trade (for both teams) is a stepping stone for a better player make me narrow-minded?

Chances are if we trade Kyrie for a bunch of kids, Davis may not even want to resign here (rumors had his interest with us around playing with Kyrie). So we take a chance by getting worse for maybe a chance at Davis? And if that doesn’t happen, then what?

You still haven’t explained why the Kings do this, as they are giving up several years of top draft picks who look like promising players for a half season of Kyrie before he bolts basically anywhere else.

No matter how you slice it, Danny is not trading Kyrie for lesser players. Danny trades up, not down.

So we should have traded IT for a bag of balls because we gave up nothing to get him? Don’t get the logic there.

Keep doubling-down on this proposal.

[KG Living Legend]

Irving, Semi, Yabusele

 For Fox, Cauley Stein, Giles, Bagley

 Keep in mind that the Kings would likely be horrible after gutting there team this netting us a guaranteed top 5 pick in addition to the haul of talent.

 Honestly guys if u don't make this trade your probably a Homer.

Sorry sir but this idea is on par with your grammar.

 Yeah your not allowed to do that sparky. And if it was Luka Doncic instead of Bagley you'd be drooling over this proposal.

 Bagley will still be a monster tho

Probably because Luka Doncic is a lot better than Bagley. What is your point?

If it was Anthony Davis we were trading for it wouldn't be bad. If we were getting Giannis it wouldn't be bad. But in this scenario, we're getting a bunch of guys who might turn into good starters, in return for a top-3 PG in the NBA. Simply terrible

 The point is you guys are really low on Bagley. He's awesome. And if this trade had been done before the draft it's a no brainier because we would have taken Luka.

 That said Bagley is an all world talent and you will see that soon enough.

Who is a rookie. 

Kyrie is an all world talent veteran on a team that's trying to win a title now.

You're too enamored with the allure of potential to see what's actually in front of your eyes in the now.

 In your opinion. And Tatum was a rookie last year. If your great you don't have to wait.

 Have you guys considered what this would do to our defense? Fox is big, long, and probably the quickest and fastest guy in the league. Fox and brown in the backcourt would be devastating defensively.

Willie cauley-stein was the sixth pick in the draft he is currently averaging 17 points and eight rebounds a game he would fit in perfectly next to Horford he's a legit starting center in the NBA.

Bagley was the number 2 overall pick it was the consensus best player in college last year he's got some of the best Hands I've ever seen, he catches everything he's a scoring machine he's a 6-foot 10 pogo stick he's a future 20.10 rebound guy no question.

Harry gyles was also the best player in his high school class he's just now getting into forum he's also another potential top three Talent From Any Given draft.

 and the biggest thing nobody's mentioned is how much less money Fox will make over the next couple Seasons than Kyrie he's also going to be better than Irving by next year.

Just stop. The trade makes ZERO sense for both teams. If you believe what you say about all the Kings players, why would SAC give them all up for an assured rental of Kyrie?

On the flip side, one of the biggest “knocks” on the C’s is they have too much talent and depth to keep everyone happy. So your solution is to trade our most prolific scorer... for more good players who Brad will not be able to give as much burn as they want.

If anything, Celtics should be consolidating assets for more top-tier talent. We will have 2-4 more first-rounders next June. We may have to replace Rozier and/or Morris with rookies. The move now is not to get younger.

Terrible proposal, let this thread die.

 Maybe you should give up being narrow minded. My goal out of this trade is to land Anthony Davis. Which would be much easier with the influx of potential game changing bigs.


 This is way more than we gave up for Kyrie. Do you understand that?

Do you have a goal of winning a title this year for the Celtics?

 Yes. Absolutely. I don't think it's happening without a major injury to Curry or Durant.

 I think they have it locked for the next two years Imho.
 After that it's ours for the taking for a long time.
.

 This is one of the greatest teams ever assembled.

[KG Living Legend]

Irving, Semi, Yabusele

 For Fox, Cauley Stein, Giles, Bagley

 Keep in mind that the Kings would likely be horrible after gutting there team this netting us a guaranteed top 5 pick in addition to the haul of talent.

 Honestly guys if u don't make this trade your probably a Homer.

Sorry sir but this idea is on par with your grammar.

 Yeah your not allowed to do that sparky. And if it was Luka Doncic instead of Bagley you'd be drooling over this proposal.

 Bagley will still be a monster tho

Probably because Luka Doncic is a lot better than Bagley. What is your point?

If it was Anthony Davis we were trading for it wouldn't be bad. If we were getting Giannis it wouldn't be bad. But in this scenario, we're getting a bunch of guys who might turn into good starters, in return for a top-3 PG in the NBA. Simply terrible

 The point is you guys are really low on Bagley. He's awesome. And if this trade had been done before the draft it's a no brainier because we would have taken Luka.

 That said Bagley is an all world talent and you will see that soon enough.

Who is a rookie. 

Kyrie is an all world talent veteran on a team that's trying to win a title now.

You're too enamored with the allure of potential to see what's actually in front of your eyes in the now.

 In your opinion. And Tatum was a rookie last year. If your great you don't have to wait.

 Have you guys considered what this would do to our defense? Fox is big, long, and probably the quickest and fastest guy in the league. Fox and brown in the backcourt would be devastating defensively.

Willie cauley-stein was the sixth pick in the draft he is currently averaging 17 points and eight rebounds a game he would fit in perfectly next to Horford he's a legit starting center in the NBA.

Bagley was the number 2 overall pick it was the consensus best player in college last year he's got some of the best Hands I've ever seen, he catches everything he's a scoring machine he's a 6-foot 10 pogo stick he's a future 20.10 rebound guy no question.

Harry gyles was also the best player in his high school class he's just now getting into forum he's also another potential top three Talent From Any Given draft.

 and the biggest thing nobody's mentioned is how much less money Fox will make over the next couple Seasons than Kyrie he's also going to be better than Irving by next year.

Just stop. The trade makes ZERO sense for both teams. If you believe what you say about all the Kings players, why would SAC give them all up for an assured rental of Kyrie?

On the flip side, one of the biggest “knocks” on the C’s is they have too much talent and depth to keep everyone happy. So your solution is to trade our most prolific scorer... for more good players who Brad will not be able to give as much burn as they want.

If anything, Celtics should be consolidating assets for more top-tier talent. We will have 2-4 more first-rounders next June. We may have to replace Rozier and/or Morris with rookies. The move now is not to get younger.

Terrible proposal, let this thread die.

 Maybe you should give up being narrow minded. My goal out of this trade is to land Anthony Davis. Which would be much easier with the influx of potential game changing bigs.


 This is way more than we gave up for Kyrie. Do you understand that?

How is not pretending like a terrible trade (for both teams) is a stepping stone for a better player make me narrow-minded?

Chances are if we trade Kyrie for a bunch of kids, Davis may not even want to resign here (rumors had his interest with us around playing with Kyrie). So we take a chance by getting worse for maybe a chance at Davis? And if that doesn’t happen, then what?

You still haven’t explained why the Kings do this, as they are giving up several years of top draft picks who look like promising players for a half season of Kyrie before he bolts basically anywhere else.

No matter how you slice it, Danny is not trading Kyrie for lesser players. Danny trades up, not down.

So we should have traded IT for a bag of balls because we gave up nothing to get him? Don’t get the logic there.

Keep doubling-down on this proposal.

 It's a terrible trade for the Kings. Correct. Because they are giving up more talent than they are getting back.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Its a terrible trade for the Celtics too. Would the Warriors trade Klay Thompson for that package? Would the Raptors make that trade for Lowry? Would the Rockets make that trade for Paul?

My answer: probably not, because they are all contending for the championship right now. I think Irving is better (or at least comparable) to all of those players at this stage in their career.

That's why it is a bad trade for the Cs.

[gouki88]

I’m amazed this thread is still alive. A soundly terrible trade for everyone involved. There is no debate